Is being "Polite" good thing in PvP game?

HebrewBomb · June 2004

I think it's hypocritical.

People crying out for politeness in PvP oriented game are somewhat distancing themselve from what I believe the game is made for.

Why don't they make argument for some other source of fun?

Fairplay is rule of the game not the so called politeness.

Vengi · June 2004

Politeness is always a good thing, even if it means saying "thankyou for your items that you have kindly dropped for me".

It works so much better

JohnCrichton · June 2004

Well i think you'd find there's 3 types of languahe to consider.

Polite - nothing wrong with that people may just actually enjoy playing the game and killing people without the inflated sense of self esteem or feel the need to personally insult someone in rl through a game.

Role playing - Not as offensive on the brazen swearwords but will insult someone within the context of the game and their repsective roles within it, a true role player and almost exctinct.

The teenage boy on his parents computer - You f****ing l4m3r, I PWNNNNNED YOU, You have sex with your (insert family relation here) etc which is clearly a child who seems to think that in an enviroment without direct physical consequences he's free to act like the 8 year old that he truly is inside. With no concept of what the rp ni a mmorpg is, or frankly that some people can be offended or he might be talking to children etc and it's not in the game style, its not impressive and it shows him to be always the very sad lonely little pker who the lads in school throw food at and beat up.

However when provoked I do poesses the almost godlike ability to deeply upset someone if thety require it, but thats just my form of public service.

Politeness with items if perhaps you mean that ie returning them if someone dies is something people can foolishly ask for tbh if they are dealing with someone who blatantly wouldnt.

darrenlc · June 2004

Originally posted by JohnCrichton

Well i think you'd find there's 3 types of languahe to consider.
Polite - nothing wrong with that people may just actually enjoy playing the game and killing people without the inflated sense of self esteem or feel the need to personally insult someone in rl through a game.
Role playing - Not as offensive on the brazen swearwords but will insult someone within the context of the game and their repsective roles within it, a true role player and almost exctinct.
The teenage boy on his parents computer - You f****ing l4m3r, I PWNNNNNED YOU, You have sex with your (insert family relation here) etc which is clearly a child who seems to think that in an enviroment without direct physical consequences he's free to act like the 8 year old that he truly is inside. With no concept of what the rp ni a mmorpg is, or frankly that some people can be offended or he might be talking to children etc and it's not in the game style, its not impressive and it shows him to be always the very sad lonely little pker who the lads in school throw food at and beat up.
However when provoked I do poesses the almost godlike ability to deeply upset someone if thety require it, but thats just my form of public service.
Politeness with items if perhaps you mean that ie returning them if someone dies is something people can foolishly ask for tbh if they are dealing with someone who blatantly wouldnt.

Well spoken and I emphatically agree.

HebrewBomb · June 2004

Originally posted by darrenlc

Originally posted by JohnCrichton

Well i think you'd find there's 3 types of languahe to consider.
Polite - nothing wrong with that people may just actually enjoy playing the game and killing people without the inflated sense of self esteem or feel the need to personally insult someone in rl through a game.
Role playing - Not as offensive on the brazen swearwords but will insult someone within the context of the game and their repsective roles within it, a true role player and almost exctinct.
The teenage boy on his parents computer - You f****ing l4m3r, I PWNNNNNED YOU, You have sex with your (insert family relation here) etc which is clearly a child who seems to think that in an enviroment without direct physical consequences he's free to act like the 8 year old that he truly is inside. With no concept of what the rp ni a mmorpg is, or frankly that some people can be offended or he might be talking to children etc and it's not in the game style, its not impressive and it shows him to be always the very sad lonely little pker who the lads in school throw food at and beat up.
However when provoked I do poesses the almost godlike ability to deeply upset someone if thety require it, but thats just my form of public service.
Politeness with items if perhaps you mean that ie returning them if someone dies is something people can foolishly ask for tbh if they are dealing with someone who blatantly wouldnt.

Well spoken and I emphatically agree.

See this is something that I would never do.

Being "polite" in provoked situation and "Emphatically" agreeing with someone no matter how his argument might have convinced you.

Not that I'm saying there is anything wrong with it.

I just think everyone are wired differently.

I feel more comfortable to go by rules of Fairness and code of conduct rather than going by "Politeness".

bazaab · June 2004

I have been MMORPGing for some time now and from my experience I would have to say that no matter the style game (PvE or PvP) politeness is something that should be observed. Why should we stop being polite to one another just because we are pixilated and not physically next to one another? I am no less polite to my friends on the phone than I am to them when we are in the same room.

It has been my experience that MOST of the impolite, childish and down right rude players are teenagers and below. Not always mind you, I have played many games where I see more of the older population taking first prize for bad behavior.

I also play allot of Counter-Strike. What amazes me is how people of younger age (normally, not always) get a feeling of "Wow! No parents!! I can do what I want, when I want and how I want and you can't stop me!!" Swearing, taunting, cut-downs, and so on spout from the mouths of babes. Not because they are rude necessarily, but because they can with no real consequence.

There again, I have seen many supposedly mature players act the same way.

Just my 2 cents.

nitakrn · June 2004

agreed Bazaab, playing in fairness and using the code of conduct IS being polite no matter how you word it.

I don't know the kind of politeness the original poster was speaking of. But whiner's and people going "no fair" in PvP games hits a nerve.

TianFeng · June 2004

I think there is no reason not to be polite. It doesn't really take much more effort to type 'thanks' after someone gives you directions to the nearest cloning station/lifestone/bind point. For me at least, I respond better to 'polite' players, and I have to say that I probably treat them differently to those who I do not consider polite.

Politeness in MMORPGs could be in several forms though, as politeness is merely the process of observing and following etiqutte, or by www.dictionary.com 's description: To be polite is to show consideration for others, tact, and observance of accepted social usage. Someone who is not 'polite' in an MMORPG could therefore be a griefer or a kill stealer. Politeness could infact be separated entirely from the way in which a player speaks to another.

I agree with the previous poster who said that they maintain the same degree of politeness when talking to a friend on the phone as when they are in the same room as them. I think this sums up this arguement. There is no reason why we should not be polite, there is nothing preventing us from doing so, and deliberatly being unpolite really does not get you anywhere.

I am not sure why the original poster posted his view on this as I would have thought, and as all the posts so far have agreed, that politeness is something that should always be observed. Why shouldn't people 'call for politeness' as I think you put it? Is it too much to ask that you speak with a civil tongue and obey the rules of MMORPGaming etiquette?

Merodoc · June 2004

For someone whos name is HebrewBomb, I would not start to make generalizations or call anyone gay or retarted. Sorry, it is just isn't right. Next, being polite is fine in a game and their is no problem either way. As for barbies, why you would bring them up is being me.

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Nasas · June 2004

Politeness in any game is always good, in a PvP game you can eb polite but its not expected, unless it the kind of kingdom vs kingdom war type games, then politeness toward your fellow is good.

But you don't have to be polite to the other "bad guys" if you don't want to, because probably they won't be polite to you. But if its full pvp free for all, then politeness is not expected but always appreciated.

Finwe · June 2004

I'm a hardcore PvPer. And I usually dont talk. Unless its somone i've had a grudge with for years on the game. I usually just kill them. Steal their loot. Then run before they can get a squad to wipe me out.

"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis

Sketch · June 2004

I'm on the opposite end, I like playing PvP for entertainment, goofing around or what not. In games like AO if u wonder into a PvP zone and get ganked it sucks, but thats the zone, if u don;t like it avoid it... I like going to arena and just getting my ass kicked or kicking someones ass and laughing it off, all in good fun... But whatching my buddy play Liniage 2, when his toon was lev5 and seeing lev 15's randomly ganking him while he was just off somewhere leveling and minding his own business is stupid.. Then he loses gear to boot. Thats pointless frustration and that player ends up having thier game time ruined by someone who thinks it was fun to kill someone who has no chance against them..

I like games where u can challenge people anywhere, and/or have zones dedicated to PvP. Entering a zone to hunt players is fun.. Having to do a mission or quest and worrying about is everyone your gonna pass try gank you and steal your loot? Is just frustrating.

I love MMORPG's cause it's fun to play with some many ppl. But if you can't get anywhere cause gankers are always killing you everytime you try and do anything?... Not much fun there.

Adreal · June 2004

There's also politeness and then there's patronization or insult. If someone killed me in a game such as in AC1 and was like "welcome to darktide" then I would view that comment as insult. If someone killed me and then we had a good laugh about it then I would view that as some-what polite. Afterall, "When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite." (in this case if you want to kill a man)...

Grunty · June 2004

Read my quote.

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"It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
Thomas Jefferson

Teth · June 2004

"When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite." -Winston Churchill

I've never been much for smacktalk in PvP. In UO, I'd roll in there, kill people, strip their corpses clean, and go on. If they were clearly a newbie or they put up a good fight, I'd usually offer a rez and/or a gate.

Seems to me to be the most reasonable way of doing things...if you're really out to prove how much you pwn and whatnot (which strikes me as awfully silly), isn't it enough that you killed them?

HebrewBomb · June 2004

Originally posted by Teth

"When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite." -Winston Churchill
I've never been much for smacktalk in PvP. In UO, I'd roll in there, kill people, strip their corpses clean, and go on. If they were clearly a newbie or they put up a good fight, I'd usually offer a rez and/or a gate.
Seems to me to be the most reasonable way of doing things...if you're really out to prove how much you pwn and whatnot (which strikes me as awfully silly), isn't it enough that you killed them?

God I love that quote.

darrenlc · June 2004

Originally posted by HebrewBomb

See this is something that I would never do.

Being "polite" in provoked situation and "Emphatically" agreeing with someone no matter how his argument might have convinced you.

Really? You certainly strike me as the type who would vehemently disagree - what's the difference other than being the other side of the coin? Hypocrisy creeping in?

Originally posted by HebrewBomb

I just think everyone are wired differently.

Cunning perception here - Somewhere in this statement lies the reason that I'm relegated to drooling with the rest of the retards...

43%burnt · June 2004

Nothing like being polite befor stabbing someone in the back

Rikimaru_X · June 2004

Being polite in a pvp game (think Marvel vs capcom 2) is the way to go to someone you don't know

you say this to you friend after beating them: YOU GOT KNOCKED THE F*CK OUT!

you should say this to a stranger after beating them: GOOD GAME (and a maybe a complment)

note: if they suck . . .don't say a word or just say YOU SUCK

Kriminal99 · June 2004

When people pvp they have this presumption that the other person is not going to talk smack if they win. Its based on the realization that everyone loses sometimes and therefore would feel compassion for their enemy, and would be afraid that if they lost the person who beat them also talk smack.

As long as they know what they are risking and pvp of their own choice they probably won't get angry.

There are 3 problems with this system- New comers upset this system because they may actually believe they are godlike until they begin to lose - and therefore talk smack in the meantime. Second a person may use some unfair advantage such as hacking and then talk smack. Lastly in the case of mmorpgs there will always be people who will claim they didn't want to compete and use that as an excuse to talk shit.

Mature competetitors of any type develop skills which allow them to compete without causing emotional damage to other competitors and in turn to theirselves.

DarkAngel_PE · June 2004

I think that if you can talk trash in a pvp, you might want to have the skills to live up to the trash you talk. However in my exp. most people I come in contact with are for the most part polite. I think it all depends on the sitution.

Anofalye · June 2004

I 85% agree with the previous unedited message posted by Kriminal(hehe need to design that sentence well with him *grin and tease*).

The only 2 points I will add are...someone that lose in REAL TIME is upset in REAL TIME, add someone that kill you more then once in a day and you have anything you need for heavy arguing, after someone kill you once, I humbly think there should be an period of 10 hours where the loser cant enter a zone the killer is in, and if the killer zone where the loser is, he cant approach within some distance of the loser, give the poor guy a break, abuses are behind angry talking.

And some folks want to be good in the carebear zones and they will venture to get carebear uberness anywhere, and of course, they will always always always always always be unhappy, bitch, curse, spam, train, /report or do anything *rightfull* to help their carebear side feel better, and I am in this category, so just dont put carebears toys in PvP areas(or split servers hehe). (you can replace PvP with raiding if you want, would apply to me as well hehe).

- "Coercing? No no, I assure you, they are willing to bring my bags and pay public transportation just to help me, it is true!''

Coldmeat · June 2004

I rarely say anything when killing someone, I figure the fact that I just killed them says enough. Frankly, if others want to talk shit, that's fine by me. It just makes it that much funnier when you kick their ass.

Every so often, though, I admit to considering bribing the devs to give me a print out of the names and addresses of all the players, grabbing my friend, who bears a striking resemblance to Kevin Smith, and going door to door ala the end of Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. I don't think 5 minutes alone with some of the smarmy bastards is asking to much. ::::40::

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They panic, so... just hold them down
I could live like this
I'm closing in; hate all around
I could be like this
Hearing them; them in my head
How can they be so sweet... sweet?

VITAMADNESS · June 2004

Personally I think polite is always good in most situations, but if you are really trying to roleplay then "politeness" needs to go away in any public channel.

One of the most fun roleplay experiences I had was in SWG with the rebel/empire battles and the way in which many people roleplayed extremely well early on! "DIE YOU REBEL SCUM"...now to me this is not too polite...but very fitting for those roleplaying SWG. Most people you killed and taunted this way in SWG would give it right back in roleplay as it should be in my opinion.

BUT...and a big BUT here...for those that didn't understand or didn't roleplay well such taunts and "impoliteness" could be aggravating and would start a public channel flame fest. In such cases when the person I was taunting in roleplay just didn't get it, I would send a private tell with a "sorry friend I am just trying to roleplay, please don't take it personal" message. Usually this worked very well and in the worse case senario (when I got a cry baby) I just stopped the taunts/roleplaying and just didn't say anything further to the person.

And yes I only taunt and roleplay heavily when the whole server is dedicated to roleplaying. I just don't find taunting in a non-roleplay environment any fun since then you can really get emotions going to easily (and they always do).

Anyway, that is my take on this subject.

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numatic · June 2004

This is why I found DAoC PvP the ebst because you cant whine about dying(except for being zerged)because the PvP is optional but the end game is based around it.

I'm playing SB right now and the amount of whining when i kill someone is rediculous. One guy actually sent me tells for almost 20 mins just cursing up a storm. I mean he was in a real serious rage cuz I killed him and stole a guild seed and like 5mil off him (idiot was at an open tree). But i couldn't ignore him cuz he had one of those real messed up names with those special characters so I just had to sit there and watch him whine. It was annoying because he was filling my chat box with spam, but it made me laugh at the same time.

This is why im going to be playing WoW where PvP is optional.

Sketch · June 2004

I've had my ass handed to me in every PvP scenario in every game I've played. And on occasion I'm not the bigest PvP gimp there so I get to win, When I win, I tell em good fight. When I lose I tell `em nice work, . Of course in Tower battles in AO (only gameI've ever done mass pvp in) no time to say gj, but occasional you get the chance to shout rude obsenities... Wow do they potty mouths fly in mass PvP... But you can hardly blame ppl, when your getting droped by a group of ppl and theres nothing fair about the fight you get bitter, but I always give em credit for good team work, or in 1on1 even if I don;t like the guy I'll admit he has the stronger toon if he beats me.

Only be rude to those who are rude first. After all, we play the game to have a good time, I sure as hell do pay to play and get harassed, or have my game play intureupted by some high lev who think s it will be funny to piss me off... On those occasions... I just wish I could get there IP's.. That'd be enough

But like I said, if I walk into a warzone and get pawned, I don't bitch about it.

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