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Dev exposed, Forum Nazis, Player Gone
Kilim
Member Posts: 546
So I have been supportive of Vanguard for a while even though of its bugs and such.
There is nothing else really to play at this time so killing time with it.
Started to get bored in the months that has passed and was debating to quit the game and I think what happened recently just nailed the coffin for me.
Silius is the Lead Crafting Dev for Vanguard.
There was a discussion about how come a certain item never drops and yet he insists that it is NOT broken.
Somehow he insinuates that the players are the ones that are having the problem and not the game having its bugs.
We asked if ANY of the items has been discovered in the live servers and he stated he cannot divulge that info.
But he was kind enough to state that ONLY specific locations have it by using specific recipes.
So what does Kilim do?
He went to EACH location and cross checked each recipe in those locations.
What did Kilim find?
EACH location has the recipes that are needed.
So IF EACH location has the Recipes, that doesn't make it droppable from ONLY specific locations.
(IF you are not catching what I am trying to say here, I can reply with a more blatant post)
Wouldn't you know it, the next business day that is available, Silius decided its time to STOP posting in public forums and will ONLY post in the SoE Official forums.
The best part, he took a jab at Kilim in his guilt trip goodbye post.
Post with run around answers and BS answers: http://www.vanguardcrafters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22368My travels trying to find out the truth can be found here: http://www.vanguardcrafters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25394
Silius farewell post can be found here: http://www.vanguardcrafters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25428
Story don't end there.
I always loved VanguardCrafters.com for its info located in it.
But always hated how the mods act in there. (They act so holier than though with a power trip, reminds me of a certain forum mod company ... <cough >Alchemic Dream</cough> )
Because of me being upset, I posted my toughts on the issue.
They decided to delete a few of my posts and put me in the "Retired" usergroup, preventing me from posting there again.
That pretty much nailed it for me that vanguard is no longer for me.
Dev that treats its player community as idiots and an Affiliate website that acts as Forum Nazis.
I haven't met people like this since I tried Dark & Light!
I guess next time, I should just shut up and not state and post any truth in the matter so i will be liked.
Heh, Who am I kidding.
I like speaking my mind and exposing people for the liars that they are.
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Moderation should be done in moderation. Until moderators realize this, their excessions will be the seed of the demise of their earthly soul. Satan will punish irresponsible moderation with an endless eternity (yes, an endless one) of pain and agony. Forever.
So think before you go on your power trip and ban someone, it might just earn you a one way ticket to eternal damnation.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
Why do the worst games have the best drama? hmmm....
I can't comment much about Vanguard itself as I haven't tinkered with it since beta.
This, however, feels awfully familiar: "There was a discussion about how come a certain item never drops and yet he insists that it is NOT broken."
oi vay...
I'm not sticking up for the dev but this happens anytime you give an asshole a little bit of authority. Seen this kind of behavior in many games and many forum. { my comments don't nessissarily include this forums or it's mods .. ahem }
A friend of mine works for a software company that writes programs for realestate firms. He's a tester. He gets to find ways to break the software and locate bugs. For some reason he thinks it's fun.
When a client calls to complain that something potentially isn't working right the magority of the people in the company can't really help them. He has some pretty funny stories of people calling and screaming at people. It's unfortunate though, because the people that tend to get yelled at have nothing to do with testing. It's funny because he's the guy they should be yelling at, but no one ever does.
Sometimes the guys that write everything (the devs) aren't the same one responcible for locating bugs. Usually it can be someone else who finds them and then lets the devs know so they can fix them.
I'm trying to say that everyone that gave that dev a hard time, may have been giving the wrong guy a lot of grief.
If he's unaware of a bug, and someone else is telling him that everything was fine (like the guys that tested that part of it), then why wouldn't he think that maybe it's something else.
I'm also wondering if maybe there aren't any upgradable lvl 50 chest and boots available. I didn't see him say that there were, only that there were lvl 50 chest and boots. Not specifically upgradable ones though. Unless I missed something. (I read every post in each thread
)
The OP's being banned was legitemate as well. A moderator indicated twice in the one thread that the thread was for discussion of bugs, not to critisize or /sarcasm, and asked that if anyone wanted to complain or raise another issue that it should be done in another thread. You continued doing what the moderator asked everyone not to and they banned you for it. Not saying you're wrong or anything, just pointing it out is all.
Edit: It also seemed like him not posting on the site anymore wasn't really his choice. I can't really say I think SoE is wrong for asking him not to anymore. His posting was causing more trouble then it was solving, and I would have asked him not to post there anymore either.
Wish Darkfall would release.
Don't they say a crazy person is one that does the exact same thing over and over and expects different results? If you were warned twice, fair game for the mods to take action. Not that devs have all the info (or clueless as to live server content), can't be arrogant at times, etc., but you were wrong in continuing your posts in the manner you did.
Mirrim
Chanter, Spatalos Server
1st:
ALL I did was EXPOSE the lies he was giving us.
If you have read that thread thoroughly he stated to us:
I guess digging the truth, providing proof and then showing it to everyone will be considered criticization and /sarcasm ... or whatever.
I consider it feedback to help them realize that maybe they really need to check their coding .... again.
FYI: This is NOT the 1st time they denied soemthing is wrong even though the player base have been stating for months soemthing is wrong. Then when they get to fixing the problem, they tell no one about it and pretend it NEVER existed!
Like I said.
Maybe in the next time I will just follow the sheep and post what everyone else would like to read and NOT the truth ...
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In short, it would do them some good to just realize some of their coding/testing tools truely suck, instead of considering the player base for idiots....
Uh I can think of 4 instances off the top of my head that Sillus and the loot dev were proven wrong. They were telling people it was fine. Doesnt surprise me that this is still going on.
EXACTLY!
Some of these instances are:
I am sure others can fill in other examples when the Players has been stating an issue has been there yet teh Devs are stating that they are working as intended.
T5 Thatch finally got fixed AFTER months of the player base stating it is broken and the Devs stating its working properly, then when they fixed it, they did NOT state anything that they was wrong or thanking the community for bringing up the problem to be fixed!
This game is so reminding me of Dark & Light every day now
The ONLY difference here is that in DnL, the Devs/Alchemic Dream/CSR did NOT take a jab at me on their goodbye post ...
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This is one of those situations where even if you win, you lose - also known as a
Pyrrhic victory.
Yeah you called them out and yeah they found out they were wrong and then went
into damage control mode. Damage control generally means silencing the person
who knows what's really going on.
With the state the game was released in, and the total lack of quality control, it should
come as no surprise that there would be problems like this waiting to surface. With
literally hundreds of fixes going in at every patch, it is not surprising (at least to me)
that such and such a recipe or ingredient does not drop. In my mind, this is just
another indicator that even six months after release, the game is still not ready for
primetime. There is a lot more fixing that needs to happen before this puppy is
in a presentable state.
but they have been known to be Forum nazis anyways.
Deleting and banning people for the slightest thing they don't like.
Site has good info for crafters, but the Mods there are just power tripping, always been the 1 thing I hated about that site.
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but they have been known to be Forum nazis anyways.
Deleting and banning people for the slightest thing they don't like.
Site has good info for crafters, but the Mods there are just power tripping, always been the 1 thing I hated about that site.
You are still missing the BIG picture. Yes, this is an affiliate site BUT it also depends on the
participation of the crafting developers to make it a VIABLE site. It doesn't matter whether it
is an SOE site or an affiliate site. You have created a very difficult environment for these guys
to work in and so damage control or heavy handed tactics are used to restore order. Call it
power tripping or whatever else you want, but the site knows what makes them viable and they
will do anything they have to do in order to protect that viability.
Don't they say a crazy person is one that does the exact same thing over and over and expects different results? If you were warned twice, fair game for the mods to take action. Not that devs have all the info (or clueless as to live server content), can't be arrogant at times, etc., but you were wrong in continuing your posts in the manner you did.
Other than the fact that the the mod was saying your not discussing a bug .. WHEN he was but the mod said it was not Broke even tho IT WAS broke and thus a bug.The problem was is the mod was trying to cover up the shit, with followers... and the OP was right to say thats smells like shit.
If the government comes into your house takes all your stuff and sell your house , and you say hey wait a minute , and they say no complaining , this is right and they warn you twice and the thrid time they put you in jail ... is it your fault that you tried to stop an abuse? NO.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Silius posted some pretty specific details and explained why he thought things should be working. He even admits that there could be problems and that he is looking for help. I'm not sure where you get your stance from, let alone think that what you were doing was helpful at all.
Maybe if you appreciated dev and community interaction a bit more he wouldn't have washed his hands of that site and progress would still be ongoing.
Seriously, you should tromp back there and apologize asap.
This is sarcasm right?
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I think the fact that you've basically jumped from there to here and carried on kinda shows that us MMORPG players really do need to get some more direction in our lives.
As for these references to "the government taking your house is just like SOE" or "teh devs are the naziz" because of a little forum trouble shows just how much fuss we're willing to make over our games to the point of making ridiculous and offensive comparisons.
Here is what Silius said in the link you gave
This has been verified on test (which is a live server) and internal servers. The code on live, test, and internal servers for loot tables is identical, the tables on live, test, and dev servers is identical. It works for me I have cmpleted several of these work orders and received multiple rewards of upgradeable lvl 50 chests and boots. Since these tables are set up the same all the way up the tiers the only possible thing I could think of that would stop you from getting the items would be these (and the other tasks I did not list) not being available to you.
If there was a bug with the actual table nobody would have upgradeable gear since they are all set up identically. Hopefully this helps, if you can't find one of these work orders then let me know as that may lead to an undrlying issue that I can't see since everythign is conencted correctly from my end.
You state that it is nothing but BS and him "insisting nothing is broken". If you opened your eyes a little more and don't read into that what you want to see, it is pretty clear he thinks it should be working, asks people to test it and admits he doesn't know why it might not be working properly. Pretty much the whole reason for discussing with the community is to figure these things out. 1,000s of players will always figure out more than a small team of developers.
Also, he might be forbidden by company policy to state any discoveries that have been made in the game, let alone giving you what server and more information that it was made on (so that you can most likely hound that player for details). That is pretty common for game companies.
I just don't get where you come off with this mod nazis and exposing the cruel cruel lies of the devs! Honestly after reading your initial post here I can easily understand why you got the boot.
Looks pretty clear to me.
If the OP had started a post in the general forums or posted in the post specifically for complaining (like mod asked for) they would likely still be able to post now.
I'm wodering Kilim. With all the work you did verifying that the recipes were available at each outpost, did you also do enough crafting at each of these outposts to verify that the items do no drop? I was under the impression that those items were rare crafting drops.
Wish Darkfall would release.
Looks pretty clear to me.
If the OP had started a post in the general forums or posted in the post specifically for complaining (like mod asked for) they would likely still be able to post now.
I'm wodering Kilim. With all the work you did verifying that the recipes were available at each outpost, did you also do enough crafting at each of these outposts to verify that the items do no drop? I was under the impression that those items were rare crafting drops.
@Daffid011
Seriously need to read the whole threads.
If you don't see the run around then your just like the rest of the sheep.
I will repeat what I have said before I guess:
Here are some of the Dev posts about this issue so its easier for you to read:
There are lots of items available. It is likely that the few players high enough to receive these rewards are clustered in a small number of locations, thus receiving predominately biased items.
Could you please post the location where you perform level 46+ work orders and the results you've achieved. Please included the type of work order you've completed, the resulting grade and the items you've received.
Thanks
(Note this is just a few of them, there are more)
(Sets of these can also of drop them)
This has been verified on test (which is a live server) and internal servers. The code on live, test, and internal servers for loot tables is identical, the tables on live, test, and dev servers is identical. It works for me I have cmpleted several of these work orders and received multiple rewards of upgradeable lvl 50 chests and boots. Since these tables are set up the same all the way up the tiers the only possible thing I could think of that would stop you from getting the items would be these (and the other tasks I did not list) not being available to you.
If there was a bug with the actual table nobody would have upgradeable gear since they are all set up identically. Hopefully this helps, if you can't find one of these work orders then let me know as that may lead to an undrlying issue that I can't see since everythign is conencted correctly from my end.
Qalian Artificer recipes that drop chest and boots lvl 50
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Crossbows
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Bows
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Practice Dummys
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Music Boxes
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Casks
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Staves
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Carts
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Barrels
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Crates
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Dices
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Podiums
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Sarcophagus
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Batons
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Clubs
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Wagon Wheels
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Wagon Frames
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Benches
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Birdfeeders
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Bookshelves
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Cabinets
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Boxes
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Checker Boards
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Chairs
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Armoires
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Catapult Arms
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Wardrobes
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Desks
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Easels
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Fishing Poles
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Ladles
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Battering Rams
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Headboards
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Keels
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Figureheads
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Fitting Tables
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Finishing Tables
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Tables
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Brooms
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Sawhorses
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Ladders
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Rakes
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Carpet Beaters
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Masts
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Carts
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Cards
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Crow's Nests
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Brush, Hairs
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Brush, Paints
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Scabbards
Batch of Dusky Hardwood Checker Pieces
Batch of Granite Vases
Batch of Granite Fountains
Batch of Granite Carafes
Batch of Granite Plant Pots
Batch of Granite Pedestals
Batch of Granite Truncheons
Batch of Granite Bookcases
Batch of Granite Bowls
Batch of Granite Basins
Batch of Granite Fireplaces
Batch of Granite Prayer Benches
Batch of Granite Stone Charms
Batch of Granite Smelter Parts
Batch of Granite Phials
Batch of Granite Grindstones
Batch of Granite Chalices
Batch of Granite Chalices
Batch of Granite Kilns
Batch of Granite Hammers
Batch of Granite Hourglasses
Batch of Glass Tubings
Batch of Granite Statuettes
Batch of Granite Gravestones
Batch of Granite Coffers
Batch of Granite Chisels
Batch of Granite Hammers
Batch of Blue Sapphire Lockets
Batch of Blue Sapphire Signets
Batch of Blue Sapphire Rings
Batch of Blue Sapphire Earrings
Qalian Smith Workorders that can drop them
Batch of Flawless Mithril Bouches
Batch of Flawless Mithril Broadswords
Batch of Flawless Mithril Bucklers
Batch of Flawless Mithril Chainmail Boots
Batch of Flawless Mithril Chainmail Bracers
Batch of Flawless Mithril Chainmail Breastplates
Batch of Flawless Mithril Chainmail Gauntlets
Batch of Flawless Mithril Chainmail Girdles
Batch of Flawless Mithril Chainmail Helmets
Batch of Flawless Mithril Chainmail Leggings
Batch of Flawless Mithril Chainmail Reinforcements
Batch of Flawless Mithril Chainmail Shoulderpads
Batch of Flawless Mithril Chisels
Batch of Flawless Mithril Claymores
Batch of Flawless Mithril Crowbills
Batch of Flawless Mithril Daggers
Batch of Flawless Mithril Drills
Batch of Flawless Mithril Falchions
Batch of Flawless Mithril Field Plate Boots
Batch of Flawless Mithril Field Plate Bracers
Batch of Flawless Mithril Field Plate Breastplates
Batch of Flawless Mithril Field Plate Gauntlets
Batch of Flawless Mithril Field Plate Girdles
Batch of Flawless Mithril Field Plate Helmets
Batch of Flawless Mithril Field Plate Leggings
Batch of Flawless Mithril Field Plate Reinforcements
Batch of Flawless Mithril Field Plate Shoulderpads
Batch of Flawless Mithril Files
Batch of Flawless Mithril Flails
Batch of Flawless Mithril Flamberges
Batch of Flawless Mithril Greatswords
Batch of Flawless Mithril Guillotine Blades
Batch of Flawless Mithril Halberds
Batch of Flawless Mithril Hammers
Batch of Flawless Mithril Hoes
Batch of Flawless Mithril Kite Shields
Batch of Flawless Mithril Kris Blades
Batch of Flawless Mithril Lances
Batch of Flawless Mithril Lightplate Boots
Batch of Flawless Mithril Lightplate Bracers
Batch of Flawless Mithril Lightplate Breastplates
Batch of Flawless Mithril Lightplate Gauntlets
Batch of Flawless Mithril Lightplate Girdles
Batch of Flawless Mithril Lightplate Helmets
Batch of Flawless Mithril Lightplate Leggings
Batch of Flawless Mithril Lightplate Reinforcements
Batch of Flawless Mithril Lightplate Shoulderpads
Batch of Flawless Mithril Longswords
Batch of Flawless Mithril Maces
Batch of Flawless Mithril Mauls
Batch of Flawless Mithril Pitchfork Heads
Batch of Flawless Mithril Poniards
Batch of Flawless Mithril Ringmail Boots
Batch of Flawless Mithril Ringmail Bracers
Batch of Flawless Mithril Ringmail Breastplates
Batch of Flawless Mithril Ringmail Gauntlets
Batch of Flawless Mithril Ringmail Girdles
Batch of Flawless Mithril Ringmail Helmets
Batch of Flawless Mithril Ringmail Leggings
Batch of Flawless Mithril Ringmail Reinforcements
Batch of Flawless Mithril Ringmail Shoulderpads
Batch of Flawless Mithril Round Shields
Batch of Flawless Mithril Saws
Batch of Flawless Mithril Scale Mail Boots
Batch of Flawless Mithril Scale Mail Bracers
Batch of Flawless Mithril Scale Mail Breastplates
Batch of Flawless Mithril Scale Mail Gauntlets
Batch of Flawless Mithril Scale Mail Girdles
Batch of Flawless Mithril Scale Mail Helmets
Batch of Flawless Mithril Scale Mail Leggings
Batch of Flawless Mithril Scale Mail Reinforcements
Batch of Flawless Mithril Scale Mail Shoulderpads
Batch of Flawless Mithril Shortswords
Batch of Flawless Mithril Shovel Heads
Batch of Flawless Mithril Throwing Hammers
Batch of Flawless Mithril Throwing Knives
Batch of Flawless Mithril Tongs
Batch of Flawless Mithril Tower Shields
Batch of Flawless Mithril Tridents
Batch of Flawless Mithril Warhammers
Qalian Outfitter Workorders that can drop them
Batch of Studded Weathered Backpacks
Batch of Studded Weathered Bandannas
Batch of Studded Weathered Bandoleers
Batch of Studded Weathered Bardings
Batch of Studded Weathered Belts
Batch of Studded Weathered Book Covers
Batch of Studded Weathered Boots
Batch of Studded Weathered Breeches
Batch of Studded Weathered Chaps
Batch of Studded Weathered Chokers
Batch of Studded Weathered Coifs
Batch of Studded Weathered Coinbags
Batch of Studded Weathered Cowls
Batch of Studded Weathered Crafter's Aprons
Batch of Studded Weathered Dickey
Batch of Studded Weathered Doormats
Batch of Studded Weathered Fistwraps
Batch of Studded Weathered Gloves
Batch of Studded Weathered Hand Bellows
Batch of Studded Weathered Handbags
Batch of Studded Weathered Handwraps
Batch of Studded Weathered Harnesses
Batch of Studded Weathered Harvester's Packs
Batch of Studded Weathered Heavy Jackets
Batch of Studded Weathered Jackets
Batch of Studded Weathered Jerkins
Batch of Studded Weathered Ledgers
Batch of Studded Weathered Leggings
Batch of Studded Weathered Lumberjacking Packs
Batch of Studded Weathered Mining Packs
Batch of Studded Weathered Quarrying Packs
Batch of Studded Weathered Reaper's Pack
Batch of Studded Weathered Reinforcements
Batch of Studded Weathered Saddlebags
Batch of Studded Weathered Saddles
Batch of Studded Weathered Saddles
Batch of Studded Weathered Shoulderpads
Batch of Studded Weathered Skinner's Pack
Batch of Studded Weathered Slings
Batch of Studded Weathered Slings
Batch of Studded Weathered Stuffed Animals
Batch of Studded Weathered Stuffed Bear Heads
Batch of Studded Weathered Toolbelts
Batch of Studded Weathered Toolbelts
Batch of Studded Weathered Tunics
Batch of Studded Weathered Vests
Batch of Studded Weathered Waterskins
Batch of Studded Weathered Whips
Batch of Studded Weathered Wrist Sheafs
Batch of Studded Weathered Wristguards
Batch of Thickened Vielthread Bags
Batch of Thickened Vielthread Bedrolls
Batch of Thickened Vielthread Blankets
Batch of Thickened Vielthread Carpets
Batch of Thickened Vielthread Chair Cushions
Batch of Thickened Vielthread Cloaks
Batch of Thickened Vielthread Corset
Batch of Thickened Vielthread Dresses
Batch of Thickened Vielthread Duvet
Batch of Thickened Vielthread Gloves
Batch of Thickened Vielthread Gowns
Batch of Thickened Vielthread Gowns
Batch of Thickened Vielthread Hammock
Batch of Thickened Vielthread Hats
Batch of Thickened Vielthread Headresses
Batch of Thickened Vielthread Mattresses
Batch of Thickened Vielthread Nets
Batch of Thickened Vielthread Pillows
Batch of Thickened Vielthread Sashes
Batch of Thickened Vielthread Sheets
Batch of Thickened Vielthread Ship Flags
Batch of Thickened Vielthread Shirts
Batch of Thickened Vielthread Shirts
Batch of Thickened Vielthread Shoes
Batch of Thickened Vielthread Skirts
Batch of Thickened Vielthread Socks
Batch of Thickened Vielthread Tabards
Batch of Thickened Vielthread Tapestries
Batch of Thickened Vielthread Thatching
Batch of Thickened Vielthread Wagon Canopies
If you have done many of the ones I have listed the only slots you would get out of those that are not chest or boots are specific items from the rare roll table. The standard equipment these work orders give is chest and boots.
ONLY you, as a Dev, can Officially answer the question asked ...
No I cannot
@Urdig
Yes.
I have crafted at various outposts doing more than 100+ Recipes at a time. I tend to do ONLY Batches WO from 1-50. MANY other crafters have also reported crafting at those variosu locatiosn without a single drop. That is what started the thread because the Officials are treating the player base like idiots even though they have been posting their data and feedback for the Devs to check! . (Which is not the 1st time)
Also, the items that are NOT dropping are marked Uncommon/Blue Items.
Their are Ultra-rare/Orange marked Recipes that drop from Batches WO and I have had over 50+ of those drop in my crafting career in VG.
To be honest, at this time, getting recipes is easier than getting those 2 items that are "suppose" to be dropable in the live servers.
I did my homework like I always do before I make any posts like this.
PS:
No I cannot "tromp back" and apologize IF I wanted to because they disallowed my accoutn in the VanguardCrafters.com forum from posting.
(Unlikely that I would apologize for something I absolutely did nothing wrong about!)
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All i can say is good job man ... really. How many on the forums or even attacking Kilim in this thread or others, have done as much work to find bugs/ improve the game they are playing ... i bet no one.
Kilim did a great job here that took a lot of effort when after he did it he came back and said heya , " its not working you have to fix it". How was this recived ... "your doing it wrong", like he is some dumb noob or some shit. This guys took his ownb time to test this (a lot of time at that) and the much of community and the mods just tell him to bend over becuase he doesn't have a "clue" . WELL GUESS WHAT HE WAS RIGHT. He went out and proved something was not working correctly and the mods ignored him , becuase after all if he was right they were wrong, and that is not possible.
What should have happened is Kilims efforts should have been meet with a THANK YOU and a apology for misinformation and broken code.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
All i can say is good job man ... really. How many on the forums or even attacking Kilim in this thread or others, have done as much work to find bugs/ improve the game they are playing ... i bet no one.
Kilim did a great job here that took a lot of effort when after he did it he came back and said heya , " its not working you have to fix it". How was this recived ... "your doing it wrong", like he is some dumb noob or some shit. This guys took his ownb time to test this (a lot of time at that) and the much of community and the mods just tell him to bend over becuase he doesn't have a "clue" . WELL GUESS WHAT HE WAS RIGHT. He went out and proved something was not working correctly and the mods ignored him , becuase after all if he was right they were wrong, and that is not possible.
What should have happened is Kilims efforts should have been meet with a THANK YOU and a apology for misinformation and broken code.
Actually I agree. I was really impressed. Just curious if he tested each station.I didn't disagree there was a bug, just that he didn't follow the forum rules.
If the OP feels I was attacking him, I apologize. Wasn't my intent.
Wish Darkfall would release.
@Urdig
No apology needed.
Was just being more descriptive to those that just do not get it.
Different Topic.
I did PM the Lead Mod and the Admin of VanguardCrafters.com site.
Not gonna post the exact PM but it went like this.
That pretty much summed it up.
I guess I should just bend over and take it when I get silenced for doing what is right ...
Case Closed
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Try not to be to agressive about it though, devs can't always give a yes or no answer to a question.
Getting banned sucks, but this thread wasn't really gonna help your case. The guys at vgcrafters are running a site dedicated to a game they enjoy. I dought they are being paid for thier efforts. Yell at SoE on thier boards. They're the ones that get your money each month.
Wish Darkfall would release.
I have done more than my fair share of time on test servers with devs doing nothing but testing. Some even with Sony in EQ2 and worked pretty close with the devs there. The game ended up being miserable, but I loved testing stuff. So I feel pretty qualified to say what I said about him disrespecting the devs.
Calling people liars, nazis or the such is not productive when you are trying to partake in fixing a problem. I read exactly what he did in that thread, but I understand it for what it is. Just because he ran to a few places and clicked some recipes does not give him the perspective enough to labels the devs the way he did because they couldn't pinpoint the problem. The whole thread is one big discussion on aspects of what could go wrong to eliminate possibilities.
Read the thread again.
Players bring up problem.
Dev responds with some answers and tasks that players can test for themselves.
Players say it still doesn't work
Devs respond with more scenarios, questions and tasks that can help them reproduce errors.
Repeat that a few times.
Silius even says he thinks everything should work, but there are things he may not be accounting for.
That is how testing goes. This nub thinks he is somehow entitled to demand answers to questions that devs are not allowed to give out. He reads conspiracy where there is open dialogue between the devs and players. He went overboard or off the handle enough to get banned, end of story.
It is sad that he helped chase away a dev that seemed rather pasionate about communicating and trying to get player help while keeping them informed. Just the little tidbits of info in that thread were pretty enlightening. Kilim does not deserve kudos for his "hard work", he deserves to get kicked for his part in killing that relationship which it seemed the forum mods agreed with that line of action. Mind you that is a dev to community relationship that most games would kill for.
I just don't see how he "exposed" any lies or showed the forum mods to be the nazis, let alone is somehow the victom in any of this.