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GIMME BACK MY IMPERATOR DEVS!
Anofalye
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And the goal to developp a specific server with rules to please: PvE-groupers (and maybe soloers)!
When they change work from Imperator to Warhammer, I don't know much of what happen there...but the devs who where designing Imperator are NOT working much on the design of WAR or they are limited.
Give that team, whoever they where, the right and obligation to developp a specific server, with rules, to appeal to PvE players. These devs rocks. I actually believe in them.
WAR is currently failing at appealing the PvEers, they even go as far as saying: If you don't like PvP don't play WAR! WTF! This isn't acceptable talks. Damage control NOW! Bring good devs who understand PvE with whatever limited budget you want to limit them, and the freaking right to developp a specific server to appeal to PvE-groupers!
Yeah, Anofalye may lack a lot and proposes stuff that works more or less...but these devs, whoever they are...judging from the Imperator docs, they would know what to do. They would know how to get the PvEers interested into WAR.
There are still enough time before release; it is mostly a job of DESIGN, as to the programming, specific servers require 1 or 2 programmers and that is it...could even be a new programmer, heck...but WAR really needs to adjust itself. AoC won't be getting many PvE fans...the other titles coming don't seems promising PvE wise in the same release period as WAR. Getting the PvE fans isn't that hard...but you need to understand the basics as to how to motivate them. You don't need to create the whole game differently or to change everything, but you certainly needs to make some serious changes...even if some won't be in by release, just understanding they would be fixed and adjusted in time is enough to get the PvEers.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
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Sorry, I'd love to, but they're programming my vcr clock, right now.
Why should they cater to pve players when the've stated that the game is "purely" pvp, and there are other games for pve players?
there are way more pve games than pvp games go play one of those. we dont go cry about pvp in games that are strictly meant for pve. at least i dont. get over it and play something else. its made for pvp.
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Heaven forbid they make a game with a target audience...
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WAR will have PvE, and plenty of it, but the main focus is obviously on PvP. This is an MMORPG it is supposed to be realistic and the most realistic combat you'll get is through PvP! I'm glad that WAR is making the game PvP based, PvE becomes so disgustingly boring. I also think it's great that they are trying to turn PvEers away now instead of later. I think they are doing a great job designing this game and hope they keep it up and bring this game to be the best it can.
The market is flooded with PvE games that all result in the same thing...gear grinding through repetitive instances and raids so take your pick. The rest of us would like to have at least 1 great PvP game and I believe that will be WAR and possibly some others coming out. The developers have made their mission statement very clear. The game will have PvE but it will be in the form of public quests and missions that directly affect the game world. Keep up the good developers.
From Warhammeronline.com -
"For the first time, WAR's RvR system integrates both Player vs. Player (PvP) combat and Player vs. Environment (PvE) quests on the same map. Every aspect of the game, including PvE missions, is geared towards the greater war in some important way. However, players are not required to participate in PvP combat, and may aid in the RvR war effort and enjoy the game in its entirety via PvE content"
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Warhammer is well aware that the PvE audience is a HUGE market. If you don't think they are after some of those 7 million WoW players, well your just fooling yourself.
The main question, based on what I have read from those who prefer to PvE is, will the PvE style of play keep them in line with those that prefer the PvP style and will there be enough content to keep the PvE player playing the game. I refer to PvP and PvE as styles of play, not only types of game play. i think we all can agree, the PvP Player has a different skill set then the PvE player as does the PvE player versus the PvP Player. Not better, not worse, just different.
Since the game has a ways to go before release, its hard to see whats going to happen. I know they want the PvE Market, its a matter of will they or can they pull off a game thats well rounded enough to capture both audiences.
Ppl who are allergic to pvp should prolly play another game, there are plenty of PvE games, like DDO and LotRo...
You say PVE is boring but it does not have to be that way. What makes WOW's PVE boring to you is its heavy reliance on getting gear. The devs need the grinding/timesinks to give themselves time to add more gear/loot. If the game was not so gear orientated, the grinding could be reduced.
I like PVE AND PVP... it depends on my mood which I want to do at any given time. World PVP (not instanced) is great fun, especially if its done in a realistic manner.
What I mean by that is this: I go to some town or whatever on a quest, but find its under siege. I help the defenders hold off the bad guys (other players not npc), and get rewards for doing so, as well as continuing my quest once the town is safe.
That would feel more "real" to me. That's why I like the siege stuff coming in WAR. The instanced scenarios do worry me a little. They sound well thought out, but Paul did mention players being shunted into a kind of lobby while the are matched up against the opposing faction. That sounds iffy to me. It could break up the immersion in the game
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Well, they haven't stated that it is "PURELY" RvR. There will be some PvE in the game, but the focus of endgame will be RvR. The PvE will be for players to do as an aside I would think.
@ the OP...There are plenty of games on the market right now that are designed specifically for PvE, and PvPers are put on the back burner. This game is, unfortunately for yourself, will be the opposite of the traditional PvE so you can PvP mindset.
Screw PvEers!
Not that it's always a waste of time -- sometimes I am in the mood for it. But not enough that I'm dying for a game that's focused on PVP.
As for your comment ... I could just as easily make the assertion that people who hate PvE have simply never played a decent PvE game. More likely, those people focus too much on leveling up rather than enjoying the game. It's only a grind if XP is the only thing you care about.
And don't waste your time telling me to go play another game. I never really intended to play WAR. I'm just writing this to challenge some common misconceptions about why people like or dislike PvP or PvE. The answer is not that one is better than the other. The answer is, people play MMOGs for a wide variety of reasons. Anyone who can't understand that is a very small, childish creature.
First off...WAR is not failing at appealing to PvEers. Have you looked at what they have to offer outside PvP? Obviously not. And the devs have said atleast a thousand times now, its all about war! It is called WAR because it is war! What dont u understand about that? So if u dont like the PvE, go play WoW and spend the rest of your life raiding for 5 hours only to find yourself lose a roll at the end and then have those 5 hours gone to waste. Yes...you can have this bullshit you call PvE.
Anafoyle, you really should give up
I understand that you want a pve centric game in warhammer universe. That however will never happens while mythic is holding the license. So, just give up, war will be an rvr focused game with some fun pve (but not long lasting due to lack of timesinks which are not needed since the game is rvr based) If you feel that that's not good enaugh for you, then just look for a different game.
And no, warhammer is not failing to appeal to pve crowed, they are specifiacally designing a game that will not appeal to a pve crowd. Or at least not to the kind of pve crowd that you represent. For me, after looking at quest pod cast and their description of public quests, it seems like war will have the best pve for a casual player. Porbably not the best for pve raiders, but for casual players, seems like war will be awesome (which given that it's an rvr game is already more than one could ask)
WAR is not currently failing to appeal to PvEers. A lot of my friends both in RL and from past games are looking forward to WAR not because of the PvP but because of the things like public quests and X-Mas quests. Then there are some like me who are interested in both. I don't like to PvP all the time but I want some form of action besides mindlessly beating on a computer controlled monster. WAR is failing to appeal to you specifically. And it seems to me that, to you, that is just unacceptable. WAR is goign to be RvR. There's going to be both PvE and PvP. If you don't like the PvE then you shouldn't play the game. There are plenty of games out there that could suit your needs...maybe you should spend some time and energy looking for them instead of trying to change a game concept that is pretty much set in stone.
Do a Google search on "Warhammer Public Quests" . Read the articles. Watch the videos.
WAR is based on the RvR conflict and PvP is a mainstay of that, but they are also trying things with PvE that have never been done.
But if you're looking for huge, multi-hour PvE raids in Instances, not going to happen. Been done in plenty of other games.
How about you guys just try the game when it comes out or if you get in beta and judge for yourselves instead of relying on someone elses opinions. The games going to be great, trust me. There, feel better now that someone has told you it will be a great game?
I know i dont care what anyone says about the game I will be playing it no matter what.
"Of course, you don’t have to PvP – but you’ll be missing out a lot from the game if you don’t. There are plenty of quests out there, as well as stories to be told – each race will have their own arc, as well as each zone, and even each server!"
www.gamersinfo.net/index.php
You will be able to play this game 100% PvE if you want. But that's not what the focus of the game is. What you are asking is for Mythic to dump all the work they've done to this point and change the entire focus of the game. Get off it already. W.A.R. is all about war. PvP is the main focus of the game. I'm sorry you don't like that. Just deal with that fact and get over it already.
You all talk either as:
- If a specific server would ruins your game for some reason, remember that a specific server twist some aspect of the gameplay for itself and itself only, if it get more popular then the regular server and open a lot of other such server, it help the game, never hurting it.
- Talk as Brad and SoE, eh, try it, it is good for PvE, bla bla bla. Youhou, you are not fooling peoples and actually succeeding at fooling peoples is as bad as Brad.
- Most other games would really love to have my critics always underlining what is really annoying me in their game. Somehow, some of you seems to think that underlining WAR weakness is not good. If you want someone to improve where I live, you underline it weakness. If WAR can't adapt, then it won't replace WoW.
- To all the peoples saying that most MMOs are PvE...okay, let's do the following equation...remove all MMOs that are PvP centric or Raid centric on the left...what is left? My point exactly, not enought MMOs have a setting appealing to PvE groupers. Can't care less if SoE trash and SoE influence create 8342043439 games centered around raiding, including Gaheris server...I am focusing on GROUP-PvE...and only CoX are appealing to group PvEers...nothing else...soooo again, stop pretending I am lucky and have tons of PvE alternatives, you know pretty well that the PvE-grouping alternatives are scarses and rares...and WAR is just extending the desert again.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Who said anything about replacing WoW?
So YOU are gonna force mythic into making a game they don't want to?
PvE my hiney, if they want a PvP game, they can make a PvP game.
For some reason, I don't think the Devs are idiots, nor money hungry bastards
(Which is more than we can say about the mentality of OP apparently)
If you ever cared to listen to Pauls rabbling you'd realize he's like that because he LOVES his job and game. NOT because he wants You to pay for it.
Despite popular belief, there are actually dedicated artists that are just that.
Peter Molyneux is one of the few others too.
Capitalists.....
Played so far: 9Dragons, AO, AC, AC2, CoX, DAoC, DF, DnL, DR, DDO, Ent, EvE, EQ, EQ2, FoMK, FFO, Fury, GW, HG:L, HZ, L1, L2, M59, MU, NC1, NC2, PS, PT, R:O, RF:O, RYL, Ryzom, SL, SB, SW:G, TR, TCoS, MX:O, UO, VG, WAR, WoW...
It all sucked.
Okay, both sides need to put down the weapons and stop beating on each other...
PvE and PvP really don't mix and that's why we have the animosity...no one is better than the other, get over it.
Now on the subject, Imperator was not being worked on by this team, so asking them to pick it up is pointless. Imperator was put on hold because as they got to some critical milestones they realized the game was not fun. Not that PvE wasn't fun, the game was not fleshed out enough in it's background to make good gameplay. It MAY come back and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't have a very small team kicking it around behind closed doors (you wouldn't believe how may games are being worked on like that).
Let WAR be WAR and succeed or fail on it's own. PvP is a "niche" audience and letting them have 2 titles (EvE being the other) won't kill anyone. And WAR still isn't their perfect goal, it's not FFA PvP...they can't be tier 4 and go beat on tier 1 characters..so their gank squads have no utility.
So let me get this straight...you want mythic to take their time, money, and energy away from finishing their game JUST so they can make a server that lets you enjoy your playstyle? Honestly do you have any idea how much time it takes to make a specific server with altered game mechanics? Yes it would take a while...probably six months. A specified server doesn't hurt other servers but it does take time and energy away from the true purpose of the game. And you want a different server just for you're playstyle? Yeah your not selfish or anything huh?
I love the line about how Most other games would love to have your critiques. You actually think in the grand scheme of design 1 opinion actually matters overall. Boy are you stuck on yourself.
Games that are PvE centric: UO, DDO, EQ2, CoX, DAoC, FFXI, SWG, and others, I'm just running out of time right now to list the rest. FFXI would probably be a good one for you since a lot of it is grouping.
In short this game is about WAR. the PvP is about the war effort, the PvE is about the war effort, exploring is about the war effort. It's all about WAR. If you don't like WAR don't play it. With only about 8 months to go I HIGHLY doubt they're going to change the game mechanics and go against what GW wants just so you get what you want.