G&H is a mmorpg PVE with minions and awesome graphics.You have the whole world to explore and anough lore to put any other game lore to shame even Warhammers 25 yesrs dont compare to 1000s of years of history. Just look at this vid on the main site lol..vanguard has no chance agaist this as a matter of fact i would seriously put this up there with WAR-AOC.Dont mistake this as a Guild Wars type mmorpg because its like eq-wow-vanguard free roaming mmorpg.
You lost me when you said... PVE.... won't play anymore games focused on PVE endgames.... we've had enough EQ-WOW-VG's for now....
As to lore comparisons.... history is boring... WAR lore is fun....
Dont get me wrong i will play WAR and have been TT for years.I am a PVP to the core and played DAOC for 3 years.When i mentioned PVE it was to put it across that its just like Vanguard as in a PVE game which might have 1-2 PVP but it is a PVE game.
Anyone who thinks this game wont get some of vanguards subs is wrong lol.What happens when this joins SOE game list and its spread all over there site and is part of the Gasmecard option lol people from soe station will be all over this game like a rash.
I am not saying that Vanguard will burn and die.I am just saying its going to take a hell of a long time to turn this around,there is just to much coming out later this year.Have they missed there chance?i dont no but if these server merges dont work its all downhill from there.
This would be a shame because it is a beautiful world but they have left out the one thing that helps these game succeed...FUN.....
Vanguard is bland and boring not to mention loaded down with bugs and crappy design. If you think this game will be #1 or even closed to it, you are having delusions .... or perhaps going senile. What a joke.
Sure the game may never make #1 and there are plenty of reasons why, but the game is in no way bland, and if you think it is perhaphs you should check a dictionary for the meaning of "bland". A game is only as boring as you make it. Hell i could take the most interesting game in the world, stand in it for an hour not doing anything and myself be bored. Therefore is the game boring? To state that vanguard is boring could mean one of two things: a) you've never played an MMO before and don't know what to expect. b) You haven't spent more than 30 seconds exploring or looking for anything at all. (or perhaps you bought gold which took all the fun out of the game?) And stating that the game is "loaded down with bugs" and exhibits a "crappy design" to me shows how little time you have actually spent playing the game - a largely immature argument - and that perhaps you havent played it since release...A large portion of the detrimental bugs have been remedied. Oh, and i suggest you revise your use of sinnility as an argument. Firstly, in the context of the sentence using "senile" to describe someone who has an oppinion differing from your own is incorrect, and secondly you must realise that everyone has an oppinion. It is fair to say that you yourself do not like the game and give reasons why, but attempting to insult someone because their opinion differs from yours is arrogant.
Vanguard is bland and boring not to mention loaded down with bugs and crappy design. If you think this game will be #1 or even closed to it, you are having delusions .... or perhaps going senile.
What a joke.
Sure the game may never make #1 and there are plenty of reasons why, but the game is in no way bland, and if you think it is perhaphs you should check a dictionary for the meaning of "bland". A game is only as boring as you make it. Hell i could take the most interesting game in the world, stand in it for an hour not doing anything and myself be bored. Therefore is the game boring? To state that vanguard is boring could mean one of two things:
a) you've never played an MMO before and don't know what to expect.
b) You haven't spent more than 30 seconds exploring or looking for anything at all. (or perhaps you bought gold which took all the fun out of the game?)
And stating that the game is "loaded down with bugs" and exhibits a "crappy design" to me shows how little time you have actually spent playing the game - a largely immature argument - and that perhaps you havent played it since release...A large portion of the detrimental bugs have been remedied. Oh, and i suggest you revise your use of sinnility as an argument. Firstly, in the context of the sentence using "senile" to describe someone who has an oppinion differing from your own is incorrect, and secondly you must realise that everyone has an oppinion. It is fair to say that you yourself do not like the game and give reasons why, but attempting to insult someone because their opinion differs from yours is arrogant.
Claiming the game will hit #1 is not arrogant or being blind to the facts? How stupid can one get? lol. I suggest you re-read the thread. You have no idea what you are talking about.
So yeah you've read all the posts about the failure, bad performance and impending doom and asking yourself "what's it really like?". It's a fun game, most will enjoy it and there's plenty to do. Yes, it has performance issues and crashes but while annoying they are not game breaking. Crafting, adventuring and diplomacy will give you enjoyment, some aspects are better and some worse than other comparable mmos. Yes, it has population issues which should be addressed by the mergers. Now here's why people are quitting... When you get past the mid 30s you realise it's very very samey. The higher level quests are a cut &paste of the lower ones. Also, the world has some amazing cities and graphics but you can't help feeling that cut&paste again. The boats are fun for about 5 minutes, then you realise there's nothing to really do with them, same applies to housing. Mounts are fun for a bit longer but ultimately they get old fast. Diplomacy, again becomes very samey. Crafting will give you more RSI than any other MMO (it will wear your mouse out). The game lacks soul, no real lore, no real reason for completing a quest or traveling to a location. Same old quests dressed up with slightly different themes. The NPCs are the same with different clothes. You can argue that it's the similar for every mmo, but it's moreso for VG. If you look at the feature list, the videos and other material it just fails to live up to what it says on the cover. It's not a bad game it's just not that great either. On the whole I would say EQ2 is slightly better for that more "in depth" fantasy mmo. Some argue that LotR and WoW are more "basic" but ultimately VSoH is a basic game trying to be complicated. Try it before buying it.
The game has plenty of soul. It is just wider than it is tall.
The addiction doesn't start until you realize that levels 1-30 were only the free hits that it took to get you hooked. On a subconcious level people are leaving because that is pretty scary. For those of us who stayed though, the buzz is as good as gold.
As for it being a basic game only trying to be complicated. I submit that it is a complicated game only attempting to be understood in a very basic kind of way.
Go see for your self. Talk to people. Find a good guild. Join the crafting channel. And have fun. I play on Shidreth. We welcome you to come.
This is not an accurate discribtion of the games content, and it appears the person neaver used the boat to travel to any of the many islands in the game that require you to use a boat to get to them, one being a mid-40s grouping area with some great content and excellent rewards. For crafting you can go to vanguardcrafters.com and pick up some macros so you won't "wear your mouse out."
Also there is some very good storylines within it, again sounds like the complaining of a PLer who only did one line since he knew he could get a lot of EXP from it in a short amount of time. This game is not something you should rush through at all. Into my 3rd month in the mid 30s and still finding content and storylines. And there are many NPC at the high end that you will not see at the low end ever. Overall it has EQ2 beat hands down, once all the bugs get worked out this game will be the #1 MMO. This most likely will be 2008 number 1 MMO. This game at 5 months into it, in comparison to EQ, EQ2, WoW, DAoC, AO and various others at 5 months into their live beats them in performance and bugs. I should know I was there at 5 months in for all of them.
Go work on your next game please, brad
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Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed.
The game has plenty of soul. It is just wider than it is tall.
The addiction doesn't start until you realize that levels 1-30 were only the free hits that it took to get you hooked. On a subconcious level people are leaving because that is pretty scary. For those of us who stayed though, the buzz is as good as gold. As for it being a basic game only trying to be complicated. I submit that it is a complicated game only attempting to be understood in a very basic kind of way. Go see for your self. Talk to people. Find a good guild. Join the crafting channel. And have fun. I play on Shidreth. We welcome you to come.
People left and are leaving because there is no compelling reasons to do so. There are many better games out there. People are also leaving because graphics/RAM requirements are way above the norm among other reasons. Suggesting that it is some sort of a 'scare' is just ... lol ... ignorant and sprouting nonsense.
As for "As for it being a basic game only trying to be complicated. I submit that it is a complicated game only attempting to be understood in a very basic kind of way." What kind of crack are you on? You mean like Auto Assault ... ?
Just maybe people have played it and have declared it a piece of junk.
Okay so here's the deal. I liked Ultima Online. I enjoyed EQ1. I had fun in Shadowbane and the City of.. games. EQ2 wasn't really what I was hoping for and WoW's proved entertaining at times and just boring at others.
I'm a MMO player who's pretty much sick of the genre as a whole. But I enjoy grouping and playing these games the best I can.
So Vanguard and I. Now I've not followed it closely. I didn't buy it at launch. I didn't care that SoE took over control of the game.
This is what I'm looking for. Can I role-play in the game? If I play one class / race combo will it play too similar to my next class / race combo? Are the stats of my character and my play style very equipment dependent? As far as factions go? If I'm a rogue and I need to infiltrate the city I'm at odds with to get a quest done will there be some system in store to crush me? If I choose to go to a non-PvP server are there still optional PvP areas? Plus do GMs do events? On top of that.. Can I make my warrior a bow based ranged damager? Or do the classes have a heavy restriction on what weapons I can perform well with?
There, I'm listening and I love and hate what I've heard about this game.
I got a somewhat older machine. 3 gig ht intel processor, 128 video memory Geforce 6800 8x AGP, and two gigs of ram. Plus I travel and I generally get free time on dial up, is there any way that'd work? Or am I stationed only at home?
I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.
The game has plenty of soul. It is just wider than it is tall.
The addiction doesn't start until you realize that levels 1-30 were only the free hits that it took to get you hooked. On a subconcious level people are leaving because that is pretty scary. For those of us who stayed though, the buzz is as good as gold. As for it being a basic game only trying to be complicated. I submit that it is a complicated game only attempting to be understood in a very basic kind of way. Go see for your self. Talk to people. Find a good guild. Join the crafting channel. And have fun. I play on Shidreth. We welcome you to come.
People left and are leaving because there is no compelling reasons to do so. There are many better games out there. People are also leaving because graphics/RAM requirements are way above the norm among other reasons. Suggesting that it is some sort of a 'scare' is just ... lol ... ignorant and sprouting nonsense.
As for "As for it being a basic game only trying to be complicated. I submit that it is a complicated game only attempting to be understood in a very basic kind of way." What kind of crack are you on? You mean like Auto Assault ... ?
Just maybe people have played it and have declared it a piece of junk.
All things considered sure, the game has some heafty system requirements. That doesn't however make it a bad game for those people who meet or are willing to meet those requirements.
As far as the complicated level that you say is not there, how about you show me how you have mastered the game before I take your word for it. Anyone can log into a game, play until they become frustrated with a set of rules and then log into a message board and spout a bunch of crap. I would much rather take my advice, however, from someone who can back their words up with something a bit much substantial than cliched wise cracks and inflamitory insults.
I'm not mad at you. I just don't think that your opinion counts as much as mine is all.
All things considered sure, the game has some heafty system requirements. That doesn't however make it a bad game for those people who meet or are willing to meet those requirements.
As far as the complicated level that you say is not there, how about you show me how you have mastered the game before I take your word for it. Anyone can log into a game, play until they become frustrated with a set of rules and then log into a message board and spout a bunch of crap. I would much rather take my advice, however, from someone who can back their words up with something a bit much substantial than cliched wise cracks and inflamitory insults. I'm not mad at you. I just don't think that your opinion counts as much as mine is all.
Let's ignore smart-ass comments for now. My apologies.
I have played the game till level 40+ in crafting and 34+ in adventuring. Let me describe an incident during the start of my gaming in Vanguard.
Vanguard was brand new. Booted it up, made a tailor as a Kojani Human. Found out I needed more RAM and a better graphics card. I rushed out, got an extra gig and a new card. I then found out the graphics is pretty much the same with a little bit more fps and a bit more shadow here and there. That is fine because I don't care as much about the graphics as gameplay.
At level 11, I discovered that in order to do the tier quest (to get the next tier recipe), I had to speak to a trainer in Martok-land. Orc/Goblin (residents of Martok) are racial enemies of the Kojani Humans so I thought that's a bit rough. Fine. I can handle it. I then found out the teleporter to Martok doesn't work for Kojani Humans. Damn. Now I need a boat except the game is new and no one is making a boat. Ok fine. I will swim there. So I started swimming. Mind you I was level 11 crafter / level 10 adventurer. Then I hit the dreaded chunking problem. Fine I can take that after all I have already already commited to tailoring. Even if each chunk takes 10 mins to load it will be done in a couple of hours. No biggie. I swam a few chunks and found out most of the chunks are empty. That again is cool becuase the game is new and no all areas populated. Then suddenly, immediately upon chunking, I agro a level 40+ mob (some ostrich looking thing) who rushed me and killed me in 1-2 blows... probably a hit kill. At that time I was already moving backward by reflex and I died. As I died, I also happen to fall off the cliff which also happen to be where the chunk line were. So here I am dying, falling and chunking at the same lol. Needless to say i ended up in the next chunk after minutes of loading with my dead body lying on the ground but I am ALSO up and alive with no HP. The HP bar is blank. So thought wow ... perhaps its a bug and I can get to Martok in a 'ghost' form. I then ran a few chunks only to be teleported back to Tanvu. DOH !!!!.. I have no idea what happened here. I guess it was a rollback of some form but my items are on my tombstone. Fine, I retrieve my tombstone, got my equipment back and tried again AND again with no apparent success. I then read on the forum that the trainer is bugged and is on top of a hill which is only reachable BY flying or someone throwing down the rope. In addition, I would also need to kill 200+ mobs in order to earn the faction to talk to the trainer. This was rediculous. In addition, this was acknowledged as a bug with no fix date specified. So it could be 4 weeks before it gets fixed. Or it could be the next day.... This sort of wait is not bearable or is it acceptable. It was fixed around 2-3 weeks later but the point was moot (see below).
Let's see what's wrong here.
1. On Thestra, the tailors get the Tier 2 recipes without combat at all. Just stroll down to the next town. Mind you, I am level 10 or so and I wasn't expecting to jump hoops like this at this level. I am ok if the rest of the tailors are required to jump hoops of similar difficulty.
2. I need to grind faction so that the Orcs and Goblins can teach me how to sew some cloths ???? Do you mean the Kojanis have no tailor-trainers that can teach T2 recipes but have trainers to teach higher tier recipes? This makes no sense at all. This clearly CLEARLY showed that someone decided that trainer-NPCs should be spread out over the continent and shove one into each town. It is also clear that a different person went and stuck in the factions. Unfortunately in this case, it doesn't gel at all in a meaningful way.
3. There are so many issues during that time that, as a player, it is not possible to know when it would be fixed.
So continue-ing on, I decided not to wait but to roll another tailor since L11 wasn't too hard at all. This time I went as a Dark Elf. Main reason: I like the little mini dragon that followed you around. When I hit L11, I found I need to grind factions to visit the halfling village. Good grief. Halflings are a racial enemies and now I have to be friendly to them? According to the lores, I should wipe them out on sight. Again, it clearly shows the design has issues. So fine, I bit the bullet and grind up my tailor.
Then came the complications. After some tinkering, I manage to figure the best combo of attributes and gear so it because a nuisance. I got it down to 2 keys that would pretty much load the table, and craft to the end just pressing 111111222222. The only exception is complications have to be handled manually. Complications was a challenge until i figured out the attribute distribution. After that it is just a grind. At each level, just adjust either the gear and some attributes until the desired values are reach. Takes all of 10-15 mins. Then I m set for the level and its just 11111222222. How exactly is that complicated?
Then duping hits. I was rolling around in cash. Even before duping hits, I was rolling in cash compare to the adventurers and I was just making bags. I had the cloak market cornered to except bags was selling like hotcakes that I didn't even have time to make cloaks. How exactly is this game difficult?
The most difficult crafting I have every come across was SWG Bio Engineer. I was making 5th-6th generation pets that were uber beyond belief. Just 2-3 generations was difficult enough. Even harvesting in SWG is complex. You need to know which resources are good for what products based on a combination of 10 or so stats which changes every week. In addition, you also need to balance the yield you can extract from the ground vs the quality. For example, would you extract 9 resources of med-high quality or 2 resources of very high quality or some combination of both? The location for harvesting and the harvest materials changes every week or so again. This forces you to explore every week. This gives MEANING to exploration. Vanguard harvesting/crafting system, by comparison, is kid's play. Not only it is simple, it is loaded with grindage. You do not make any significant decisions. When a complication pops up, you pick the best action to clear it. After a few times, you will pretty much learn which is the best method to clear it. After that it is mindless grind. Level after level there is no difference. You can work it out in a few mins. Vanguard crafting is basic is nature attempting to look complex via complications. Sorry it is thumbs down for system design.
While on the topic of Dark Elves, have u see Pankor Zhi (the fortress on top of the hill)? When I visit it (for one of my tier quests - I can't remember which one now) It is loaded with NPCs that does nothing. A whole city full of it. The 2 dragons are a nice touch but the area is incomplete. It should have been shutoff from the general population.
I can go on and on but I will spare you.
So you have:
1. Performance Issues that leads to people unable to play. This reduces the overall population which is bad. The negative publicity also stop people from trying so again it is all round negative in impact.
2. Unfinish zones leading to bad first impressions for a lot of people.
3. Bugs.
4. Inconsistent world design e.g. dark elves have to go to halflings village to learn tier 2 recipes?
5. Inability to deal with duped gold.
6. Insistent that complications in crafting is the factor that makes it complex. Please.... it can be complex only for the really daff.
7. PvP ... pls... that's a joke.
8. Claims that Vanguard graphics are top notched. Please, I have seen better graphics in older games e.g. Guild Wars. Character models are ugly like shit. If not ugly, at best, they are boring.
9. Fellowship?
10. AES?
11. Ownable flying mounts...
12. Meaningful travel?
13. Houses are ugly...
I can go on and on but I will spare you ... Vanguard is poorly design and is in not way deep. With its low population and the upcoming competing games (regardless whether they are good or successful), Vanguard is in NO WAY heading to #1. ... rofl... that is really delusional ... or truly blind.
I will grant you one thing though. If you are slow and take you own sweet time, Vanguard might be a tolerable way to kill some time. If you are sharp and prepared in your gaming, the flaws are all too apparent as you go through the game. In fact, come to think of it, this game might be great for folks who are jack of all trades and who do not excel at anything.
This post reminds of the the days in Auto Assault, it faces the same problem and Vanguard is following its path 101%. Since SOE is famous to keep up zombie MMO alive, lets see what they can do to Vanguard in time to come.
All canceled. Waiting on Warhammer Online : Age of Reckoning.
I played it in beta, I bought it at release, and I liked it. I even hyped it. Here we have a pretty innovative game with a huge somewhat seamless world in a genre that's rapidly filling up with clones or instanced games.
However, Vanguard is a pretty buggy game. For many people, it's unacceptably buggy. It's about a 50/50 toss up, check out any player review compilation for Vanguard and you'll see it in their score - about 50% bad, 50% good. Unfortunately, 50% for a MMORPG is less than 10% retention rate, since these things are too heavily based on the bandwagon effect. In other words, if half your friends quit, you're not likely to stick around and it just snowballs from there.
I'm currently not subscribed to Vanguard, I'm subscribed to City of Heroes. City of Heroes rocks, especially with the addition of an economy in Issue 9, and Issue 10 is coming much faster than I expected it would. If you're looking for a MMORPG that accentuates the G, the game, City of Heroes is your best bet.
However, I'm kinda bored of City of Heroes. I might resubscribe to Vanguard. I've been considering it - it's a very innovative MMORPG, after all. However, for me to do this I think a few things would have to happen:
1) I want the game to be a smooth, polished experience. Crash to desktop bugs? Get rid of them. Performance? Smooth it out - I should be able to load a major city quickly and easily. Make it play more like a game and less like an experiment.
2) I'm waiting until after the server merge. The world of Vanguard is too huge to suffer a low population. Seriously, this game world is so huge it should be a uni-server game, perhaps with PvP restricted to zones.
3) I hear the upper level content is just cut and paste. Fix that. I wouldn't do it as an expansion - the world is huge enough already. Instead, take all that virtual real-estate and enhance it. Enhance it with dynamic, meaningful content, the kind MMORPG dreams are made of. I don't expect you to do this right away - just a sign that it's being worked on would suffice.
It's not too late. Anarchy Online bounced back, after all, and I know their launch was even worse than Vanguards by several magnitudes.
LOL is that the best you can come with.You know what i mean by SOE and G&H and all i am saying is G&H could take some of Vanguards player base no matter how sandbox you think it is.I can tell you now that its not as sandbox as you would have people believe.
Lets face it Vanguard is broken and i say that from having a lvl 50 bard and lvl 22 psionist.I was doing Crypt/RI/(1st person to get Drum Of Separation on my server lol.I have not played for 4 weeks either. I know all about vanguard and you talk sandbox but if you look at the server population and the difficulty in getting groups you might as well be box off.A vast World dont mean shit if there is fuck all to do in it.
G&H isn't a SoE game afaik. Is it because SoE is going to publish it, you say that ?
If you are still in Vanguard after all the troubles the title have had, I don't think you are going to leave it for G&H. The games are just too different.
--- And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there. John Smedley, SOE
If you play VG, you do respect and appreciate the fact its potential is underdeveloped.
Is potential good enough to subscribe? hells no.
Is it good enough to remain subscribed? NO.
Is it good enough to keep an eye on the game for a bit? I think so. Yes. Why not? It has vast potential, not fulfilled, which can be fulfilled with resources and creativity. So, I am remaining subscribed, I do not suggest you do unless you want to.
I should be clear: I remain subscribed because I have fun in the game. I just actually logged off where a group of friends of mine and I, mostly guildmates, owned several named targets. yes. SOME raid content is in the game, btw. Anyway, I like the game. It is fun. IT is not the best on the market, but it has the most potential of all the games on the market.
Vanguard is bland and boring not to mention loaded down with bugs and crappy design. If you think this game will be #1 or even closed to it, you are having delusions .... or perhaps going senile.
What a joke.
Sure the game may never make #1 and there are plenty of reasons why, but the game is in no way bland, and if you think it is perhaphs you should check a dictionary for the meaning of "bland". A game is only as boring as you make it. Hell i could take the most interesting game in the world, stand in it for an hour not doing anything and myself be bored. Therefore is the game boring? To state that vanguard is boring could mean one of two things:
a) you've never played an MMO before and don't know what to expect.
b) You haven't spent more than 30 seconds exploring or looking for anything at all. (or perhaps you bought gold which took all the fun out of the game?)
And stating that the game is "loaded down with bugs" and exhibits a "crappy design" to me shows how little time you have actually spent playing the game - a largely immature argument - and that perhaps you havent played it since release...A large portion of the detrimental bugs have been remedied. Oh, and i suggest you revise your use of sinnility as an argument. Firstly, in the context of the sentence using "senile" to describe someone who has an oppinion differing from your own is incorrect, and secondly you must realise that everyone has an oppinion. It is fair to say that you yourself do not like the game and give reasons why, but attempting to insult someone because their opinion differs from yours is arrogant.
Claiming the game will hit #1 is not arrogant or being blind to the facts? How stupid can one get? lol. I suggest you re-read the thread. You have no idea what you are talking about.
i suggest YOU go back and re-read what i wrote. I never stated that claiming the game would never be #1 was arrogant. I play and love the game and myself know it isn't going to make number 1. I said it was arrogant to insult people who enjoyed the game just because one opinion is different from another. Apparantly in your case, one can get quite stupid.
i suggest YOU go back and re-read what i wrote. I never stated that claiming the game would never be #1 was arrogant. I play and love the game and myself know it isn't going to make number 1. I said it was arrogant to insult people who enjoyed the game just because one opinion is different from another. Apparantly in your case, one can get quite stupid.
I said it was stupid to claim the game will hit #1. I have no idea what the heck you are talking about here "I never stated that claiming the game would never be #1 was arrogant." So stop frothing at the mouth and state your points clearly.
That long pain in the butt stuff is what I feel makes this game fun to play just because it is one not the same for every contentient and two something to make you think out what you are going to do.
It is those very challenges that give me an adreniline rush and set this game apart form others that are out there thus in my eyes making it a great game to play and I continue to do so and encourage others to do the same.
Again this game is not for those that like easy games like WoW due mainly to what you yourself posted previously.
A MMO is like life. It is something to cherish and enjoy upon in it journey. So why race to the end of it. In life at the end you die.
All things considered sure, the game has some heafty system requirements. That doesn't however make it a bad game for those people who meet or are willing to meet those requirements.
As far as the complicated level that you say is not there, how about you show me how you have mastered the game before I take your word for it. Anyone can log into a game, play until they become frustrated with a set of rules and then log into a message board and spout a bunch of crap. I would much rather take my advice, however, from someone who can back their words up with something a bit much substantial than cliched wise cracks and inflamitory insults. I'm not mad at you. I just don't think that your opinion counts as much as mine is all.
Let's ignore smart-ass comments for now. My apologies.
I have played the game till level 40+ in crafting and 34+ in adventuring. Let me describe an incident during the start of my gaming in Vanguard.
edited for space.....
Ok man, looking at it from your perspective I can understand why you in particular might have the feelings about the game that you do. Keep in mind though that from the outset though, you took the two most difficult races to play in the game with an expectation of an easy experience. Both Orc and Dark elf are meant to be more of a challenge than all the other races in the world and what you consider to be design flaws (now this is only speculation so I'm not married to this idea) may in fact just be an attempt by the game to have those races intergrate themselves from a lower point in faction just as it would have the Kojan's the the Half-Elves attempt to make peace with the orcs who inhabit the same land. This in and of itself makes choosing Orc, Dark Elves, and Evil Kojans one of races "more complicated" to play?
Going on that theory it would then stand to reason that maybe the game was "too complicated" for you and not "too easy" as you say. It also supports what I said earlier about the investment it asked of you and your response to it which in your own words said it was too much to ask.
As for the bugs, no one is going to argue with you on that. No one. If you quit on that and that alone I support you 100%. Someone has to do something about that and it is your responsibility to not pay into the beast (even though I do LOL).
I don't know dude. If you didn't like it I am sure you had your reasons just as I have my reasons for liking it. But then I don't play these games to win, I play them to socialize, face and overcome challenges either alone or with others, and to simply have fun. The things that used to annoy me the most, buggy releases, not understanding the vision, they don't bother me so much anymore as much as not having a good game to play. VG is a good game in spite of being more of the same that we have come to expect from the industry. It, to me, make the best attempt at bringing all the finer parts of all the other titles together that I have seen to date.
In EQ2 tradeskilling for me was a matter of picking ingredients and then druming three keys with my fingers while I looked at TV. The tradeskilling in this game is a lot more complicated than that for sure. And I would like to add that we all have to keep in mind when we play these games that everyone is not as smart or prepared as some of us are and to make the games too complicated is just as big a shot in the foot as making them too easy.
There are people I know to this day who have maxed out characters and still don't know their arse from a hole in the ground and they all pay their monthly too. The thing about VG though is that you at least have a choice to play the game in a more challenging way than the basic new player is going to play it. I can respect that.
If you play VG, you do respect and appreciate the fact its potential is underdeveloped.
Is potential good enough to subscribe? hells no.
Is it good enough to remain subscribed? NO.
Is it good enough to keep an eye on the game for a bit? I think so. Yes. Why not? It has vast potential, not fulfilled, which can be fulfilled with resources and creativity. So, I am remaining subscribed, I do not suggest you do unless you want to.
I should be clear: I remain subscribed because I have fun in the game. I just actually logged off where a group of friends of mine and I, mostly guildmates, owned several named targets. yes. SOME raid content is in the game, btw. Anyway, I like the game. It is fun. IT is not the best on the market, but it has the most potential of all the games on the market.
Yup, you put my thoughts into perspective perfectly!
Originally posted by swordmark45BULL. I was there both had performance issues. WoW didn't come out of a major memory leak issue until the end of the 6th month and DAoC was having similiar issues in the PvP zone, it was so bad they had to shut down the PvP zone for a week or two, I don't make up stuff.
Completely off the Vanguard topic; while I remember WoW clearly having issues at release, I don't recall the PvP zones in DAoC ever being shut down for longer than server maintenance, and I played it from release with a very active PvP-centric guild. Could you give the dates of the weeks the PvP areas were shut down? I honestly do not recall that ever happening in a little over a year of play, beginning at release.
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BULL. I was there both had performance issues. WoW didn't come out of a major memory leak issue until the end of the 6th month and DAoC was having similiar issues in the PvP zone, it was so bad they had to shut down the PvP zone for a week or two, I don't make up stuff.
Completely off the Vanguard topic; while I remember WoW clearly having issues at release, I don't recall the PvP zones in DAoC ever being shut down for longer than server maintenance, and I played it from release with a very active PvP-centric guild. Could you give the dates of the weeks the PvP areas were shut down? I honestly do not recall that ever happening in a little over a year of play, beginning at release.
It has been to long to remember dates but I do know that it REALLY did happen.
Edit: To norrow it down it was within the first 3 months after release.
A MMO is like life. It is something to cherish and enjoy upon in it journey. So why race to the end of it. In life at the end you die.
Hey if you like the game then fine keep paying and playing, good for you! I always thought V:SoH could scrape up around 200K subs, its a great looking game with potential. But if you are hoping that SoE will be able to tap into that potential then I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I want to sell you.
I had such high hopes for this game (but like DnL) it was largely a disappointment. Lots of hype and promise but little delivered. I played EQ and WoW and yes there were glitches and bugs like every game. EQ was buggier longer then WoW which was about as buggy as LoTRO (maybe a tiny bit more) and DnL was prob one of the worst in respects to quality/bugs. V:SoH is definately buggier then EQ/WoW/LoTRO but nowhere near as bad as DnL.
Like I said if you like this type of game then bully for you! Just IMHO it will have a hard time keeping the number of subs to keep this game running well. With all of SoE problems I don't know if they will keep a drain on the books for too long. But hey, time will tell eh? We'll see in a few years.
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You lost me when you said... PVE.... won't play anymore games focused on PVE endgames.... we've had enough EQ-WOW-VG's for now....As to lore comparisons.... history is boring... WAR lore is fun....
Dont get me wrong i will play WAR and have been TT for years.I am a PVP to the core and played DAOC for 3 years.When i mentioned PVE it was to put it across that its just like Vanguard as in a PVE game which might have 1-2 PVP but it is a PVE game.
Anyone who thinks this game wont get some of vanguards subs is wrong lol.What happens when this joins SOE game list and its spread all over there site and is part of the Gasmecard option lol people from soe station will be all over this game like a rash.
I am not saying that Vanguard will burn and die.I am just saying its going to take a hell of a long time to turn this around,there is just to much coming out later this year.Have they missed there chance?i dont no but if these server merges dont work its all downhill from there.
This would be a shame because it is a beautiful world but they have left out the one thing that helps these game succeed...FUN.....
a) you've never played an MMO before and don't know what to expect.
b) You haven't spent more than 30 seconds exploring or looking for anything at all. (or perhaps you bought gold which took all the fun out of the game?)
And stating that the game is "loaded down with bugs" and exhibits a "crappy design" to me shows how little time you have actually spent playing the game - a largely immature argument - and that perhaps you havent played it since release...A large portion of the detrimental bugs have been remedied. Oh, and i suggest you revise your use of sinnility as an argument. Firstly, in the context of the sentence using "senile" to describe someone who has an oppinion differing from your own is incorrect, and secondly you must realise that everyone has an oppinion. It is fair to say that you yourself do not like the game and give reasons why, but attempting to insult someone because their opinion differs from yours is arrogant.
a) you've never played an MMO before and don't know what to expect.
b) You haven't spent more than 30 seconds exploring or looking for anything at all. (or perhaps you bought gold which took all the fun out of the game?)
And stating that the game is "loaded down with bugs" and exhibits a "crappy design" to me shows how little time you have actually spent playing the game - a largely immature argument - and that perhaps you havent played it since release...A large portion of the detrimental bugs have been remedied. Oh, and i suggest you revise your use of sinnility as an argument. Firstly, in the context of the sentence using "senile" to describe someone who has an oppinion differing from your own is incorrect, and secondly you must realise that everyone has an oppinion. It is fair to say that you yourself do not like the game and give reasons why, but attempting to insult someone because their opinion differs from yours is arrogant.
Claiming the game will hit #1 is not arrogant or being blind to the facts? How stupid can one get? lol. I suggest you re-read the thread. You have no idea what you are talking about.
I like vanguard.
Huge fantasy sandbox. Great world. Great classes. Fun combat.
Boycott EA Games. RIP Sim City.
The addiction doesn't start until you realize that levels 1-30 were only the free hits that it took to get you hooked. On a subconcious level people are leaving because that is pretty scary. For those of us who stayed though, the buzz is as good as gold.
As for it being a basic game only trying to be complicated. I submit that it is a complicated game only attempting to be understood in a very basic kind of way.
Go see for your self. Talk to people. Find a good guild. Join the crafting channel. And have fun. I play on Shidreth. We welcome you to come.
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People left and are leaving because there is no compelling reasons to do so. There are many better games out there. People are also leaving because graphics/RAM requirements are way above the norm among other reasons. Suggesting that it is some sort of a 'scare' is just ... lol ... ignorant and sprouting nonsense.
As for "As for it being a basic game only trying to be complicated. I submit that it is a complicated game only attempting to be understood in a very basic kind of way." What kind of crack are you on? You mean like Auto Assault ... ?
Just maybe people have played it and have declared it a piece of junk.
A serious discussion must be premised on the facts.
(1) Game was released too early
(2) Game does have a lot of potential
(3) Not many people other than those on station passes play the game.
If SOE does not perform a miracle, the game is - over.
Boycott EA Games. RIP Sim City.
Okay so here's the deal. I liked Ultima Online. I enjoyed EQ1. I had fun in Shadowbane and the City of.. games. EQ2 wasn't really what I was hoping for and WoW's proved entertaining at times and just boring at others.
I'm a MMO player who's pretty much sick of the genre as a whole. But I enjoy grouping and playing these games the best I can.
So Vanguard and I. Now I've not followed it closely. I didn't buy it at launch. I didn't care that SoE took over control of the game.
This is what I'm looking for. Can I role-play in the game? If I play one class / race combo will it play too similar to my next class / race combo? Are the stats of my character and my play style very equipment dependent? As far as factions go? If I'm a rogue and I need to infiltrate the city I'm at odds with to get a quest done will there be some system in store to crush me? If I choose to go to a non-PvP server are there still optional PvP areas? Plus do GMs do events? On top of that.. Can I make my warrior a bow based ranged damager? Or do the classes have a heavy restriction on what weapons I can perform well with?
There, I'm listening and I love and hate what I've heard about this game.
I got a somewhat older machine. 3 gig ht intel processor, 128 video memory Geforce 6800 8x AGP, and two gigs of ram. Plus I travel and I generally get free time on dial up, is there any way that'd work? Or am I stationed only at home?
I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.
People left and are leaving because there is no compelling reasons to do so. There are many better games out there. People are also leaving because graphics/RAM requirements are way above the norm among other reasons. Suggesting that it is some sort of a 'scare' is just ... lol ... ignorant and sprouting nonsense.
As for "As for it being a basic game only trying to be complicated. I submit that it is a complicated game only attempting to be understood in a very basic kind of way." What kind of crack are you on? You mean like Auto Assault ... ?
Just maybe people have played it and have declared it a piece of junk.
All things considered sure, the game has some heafty system requirements. That doesn't however make it a bad game for those people who meet or are willing to meet those requirements.
As far as the complicated level that you say is not there, how about you show me how you have mastered the game before I take your word for it. Anyone can log into a game, play until they become frustrated with a set of rules and then log into a message board and spout a bunch of crap. I would much rather take my advice, however, from someone who can back their words up with something a bit much substantial than cliched wise cracks and inflamitory insults.
I'm not mad at you. I just don't think that your opinion counts as much as mine is all.
Let's ignore smart-ass comments for now. My apologies.
I have played the game till level 40+ in crafting and 34+ in adventuring. Let me describe an incident during the start of my gaming in Vanguard.
Vanguard was brand new. Booted it up, made a tailor as a Kojani Human. Found out I needed more RAM and a better graphics card. I rushed out, got an extra gig and a new card. I then found out the graphics is pretty much the same with a little bit more fps and a bit more shadow here and there. That is fine because I don't care as much about the graphics as gameplay.
At level 11, I discovered that in order to do the tier quest (to get the next tier recipe), I had to speak to a trainer in Martok-land. Orc/Goblin (residents of Martok) are racial enemies of the Kojani Humans so I thought that's a bit rough. Fine. I can handle it. I then found out the teleporter to Martok doesn't work for Kojani Humans. Damn. Now I need a boat except the game is new and no one is making a boat. Ok fine. I will swim there. So I started swimming. Mind you I was level 11 crafter / level 10 adventurer. Then I hit the dreaded chunking problem. Fine I can take that after all I have already already commited to tailoring. Even if each chunk takes 10 mins to load it will be done in a couple of hours. No biggie. I swam a few chunks and found out most of the chunks are empty. That again is cool becuase the game is new and no all areas populated. Then suddenly, immediately upon chunking, I agro a level 40+ mob (some ostrich looking thing) who rushed me and killed me in 1-2 blows... probably a hit kill. At that time I was already moving backward by reflex and I died. As I died, I also happen to fall off the cliff which also happen to be where the chunk line were. So here I am dying, falling and chunking at the same lol. Needless to say i ended up in the next chunk after minutes of loading with my dead body lying on the ground but I am ALSO up and alive with no HP. The HP bar is blank. So thought wow ... perhaps its a bug and I can get to Martok in a 'ghost' form. I then ran a few chunks only to be teleported back to Tanvu. DOH !!!!.. I have no idea what happened here. I guess it was a rollback of some form but my items are on my tombstone. Fine, I retrieve my tombstone, got my equipment back and tried again AND again with no apparent success. I then read on the forum that the trainer is bugged and is on top of a hill which is only reachable BY flying or someone throwing down the rope. In addition, I would also need to kill 200+ mobs in order to earn the faction to talk to the trainer. This was rediculous. In addition, this was acknowledged as a bug with no fix date specified. So it could be 4 weeks before it gets fixed. Or it could be the next day.... This sort of wait is not bearable or is it acceptable. It was fixed around 2-3 weeks later but the point was moot (see below).
Let's see what's wrong here.
1. On Thestra, the tailors get the Tier 2 recipes without combat at all. Just stroll down to the next town. Mind you, I am level 10 or so and I wasn't expecting to jump hoops like this at this level. I am ok if the rest of the tailors are required to jump hoops of similar difficulty.
2. I need to grind faction so that the Orcs and Goblins can teach me how to sew some cloths ???? Do you mean the Kojanis have no tailor-trainers that can teach T2 recipes but have trainers to teach higher tier recipes? This makes no sense at all. This clearly CLEARLY showed that someone decided that trainer-NPCs should be spread out over the continent and shove one into each town. It is also clear that a different person went and stuck in the factions. Unfortunately in this case, it doesn't gel at all in a meaningful way.
3. There are so many issues during that time that, as a player, it is not possible to know when it would be fixed.
So continue-ing on, I decided not to wait but to roll another tailor since L11 wasn't too hard at all. This time I went as a Dark Elf. Main reason: I like the little mini dragon that followed you around. When I hit L11, I found I need to grind factions to visit the halfling village. Good grief. Halflings are a racial enemies and now I have to be friendly to them? According to the lores, I should wipe them out on sight. Again, it clearly shows the design has issues. So fine, I bit the bullet and grind up my tailor.
Then came the complications. After some tinkering, I manage to figure the best combo of attributes and gear so it because a nuisance. I got it down to 2 keys that would pretty much load the table, and craft to the end just pressing 111111222222. The only exception is complications have to be handled manually. Complications was a challenge until i figured out the attribute distribution. After that it is just a grind. At each level, just adjust either the gear and some attributes until the desired values are reach. Takes all of 10-15 mins. Then I m set for the level and its just 11111222222. How exactly is that complicated?
Then duping hits. I was rolling around in cash. Even before duping hits, I was rolling in cash compare to the adventurers and I was just making bags. I had the cloak market cornered to except bags was selling like hotcakes that I didn't even have time to make cloaks. How exactly is this game difficult?
The most difficult crafting I have every come across was SWG Bio Engineer. I was making 5th-6th generation pets that were uber beyond belief. Just 2-3 generations was difficult enough. Even harvesting in SWG is complex. You need to know which resources are good for what products based on a combination of 10 or so stats which changes every week. In addition, you also need to balance the yield you can extract from the ground vs the quality. For example, would you extract 9 resources of med-high quality or 2 resources of very high quality or some combination of both? The location for harvesting and the harvest materials changes every week or so again. This forces you to explore every week. This gives MEANING to exploration. Vanguard harvesting/crafting system, by comparison, is kid's play. Not only it is simple, it is loaded with grindage. You do not make any significant decisions. When a complication pops up, you pick the best action to clear it. After a few times, you will pretty much learn which is the best method to clear it. After that it is mindless grind. Level after level there is no difference. You can work it out in a few mins. Vanguard crafting is basic is nature attempting to look complex via complications. Sorry it is thumbs down for system design.
While on the topic of Dark Elves, have u see Pankor Zhi (the fortress on top of the hill)? When I visit it (for one of my tier quests - I can't remember which one now) It is loaded with NPCs that does nothing. A whole city full of it. The 2 dragons are a nice touch but the area is incomplete. It should have been shutoff from the general population.
I can go on and on but I will spare you.
So you have:
1. Performance Issues that leads to people unable to play. This reduces the overall population which is bad. The negative publicity also stop people from trying so again it is all round negative in impact.
2. Unfinish zones leading to bad first impressions for a lot of people.
3. Bugs.
4. Inconsistent world design e.g. dark elves have to go to halflings village to learn tier 2 recipes?
5. Inability to deal with duped gold.
6. Insistent that complications in crafting is the factor that makes it complex. Please.... it can be complex only for the really daff.
7. PvP ... pls... that's a joke.
8. Claims that Vanguard graphics are top notched. Please, I have seen better graphics in older games e.g. Guild Wars. Character models are ugly like shit. If not ugly, at best, they are boring.
9. Fellowship?
10. AES?
11. Ownable flying mounts...
12. Meaningful travel?
13. Houses are ugly...
I can go on and on but I will spare you ... Vanguard is poorly design and is in not way deep. With its low population and the upcoming competing games (regardless whether they are good or successful), Vanguard is in NO WAY heading to #1. ... rofl... that is really delusional ... or truly blind.
I will grant you one thing though. If you are slow and take you own sweet time, Vanguard might be a tolerable way to kill some time. If you are sharp and prepared in your gaming, the flaws are all too apparent as you go through the game. In fact, come to think of it, this game might be great for folks who are jack of all trades and who do not excel at anything.
This post reminds of the the days in Auto Assault, it faces the same problem and Vanguard is following its path 101%. Since SOE is famous to keep up zombie MMO alive, lets see what they can do to Vanguard in time to come.
All canceled. Waiting on Warhammer Online : Age of Reckoning.
I played it in beta, I bought it at release, and I liked it. I even hyped it. Here we have a pretty innovative game with a huge somewhat seamless world in a genre that's rapidly filling up with clones or instanced games.
However, Vanguard is a pretty buggy game. For many people, it's unacceptably buggy. It's about a 50/50 toss up, check out any player review compilation for Vanguard and you'll see it in their score - about 50% bad, 50% good. Unfortunately, 50% for a MMORPG is less than 10% retention rate, since these things are too heavily based on the bandwagon effect. In other words, if half your friends quit, you're not likely to stick around and it just snowballs from there.
I'm currently not subscribed to Vanguard, I'm subscribed to City of Heroes. City of Heroes rocks, especially with the addition of an economy in Issue 9, and Issue 10 is coming much faster than I expected it would. If you're looking for a MMORPG that accentuates the G, the game, City of Heroes is your best bet.
However, I'm kinda bored of City of Heroes. I might resubscribe to Vanguard. I've been considering it - it's a very innovative MMORPG, after all. However, for me to do this I think a few things would have to happen:
1) I want the game to be a smooth, polished experience. Crash to desktop bugs? Get rid of them. Performance? Smooth it out - I should be able to load a major city quickly and easily. Make it play more like a game and less like an experiment.
2) I'm waiting until after the server merge. The world of Vanguard is too huge to suffer a low population. Seriously, this game world is so huge it should be a uni-server game, perhaps with PvP restricted to zones.
3) I hear the upper level content is just cut and paste. Fix that. I wouldn't do it as an expansion - the world is huge enough already. Instead, take all that virtual real-estate and enhance it. Enhance it with dynamic, meaningful content, the kind MMORPG dreams are made of. I don't expect you to do this right away - just a sign that it's being worked on would suffice.
It's not too late. Anarchy Online bounced back, after all, and I know their launch was even worse than Vanguards by several magnitudes.
G&H isn't a SoE game afaik. Is it because SoE is going to publish it, you say that ?
If you are still in Vanguard after all the troubles the title have had, I don't think you are going to leave it for G&H. The games are just too different.
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If you play VG, you do respect and appreciate the fact its potential is underdeveloped.
Is potential good enough to subscribe? hells no.
Is it good enough to remain subscribed? NO.
Is it good enough to keep an eye on the game for a bit? I think so. Yes. Why not? It has vast potential, not fulfilled, which can be fulfilled with resources and creativity. So, I am remaining subscribed, I do not suggest you do unless you want to.
I should be clear: I remain subscribed because I have fun in the game. I just actually logged off where a group of friends of mine and I, mostly guildmates, owned several named targets. yes. SOME raid content is in the game, btw. Anyway, I like the game. It is fun. IT is not the best on the market, but it has the most potential of all the games on the market.
Boycott EA Games. RIP Sim City.
a) you've never played an MMO before and don't know what to expect.
b) You haven't spent more than 30 seconds exploring or looking for anything at all. (or perhaps you bought gold which took all the fun out of the game?)
And stating that the game is "loaded down with bugs" and exhibits a "crappy design" to me shows how little time you have actually spent playing the game - a largely immature argument - and that perhaps you havent played it since release...A large portion of the detrimental bugs have been remedied. Oh, and i suggest you revise your use of sinnility as an argument. Firstly, in the context of the sentence using "senile" to describe someone who has an oppinion differing from your own is incorrect, and secondly you must realise that everyone has an oppinion. It is fair to say that you yourself do not like the game and give reasons why, but attempting to insult someone because their opinion differs from yours is arrogant.
Claiming the game will hit #1 is not arrogant or being blind to the facts? How stupid can one get? lol. I suggest you re-read the thread. You have no idea what you are talking about.
i suggest YOU go back and re-read what i wrote. I never stated that claiming the game would never be #1 was arrogant. I play and love the game and myself know it isn't going to make number 1. I said it was arrogant to insult people who enjoyed the game just because one opinion is different from another. Apparantly in your case, one can get quite stupid.
I said it was stupid to claim the game will hit #1. I have no idea what the heck you are talking about here "I never stated that claiming the game would never be #1 was arrogant." So stop frothing at the mouth and state your points clearly.
Just to let ya know Zooomg.
For your long posting on page 4 of the thread.
That long pain in the butt stuff is what I feel makes this game fun to play just because it is one not the same for every contentient and two something to make you think out what you are going to do.
It is those very challenges that give me an adreniline rush and set this game apart form others that are out there thus in my eyes making it a great game to play and I continue to do so and encourage others to do the same.
Again this game is not for those that like easy games like WoW due mainly to what you yourself posted previously.
A MMO is like life. It is something to cherish and enjoy upon in it journey. So why race to the end of it. In life at the end you die.
Let's ignore smart-ass comments for now. My apologies.
I have played the game till level 40+ in crafting and 34+ in adventuring. Let me describe an incident during the start of my gaming in Vanguard.
edited for space.....
Ok man, looking at it from your perspective I can understand why you in particular might have the feelings about the game that you do. Keep in mind though that from the outset though, you took the two most difficult races to play in the game with an expectation of an easy experience. Both Orc and Dark elf are meant to be more of a challenge than all the other races in the world and what you consider to be design flaws (now this is only speculation so I'm not married to this idea) may in fact just be an attempt by the game to have those races intergrate themselves from a lower point in faction just as it would have the Kojan's the the Half-Elves attempt to make peace with the orcs who inhabit the same land. This in and of itself makes choosing Orc, Dark Elves, and Evil Kojans one of races "more complicated" to play?
Going on that theory it would then stand to reason that maybe the game was "too complicated" for you and not "too easy" as you say. It also supports what I said earlier about the investment it asked of you and your response to it which in your own words said it was too much to ask.
As for the bugs, no one is going to argue with you on that. No one. If you quit on that and that alone I support you 100%. Someone has to do something about that and it is your responsibility to not pay into the beast (even though I do LOL).
I don't know dude. If you didn't like it I am sure you had your reasons just as I have my reasons for liking it. But then I don't play these games to win, I play them to socialize, face and overcome challenges either alone or with others, and to simply have fun. The things that used to annoy me the most, buggy releases, not understanding the vision, they don't bother me so much anymore as much as not having a good game to play. VG is a good game in spite of being more of the same that we have come to expect from the industry. It, to me, make the best attempt at bringing all the finer parts of all the other titles together that I have seen to date.
In EQ2 tradeskilling for me was a matter of picking ingredients and then druming three keys with my fingers while I looked at TV. The tradeskilling in this game is a lot more complicated than that for sure. And I would like to add that we all have to keep in mind when we play these games that everyone is not as smart or prepared as some of us are and to make the games too complicated is just as big a shot in the foot as making them too easy.
There are people I know to this day who have maxed out characters and still don't know their arse from a hole in the ground and they all pay their monthly too. The thing about VG though is that you at least have a choice to play the game in a more challenging way than the basic new player is going to play it. I can respect that.
Yup, you put my thoughts into perspective perfectly!
Completely off the Vanguard topic; while I remember WoW clearly having issues at release, I don't recall the PvP zones in DAoC ever being shut down for longer than server maintenance, and I played it from release with a very active PvP-centric guild. Could you give the dates of the weeks the PvP areas were shut down? I honestly do not recall that ever happening in a little over a year of play, beginning at release.
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Completely off the Vanguard topic; while I remember WoW clearly having issues at release, I don't recall the PvP zones in DAoC ever being shut down for longer than server maintenance, and I played it from release with a very active PvP-centric guild. Could you give the dates of the weeks the PvP areas were shut down? I honestly do not recall that ever happening in a little over a year of play, beginning at release.
It has been to long to remember dates but I do know that it REALLY did happen.
Edit: To norrow it down it was within the first 3 months after release.
A MMO is like life. It is something to cherish and enjoy upon in it journey. So why race to the end of it. In life at the end you die.
If anything I think the op was being overly kind and generous in he's review. This game is a complete failure in its highest form.
Hey if you like the game then fine keep paying and playing, good for you! I always thought V:SoH could scrape up around 200K subs, its a great looking game with potential. But if you are hoping that SoE will be able to tap into that potential then I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I want to sell you.
I had such high hopes for this game (but like DnL) it was largely a disappointment. Lots of hype and promise but little delivered. I played EQ and WoW and yes there were glitches and bugs like every game. EQ was buggier longer then WoW which was about as buggy as LoTRO (maybe a tiny bit more) and DnL was prob one of the worst in respects to quality/bugs. V:SoH is definately buggier then EQ/WoW/LoTRO but nowhere near as bad as DnL.
Like I said if you like this type of game then bully for you! Just IMHO it will have a hard time keeping the number of subs to keep this game running well. With all of SoE problems I don't know if they will keep a drain on the books for too long. But hey, time will tell eh? We'll see in a few years.