While I think most of us can agree that its not only kids 18 and under who are obnoxiously immature, it will definately be different to see how a more mature geared game will play out and what kind of community it will have. Its definately something we'll all have to look in to.
"God, please help us sinful children of Ivalice.."
You guys are kidding yourselves if you think nudity, excessive graphic violence, and profanity is going to bring in a more "mature" audience. You can bet your sixes and sevens that Age of Conan WILL be populated by the most obnoxious, disrespectful, cretinous sons of bitches you can imagine, all above the age of 18. This is a game for the Grand Theft Auto crowd, the PvP grief-monkeys, the sexually deprived jerks, and the kind of people who jack off to movies like Saw and Hostel. Moreover, if you think that parents who are too incompetent to keep their young kids from playing shoot 'em up gore-fests will be competent enough to keep them from playing something because of a hint of nudity then frankly, you're out of your Goddamn mind! Not only are you going to be stuck with the lowest common denominator of personal character, but you're going to get the freaking kids anyway! Yes, America has some fucked up, hypocritical values when it comes to sex and violence but don’t fool yourself into thinking it’s going to make a difference. Granted, I am still going to play this game (and likely enjoy it all the more for edgy setting) but I am sure as hell not going to play it for the community!
... Rape is illegal (much like killing people, which you do in the game a lot and should bother people more than a couple of breasts), breasts are not.. The game is not to promote illegal acts.. Adding penises is not similar to having breasts.. The male characters run around without a shirt, that's equal to female characters not having a shirt on.. As far as I've seen, there are no completely nude characters ingame, neither male nor female. ... The question isn't "why have breasts", but why are people so afraid of breasts that they shouldn't have it? As far as we've seen, it's not as if everybody runs around naked, we've seen one female raid boss who has a bare upper body, you would think that as the game is rated mature people are actually mature enough to handle such a thing. ...
Public nudity is illegal ... "breasts are not."
Why are they not the same, both are conciderd indecent in public areas. I'd take the fact the the subjegation of women as lesser humans and sex objects as the reason why Nude breast = ok, but not nude penises =/ ok. Personally i don't care if they have BOTH , but there still no reason for either.
No the question really is why have NUDE breasts. It is concerded indecent by many people so you have to have a reason to break a known taboo.
I think i know it Funcon is betting ok a lot of dips**t MALE buyign this game for this reason or impacting their disition too.
I played one game that stright up had nude harpy like mobs in it, i was very suprized at this but overall it was no big deal. Infact i only remembered it now and i doubt nudity in aoc will be a big deal.... But i concerder it quite cheap.
I also second Manveru's post ... because thats the reality of this choice.
I think not all people playing AoC will be that way but its gonna draw more young players with nudity then adults you can bet on that. See like many are agruing what does a mature person care if their are boobies? Most could not give a F. But the immature males sure as heck do.
Finally, its a gimic because its really not about the game its about attracting these immature players.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Ok, its not obvious that they are going by strict conan lore and being realistic? You think every woman in that era knew or had the money for clothing?
You guys are kidding yourselves if you think nudity, excessive graphic violence, and profanity is going to bring in a more "mature" audience. You can bet your sixes and sevens that Age of Conan WILL be populated by the most obnoxious, disrespectful, cretinous sons of bitches you can imagine, all above the age of 18. This is a game for the Grand Theft Auto crowd, the PvP grief-monkeys, the sexually deprived jerks, and the kind of people who jack off to movies like Saw and Hostel. Moreover, if you think that parents who are too incompetent to keep their young kids from playing shoot 'em up gore-fests will be competent enough to keep them from playing something because of a hint of nudity then frankly, you're out of your Goddamn mind! Not only are you going to be stuck with the lowest common denominator of personal character, but you're going to get the freaking kids anyway! Yes, America has some fucked up, hypocritical values when it comes to sex and violence but don’t fool yourself into thinking it’s going to make a difference. Granted, I am still going to play this game (and likely enjoy it all the more for edgy setting) but I am sure as hell not going to play it for the community!
Yea, I'd have to agree almost completely.
Actually the community, those that aren't part of the gout of players that are gushing from WoW like an open wound, is pretty damn awesome... and if the M rating means that even a % of the leetkiddie's moms won't let them use their credit card than thats still an improvement
Originally posted by tylerwick
Ok, its not obvious that they are going by strict conan lore and being realistic? Not strict enough IMO, but its better than the worst case (Conan the Destroyer) scenerio You think every woman in that era knew or had the money for clothing? Where there brothels in Conan lore? :P I r pro Bewb! If you are anti-bewb. Dont play
Seconded
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
I don't mind a little nudity for realism's sake. All I ask as a female gamer is equal candy for both genders. Which I know we won't get, but I've gotten used to it. That's why I have a very content husband and a subscription to Playgirl magazine. Still, a chest is a chest. And I like male chests just as much as you like female ones.
This game does look interestingly gritty and offbeat. That's what's interesting about it for me. Away with the cookie cutter. Let's color outside of the lines once in a while.
"We don't stop playing because we grow old. We grow old because we stop playing."
I don't mind a little nudity for realism's sake. All I ask as a female gamer is equal candy for both genders. Which I know we won't get, but I've gotten used to it. That's why I have a very content husband and a subscription to Playgirl magazine. Still, a chest is a chest. And I like male chests just as much as you like female ones. This game does look interestingly gritty and offbeat. That's what's interesting about it for me. Away with the cookie cutter. Let's color outside of the lines once in a while.
There is plently of naked manflesh for you... on top or bottom...
There's nothing wrong with boobies. Lots of people are surprised to learn that many municipalities do not prohibit toplessness. Where I live in Idaho, toplessness is not illegal.
But I think anything that will keep the kiddies away from this game is a good thing.
Too bad I'm taking a break from fantasy MMOs for a while. I'll be looking for something space-related or an FPS MMO.
- Phos
AAH! A troll fire! Quick, pour some Kool-Aid on it!!!
Its not like its real. Its just a cartoon basically. I don't mind game nudity. In fact I like it, as long as it is funny or goes along with the gameplay.
Here is the thing... Know that even though people are paying money every month for Sirus radio specifically for Howard Stern. His popularity is based on sex and nudity. Sirus' subscribers increased by 1400% the week he started on their service. These people are not under 18. So your probibally right. Were going to see people aged 18-25 who are the biggest offenders.
If you think sex dosn't sell, go ask the richest man in radio.
People seem to be forgetting that EBgames and Best Buy won't sell a Mature rated game to anyone under 18.
Yeah, you could get a fake I.D. or something and there will always be parents who buy whatever game their kids want, but the Mature rating will cut down on the number of kids playing.
They can apparently really get in trouble for selling a Mature rated game to someone under 18.
The main reason for any game to use a mature rating: When little Timm's momma wants to sue because she caught Timmy ogling bare breast, listening to foul language, and participating in realistically gory combat; she will be answered with "It is your job as a parent to watch what your child does. The game is clearly labeled to be of a mature nature and not intended for your little Timmy. Therefore, you have no case, ma'am. Perhaps you would like to continue the lawsuit anyway, and show yourself as an incompetant, neglectful parent?". Hence, we get the mature game we want and don't have to worry about having to water it down for children who shouldn't be playing it in the first place. Edit; There have been parental controls available to prevent access to the internet, specific programs, and such since the damn beginning of windows, just about. Parents need to learn who the leader of their house is and use them, so the rest of us can play our games in peace.
The thread got moved onto letting your children play AOC, but that's not what Salvatoris was saying. He was simply talking about playing the game in the same room as his kids. Posters got off on a tagent trying to villianise Salvatoris talking about nudity and his kids. That's why I told Zido 2-3 pages back that he obviously hadn't read the previous posts. No one ever suggested anything about letting their kids play, they were talking how the game wouldn't bring in a more "mature" player base because it's not a game that many parents will fieel comfortable playing with their kids in the same room.
agreeing with some others it wont "force" a mature player base but it will considerably reduce the amount of annoying immature kids that will want to play it... hopefully all of them stay playing wow
With the recent tightening of game ratings, and considering the mobs like the demon woman will probably have more than one spawn, the multiple boobs could put this game at an AO in the US... That will sucks, in which the Funcom will have to rid it of the full frontal or lower the amount of mobs with it, something to put it at M so normal stores carry it... and so my parents don't freak when I'm already getting nice and bloody, but it's with a pair of tits.
there will be less kids, but kids still play GTA. but i doubt there will be any 6 year olds like on wow and runescape, these makes up a large % of the noob population.
to be honest, i like the little kiddy noobs, they are funny. best part of runescape is all the noobs, they make me laugh. hopefully there will be enough noobs to satisfy my noobi-meter (copywighted!) in aoc
I could see it going either way. Of course it will help keep younger players from playing, however, are younger players usually the problem? Of course they hurt the Role-Playing aspect of the game, but they are not typically griefers.
If you think about it parents wont let little kids play the game because of the ingame nudity and the obvious mature content.
Therefor almost every person playing will be either mature teens or adults, kids will be forced out of playing the game by there parents.
This will for very first time in mmorpg's make the playerbase almost all mature older people.
No more little kids running around cursing and screaming and ruining game play for others.
I hope they put on the Box in very large letters "NUDITY" "18+" and "GORE" it will make any parent say hell no tot here stupid kids when they ask for it.
You seem to forget that-
1. There are a lot of bad parents who don't care or monitor what their children do.
2. There are a lot of bad/bored/stupid people who work at stores that will sell anything to kids w/o I.D.
3. Age /= maturity.
4. Many like me, I'm nearly 24, have zero interest in the "maturity" of this game because the "mature" content will most likely bring out the most immature thoughts and behaviors from players. Why? Anything and everything in an online game can and will be abused. There is always some @-hole. So why even put this kind of crap in the game to tempt the immature/idiotic among us?
5. D!ck and f*rt jokes in games (characters urinating etc.) /= mature content. If anything it's less mature because it isn't taken "seriously."
6. Sex/nudity in games is just plain perverted. Developers are feeding on the stereotype that 'gamers' are immature, sexually inexperienced, horny, social misfits who giggle at boobies. This does NOT equal maturity
The thread got moved onto letting your children play AOC, but that's not what Salvatoris was saying. He was simply talking about playing the game in the same room as his kids. Posters got off on a tagent trying to villianise Salvatoris talking about nudity and his kids. That's why I told Zido 2-3 pages back that he obviously hadn't read the previous posts. No one ever suggested anything about letting their kids play, they were talking how the game wouldn't bring in a more "mature" player base because it's not a game that many parents will fieel comfortable playing with their kids in the same room.
Good for them, said parents should be glad to know that there is a toggle to censor/remove visual mature content, including nudity and the worst of the gore. They will be quite able to turn it on when children are there to see.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Hemingway
If you think about it parents wont let little kids play the game because of the ingame nudity and the obvious mature content.
Therefor almost every person playing will be either mature teens or adults, kids will be forced out of playing the game by there parents.
This will for very first time in mmorpg's make the playerbase almost all mature older people.
No more little kids running around cursing and screaming and ruining game play for others.
I hope they put on the Box in very large letters "NUDITY" "18+" and "GORE" it will make any parent say hell no tot here stupid kids when they ask for it.
You seem to forget that-
1. There are a lot of bad parents who don't care or monitor what their children do.
2. There are a lot of bad/bored/stupid people who work at stores that will sell anything to kids w/o I.D.
3. Age /= maturity.
4. Many like me, I'm nearly 24, have zero interest in the "maturity" of this game because the "mature" content will most likely bring out the most immature thoughts and behaviors from players. Why? Anything and everything in an online game can and will be abused. There is always some @-hole. So why even put this kind of crap in the game to tempt the immature/idiotic among us?
5. D!ck and f*rt jokes in games (characters urinating etc.) /= mature content. If anything it's less mature because it isn't taken "seriously."
6. Sex/nudity in games is just plain perverted. Developers are feeding on the stereotype that 'gamers' are immature, sexually inexperienced, horny, social misfits who giggle at boobies. This does NOT equal maturity
I agree with you on most of the points here, but come on, there is an immature pervert in all of us.. some of us just know when to let him/her out and when to keep them quiet.
1. There are a lot of bad parents who don't care or monitor what their children do.
2. There are a lot of bad/bored/stupid people who work at stores that will sell anything to kids w/o I.D.
3. Age /= maturity.
4. Many like me, I'm nearly 24, have zero interest in the "maturity" of this game because the "mature" content will most likely bring out the most immature thoughts and behaviors from players. Why? Anything and everything in an online game can and will be abused. There is always some @-hole. So why even put this kind of crap in the game to tempt the immature/idiotic among us?
5. D!ck and f*rt jokes in games (characters urinating etc.) /= mature content. If anything it's less mature because it isn't taken "seriously."
6. Sex/nudity in games is just plain perverted. Developers are feeding on the stereotype that 'gamers' are immature, sexually inexperienced, horny, social misfits who giggle at boobies. This does NOT equal maturity
I agree 100%
All of this supposed "Mature Content" will not force a mature audience.
When did Virtual Sex, Bar Fights, and Swearing become Mature?
1. There are a lot of bad parents who don't care or monitor what their children do.
2. There are a lot of bad/bored/stupid people who work at stores that will sell anything to kids w/o I.D.
3. Age /= maturity.
4. Many like me, I'm nearly 24, have zero interest in the "maturity" of this game because the "mature" content will most likely bring out the most immature thoughts and behaviors from players. Why? Anything and everything in an online game can and will be abused. There is always some @-hole. So why even put this kind of crap in the game to tempt the immature/idiotic among us?
5. D!ck and f*rt jokes in games (characters urinating etc.) /= mature content. If anything it's less mature because it isn't taken "seriously."
6. Sex/nudity in games is just plain perverted. Developers are feeding on the stereotype that 'gamers' are immature, sexually inexperienced, horny, social misfits who giggle at boobies. This does NOT equal maturity
I agree 100%
All of this supposed "Mature Content" will not force a mature audience.
When did Virtual Sex, Bar Fights, and Swearing become Mature?
It's really funny, that bar fights and swearing actually make a person less mature in real life. But we all do it. (Swear that is, bar fights are less common and not too fun trust me lol)
And sex? Well, it should only be between mature consenting adults but I think we all know that's not the case most of the time.
Point is, do these things have a place in games?
Bar fights, yeah that's a cool feature. Not going to lie. It's a bloody, gore filled game about combat and death. Bar fight fits that motif.
Sex and swearing and d!ck/f*rt jokes?
Should have no place in gaming IMO
Players will talk about this crap enough in chat channels and within their guilds (and Chuck Norris jokes) so why "force" it on players as developer content? It'll be like one, giant Barrens chat. Ewww..
Much to learn about the human race, you have! I doubt many people will even try fighting each other, they'll be doing... And don't forget, GTA is 18+ too, nobody looks after it... And adults can be just as retarded as kids... The game you want, with an excellent and polite community is just a dream, there'll always be people scamming others, spamming OMG!!!1!1!, etc. The only thing that might help getting a serious community, is by making it very complicated. At least that's my opinion
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"God, please help us sinful children of Ivalice.."
Yea, I'd have to agree almost completely.
Why are they not the same, both are conciderd indecent in public areas. I'd take the fact the the subjegation of women as lesser humans and sex objects as the reason why Nude breast = ok, but not nude penises =/ ok. Personally i don't care if they have BOTH , but there still no reason for either.
No the question really is why have NUDE breasts. It is concerded indecent by many people so you have to have a reason to break a known taboo.
I think i know it Funcon is betting ok a lot of dips**t MALE buyign this game for this reason or impacting their disition too.
I played one game that stright up had nude harpy like mobs in it, i was very suprized at this but overall it was no big deal. Infact i only remembered it now and i doubt nudity in aoc will be a big deal.... But i concerder it quite cheap.
I also second Manveru's post ... because thats the reality of this choice.
I think not all people playing AoC will be that way but its gonna draw more young players with nudity then adults you can bet on that. See like many are agruing what does a mature person care if their are boobies? Most could not give a F. But the immature males sure as heck do.
Finally, its a gimic because its really not about the game its about attracting these immature players.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Ok, its not obvious that they are going by strict conan lore and being realistic? You think every woman in that era knew or had the money for clothing?
Where there brothels in Conan lore? :P
I r pro Bewb! If you are anti-bewb. Dont play
Yea, I'd have to agree almost completely.
Actually the community, those that aren't part of the gout of players that are gushing from WoW like an open wound, is pretty damn awesome... and if the M rating means that even a % of the leetkiddie's moms won't let them use their credit card than thats still an improvement SecondedOf all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
I don't mind a little nudity for realism's sake. All I ask as a female gamer is equal candy for both genders.
Which I know we won't get, but I've gotten used to it. That's why I have a very content husband and a subscription to Playgirl magazine. Still, a chest is a chest. And I like male chests just as much as you like female ones.
This game does look interestingly gritty and offbeat. That's what's interesting about it for me. Away with the cookie cutter. Let's color outside of the lines once in a while.
"We don't stop playing because we grow old. We grow old because we stop playing."
There is plently of naked manflesh for you... on top or bottom...
community.ageofconan.com/wsp/conan/frontend.cgi
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Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
There's nothing wrong with boobies.
Lots of people are surprised to learn that many municipalities do not prohibit toplessness. Where I live in Idaho, toplessness is not illegal. 
But I think anything that will keep the kiddies away from this game is a good thing.
Too bad I'm taking a break from fantasy MMOs for a while. I'll be looking for something space-related or an FPS MMO.
- Phos
I play for the fun of it.
Here is the thing... Know that even though people are paying money every month for Sirus radio specifically for Howard Stern. His popularity is based on sex and nudity. Sirus' subscribers increased by 1400% the week he started on their service. These people are not under 18. So your probibally right. Were going to see people aged 18-25 who are the biggest offenders.
If you think sex dosn't sell, go ask the richest man in radio.
People seem to be forgetting that EBgames and Best Buy won't sell a Mature rated game to anyone under 18.
Yeah, you could get a fake I.D. or something and there will always be parents who buy whatever game their kids want, but the Mature rating will cut down on the number of kids playing.
They can apparently really get in trouble for selling a Mature rated game to someone under 18.
I just want ESRB and the FCC to die.
they also claim to have a mature setting so set it for underage for you kids if that makes you happy
Absolutely!
The thread got moved onto letting your children play AOC, but that's not what Salvatoris was saying. He was simply talking about playing the game in the same room as his kids. Posters got off on a tagent trying to villianise Salvatoris talking about nudity and his kids. That's why I told Zido 2-3 pages back that he obviously hadn't read the previous posts. No one ever suggested anything about letting their kids play, they were talking how the game wouldn't bring in a more "mature" player base because it's not a game that many parents will fieel comfortable playing with their kids in the same room.
agreeing with some others it wont "force" a mature player base but it will considerably reduce the amount of annoying immature kids that will want to play it... hopefully all of them stay playing wow
I miss wow...
With the recent tightening of game ratings, and considering the mobs like the demon woman will probably have more than one spawn, the multiple boobs could put this game at an AO in the US... That will sucks, in which the Funcom will have to rid it of the full frontal or lower the amount of mobs with it, something to put it at M so normal stores carry it... and so my parents don't freak when I'm already getting nice and bloody, but it's with a pair of tits.
lol
-Allegria
I disagree with the OP 100%
Age =/ Maturity ESPECIALLY with anything connected to, making use of, or operating from the Internet.
There will always be jerks in online games, you just can't let them ruin your own enjoyment of the game.
I could see it going either way. Of course it will help keep younger players from playing, however, are younger players usually the problem? Of course they hurt the Role-Playing aspect of the game, but they are not typically griefers.
1. There are a lot of bad parents who don't care or monitor what their children do.
2. There are a lot of bad/bored/stupid people who work at stores that will sell anything to kids w/o I.D.
3. Age /= maturity.
4. Many like me, I'm nearly 24, have zero interest in the "maturity" of this game because the "mature" content will most likely bring out the most immature thoughts and behaviors from players. Why? Anything and everything in an online game can and will be abused. There is always some @-hole. So why even put this kind of crap in the game to tempt the immature/idiotic among us?
5. D!ck and f*rt jokes in games (characters urinating etc.) /= mature content. If anything it's less mature because it isn't taken "seriously."
6. Sex/nudity in games is just plain perverted. Developers are feeding on the stereotype that 'gamers' are immature, sexually inexperienced, horny, social misfits who giggle at boobies. This does NOT equal maturity
Good for them, said parents should be glad to know that there is a toggle to censor/remove visual mature content, including nudity and the worst of the gore. They will be quite able to turn it on when children are there to see.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
1. There are a lot of bad parents who don't care or monitor what their children do.
2. There are a lot of bad/bored/stupid people who work at stores that will sell anything to kids w/o I.D.
3. Age /= maturity.
4. Many like me, I'm nearly 24, have zero interest in the "maturity" of this game because the "mature" content will most likely bring out the most immature thoughts and behaviors from players. Why? Anything and everything in an online game can and will be abused. There is always some @-hole. So why even put this kind of crap in the game to tempt the immature/idiotic among us?
5. D!ck and f*rt jokes in games (characters urinating etc.) /= mature content. If anything it's less mature because it isn't taken "seriously."
6. Sex/nudity in games is just plain perverted. Developers are feeding on the stereotype that 'gamers' are immature, sexually inexperienced, horny, social misfits who giggle at boobies. This does NOT equal maturity
I agree with you on most of the points here, but come on, there is an immature pervert in all of us.. some of us just know when to let him/her out and when to keep them quiet.
1. There are a lot of bad parents who don't care or monitor what their children do.
2. There are a lot of bad/bored/stupid people who work at stores that will sell anything to kids w/o I.D.
3. Age /= maturity.
4. Many like me, I'm nearly 24, have zero interest in the "maturity" of this game because the "mature" content will most likely bring out the most immature thoughts and behaviors from players. Why? Anything and everything in an online game can and will be abused. There is always some @-hole. So why even put this kind of crap in the game to tempt the immature/idiotic among us?
5. D!ck and f*rt jokes in games (characters urinating etc.) /= mature content. If anything it's less mature because it isn't taken "seriously."
6. Sex/nudity in games is just plain perverted. Developers are feeding on the stereotype that 'gamers' are immature, sexually inexperienced, horny, social misfits who giggle at boobies. This does NOT equal maturity
I agree 100%All of this supposed "Mature Content" will not force a mature audience.
When did Virtual Sex, Bar Fights, and Swearing become Mature?
1. There are a lot of bad parents who don't care or monitor what their children do.
2. There are a lot of bad/bored/stupid people who work at stores that will sell anything to kids w/o I.D.
3. Age /= maturity.
4. Many like me, I'm nearly 24, have zero interest in the "maturity" of this game because the "mature" content will most likely bring out the most immature thoughts and behaviors from players. Why? Anything and everything in an online game can and will be abused. There is always some @-hole. So why even put this kind of crap in the game to tempt the immature/idiotic among us?
5. D!ck and f*rt jokes in games (characters urinating etc.) /= mature content. If anything it's less mature because it isn't taken "seriously."
6. Sex/nudity in games is just plain perverted. Developers are feeding on the stereotype that 'gamers' are immature, sexually inexperienced, horny, social misfits who giggle at boobies. This does NOT equal maturity
I agree 100%All of this supposed "Mature Content" will not force a mature audience.
When did Virtual Sex, Bar Fights, and Swearing become Mature?
It's really funny, that bar fights and swearing actually make a person less mature in real life. But we all do it. (Swear that is, bar fights are less common and not too fun trust me lol)
And sex? Well, it should only be between mature consenting adults but I think we all know that's not the case most of the time.
Point is, do these things have a place in games?
Bar fights, yeah that's a cool feature. Not going to lie. It's a bloody, gore filled game about combat and death. Bar fight fits that motif.
Sex and swearing and d!ck/f*rt jokes?
Should have no place in gaming IMO
Players will talk about this crap enough in chat channels and within their guilds (and Chuck Norris jokes) so why "force" it on players as developer content? It'll be like one, giant Barrens chat. Ewww..
Much to learn about the human race, you have! I doubt many people will even try fighting each other, they'll be doing...
And don't forget, GTA is 18+ too, nobody looks after it... And adults can be just as retarded as kids... The game you want, with an excellent and polite community is just a dream, there'll always be people scamming others, spamming OMG!!!1!1!, etc. The only thing that might help getting a serious community, is by making it very complicated. At least that's my opinion 
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