Well the whole "shooting" thing is a game mechanic issue and really doesn't have anything to do with whether the genre would work or not. its not like there are no MMOs with guns in them. What would really be needed is depth and creative gameplay. That is something that has been tried in a long time in MMOs. Sure, if you just try to reskin WoW with cowboys, its not gonna work. But thats the problem with the entire genre, no is thinking outside the box and everyone seems happy with that. Personally I think that this type of game could have awesome potential. Unfortunately all we will get is a few more fantasy grinders this year.
Twilight War seems a little out of the box...just my opinion, though...and if you reskin it with cowboys, it might work but, it's considered an XORPG or something which stands for Extreme online Role Playing Game....then again, I haven't played it so, I couldn't tell if it would work or not...
WOW! Awesome ideas and concepts here folks! I was just throwing something up out of thin air, and we almost have a game fleshed out here. Now just need some programmers, developers, and marketing!
The Dark Tower angle is cool (Stephen King), and I like the pseudo-historical wild west flavor without having to offend everyone in the world idea. Skill based instead of profession based, crafting, the town ideas...all good stuff!
That Frontier 1859 looks like it has some potential, and some good ideas...but they might fall into the politically correct offend X group crap if they remain historical about it. Still looks promising though...
And I agree, sword and sorcery MMO's are a dime a dozen. Sci-Fi and other genre games are hard to come by, which is why we should be talking them up here...maybe someone will notice?
This thread did so well, might have to think up another one...
WOW! Awesome ideas and concepts here folks! I was just throwing something up out of thin air, and we almost have a game fleshed out here. Now just need some programmers, developers, and marketing! The Dark Tower angle is cool (Stephen King), and I like the pseudo-historical wild west flavor without having to offend everyone in the world idea. Skill based instead of profession based, crafting, the town ideas...all good stuff! That Frontier 1859 looks like it has some potential, and some good ideas...but they might fall into the politically correct offend X group crap if they remain historical about it. Still looks promising though... And I agree, sword and sorcery MMO's are a dime a dozen. Sci-Fi and other genre games are hard to come by, which is why we should be talking them up here...maybe someone will notice? This thread did so well, might have to think up another one...
...i didn't even think of The Dark Tower...that has awesome depth and might make a great RPG or adventure but MMO might make it a little more difficult...setting, maybe...but plot, no way
Anyone who thinks a quality Wild West MMOG isn't feasible, is stuck in the tired fantasy genre.
A Wild West MMOG has so many possibilities for crafting- gunsmithing-basic goods- mining tools- leather goods-apparel-archery(Indians)-food-drink-etc., construction on a Horizons level for buildings-outposts-towns, RVR opportunities with homesteaders- ranchers- Indians-miners- the army, economic control at the EvE level with robber barons and railroads and political office from towns-counties-territories-state;
Gameplay would exist for solo and group play and are endless, choosing neutral-good-evil pursuits and an affiliated meaningful faction system with associated opportunity costs. It would require a different type of game though, one based on a large scale map without the notion of zones and random NPCs sprouting everywhere. There are plenty of random NPC possibilities with Indians-cowboys-rustlers-bank and train robbers-mexican bandits-etc. but spacially it would be more on a Horizons scale with pockets of NPCs aka dungeon situations with a sprinkling of random NPCs throughout the landscape. PvP options would be just as viable as PvE.
Anyone else wanna see something like this? It's just about the only genre that hasn't been done, and I think it has great potential. Can be historical of nature, or completely fictional just with the same flavor. Profession based: Gambler, Lawman, Outlaw, Cowboy, Miner, Merchant...whatever Crafting: Gotta have stuff! Definately some room to explore there Player Housing, structures, and community building: Lincoln logs type stuff FTW! Exploration: Wide open frontier lands to explore, and claim for whatever reason
Anyone else wanna see something like this? It's just about the only genre that hasn't been done, and I think it has great potential. Can be historical of nature, or completely fictional just with the same flavor. Profession based: Gambler, Lawman, Outlaw, Cowboy, Miner, Merchant...whatever Crafting: Gotta have stuff! Definately some room to explore there Player Housing, structures, and community building: Lincoln logs type stuff FTW! Exploration: Wide open frontier lands to explore, and claim for whatever reason
Aiight...chat this up or burn me down...
A game in development, Frontier 1859.
Dunno when it's coming but sounds fun.
Sorry but the game you mentioned is not a game, and isn't even in development. It's just a site that a fellow has up trying to get investors to but money into his idea so that he can then begin to develop it.
His idea is very limited as well. It covers a specific mining regon of Nevada and focuses on the mining operations and an obscure but historical Native Indian tribe in that area.
The only development on the site are 4 images of a UI pasted over a real photograph of a mountian range.
"Don't corpse-camp that idea. Its never gonna rez" Bladezz (The Guild)
Posted on an earlier thread, but pertinent to the discussion here:
I too am tired of high fantasy games, but I’m just as tired of sci-fi based games as well. You can go and look at the game list that MMORPG.COM hosts. That list is primarily fantasy or sci-fi, with a touch of real-life and what passes for historical.
My tastes are quite different from the majority of you on this forum because my life experiences are so different from most of you. You see, I’m 20 to 30 years older than most of you that follow these boards. I grew up in a time when the cowboy was king and westerns were the main staple of every young boy’s imagination.
I would like to see a WESTERN MMO (done properly). I’ve played every western based computer/video game I’ve every come across and all were very shallow and done poorly.
There are ample sources of historical documentation to inspire a truly creative development team to develop a Western MMO that would please most MMO play styles.
You have examples of solo play when you look at the unknown drifter that is fast with a gun, or skilled trappers/hunters of the Northwest that were known for their stamina and survival skills. You have ample material to supply RvR or PvP to a western, when you look at conflicts between Indian tribes, Indians and the U.S. Cavalry, cattlemen and farmers, outlaw bands and posses, Texas Rangers or even the Pinkerton men. There are also the classic “High Noon” duels out in front of the saloon and look out for the PK that bushwhacks you from an outcropping of boulders.
There is also ample inspiration for crafting when you look the boom towns that were created by presence of copper, silver, gold, or cattle and the railroad. There any number of crafting professions that player could enjoy: prospector, blacksmith, gunsmith, carpenter, tailor, farmer, cattleman, cook, trapper, snake oil salesman etc.
There is also inspiration for guild support, when you look at some examples like, the “Hole in the Wall” gang style hideout, Indian villages, the U.S. Cavalry outposts, or a Cattleman Assoc. building. There are also mini-games that could be created for the saloon environment like faro. Faro was by far the most popular and prolific game played in old west saloons, followed by brag, monte and several dice games such as high/low (also called over & under).
A Western Themed MMO could have just as robust an economy as any MMO and could be as deep as any high fantasy game out there. Just do some reading on western legends and history.
Not all players would want to be gunfighters, as someone else mentioned. If for example the game was done giving players the ability to build or own property, there could be guild or single player owned ranches, saloons, banks and other shops.
You asked what a blacksmith could do besides make horse shoes. Well they made metal straps, hinges and nails to build with, tools to farm and prospect with, branding irons to mark livestock, they repaired wagons.
What about gear? Why does it have to be so much about gear. Many people complain about grinding for gear. However, there is always the opportunity to upgrade your gear (guns, mount, tack for your mount, ammo, clothing). Then, you can try to raise enough cash to buy your own saloon. At the height of the California gold rush, a plot of land in Frisco that you could put up a canvas tent saloon/gambling house on, cost $46,000 dollars in advance and in gold dust to open. I think you could stay busy trying to raise the money to open a saloon or buy a cattle spread.
As far as quest:
Spiritual Indian themed quests
Search for the Great White Buffalo
Eldorado (Lost City of Gold)
Great buffalo hunts
Land wars between cattlemen and farmers over water and land
Banks, stage coaches and trains to rob or protect
Raid sized quest that protect a wagon train, save a town or cavalry patrol from annihilation
Epic elite gunman to fight, like Wild Bill Hicock, Jesse James, or the man with no name, etc.
"Don't corpse-camp that idea. Its never gonna rez" Bladezz (The Guild)
Sorry but the game you mentioned is not a game, and isn't even in development. It's just a site that a fellow has up trying to get investors to but money into his idea so that he can then begin to develop it.
His idea is very limited as well. It covers a specific mining regon of Nevada and focuses on the mining operations and an obscure but historical Native Indian tribe in that area.
The only development on the site are 4 images of a UI pasted over a real photograph of a mountian range.
Keogh,
If you only got out and read more! Your so ill informed. Frontier 1859 is set in the Sierra Nevadas and Great Basin, which happens to include at least 7 different Tribes. Plus - you do not have our permision to hotlink our GUI shots. You didn't even read the FAQ - or happen to notice something else that is happening. If your going to spew from your wonderful grey matter - spew good.
Sorry but the game you mentioned is not a game, and isn't even in development. It's just a site that a fellow has up trying to get investors to but money into his idea so that he can then begin to develop it.
His idea is very limited as well. It covers a specific mining regon of Nevada and focuses on the mining operations and an obscure but historical Native Indian tribe in that area.
The only development on the site are 4 images of a UI pasted over a real photograph of a mountian range.
Keogh,
If you only got out and read more! Your so ill informed. Frontier 1859 is set in the Sierra Nevadas and Great Basin, which happens to include at least 7 different Tribes. Plus - you do not have our permision to hotlink our GUI shots. You didn't even read the FAQ - or happen to notice something else that is happening. If your going to spew from your wonderful grey matter - spew good.
I had read there FAQ months ago but was so unimpressed that I didn't bother trying to remember the mundane details. Oh and as far as the link, you copied it into your reply. I'll remove the uninspired concepts from my original post.
"Don't corpse-camp that idea. Its never gonna rez" Bladezz (The Guild)
The latest FAQ is something that many folks really enjoy, the community is over a thousand members, and as they mull over the features, I'm able to re-plan some of the more challenging features - before I'm locked in - so its' been a great experience and it's not going to go away - only keep growing.
Good luck to you, and be careful out there in the world of copy-cat MMOs!
I think basing it on Deadlands RPG would be a great setting for a Wild West MMO... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadlands I remember me having alot of fun playing this a decade ago
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Twilight War seems a little out of the box...just my opinion, though...and if you reskin it with cowboys, it might work but, it's considered an XORPG or something which stands for Extreme online Role Playing Game....then again, I haven't played it so, I couldn't tell if it would work or not...
Check out the MUD I'm making!
WOW! Awesome ideas and concepts here folks! I was just throwing something up out of thin air, and we almost have a game fleshed out here. Now just need some programmers, developers, and marketing!
The Dark Tower angle is cool (Stephen King), and I like the pseudo-historical wild west flavor without having to offend everyone in the world idea. Skill based instead of profession based, crafting, the town ideas...all good stuff!
That Frontier 1859 looks like it has some potential, and some good ideas...but they might fall into the politically correct offend X group crap if they remain historical about it. Still looks promising though...
And I agree, sword and sorcery MMO's are a dime a dozen. Sci-Fi and other genre games are hard to come by, which is why we should be talking them up here...maybe someone will notice?
This thread did so well, might have to think up another one...
Check out the MUD I'm making!
Anyone who thinks a quality Wild West MMOG isn't feasible, is stuck in the tired fantasy genre.
A Wild West MMOG has so many possibilities for crafting- gunsmithing-basic goods- mining tools- leather goods-apparel-archery(Indians)-food-drink-etc., construction on a Horizons level for buildings-outposts-towns, RVR opportunities with homesteaders- ranchers- Indians-miners- the army, economic control at the EvE level with robber barons and railroads and political office from towns-counties-territories-state;
Gameplay would exist for solo and group play and are endless, choosing neutral-good-evil pursuits and an affiliated meaningful faction system with associated opportunity costs. It would require a different type of game though, one based on a large scale map without the notion of zones and random NPCs sprouting everywhere. There are plenty of random NPC possibilities with Indians-cowboys-rustlers-bank and train robbers-mexican bandits-etc. but spacially it would be more on a Horizons scale with pockets of NPCs aka dungeon situations with a sprinkling of random NPCs throughout the landscape. PvP options would be just as viable as PvE.
I think basing it on Deadlands RPG would be a great setting for a Wild West MMO...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadlands
I remember me having alot of fun playing this a decade ago
A game in development, Frontier 1859.
Dunno when it's coming but sounds fun.
A game in development, Frontier 1859.Dunno when it's coming but sounds fun.
Sorry but the game you mentioned is not a game, and isn't even in development. It's just a site that a fellow has up trying to get investors to but money into his idea so that he can then begin to develop it.
His idea is very limited as well. It covers a specific mining regon of Nevada and focuses on the mining operations and an obscure but historical Native Indian tribe in that area.
The only development on the site are 4 images of a UI pasted over a real photograph of a mountian range.
"Don't corpse-camp that idea. Its never gonna rez"
Bladezz (The Guild)
Posted on an earlier thread, but pertinent to the discussion here:
I too am tired of high fantasy games, but I’m just as tired of sci-fi based games as well. You can go and look at the game list that MMORPG.COM hosts. That list is primarily fantasy or sci-fi, with a touch of real-life and what passes for historical.
My tastes are quite different from the majority of you on this forum because my life experiences are so different from most of you. You see, I’m 20 to 30 years older than most of you that follow these boards. I grew up in a time when the cowboy was king and westerns were the main staple of every young boy’s imagination.
I would like to see a WESTERN MMO (done properly). I’ve played every western based computer/video game I’ve every come across and all were very shallow and done poorly.
There are ample sources of historical documentation to inspire a truly creative development team to develop a Western MMO that would please most MMO play styles.
You have examples of solo play when you look at the unknown drifter that is fast with a gun, or skilled trappers/hunters of the Northwest that were known for their stamina and survival skills. You have ample material to supply RvR or PvP to a western, when you look at conflicts between Indian tribes, Indians and the U.S. Cavalry, cattlemen and farmers, outlaw bands and posses, Texas Rangers or even the Pinkerton men. There are also the classic “High Noon” duels out in front of the saloon and look out for the PK that bushwhacks you from an outcropping of boulders.
There is also ample inspiration for crafting when you look the boom towns that were created by presence of copper, silver, gold, or cattle and the railroad. There any number of crafting professions that player could enjoy: prospector, blacksmith, gunsmith, carpenter, tailor, farmer, cattleman, cook, trapper, snake oil salesman etc.
There is also inspiration for guild support, when you look at some examples like, the “Hole in the Wall” gang style hideout, Indian villages, the U.S. Cavalry outposts, or a Cattleman Assoc. building. There are also mini-games that could be created for the saloon environment like faro. Faro was by far the most popular and prolific game played in old west saloons, followed by brag, monte and several dice games such as high/low (also called over & under).
A Western Themed MMO could have just as robust an economy as any MMO and could be as deep as any high fantasy game out there. Just do some reading on western legends and history.
Not all players would want to be gunfighters, as someone else mentioned. If for example the game was done giving players the ability to build or own property, there could be guild or single player owned ranches, saloons, banks and other shops.
You asked what a blacksmith could do besides make horse shoes. Well they made metal straps, hinges and nails to build with, tools to farm and prospect with, branding irons to mark livestock, they repaired wagons.
What about gear? Why does it have to be so much about gear. Many people complain about grinding for gear. However, there is always the opportunity to upgrade your gear (guns, mount, tack for your mount, ammo, clothing). Then, you can try to raise enough cash to buy your own saloon. At the height of the California gold rush, a plot of land in Frisco that you could put up a canvas tent saloon/gambling house on, cost $46,000 dollars in advance and in gold dust to open. I think you could stay busy trying to raise the money to open a saloon or buy a cattle spread.
As far as quest:
"Don't corpse-camp that idea. Its never gonna rez"
Bladezz (The Guild)
i dont care who does it, but s decent wild west mmo has to be made hehe
ive followed frontier1859 but they need funding
Dunno when it's coming but sounds fun.
Sorry but the game you mentioned is not a game, and isn't even in development. It's just a site that a fellow has up trying to get investors to but money into his idea so that he can then begin to develop it.
His idea is very limited as well. It covers a specific mining regon of Nevada and focuses on the mining operations and an obscure but historical Native Indian tribe in that area.
The only development on the site are 4 images of a UI pasted over a real photograph of a mountian range.
Keogh,
If you only got out and read more! Your so ill informed. Frontier 1859 is set in the Sierra Nevadas and Great Basin, which happens to include at least 7 different Tribes. Plus - you do not have our permision to hotlink our GUI shots. You didn't even read the FAQ - or happen to notice something else that is happening. If your going to spew from your wonderful grey matter - spew good.
Dunno when it's coming but sounds fun.
Sorry but the game you mentioned is not a game, and isn't even in development. It's just a site that a fellow has up trying to get investors to but money into his idea so that he can then begin to develop it.
His idea is very limited as well. It covers a specific mining regon of Nevada and focuses on the mining operations and an obscure but historical Native Indian tribe in that area.
The only development on the site are 4 images of a UI pasted over a real photograph of a mountian range.
Keogh,
If you only got out and read more! Your so ill informed. Frontier 1859 is set in the Sierra Nevadas and Great Basin, which happens to include at least 7 different Tribes. Plus - you do not have our permision to hotlink our GUI shots. You didn't even read the FAQ - or happen to notice something else that is happening. If your going to spew from your wonderful grey matter - spew good.
I had read there FAQ months ago but was so unimpressed that I didn't bother trying to remember the mundane details. Oh and as far as the link, you copied it into your reply. I'll remove the uninspired concepts from my original post.
"Don't corpse-camp that idea. Its never gonna rez"
Bladezz (The Guild)
Thanks Keogh, I appreciate it.
The latest FAQ is something that many folks really enjoy, the community is over a thousand members, and as they mull over the features, I'm able to re-plan some of the more challenging features - before I'm locked in - so its' been a great experience and it's not going to go away - only keep growing.
Good luck to you, and be careful out there in the world of copy-cat MMOs!
Well as this topic dies off, I just wanted to throw in some gameplay movies from the PC game "Gun".
It could work. /shrug, we may never know....
Trailer
www.youtube.com/watch
A race
www.youtube.com/watch
Dodgecity
www.youtube.com/watch
The Steamboat
www.youtube.com/watch
Steamboat pt 2
www.youtube.com/watch
This gets my vote!
OMG!
Blazzing Saddles Online!
I'd play it.