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Floods Are Judgment On Society - Says Bishop
gnomexxx
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Oh, no. Here we go again. 
This is that same crap holy men were saying after Katrina hit New Orleans. I thought Falwell was dead, but apparently he lives on in spirit.
Why must the church insist on scaring people into belief? Is the guilt trip not enough these days, so they have to resort back to the flood now? I guess feeling powerless can cause some desperate behavior.
But it goes back to the old status quo of the recent church. If something goes wrong, blame the homo's.
I'm going to laugh when the day comes that a gay man ends up saving the world while all these holy men run and hide somewhere.
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Floods are judgment on society, say bishops
By Jonathan Wynne-Jones, Sunday Telegraph
The floods that have devastated swathes of the country are God's judgment on the immorality and greed of modern society, according to senior Church of England bishops.
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The Bishop said pro-gay laws were to blame for the floods |
One diocesan bishop has even claimed that laws that have undermined marriage, including the introduction of pro-gay legislation, have provoked God to act by sending the storms that have left thousands of people homeless.
While those who have been affected by the storms are innocent victims, the bishops argue controversially that the flooding is a result of Western civilisation's decision to ignore biblical teaching.
The Rt Rev Graham Dow, Bishop of Carlisle, argued that the floods are not just a result of a lack of respect for the planet, but also a judgment on society's moral decadence.
"This is a strong and definite judgment because the world has been arrogant in going its own way," he said. "We are reaping the consequences of our moral degradation, as well as the environmental damage that we have caused."
The bishop, who is a leading evangelical, said that people should heed the stories of the Bible, which described the downfall of the Roman empire as a result of its immorality.
"We are in serious moral trouble because every type of lifestyle is now regarded as legitimate," he said.
"In the Bible, institutional power is referred to as 'the beast', which sets itself up to control people and their morals. Our government has been playing the role of God in saying that people are free to act as they want," he said, adding that the introduction of recent pro-gay laws highlighted its determination to undermine marriage.
"The sexual orientation regulations [which give greater rights to gays] are part of a general scene of permissiveness. We are in a situation where we are liable for God's judgment, which is intended to call us to repentance."
He expressed his sympathy for those who have been hit by the weather, but said that the problem with "environmental judgment is that it is indiscriminate".
The West is also being punished for the way that it has exploited poorer nations in its pursuit of economic gain. "It has set up dominant economic structures that are built on greed and that keep other nations in a situation of dependence. The principle of God's judgment on nations that have exploited other nations is all there in the Bible," he said.
He urged people to respond to the latest floods by turning away from a lifestyle of greed to instead live thinking of the consequences of their actions.
Global warming has been caused by people's lack of care for the planet and recent environmental catastrophes are a warning over how we behave, according to the Bishop of Liverpool.
"People no longer see natural disasters as an act of God," said the Rt Rev James Jones. "However, we are now reaping what we have sown. If we live in a profligate way then there are going to be consequences," said the bishop, who has previously been seen as a future Archbishop of Canterbury or York.
"We have a responsibility in this and God is exposing us to the truth of what we have done."
The Rt Rev Richard Chartres, Bishop of London, said: "We are all part of the problem and part of the solution. Instead of living as if we owned the earth we need to recover a sense of being participants in a web of life with responsibilities to other life forms and to our children."
The Bishops' warnings came as flood-hit communities were being warned to brace themselves for more torrential rain this weekend, with the Met Office issuing a severe weather warning for large areas of England and Wales, with up to 50mm (2in) of rain forecast.
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I like how he describes institutionalized power as the 'beast'. It's not as though the church isn't pretty much the oldest institution around or something silly like that. Oh, fun quote here.
"We are in serious moral trouble because every type of lifestyle is now regarded as legitimate," he said.
I guess that includes the lifestyle of the intolerant and judgemental. Also.. aren't we talking about the same church where scads of the priests were pedos? You would think if we were gonna get some 'acts of god' they would be more like a tidal wave hitting Vatican city of something..
So we're given three choices.
1: Act of God (because we're all immoral scum, according to a child screwing homo that wears a dress and tells us how to live our lives and that listening to others is a sin).
2: Global Warming (Because we don't use enough solar power and cut down too much rain forest).
3: Shiotty luck (Because that's life).
Personally I go with a mix of 2 and 3, as for 1 if it were true and God were punishing the evil I think him and his colleagues would be first on the almightys shit list don't you?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
I see your point, but there needs to be one correction made. It's in the phrase, "child screwing homo". A pedophile is not a homosexual. Homosexuals, like heterosexuals, prefer sex with adults.
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If you look at these guys like the bishop as con men trying to keep their current marks in the zone, and seeking new ones, it makes a lot more sense.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Once a denizen of Ahazi
Fear and religion have been bedfellows for 100's of years so its little suprise that the church still tries to frighten people to worship at the chirch and give there spare cash to the church.
What an idiot!
He is part of a church that withheld pedophile priests from the law. They moved them to the Vatican so that they could be protected from prosecution. Cardinal Law was a major player in the indoctrination of the current pope. And he's going to lecture us on the evils of gay marriage?
Blast his form of religion back into the dark ages, along with his hurtful interpretation of the Bible. These people don't want peace or good will amongst men. They want fear and submission to their authority and institution. They should be ashamed for using the name of Christ to promote themselves.
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Gnome, I thought you said that you weren't going to post about religious stuff anymore because you don't understand it well enough to make a fair judgement?
By the way, I don't support what this Bishop says...nor do I support any Bishop or any other church heirarchy that was not established through a Biblical purpose. I believe that there are things in this world that disuade us from doing certain things. These can be seen as warnings from God, sure...but to say stuff like this, or that God created AIDS because he hates gay people, is inane.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
My point in posting this was to show just how idiotic these people are. People say that the Catholic church is free from the judgment of what they did hundreds of years ago because of time, but it seems to me they are wanting to pull that old qualification of being hurtful back out of the past. They haven't redeemed themselves when they still make statements like this. As far as I'm concerned this is just as silly as saying the Earth is flat and the sun goes around us!!!!
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Well...I don't think it's quite fair to compare something like this with the crusades...but I understand the spirit of what you're saying. It's hard to take the argument that "that's all in the past" seriously when they are still saying such idiotic things today. I think it's important to remember though, that the Catholic heirarchy is not indicitive of Catholics as a whole. Your standard follower of Catholicism has no control over who is a Cardinal or a Bishop...and I would go so far as to say that most Catholics probably don't even understand what those roles are and what they mean anyway. Once again though, none of that stuff is taken from the Bible, the election of a Pope, as well as many of the other bits of Catholic dogma, aren't even the slightest bit Biblical.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the CoE a very different entity for the Vatican. Much in the same way Lutherans are different from Mormons?
If memory serves, the CoE was started up by King Henry VIII because the Vatican wouldn't legitimize his divorce(s). It may have been legitimized by the Vatican in the interim, but last I knew, they were two very different religious entities.
Edit: Yes, I am, in fact, to lazy to hit up wiki for the story. Piss off, it's Sunday.
I just wanted to make a correction here since no one seems to know what church they are talking about. That person is not a member of the Catholic Church. He is a Bishop for the Church of England also known as the Anglican Church. So please do not continue to blame catholics for this particular problem. Secondly I think the pedophile issue was with Catholics and not with the Church of England so can we not confuse religions? Otherwise people end up looking pretty dumb.
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Yes you are correct. King Henry didn't take kindly to the Pope thinking he was more powerful. So when the Catholic church wouldn't legitamize(sp?) his divorces King Henry ran out all the Catholics and created the Church Of England(anglican Church) which also came to America. It changed during the Revolutionary War because American Anglicans didn't want to be associated with the British and so they changed the name to Episcopal Church. So in reality the Episcopal Church is pretty much the same thing as Anglican. And neither one is Catholic.
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From Wikipedia:
England adhered to the Roman Catholic church for nearly a thousand years, before the English church separated from Rome in 1534, during the reign of King Henry VIII. A theological separation had been foreshadowed by various movements within the English church such as the Lollards, but the English Reformation gained political support when Henry VIII wanted his marriage to Catherine of Aragon annulled. Under pressure from Catherine's nephew Emperor Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor, Pope Clement VII refused the annulment and eventually Henry, although theologically a Catholic, decided to become Supreme Head of the Church of England to ensure the annulment of his marriage.
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P.S. Cake or Death.
While I defend the bishops in the Church of England against the accusations of paedofilia, I certainly don't defend this guy's viewpoint about the flood. He almost sounds like that Phelps nutter. Everyone is entitled to their viewpoint, but that's pretty crazy shit to be coming from an Anglican Bishop. I would suggest it was time this guy retired.
If my family weren't Irish, I'd so move to England. They spell things so much better than Americans. Plus they say cool stuff like 'punters'.
You can't argue with punters. Or Guy Richie films. Or better yet, The Long Good Friday.
However, I still wish people like this would voluntarily have their jaws wired shut so the rest of us could get on with learning to be good to each other.
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If my family weren't Irish, I'd so move to England. They spell things so much better than Americans. Plus they say cool stuff like 'punters'.
You can't argue with punters. Or Guy Richie films. Or better yet, The Long Good Friday.
Doh! "ph" not "f"! Paedophilia! Clearly a word I don't use enough
If my family weren't Irish, I'd so move to England. They spell things so much better than Americans. Plus they say cool stuff like 'punters'.
You can't argue with punters. Or Guy Richie films. Or better yet, The Long Good Friday.
Doh! "ph" not "f"! Paedophilia! Clearly a word I don't use enough
Eh, ph is the new f. RE: Phat Pharm clothing.
You've got much better beer, too. Drinking a pint of Youngs as I type. However, we are the responsible for Punk, Sex Pistols and the Damned be damned. And we invented Rock music in general, imo.
My mistake, for some reason I thought that I read that this was said by a Catholic person.
edit: That some reason is because of the reference to the crusades that was made by Gnome...Either he was mistaken as well or I just misunderstood his analogy.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
@ The floods are due to mother nature, not the Divine.
Lol..