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So my trial month is over and i say goodbye to EVE.....
moostown
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I had fun at first and yeah the game is well made but it just got really boring...
- I hate the time training which makes me feel like i have to move at the games pace and not mine. What i also hate about it is the fact that you wont be able to quit the game and come back because you'll be behind everyone else and the game would have changed sooo much. With other mmorpgs your only like behind 10 levels and some gear which isn't really a problem, so in this case i dont want to comit my life to a game lol.
- I also hate the fact that i've ran outta things to do, i can't just go have fun and PVP in a battleground somewhere for meaningless fun and everything is sooo serious. I found myself just doing agent missions all the time and nothing else really to do. I did get myself into a corp and they were a good big corp but it doesn't really improve anything as a noob.
- I hated all the downtime and everytime i tried to play it was a patch downtime all day lol.
- Hate the massive amounts of lag
- Too many people on one server and everywhere is really crowded, it doesn't feel like space at all. Don't understand why don't they open up 3 or 4 servers?
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Go back too WoW before your brain implodes out of the complexity of eve.
Have fun with mindless PVP and grind gear all day long for no purpose either than doing mindless pvp.
So I guess EVE just isn't your cup of tea. I heard LOTRO is a solid game.
Can I have your Stuff?
(Nah, only joking)
Different strokes for different folks.. Nothing wrong with a bit of mindless PvP in which losing wont cost you hours of your life.
See, chess is complex, and faaar beyond anything EVE could ever dream to be, and yet, you see one game of chess and you can play it, but the diference between a noob and a veteran is not in the pieces he uses, but in the way it uses them, and untill games, not just EVE keep going more towards more choices and more freedom, and less towards amassing progressivly useless pieces of byte we'll get dumber and dumber games
Only thing you need to play EVE is smug, often thought off as inteligence, but not realy.
I think that it's interesting that I should be drawn to a game for exactly the same reason that you choose to leave it. I've been playing EVE for about a month so far and I'm enjoying it. Sure, not every minute is excitment packed, but let me take each of your concerns in turn.
1) Skill training time - This is the #1 feature that brought me to EVE. As a person who would love to be on 24 hours a day but can't be, this feature allows me to "keep up with the crowd" even if I'm not on line. Does this also mean that a long-term player will have far more skills than me? Absolutely, but I challange you to find an RPG-centric MMO that isn't that way. New players will always play second fiddle to the older players. The difference in EVE is that you can hop into the action with a minimal amount of skill and have a shot at making a difference if you play your cards right.
2) You ran out of things to do because you weren't lead around with a carrot in front of your nose. Yes, mission running is by far one of the most repedative things you can do in EVE. However, you can make as much money, if not more, by trading or rat hunting in low sec space. Of course, the latter is a very dangerous way to go and you'd better be ready for PVP - but that's what the game is about.
3) To my knowledge, Down-time is scedualed to be between 7-8 AM EST, with patches slightly longer. Unless the game has crashed, it's up and running the remainder of the time.
4) Lag happens everywhere. I wish I never saw it in EVE or any other game, but that's not the computing world we live in. If you want Zero lag, play a single player game.
5) You do know that the game is designed to be a Single-sharded universe, right? It's one fo the core principles of the game. If you don't like the concept, don't play an unsharded game. As for crowded, the systems I tend to hang out in when mission running only seem to see 3-4 other players an hour. Probably more than transit through, but I really don't count them.
SO I've tried Eve twice with the free trial and twice I have only lasted a short time, dont get me wrong I really want to like this game but I just get a totally disjointed feeling playing there is no connection to your character so it just becomes tedious very quickly ( for me anyway I'm sure there are alot of people who like this game mechanic). I felt the same way in Auto Assault too. For me if you could walk around your ship or even see your Avatar sat at the controls would be good,also being able to walk around Space Stations etc and Land on Planets would change the whole experience. As it is I just cant get to care about a hunk of metal for an Avatar.
Even with all that said I know Eve is great game and its been one of the most succesful Mmo's out there,so please dont flame me its I just cant get into it is all which is a real shame as I'm sure there are many other potential players that feel similar to me.
Live Long and prosper guys !
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Frank 'Spankybus' Mignone
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See, chess is complex, and faaar beyond anything EVE could ever dream to be, and yet, you see one game of chess and you can play it, but the diference between a noob and a veteran is not in the pieces he uses, but in the way it uses them, and untill games, not just EVE keep going more towards more choices and more freedom, and less towards amassing progressivly useless pieces of byte we'll get dumber and dumber games
Only thing you need to play EVE is smug, often thought off as inteligence, but not realy.
Dont need inteligence to play EvE ... hmm ok you get in your most expensive ship and just fit random stuff on it and go to 0.0 and then whine on the forums how you got wtfpwned soo we can have a laught at your inteligence.
With just a trial played you're not anywhere near to judge EvE. You have not seen 20% of the game mechanics, nor políthics, nor social, etc. EvE is a world simulation not a mmo platform arcade game like the many others out there.
See, chess is complex, and faaar beyond anything EVE could ever dream to be, and yet, you see one game of chess and you can play it, but the diference between a noob and a veteran is not in the pieces he uses, but in the way it uses them, and untill games, not just EVE keep going more towards more choices and more freedom, and less towards amassing progressivly useless pieces of byte we'll get dumber and dumber games
Only thing you need to play EVE is smug, often thought off as inteligence, but not realy.
EVE is a simple game. It just has more data to sift through but once you figure things out there's not much more to do to figure out how to progress your ships configuration for mining, fighting, etc. I still haven't found that MMO with chess-like dynamics where skill and practice, instead of time sinks, decides your fate. But maybe one day...
See, thats a problem. If the game can't hook him in the first 20%, why would be pay to see the rest? HE basically called the game a career move, which he did not have time for...so what exactly is your point? you just angry that he doesn't like your game?
Frank 'Spankybus' Mignone
www.spankybus.com
-3d Artist & Compositor
-Writer
-Professional Amature
thats what trials are for... you judge and determine if you want to pay a monthly fee to play the game. It's obviously not his cup of tea ... thats his opinion and he's allowed to have one ... If Eve would allow access to those game mechanics you speak of within the first month then they would be doing theirselves a favor... anytime a game makes a casual player ... play for 2-3 months before he gets to the DEPTH of the game ... its destiend for failure... also you cant speak how greta eve is because it has a very low playerbase ....
Games Enjoyed: UO,EQ,AC,EQ2,COX,LOTRO
Games Played(-Above):WoW,MXO,GW(beta),RFO,ArchLord,V:SOH,Rappelz,Ryzom,DDO
Games I felt were a rip-off: DDO,ArchLord,V:SOH - all newer how ironic
Now think carefully about your statement. If you give WOW a trial, do you think you'll be raiding Kara during it? End game raiding is really what WOW's all about, and most casuals never see it. Same is true for almost any MMORPG out there, no one sees the depth of the game at first, you are given just a taste and the hook is you put in your 2-6 months working towards getting to the "good" stuff.
As for a game being destined for failure, we're not talking about EVE I guess. While it certainly isn't the run-away success that WOW is, the 200k+ subs are enough to keep them in business. I think once they implement the player avatars, and one-day perhaps even add ground combat EVE will see an influx of players like those who posted here saying they need to see their character walking around to really enjoy the game.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
haha, yeah, EVE is complex, but not in such a way that it requires inteligence, just time, where in other games you grind for gear that is easy to identify, in EVE you spend time time doing nothing, but looking at charts and figuring out what to put inSee, chess is complex, and faaar beyond anything EVE could ever dream to be, and yet, you see one game of chess and you can play it, but the diference between a noob and a veteran is not in the pieces he uses, but in the way it uses them, and untill games, not just EVE keep going more towards more choices and more freedom, and less towards amassing progressivly useless pieces of byte we'll get dumber and dumber games
Only thing you need to play EVE is smug, often thought off as inteligence, but not realy.
EVE is a simple game. It just has more data to sift through but once you figure things out there's not much more to do to figure out how to progress your ships configuration for mining, fighting, etc. I still haven't found that MMO with chess-like dynamics where skill and practice, instead of time sinks, decides your fate. But maybe one day...
Well, while you both seem to have chess pretty well figured out (fairly simple game to understand actually) I don't believe you truly understand the depth of EVE. (Remember, you can program a computer to play chess to a level that exceeds a human's ability to defeat it, but I'm confident it would be more difficult to do in EVE)
You both view EVE as just game mechanics to learn and master...but what you fail to miss is the games over-all, and primary purpose, domination over other players.
There are several ways to do this..... you can join a corp and work your way towards once day being the dominant force in 0.0 space, heck you can actually make it your goal to lead an alliance that will rule the entire known universe, and if you have the will, talent, and skill it is possible to make it happen. Not by game mechanics, you'll have to put political/social skills into play that rival those of Ghengis Khan or any other of histories great conquerors.
Or perhaps you want to lead the most feared pirate corp every known. Take control of lows-space and make sure no one mines in it without paying you a tithe for being there. Heck, don't even let anyone go through it without suffering your wrath.
Or less violent ways, like master the mechanics, and then political skills to become the best miner in the galaxy, making well over 100 million ISK an hour...... and providing the funding to your Corp for fleets of Titans.... same can be done in industry.... or even research a rare new BPO that brings a new ship type to the game.....
I play EVE becase I see the possibilities, so many paths that I'll get to chose, and there was never a game better suited to a more casual player like myself, where else can I train my skills while stuck in work .... heck I can eventually catch up to any veteran with regards to flying a particular ship, something no other MMORPG has ever really afforded me....
EVE isn't for everyone (else it would have 8.5 millions players right?) but that's OK, the 30k or so that are online atm are more than enough folks for me dominate, control and subjugate to my will
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Not true at all. I stopped playing for a year and now came back. Yeah theere are some new ships and other features but I got right back into it. Don't feel like I'm so far behind at all. Only thing that really changes much are the corps.
Let me start off by saying that I've tried the EVE trial several times, the game really does what it does great, which is why I kept trying it. The problem was not in the game, it was in what I was looking for in a game. I enjoyed flying my frigate, I absolutely love the flight control mechanism. For me, it was just right, a RPG flight, not flight simulator. I loved running the tutorial missions, the mining, the ratting, learning skill based system, and spending hours pouring over the equipment to fit out my frigate. These are the upsides that the tutorial offers. If you don't enjoy these, there is no sense in staying with the game.
For me, I quit during the tutorial because I could never get my mind around not having a crew. Flying a frigate is fine, but sometimes I also want to land on a planet, explore ruins or a derelict ship/station in space, or something that smells of adventure. PvP is fine as a consideration, but it is not my sole consideration. I like the idea of hiring an electronics engineer to figure out that new gizmo, a computer specialist to make things work, etc. Kind of like Gods and Heroes (coming out) minions system. Couldn't get my mind around my avatar having to do it all, like some synthetic artificial intelligence deformed humanoid with all the memory modules attached. Every time I looked at the picture, I was reminded that, by he time I hit cruiser, there is no way they would still look human. My avatar might as well have been a software box.
Anyway, EVE does what it does just fine. Just recognize that people do experience the trial, can find something that just doesn't suspend their disbelief to the point that it inteferes with immursion, and they move on. It doesn't mean they're stupid noobs, or carebears, or whatever. Some of us move on without even wanting EVE changed in any way just to suit us, because we understand that what EVE does, it does very well. It just doesn't do it for me.
The fact is some people enjoy more complex games and some want it more simple. No reason to tear each others heads off?
[DTE]
-- The skillpoints isn't what makes a difference in EVE, 10 'levels' in even makes no difference, the skill of the player makes.
-- If you can't find things to do, you can't handle not being forcefeed. Sorry, but in EVE you hold your own spoon
-- Downtime and patch all day? Over a full month? How about that now, I didn't notice any this month, in fact I had a friend play 16hours per day the last week...
-- There's hardly any lag in EVE if you're in the right places.
-- Too many people? I haven't met anyone else than the 10people in the corp I rathunt with for a month or so. If you try MOVING your ass a bit out of the way you'll notice that... Space... Is.... Spacey.. (Read "MF Huge Universe where it takes you HOURS to just jump from one side to enother and most of it is empty and uninhabited")
I'm glad you quit. You'd just get frustrated and whine. We don't need that.
Enjoy WoW or w/e
Played so far: 9Dragons, AO, AC, AC2, CoX, DAoC, DF, DnL, DR, DDO, Ent, EvE, EQ, EQ2, FoMK, FFO, Fury, GW, HG:L, HZ, L1, L2, M59, MU, NC1, NC2, PS, PT, R:O, RF:O, RYL, Ryzom, SL, SB, SW:G, TR, TCoS, MX:O, UO, VG, WAR, WoW...
It all sucked.
What I think biggest "problem" from new players point of view is that there is simpy no way to have them experience the best parts of EVE in any tutorial. Since the best parts of EVE are all related to interacting with other players whether it be pvp, mining together or whatever.
My point is that it´s very easy to try EVE and never really get into to the good stuff and just leave wondering wtf was the fuss about. I should know it took me 3 tries to get hooked
It took me a 6 month inactivity to get hooked into it again and I just have to say this...Eve isn't a game..its a lifestyle =D
Personally I prefer Women, but to each his own.
Frank 'Spankybus' Mignone
www.spankybus.com
-3d Artist & Compositor
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-Professional Amature
Personally I prefer Women, but to each his own.
Homosexuality is a lifestyle too, some people just choose not to participate. That is why there is a free trial, to see if people really want to adapt to a new lifestyle. Me, I prefer women also......
Well have been inactive since february this year .. and is not missing EVE... and I where a EVE addict for 3 years.
Well Im too lazy to read everyones response, but Im going to guess that what Im about to say has been said over the past 3 pages many times.
1) Unless your running on a very bad system you shouldnt be getting lag, I have a terrible terrible dell laptop and I can run without lag on a slightly lower graphics setting, and the game still looks great.
2) There is always downtime when a new patch comes out, they need to fix the problems after all! Would you rather they left the problems in game like so many other mmos? (...specifically those run by SOE ahem... MxO ahem..)
3) At most there is 35000 people on the server at one time, which isnt alot considering their good servers. Also, there is no lag for anyone with a semi decent system.
4) Of course you ran out of things to do, that happens in every game, which is why you need to keep getting stronger. Eve is a game that is about TIME. It takes ALOT OF TIME to get good! and once you are good, its a VERY VERY VERY fun game, you just must have patience in the beginning to get your character good and strong. Join a corp and get advice from the experienced members! It takes time for eve to get good, but once it is good, its loads of fun, and that is why Eve is at the top of the MMO list.
5) Who are you competing with that you constantly have to keep your character updated lol? The games been out for at least 2 years, there are players who are way higher than you. You can quit the game for a year, come back, and there will still be a load of people who are at your skill level in the game. Trust me, Im an on/off Eve player and I have no problem. The friends I made before are slightly higher yes, but they end up taking a break eventually too which gives ME time lol. Eve is a GREAT game to take breaks in because every once in a while youll get a skill that takes FOREVER to train, for example I want the high level mining barge, which takes 70+ days to train! I just start the training the day before my subscription is up, cancel the payment, and then I come back in 70 days and I have the skill trained, without spending the money. Its fantastic lol.
Eves a good game, if it wasnt it wouldnt be at the top of the list. Whatever mmo you go to good luck, but you havent seen enough of eve yet moo :P
edit: I realize what this post was missing, and I just wanted to share a story. I was in low security space and warped into a zone to find a battle going on between about 6 people. Being the kind person I am I thought that I would end the battle :P I flew right into the middle of them, dropped a bomb and flew out without anyone noticing. So, I just sat back and watched the show. Now, Im mainly a miner, but I do love messing around in low sec lol. I could tell you a ton of better stories but i really dont have time, cya!