I cant even get stuck to another game, everytime i try i get mid-high end level thne quit because the game blows, im testing lineage 2 right now but its not a game I can play non stop cause its 100% grinding, I've been playing swgemu but its not the same thing cause its not done yet and even when its done... ill always hate soe I refuse to buy any games from them anymore. They are a lying sneaky company that doesnt care about its player base. NGE fanboys reading this, say what you want but eventually your going to get screwed over just like we did, nge2 will come eventually
I cant even get stuck to another game, everytime i try i get mid-high end level thne quit because the game blows, im testing lineage 2 right now but its not a game I can play non stop cause its 100% grinding, I've been playing swgemu but its not the same thing cause its not done yet and even when its done... ill always hate soe I refuse to buy any games from them anymore. They are a lying sneaky company that doesnt care about its player base. NGE fanboys reading this, say what you want but eventually your going to get screwed over just like we did, nge2 will come eventually
I know exactly how you feel..
I still find myself wondering tho...
Was it Sony? or LA...
too bad we will never really know
Miataka (+many sub variation of that) ~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA) MiaTaka ~ RF On-line (Fire Server) -Mia- takahashi ~SWG (Europe-chimaera) Miataki Valeinca ~EQ 2 (everfrost) MiaTaka Soyinka ~Second Life
Originally posted by Aserhe Anyone else having the same trouble as me?
Star Wars Galaxies was my very first 'real' MMO I played, as a big fan of Star Wars I just loved everything about it, although it could've contained more star wars than it actually had in the beginning, it was my favorite waste of time.
My main SWG character means everything to me, he was created just the way I wanted and it feels like he's my other half, I've even considered switching my real name to Aserhe Ostaho to honor him! It might sound extreme in your ears but I've honestly heard crazier things.
I met my wife in this game, she and I are married now, this game means a lot to both of us, a lot doesn't even explain it, more like a whole lot.
Me and my friends who played that game still hang out together in Xfire and Ventrilo hopping from one MMO to another, but as soon as we mention Star Wars Galaxies it is as if we're dealing with a family members death. We reminisce and get depressed and low key for about an hour...
I just wish they would just pull the plug on it, it's tormenting me that SWG is still around with the 'NGE' on it, it makes me want to play, but if i do, I spawn in Mos Eisley and i see 27 newbie jedi twitching their heads around with wooden sticks in their hands...
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I do not wish Smedley and the other Sony Fatcats anything good in any way! Sony wrecked my game, and I think Sony wrecked a piece of my life as well...
For the love of god its a game nothing more nothing less..SOE/LA didnt take away the cure for cancer they changed a GAME..get some perspective please
Star Wars Galaxies was my very first 'real' MMO I played, as a big fan of Star Wars I just loved everything about it, although it could've contained more star wars than it actually had in the beginning, it was my favorite waste of time. My main SWG character means everything to me, he was created just the way I wanted and it feels like he's my other half, I've even considered switching my real name to Aserhe Ostaho to honor him! It might sound extreme in your ears but I've honestly heard crazier things. I met my wife in this game, she and I are married now, this game means a lot to both of us, a lot doesn't even explain it, more like a whole lot. Me and my friends who played that game still hang out together in Xfire and Ventrilo hopping from one MMO to another, but as soon as we mention Star Wars Galaxies it is as if we're dealing with a family members death. We reminisce and get depressed and low key for about an hour... I just wish they would just pull the plug on it, it's tormenting me that SWG is still around with the 'NGE' on it, it makes me want to play, but if i do, I spawn in Mos Eisley and i see 27 newbie jedi twitching their heads around with wooden sticks in their hands... ... I do not wish Smedley and the other Sony Fatcats anything good in any way!
Sony wrecked my game, and I think Sony wrecked a piece of my life as well...
For the love of god its a game nothing more nothing less..SOE/LA didnt take away the cure for cancer they changed a GAME..get some perspective please
Well, I agree with you to a point. However, I think MMO's need to be treated much differently than RPG's or sports games, or RTS's.
For one, you are playing this game continually, progressing a character you personally design. Secondly, you are paying monthly, sometimes you pay in advance, so the company needs to understand that this is an INVESTMENT of time and resources by the players.
Some people devoted 2+ years of their lives to SWG, paying $15/month for 24+months and spending hundreds of HOURS giving SOE their time and money. When you put the loss into perspective SOE really screwed up.
Think about how much time people work. 8 hours a day, 5 days a week? Well a lot of the players on here were playing this game as much as they work per week. It's incredible to think how unethical and foolish SOE was when they simply changed the game.
All they had to do was keep half the servers original, half NGE from the start. That would have avoided this whole mess.
I honestly wish people would stop telling us to get over it.... This is the Veterans forum for crying out loud, go and cry about us on the current forum if you want. If you can't understand the kind of pain SOE put us through by replacing our complex MMORPG UNIVERSE with your shoddy GRIND GAME then go and do some research, if you don't understand even after that, move on and leave us alone, I am sick to death of people who think that by flaunting they've played Pre-Cu about will make us any friendlier when they say "Wahhh Get over it, it's just a game" Normally I would get over it but there hasn't been another bloody game like Pre-Cu SWG was for YEARS and it's pissing me off that no developer hasn't seen the potential market yet.... Frigging morons...
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
I keep reading about how vets should get over it, so i go and download the free trial again (like the 3rd time in the last few years) i do all the missions on the space station and the geno cave, sorry gamma station. hit the ground to like 5 spammer's and 3 afk dancer's.
No community what so ever, well that was actually there anyways, so i ask the nge guys again, WHY DO YOU THINK THE NGE IS BETTER? Obvisously sales and subs prove that it's not. And before you say i'm making things up, please show me some stats. I can guess the subs are nowhere near Pre-CU. So if it was such a good move for them and it's so great where is everyone?
The game just flat sucks now and no amount of flaming and trying to talk it up will change my mind, it's nowhere even in the same league with Pre-CU. The ones that say it's just a game are the best tho, they cry about us supposedly crying, then say it's just a game, if so why bother with saying it. Why does it bother you whatever we say if it's just a game. You should get over people not agreeing with you about your sorry ass NGE. But if you think i'm wrong about subs and the lack of people please show me stats, like i said i went there and it was a ghost town everywhere, Theed, Eisley, Coronet, it was dead. I liked SWG flaws and all the way it was, it was a very fun game, now it's a poorly made WOW clone.
well its not like the holocaust , but we all need to remember and tell everyone what happend back to us 2005 and how $OE treated their costumers and destroyed the MMO world , basically an "MMO holocaust".
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
For the love of god its a game nothing more nothing less..SOE/LA didnt take away the cure for cancer they changed a GAME..get some perspective please
Why do you think We dont deserve to have a opinion?
If you dont agree with us fine... stay away from us.
But its totally uncalled for to come here and troll our forum set up for us by the MMORPG.com staff.
And sorry but no one will read your post and go... OHHHHH it was a game...geee what have been mad about for teh last 2 years... Silly me, THANK god this guy saved us all by coming here and revealing to us this new info that SWG IS just a game!!!!!
wow a true hero leading us from the darkness into enlightentment!!!!
If you dont think thats what will happen, then you intentionally trolled our forum just to be Cruel to people all ready hurt and that makes you a sick form of preditory that takes joy from attacking people who are all ready hurt.
Yes it was just a game...it was our game.. and we want it back...
Miataka (+many sub variation of that) ~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA) MiaTaka ~ RF On-line (Fire Server) -Mia- takahashi ~SWG (Europe-chimaera) Miataki Valeinca ~EQ 2 (everfrost) MiaTaka Soyinka ~Second Life
I honestly wish people would stop telling us to get over it.... This is the Veterans forum for crying out loud, go and cry about us on the current forum if you want. If you can't understand the kind of pain SOE put us through by replacing our complex MMORPG UNIVERSE with your shoddy GRIND GAME then go and do some research, if you don't understand even after that, move on and leave us alone, I am sick to death of people who think that by flaunting they've played Pre-Cu about will make us any friendlier when they say "Wahhh Get over it, it's just a game" Normally I would get over it but there hasn't been another bloody game like Pre-Cu SWG was for YEARS and it's pissing me off that no developer hasn't seen the potential market yet.... Frigging morons...
Played the game for 2 years and was annoyed as anyone when the NGE hit..but i found another game to play (not WOW btw) i mastered what 25 profs some for only a day and i loved the freeform nature of the game but looking coldly back at it now i realise that it really had no content at all as such and it was the PEOPLE who made the game.
So you see i'm a veteran posting in a veterans forum its just that i've moved on and got over whatever slight SOE/LA seemingly did to the game,my toon dawy will lie in cyber heaven for ever more and i do look back at the fun times i had but lets make it what it never was as i say the people made the game the devs made a mess of code and bugs a fact that seems to be lost on a lot of people here.
For the love of god its a game nothing more nothing less..SOE/LA didnt take away the cure for cancer they changed a GAME..get some perspective please
Why do you think We dont deserve to have a opinion?
If you dont agree with us fine... stay away from us. But its totally uncalled for to come here and troll our forum set up for us by the MMORPG.com staff.
And sorry but no one will read your post and go... OHHHHH it was a game...geee what have been mad about for teh last 2 years... Silly me, THANK god this guy saved us all by coming here and revealing to us this new info that SWG IS just a game!!!!! wow a true hero leading us from the darkness into enlightentment!!!! If you dont think thats what will happen, then you intentionally trolled our forum just to be Cruel to people all ready hurt and that makes you a sick form of preditory that takes joy from attacking people who are all ready hurt.
Yes it was just a game...it was our game.. and we want it back...
Not a troll just MY veterans voew opn the things said in this forum..the game aint changing back and the sooner people accept it the better.
And if as you claim people are hurt by the changing of a GAME mechanic may i suggest you seek medical help urgently.
For the love of god its a game nothing more nothing less..SOE/LA didnt take away the cure for cancer they changed a GAME..get some perspective please
Why do you think We dont deserve to have a opinion?
If you dont agree with us fine... stay away from us.
But its totally uncalled for to come here and troll our forum set up for us by the MMORPG.com staff.
And sorry but no one will read your post and go... OHHHHH it was a game...geee what have been mad about for teh last 2 years... Silly me, THANK god this guy saved us all by coming here and revealing to us this new info that SWG IS just a game!!!!!
wow a true hero leading us from the darkness into enlightentment!!!!
If you dont think thats what will happen, then you intentionally trolled our forum just to be Cruel to people all ready hurt and that makes you a sick form of preditory that takes joy from attacking people who are all ready hurt.
Yes it was just a game...it was our game.. and we want it back...
Not a troll just MY veterans voew opn the things said in this forum..the game aint changing back and the sooner people accept it the better.
And if as you claim people are hurt by the changing of a GAME mechanic may i suggest you seek medical help urgently.
see there is a thing called Joy, it happens when a person does something they enjoy, Like riding a bike, or talking to friends, OR PLAYING a game they love.
Now I'll try to understanding that there are some people that are so miserable they will never have known Joy such as having a hobby they loved or feel passionatly about and are not affraid to speak up when they feel that something wrong is being done.
Please By all means Tell US how to feel and seek medical attetion just because you didn't Love the game enough to feel some loss and OMG ... yes Hurt that your favorite hobby was destroyed, By force taken from you in its form and made into something else after investing 24 months of $15 / mo fees + orginal cost of $50 + $50 for JTL + $50 for RotW + $50 for ToOW
Yes Tell me how I am allowed to feel, that this is all just fine, and its ok and to accept it, cause we know ITS YOUR right by birth to tell me and 1000's of other people how we are allowed to feel on a forum set up by the staff JUST FOR US to discuss HOW we feel about the former Star Wars Galaxies.
Yes Im the one who needs help , because you the one chosen to deciede how we are allowed to think and feel have decreed so in your divine enlighten ways.
thank you for blessing us with your permission to type on my own keyboard.
Miataka (+many sub variation of that) ~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA) MiaTaka ~ RF On-line (Fire Server) -Mia- takahashi ~SWG (Europe-chimaera) Miataki Valeinca ~EQ 2 (everfrost) MiaTaka Soyinka ~Second Life
To the OP, if you do not know already, there is currently a group of programmers and designers who have gotten together (with little funds other than donations) who are designing a server which will run Pre-CU game code. It will be like it was back in the old day. Check it out sometime. I myself am keeping a heavy eye on it.
Here is a post I remember from when the NGE was announed right after the ToOW hit stores. Rangers had been promised a revamp by SOE merely DAYS before this information was given by SOE management. In a matter of days SOE goes from outlining revamps to several professions to announcing that they have been designing a new publish that will change the fundamentals of the game... I agreed with the post then, I agree with his post now. SOE just sucks.
This was posted literally the day after the announcement of the NGE by SOE.
Reposting this from the SWG Forums. Just want everyone to realize that the community is up in arms about this.
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To the Developers,
While I cannot claim that I speak on behalf of the entire community, I do believe that my comments here will reflect much of what most of the veterans of this game feel at the release of the upcoming "game enchancements" information today.
To start off, for those who don't know me, I am a veteran SWG player. I tracked the game prior to release, and pre-ordered the Collector's Edition on the first day. I have played this game since day one. I own three accounts, all of which I have leveled myself. One is a Jedi, the others are non-Jedi characters. Two of those accounts are currently active (for the time being). I served as the Scout Correspondent from July 2003 until February of 2005, being the second longest serving Correspondent in the game. I attended the first Fan-fest in Anaheim (I live in Washington, DC) and I attended the Correspondent Summit in Austin, where I met Julio, Tiggs, and reintroduced myself to many of the rest of the design team that I had met at Fan-fest, including Thunderheart, Keldarin, GreenMarine (no longer with SOE) and many others. I alpha tested Jump-to-Lightspeed, and beta tested Rage of the Wookies and the Trials of Obi-Wan. I do believe that all of these experiences lend significant emphasis and credability to the opinions I want to express here.
I have reviewed the FAQ, as well as Julio's letter to the community. While it took a while to understand the magnitude of what is happening here, I have come to grips with it.
These game changes, in my opinion, represent a serious breach of trust with the community and fail to take into account the efforts that the veterans of this community have made in the game.
It is a slap in the face to announce these changes - changes which may take effect within three weeks or less to the game - ONE DAY after a new expansion that many of us have purchased copies of, some multiple copies of, was released. The dust has not even settled on The Trials of Obi-Wan, and now we are being presented with changes that will completely change the way the game looks, feels and is played. In my mind, this is little better than a virtual bait-and-switch perpetrated on the entire community.
I am well aware of the development process, thanks to my work as a Correspondent. I know that these changes must have been in the pipeline for months, particularly if all of the coding will be completed in less than one months time. The Combat Balance/Upgrade/Revamp that I assisted with and helped to shape in Austin at the Summit and throughout the process took over a year and half to develop, code and complete. Yet this entire process was done in secret, including all of the PR preparations made by Tiggs and the SOE Community Relations staff, and sprung on the community without an inkling two days after the expansion was released.
In real life, I'm a lobbyist, and I've been working in Washington for 10 years. So I've seen a lot of conspiracy theories come and go. And If I were a cynic, I would say that this was a carefully timed announcement, designed to hit the community right after the expansion was released, so that SOE and LEC could have gotten the money for the expansion from as many veterans as possible, hoping that that capital would keep the game going through the massive wave of cancellations from those same veterans when changes of this magnitude were announced. And once all the veterans are gone, marketing could focus on bringing new players to the game, who had no knowledge of the previous two years and wouldn't have a problem with what you've done here. I hope to God that that's just the anger talking here, because if any part of what I've said is just true, it would represent the biggest rip-off of an entire gaming community in the history of the gaming industry.
I feel cheated and ripped off. And I think I speak for a large portion of the community when I say that.
And this is how I feel strictly based on the timing of the announcement. The actual changes you are proposing are worse.
Changes of this magnitude, less than 6 months after changes of a similiar magnitude, make it hard for me to accept that this game will still be Star Wars Galaxies. If anything, these game enchancements seem to be attempting to turn SWG into some kind of amalgamation of World of Warcraft, Planetside and Knights of the Old Republic. This isn't why I play SWG, and isn't why I've stuck with this game for two years.
And while I recognize that we veterans will receive "elder" buffs and status in the game, that's not enough. How do you begin to repay someone for the hundreds and thousands of hours they've spent playing this game, building up credits, skills, guilds, equipment, etc. and then wiping away everything they've accomplished in less than a month? I can't tell you the number of days I've taken off work to play SWG, or ignored a deadline or got an extension on a project just to stay out a bit later in a great XP group. All of that is for naught - you are invalidating most of what I've accomplished in the game in two years and in return, I get a special buff. That's not enough.
Rangers were promised a complete revamp less than a month ago, with outlines and changes that got many of them excited about the game again. Now, Rangers have been removed. The profession that I advocated on behalf of for nearly two years, Scout, is gone. The hours and hours I spent writing and rewriting guides for the community on the profession are now worthless.
And worse than the fact that the changes can't begin to compensate for what I'm losing, you're destroying what has kept most people in this game as long as we've been here - the community.
And its already happening. I recently cancelled my World of Warcraft account (even after the news of their new expansion) to come back to SWG full time, and one of the main reasons I cited was the community. My guild on Bloodfin, which is comprised of approximately 60 players with probably close 150 accounts all-together has almost fallen apart IN THE SPAN OF FIVE HOURS. Just looking through my ventrilo, I see people with comments of "5 accounts cancelled", "3 accounts cancelled", "Anybody want to buy 100 mill credits", "3 Jedi for sale cheap, will take food for trade". These are all veteran gamers, guild leaders, beta testers, the kinds of players that MMO designers listen to and make games specifically for - and they're all unhappy. Not a single person I've spoken to is happy right now.
This entire process is fatally flawed. It's flawed because there have been consistent promises made to this community by the Community Relations staff that major changes to the game would be discussed in the community and that we would have some kind of say over them. There's a reason why there are "In Dev", "In Testing" and "In Concept" forums on these boards. But they weren't used here.
Do you even understand the magnitude of what you're doing? If you don't right now, you will when you get the metrics back on how many accounts were cancelled today.
Stop this process now. Get community feedback. Ignore the focus groups and the exit polls and LISTEN to your community. Focus groups and polling is all well and good - I use it myself. But nothing beats getting out in and amongst the actual people who play this game and hearing what they think about this. Make these changes gradual. Do them a little at a time, so that people can get used to them and integrate them into their playstyle. The game was made in a day, it doesn't need to be remade in a day.
Better yet, don't go forward with the changes at all - save them for Star Wars Galaxies II - The Search for More Money. (I hope you all get the reference).
For the sake of all of us who have put so much into this game, and even for those players who simply log in once in a while, kill a few stormtroopers but pay their $15 a month for it, reconsider these changes and allow the community a chance to respond and contribute to the process.
This is our game. It is our money and it is our free time. Respect us. Give us the opportunity to affect this process in a meaningful, cooperative way. It is the very least that we have earned through our dedication and loyalty to this game.
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I haven't posted here in awhile, mainly because while I wouldn't say I'm over it, I am past it.
I just wanted to say that SOE still sucks and I want nothing more than Pre-CU FTMFW!!!!
I cant even get stuck to another game, everytime i try i get mid-high end level thne quit because the game blows, im testing lineage 2 right now but its not a game I can play non stop cause its 100% grinding, I've been playing swgemu but its not the same thing cause its not done yet and even when its done... ill always hate soe I refuse to buy any games from them anymore. They are a lying sneaky company that doesnt care about its player base. NGE fanboys reading this, say what you want but eventually your going to get screwed over just like we did, nge2 will come eventually
I still find myself wondering tho...
Was it Sony? or LA...
too bad we will never really know
Miataka (+many sub variation of that)
~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA)
MiaTaka
~ RF On-line (Fire Server)
-Mia- takahashi
~SWG (Europe-chimaera)
Miataki Valeinca
~EQ 2 (everfrost)
MiaTaka Soyinka
~Second Life
For the love of god its a game nothing more nothing less..SOE/LA didnt take away the cure for cancer they changed a GAME..get some perspective please
For the love of god its a game nothing more nothing less..SOE/LA didnt take away the cure for cancer they changed a GAME..get some perspective please
Well, I agree with you to a point. However, I think MMO's need to be treated much differently than RPG's or sports games, or RTS's.
For one, you are playing this game continually, progressing a character you personally design. Secondly, you are paying monthly, sometimes you pay in advance, so the company needs to understand that this is an INVESTMENT of time and resources by the players.
Some people devoted 2+ years of their lives to SWG, paying $15/month for 24+months and spending hundreds of HOURS giving SOE their time and money. When you put the loss into perspective SOE really screwed up.
Think about how much time people work. 8 hours a day, 5 days a week? Well a lot of the players on here were playing this game as much as they work per week. It's incredible to think how unethical and foolish SOE was when they simply changed the game.
All they had to do was keep half the servers original, half NGE from the start. That would have avoided this whole mess.
I honestly wish people would stop telling us to get over it.... This is the Veterans forum for crying out loud, go and cry about us on the current forum if you want. If you can't understand the kind of pain SOE put us through by replacing our complex MMORPG UNIVERSE with your shoddy GRIND GAME then go and do some research, if you don't understand even after that, move on and leave us alone, I am sick to death of people who think that by flaunting they've played Pre-Cu about will make us any friendlier when they say "Wahhh Get over it, it's just a game" Normally I would get over it but there hasn't been another bloody game like Pre-Cu SWG was for YEARS and it's pissing me off that no developer hasn't seen the potential market yet.... Frigging morons...
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
I keep reading about how vets should get over it, so i go and download the free trial again (like the 3rd time in the last few years) i do all the missions on the space station and the geno cave, sorry gamma station. hit the ground to like 5 spammer's and 3 afk dancer's.
No community what so ever, well that was actually there anyways, so i ask the nge guys again, WHY DO YOU THINK THE NGE IS BETTER? Obvisously sales and subs prove that it's not. And before you say i'm making things up, please show me some stats. I can guess the subs are nowhere near Pre-CU. So if it was such a good move for them and it's so great where is everyone?
The game just flat sucks now and no amount of flaming and trying to talk it up will change my mind, it's nowhere even in the same league with Pre-CU. The ones that say it's just a game are the best tho, they cry about us supposedly crying, then say it's just a game, if so why bother with saying it. Why does it bother you whatever we say if it's just a game. You should get over people not agreeing with you about your sorry ass NGE. But if you think i'm wrong about subs and the lack of people please show me stats, like i said i went there and it was a ghost town everywhere, Theed, Eisley, Coronet, it was dead. I liked SWG flaws and all the way it was, it was a very fun game, now it's a poorly made WOW clone.
well its not like the holocaust , but we all need to remember and tell everyone what happend back to us 2005 and how $OE treated their costumers and destroyed the MMO world , basically an "MMO holocaust".
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
For the love of god its a game nothing more nothing less..SOE/LA didnt take away the cure for cancer they changed a GAME..get some perspective please
Why do you think We dont deserve to have a opinion?If you dont agree with us fine... stay away from us.
But its totally uncalled for to come here and troll our forum set up for us by the MMORPG.com staff.
And sorry but no one will read your post and go... OHHHHH it was a game...geee what have been mad about for teh last 2 years... Silly me, THANK god this guy saved us all by coming here and revealing to us this new info that SWG IS just a game!!!!!
wow a true hero leading us from the darkness into enlightentment!!!!
If you dont think thats what will happen, then you intentionally trolled our forum just to be Cruel to people all ready hurt and that makes you a sick form of preditory that takes joy from attacking people who are all ready hurt.
Yes it was just a game...it was our game.. and we want it back...
Miataka (+many sub variation of that)
~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA)
MiaTaka
~ RF On-line (Fire Server)
-Mia- takahashi
~SWG (Europe-chimaera)
Miataki Valeinca
~EQ 2 (everfrost)
MiaTaka Soyinka
~Second Life
So you see i'm a veteran posting in a veterans forum its just that i've moved on and got over whatever slight SOE/LA seemingly did to the game,my toon dawy will lie in cyber heaven
for ever more and i do look back at the fun times i had but lets make it what it never was as i say the people made the game the devs made a mess of code and bugs a fact that seems to be lost on a lot of people here.
Not a troll just MY veterans voew opn the things said in this forum..the game aint changing back and the sooner people accept it the better.
And if as you claim people are hurt by the changing of a GAME mechanic may i suggest you seek medical help urgently.
For the love of god its a game nothing more nothing less..SOE/LA didnt take away the cure for cancer they changed a GAME..get some perspective please
Why do you think We dont deserve to have a opinion?
If you dont agree with us fine... stay away from us.
But its totally uncalled for to come here and troll our forum set up for us by the MMORPG.com staff.
And sorry but no one will read your post and go... OHHHHH it was a game...geee what have been mad about for teh last 2 years... Silly me, THANK god this guy saved us all by coming here and revealing to us this new info that SWG IS just a game!!!!!
wow a true hero leading us from the darkness into enlightentment!!!!
If you dont think thats what will happen, then you intentionally trolled our forum just to be Cruel to people all ready hurt and that makes you a sick form of preditory that takes joy from attacking people who are all ready hurt.
Yes it was just a game...it was our game.. and we want it back...
Not a troll just MY veterans voew opn the things said in this forum..the game aint changing back and the sooner people accept it the better.
And if as you claim people are hurt by the changing of a GAME mechanic may i suggest you seek medical help urgently.
see there is a thing called Joy, it happens when a person does something they enjoy, Like riding a bike, or talking to friends, OR PLAYING a game they love.Now I'll try to understanding that there are some people that are so miserable they will never have known Joy such as having a hobby they loved or feel passionatly about and are not affraid to speak up when they feel that something wrong is being done.
Please By all means Tell US how to feel and seek medical attetion just because you didn't Love the game enough to feel some loss and OMG ... yes Hurt that your favorite hobby was destroyed, By force taken from you in its form and made into something else after investing 24 months of $15 / mo fees + orginal cost of $50 + $50 for JTL + $50 for RotW + $50 for ToOW
Yes Tell me how I am allowed to feel, that this is all just fine, and its ok and to accept it, cause we know ITS YOUR right by birth to tell me and 1000's of other people how we are allowed to feel on a forum set up by the staff JUST FOR US to discuss HOW we feel about the former Star Wars Galaxies.
Yes Im the one who needs help , because you the one chosen to deciede how we are allowed to think and feel have decreed so in your divine enlighten ways.
thank you for blessing us with your permission to type on my own keyboard.
Miataka (+many sub variation of that)
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To the OP, if you do not know already, there is currently a group of programmers and designers who have gotten together (with little funds other than donations) who are designing a server which will run Pre-CU game code. It will be like it was back in the old day. Check it out sometime. I myself am keeping a heavy eye on it.
http://www.swgemu.com/
Here is a post I remember from when the NGE was announed right after the ToOW hit stores. Rangers had been promised a revamp by SOE merely DAYS before this information was given by SOE management. In a matter of days SOE goes from outlining revamps to several professions to announcing that they have been designing a new publish that will change the fundamentals of the game... I agreed with the post then, I agree with his post now. SOE just sucks.
This was posted literally the day after the announcement of the NGE by SOE.
Reposting this from the SWG Forums. Just want everyone to realize that the community is up in arms about this.
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To the Developers,
While I cannot claim that I speak on behalf of the entire community, I do believe that my comments here will reflect much of what most of the veterans of this game feel at the release of the upcoming "game enchancements" information today.
To start off, for those who don't know me, I am a veteran SWG player. I tracked the game prior to release, and pre-ordered the Collector's Edition on the first day. I have played this game since day one. I own three accounts, all of which I have leveled myself. One is a Jedi, the others are non-Jedi characters. Two of those accounts are currently active (for the time being). I served as the Scout Correspondent from July 2003 until February of 2005, being the second longest serving Correspondent in the game. I attended the first Fan-fest in Anaheim (I live in Washington, DC) and I attended the Correspondent Summit in Austin, where I met Julio, Tiggs, and reintroduced myself to many of the rest of the design team that I had met at Fan-fest, including Thunderheart, Keldarin, GreenMarine (no longer with SOE) and many others. I alpha tested Jump-to-Lightspeed, and beta tested Rage of the Wookies and the Trials of Obi-Wan. I do believe that all of these experiences lend significant emphasis and credability to the opinions I want to express here.
I have reviewed the FAQ, as well as Julio's letter to the community. While it took a while to understand the magnitude of what is happening here, I have come to grips with it.
These game changes, in my opinion, represent a serious breach of trust with the community and fail to take into account the efforts that the veterans of this community have made in the game.
It is a slap in the face to announce these changes - changes which may take effect within three weeks or less to the game - ONE DAY after a new expansion that many of us have purchased copies of, some multiple copies of, was released. The dust has not even settled on The Trials of Obi-Wan, and now we are being presented with changes that will completely change the way the game looks, feels and is played. In my mind, this is little better than a virtual bait-and-switch perpetrated on the entire community.
I am well aware of the development process, thanks to my work as a Correspondent. I know that these changes must have been in the pipeline for months, particularly if all of the coding will be completed in less than one months time. The Combat Balance/Upgrade/Revamp that I assisted with and helped to shape in Austin at the Summit and throughout the process took over a year and half to develop, code and complete. Yet this entire process was done in secret, including all of the PR preparations made by Tiggs and the SOE Community Relations staff, and sprung on the community without an inkling two days after the expansion was released.
In real life, I'm a lobbyist, and I've been working in Washington for 10 years. So I've seen a lot of conspiracy theories come and go. And If I were a cynic, I would say that this was a carefully timed announcement, designed to hit the community right after the expansion was released, so that SOE and LEC could have gotten the money for the expansion from as many veterans as possible, hoping that that capital would keep the game going through the massive wave of cancellations from those same veterans when changes of this magnitude were announced. And once all the veterans are gone, marketing could focus on bringing new players to the game, who had no knowledge of the previous two years and wouldn't have a problem with what you've done here. I hope to God that that's just the anger talking here, because if any part of what I've said is just true, it would represent the biggest rip-off of an entire gaming community in the history of the gaming industry.
I feel cheated and ripped off. And I think I speak for a large portion of the community when I say that.
And this is how I feel strictly based on the timing of the announcement. The actual changes you are proposing are worse.
Changes of this magnitude, less than 6 months after changes of a similiar magnitude, make it hard for me to accept that this game will still be Star Wars Galaxies. If anything, these game enchancements seem to be attempting to turn SWG into some kind of amalgamation of World of Warcraft, Planetside and Knights of the Old Republic. This isn't why I play SWG, and isn't why I've stuck with this game for two years.
And while I recognize that we veterans will receive "elder" buffs and status in the game, that's not enough. How do you begin to repay someone for the hundreds and thousands of hours they've spent playing this game, building up credits, skills, guilds, equipment, etc. and then wiping away everything they've accomplished in less than a month? I can't tell you the number of days I've taken off work to play SWG, or ignored a deadline or got an extension on a project just to stay out a bit later in a great XP group. All of that is for naught - you are invalidating most of what I've accomplished in the game in two years and in return, I get a special buff. That's not enough.
Rangers were promised a complete revamp less than a month ago, with outlines and changes that got many of them excited about the game again. Now, Rangers have been removed. The profession that I advocated on behalf of for nearly two years, Scout, is gone. The hours and hours I spent writing and rewriting guides for the community on the profession are now worthless.
And worse than the fact that the changes can't begin to compensate for what I'm losing, you're destroying what has kept most people in this game as long as we've been here - the community.
And its already happening. I recently cancelled my World of Warcraft account (even after the news of their new expansion) to come back to SWG full time, and one of the main reasons I cited was the community. My guild on Bloodfin, which is comprised of approximately 60 players with probably close 150 accounts all-together has almost fallen apart IN THE SPAN OF FIVE HOURS. Just looking through my ventrilo, I see people with comments of "5 accounts cancelled", "3 accounts cancelled", "Anybody want to buy 100 mill credits", "3 Jedi for sale cheap, will take food for trade". These are all veteran gamers, guild leaders, beta testers, the kinds of players that MMO designers listen to and make games specifically for - and they're all unhappy. Not a single person I've spoken to is happy right now.
This entire process is fatally flawed. It's flawed because there have been consistent promises made to this community by the Community Relations staff that major changes to the game would be discussed in the community and that we would have some kind of say over them. There's a reason why there are "In Dev", "In Testing" and "In Concept" forums on these boards. But they weren't used here.
Do you even understand the magnitude of what you're doing? If you don't right now, you will when you get the metrics back on how many accounts were cancelled today.
Stop this process now. Get community feedback. Ignore the focus groups and the exit polls and LISTEN to your community. Focus groups and polling is all well and good - I use it myself. But nothing beats getting out in and amongst the actual people who play this game and hearing what they think about this. Make these changes gradual. Do them a little at a time, so that people can get used to them and integrate them into their playstyle. The game was made in a day, it doesn't need to be remade in a day.
Better yet, don't go forward with the changes at all - save them for Star Wars Galaxies II - The Search for More Money. (I hope you all get the reference).
For the sake of all of us who have put so much into this game, and even for those players who simply log in once in a while, kill a few stormtroopers but pay their $15 a month for it, reconsider these changes and allow the community a chance to respond and contribute to the process.
This is our game. It is our money and it is our free time. Respect us. Give us the opportunity to affect this process in a meaningful, cooperative way. It is the very least that we have earned through our dedication and loyalty to this game.
B
I remeber that post ...I was one of the MANY MANY
QFT IBL
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I just dont get it.... SOny ...Lucas arts...could get us all bakc...and millions more if they re-realease ToOW pre NGE...
MILLIONs of accounts.. I bet they would take over WAR, WOW, AOC, G&H combined...
cause they had a near perfect orginal game with unique systems...
why dont they want our money?
Miataka (+many sub variation of that)
~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA)
MiaTaka
~ RF On-line (Fire Server)
-Mia- takahashi
~SWG (Europe-chimaera)
Miataki Valeinca
~EQ 2 (everfrost)
MiaTaka Soyinka
~Second Life
I agree. Very stupid management decisions.