theft get banned

cosy · July 2007

a dude stole a corp is supposed to be allowed in game and he get baned after he get unbanned

so get banned even if not guilty :S

METALDRAG0N · July 2007

Originally by: Tomic

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
This was an actual corp theft, no hacking of accounts or similar occured, this was investigated by our GMs.

So will the guy get his account back?

The account was banned during the investigation, since the investigation is over the character is unbanned.

Also, this is about a corp/alliance related issue, as such it should be discussed in the CAOD forum, so I'm locking this, but feel free to discuss it there.

Wrangler

Community Manager

EVE Online

Originally by: Zag Jaggernaught

I'd like an explaination as to why this player was banned... I'd personally like to elevate him to a Hero status... anyone that can infiltrate one of the largest Alliances in game and walk away with that much deserves a toast. With banning this player CCP is further helping the ongoing "scandal" of CCP support to some of the larger alliances... I see no rules violated here? Sounds more Personal to me.

Due to the size of the heist, the GM team took a look into it to see if there were any violations of the EULA. No misconduct was found and any actions taken against the player by CCP were reversed.

kieron

Director of Community Relations, EVE Online

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Next time i advise you read the whole topic before posting

I wonder why is it you always post conspiracys here?

Kyleran · July 2007

Sorry guys, I'm not following the conversation....

edit..nm, for some reason large portions of the 2nd post weren't visible .... now I understand, someone scammed a corporation....dishonorable thing to do and sucks, but it is part of the game.......

Salva · July 2007

It goes something like this..

A member of Evolution, which is one of the main BoB corps empties a load of stuff out of a few station hangers. A petition is made claiming that the account has been hacked or something. The thief's account is suspended and investigated. The thief (using an alt) posts a thread on eve-o saying he's stolen a LOAD of stuff from evolution for the purpose ransoming it back and that his main account is banned. Proof or STFU posts start... A dev then posts in the thread saying yes a big corp theft had occured, the thiefs account had been suspended during an investigation but no breach of rules had been found and the account was now again active. EVE-O explodes...

METALDRAG0N · July 2007

Originally posted by Salva

It goes something like this..
A member of Evolution, which is one of the main BoB corps empties a load of stuff out of a few station hangers. A petition is made claiming that the account has been hacked or something. The thief's account is suspended and investigated. The thief (using an alt) posts a thread on eve-o saying he's stolen a LOAD of stuff from evolution for the purpose ransoming it back and that his main account is banned. Proof or STFU posts start... A dev then posts in the thread saying yes a big corp theft had occured, the thiefs account had been suspended during an investigation but no breach of rules had been found and the account was now again active. EVE-O explodes...

Basically it was just a lot of hot air from the guy who got his account suspended then

How tiresome.

Salva · July 2007

Originally posted by METALDRAG0N

Originally posted by Salva

It goes something like this..
A member of Evolution, which is one of the main BoB corps empties a load of stuff out of a few station hangers. A petition is made claiming that the account has been hacked or something. The thief's account is suspended and investigated. The thief (using an alt) posts a thread on eve-o saying he's stolen a LOAD of stuff from evolution for the purpose ransoming it back and that his main account is banned. Proof or STFU posts start... A dev then posts in the thread saying yes a big corp theft had occured, the thiefs account had been suspended during an investigation but no breach of rules had been found and the account was now again active. EVE-O explodes...

Basically it was just a lot of hot air from the guy who got his account suspended then

How tiresome.

Not really, I think his initial post was understandable because corp theft is an allowed form of game play and this person thought he was banned because of corp theft. This wasn't the case, some one petitioned claiming that it was possible that the persons account was hacked and when the GMs saw the size of the theft (still unknown what the exact size is but seems to be substantial) the persons account was suspended through a short lived ban... about 2 hrs I believe. This was done to stop any sales/transfers of the stolen goods because if the goods were allowed to be moved and it was found to be a case of account hacking then renbursment would be very very difficult.

No one was really in the wrong but I do think GMs should be able to freeze someones assets without suspending the account.

Still it's all very interesting... I wonder if this will put a dampener on the BoB BBQ later this week.

Jetrpg · July 2007

Bahh he put his hands in the cookie jar ie BoB , too many Devs and GMs sit there and when they heard this auto ban.

Later on when it was obvious that he did it legit they put out the , " this is part of the plan, aka policy" . Of course its not , but well i guess it is now ... if you steal from BoB that is.

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Seriously folks, this guy stole a huge amount of goods after coming back from a break. It is aweful suspicous of a hacked account. CCP needed to suspend the account until they could verify that everything happened was legit and by the true owner. (So, to make sure it was not hacked, or a stolen account) They (CCP) did this quickly and he has his account back already.

trentonx · July 2007

yeah he isn't banned anymore. I just talked to him in-game.

this is the most horrible tin foil hat crap I have ever seen.

cosy · July 2007

IMO first investigate and after ban
kicking player whit roles from corp takes 24h so the question is if he was banned he cant steal more stuff ?

ArmySurplus · July 2007

A friend of mine was actually paid for doing something simular back when the game first released, not only that, but he sold all the resources, ships, scamatics and what not on ebay for well over $2500.00.

It was so long ago I cant recall the server, but the name of the Corp was Pax Imperious or some such. If any of them still play Im sure they will remember Ceasar, Tyr Annasazi or my character Capricious.

I was shocked when he let me in on what he was doing, I was on my way back to the station. I just sat outside waiting for s**t to hit the fan. He came out with a newly made cruiser, i think, and started attacking the members(me included). Wiped them all out, the corp chat filled with get over here NOW, Ceasar just stole all our s**t, kill that *********.

I wasn't in on it, seemed like an asshat thing to do. He did allow me to pod him after he changed back to a startership. The corp placed it in the empty station after parading it around. Not soon after the corp disbanded and the leader(his target) quit the game.

This was before the different permission levels were introduced. He was reported, but nothing happened. Just before he looted the corp he contacted a GM and told him what he was about to do. The GM told him it wasnt a very nice thing to do, but he wasnt breaking any rules.

trentonx · July 2007

"I cant recall the server"

yeah... your story failed righttt there.

server? oh man if you going to make up a story make up a good one. there is only one server there will always only one server. noob.

if you story is true proof or STFU

and if you edit I will edit

Salva · July 2007

Originally posted by cosy

IMO first investigate and after ban
kicking player whit roles from corp takes 24h so the question is if he was banned he cant steal more stuff ?

But his roles could be removed straight away once found out so true he'd still be in corp but unable to remove more stuff from hangers.

Try to to see it from a GMs point of view, you have two options..

1) Instantly suspend the account so that the theif's assets were frozen stopping him from selling/transfering the stolen goods for a short time so it can be investigated.

or

2) Allow the account to stay active for the investigation about 1 - 2 hrs and in that time the thief can sell/transfer the stolen goods to other players.

If the theft was found to legit then both scenarios would be acceptable. The theft was done using legit gameplay so the thief goes on his/her merry way with their ill gotten goods.

BUT

If the theft was found to be in breach of game play rules for example by using a hacked account then the GMs MUST reemburst the stolen goods. In option 1) the thief still has most of the goods and transefering them back to the victim is easy and may only take minutes more than the investigation itself. In option 2) the thief has sold/moved the goods to other players some of them innocent so now the GMs need to trawl potentialy dozens of accounts cancelling isk/goods transfers. The work involved may take days and many players will lose out.

EDIT - sorry about the block of writing, my work browser isn't allowing me to make paragraphs etc..

Jizzlobber85 · July 2007

Another cosy 'anti bob, devs are bob friends' thread.

Anyway the player character was banned because the size of the transfer was huge. When things like this happens and this size CCP raise a few eyebrows and need to investigate if this was legit or not. The players was found not guilty and now he has access to his account again. It took what 2 days max? So whats the big deal?

Before you start making threads like this in the future for the rest of the gaming public to see, get your facts right and understand right. I swear you are a agoon

METALDRAG0N · July 2007

Originally posted by Jizzlobber85

Another cosy 'anti bob, devs are bob friends' thread. Anyway the player character was banned because the size of the transfer was huge. When things like this happens and this size CCP raise a few eyebrows and need to investigate if this was legit or not. The players was found not guilty and now he has access to his account again. It took what 2 days max? So whats the big deal? Before you start making threads like this in the future for the rest of the gaming public to see, get your facts right and understand right. I swear you are a agoon

This wasant really much of a conspiracy thread as the Topic he lnked to as his proof ended with an very reasonabe explanation from the Boss Dev. So it kind of got ended before it begun.

I swear some of these people who like to post such topics here are scraing the bottom of the barrel nowadays

And it shows!!!

P.S. I say unless anything concrete was posted here dont bother psting here anymore and let this topic die naturally.

cosy · July 2007

dunno how to explain my point, i will try the bestt way
for me this is like "hey u get on jail until we check your home, because some neighbors see you whit allot of money and they think u sell drugs"
if the role are removed instant ok he cant steal more
for me if no proof for ban and get baned is unfair
i dont like that preventing/damage control (remember me what bush made)

edit: the rumor say that bob made petitin the to get time to change POS passwords

METALDRAG0N · July 2007

OK i think i see what you are saying now. What they did to resolve this by temporary suspending his account was quite fare for all they knew it was some sort of illegal exploit he did so they had to suspend him just incase. Once they found it was a legit tactic they reactivated him.

So as far as i can see the Mods did nothing wrong at all.

ArmySurplus · July 2007

Originally posted by trentonx

"I cant recall the server"
yeah... your story failed righttt there.

server? oh man if you going to make up a story make up a good one. there is only one server there will always only one server. noob.
if you story is true proof or STFU
and if you edit I will edit

I only played the game about a month, maybe a month and a half when it was first released so I didnt recall it had only one server. The story is true however, as I have no reason to lie about it. I didn't bring it up to boast about it and had I not seen this topic on the front page of the website I wouldn't have recalled it in the first place. I only mentioned it because it fit in the context of the thread being discussed, so believe it or not it really doesn’t make any difference to me.

"The arrogant fool is like a pig that is choked by its own fat." Confucius c.551-c.479BC

Samuraisword · July 2007

But since CCP sanctions RMT trades by allowing isk to be traded for game cards which can then be sold, the virtual theft has a real monetary value. I wonder what would happen if someone sued for being ripped off.

METALDRAG0N · July 2007

Originally posted by ArmySurplus

I only played the game about a month, maybe a month and a half when it was first released so I didnt recall it had only one server. The story is true however, as I have no reason to lie about it. I didn't bring it up to boast about it and had I not seen this topic on the front page of the website I wouldn't have recalled it in the first place. I only mentioned it because it fit in the context of the thread being discussed, so believe it or not it really doesn’t make any difference to me.

"The arrogant fool is like a pig that is choked by its own fat." Confucius c.551-c.479BC

I have to say forgetting EvE operates on only one server [being one of its main selling points] is quite a BIG thing to forget.

Nicoli · July 2007

Originally posted by cosy

dunno how to explain my point, i will try the bestt way

for me this is like "hey u get on jail until we check your home, because some neighbors see you whit allot of money and they think u sell drugs"

if the role are removed instant ok he cant steal more

for me if no proof for ban and get baned is unfair

i dont like that preventing/damage control (remember me what bush made)

edit: the rumor say that bob made petitin the to get time to change POS passwords

More accurate would be, the cops not allowing you access to your goods while they see if it was what was stolen. While that doesn't directly apply since the matter is not if it was stolen but if it was stolen correctly(stealing/hacking an account is bad). So they frozen the account/assets(which real police do) while they checked to make sure everything was legit. This simply provides time to properly investigate while minimizing the amount of people who could get effected other wise you end up with yanking items from people who thought they were rightfully buying them in order to give them back to BoB(which would have been far worse) and if the guy was smart anyway he would have nagged all the important stuff quickly and ran to empire as fast as possible so he wasn't getting anything else after the first set of thefts.

Kurir · July 2007

I think the point here is that the guy got a ban of any type, this kind of stuff has happened in the past and no similar action was taken by CCP against the offender. Sure the amount in question may have been considerably larger but go back a year or two and the impact on a corporation/alliance for a smaller amount would have the same effect. A corporation I belonged to had all of its Highly researched Battleship BPO's stolen by a character named Xaar who was a director. He returned half of the BPO's but kept the rest giving some BS reason. The point I'd like to make is that if this type of activity were to take place out in the real world this guy would be behind bars getting friendly with his new room mates. In Eve however he just thumbs his nose at his former buddies and slaps himself on the back.

Cosy is inferring that BoD is once again getting favorable treatment by this offender having received a Ban during the investigation, which could be the case though CCP did reinstate the account after it determined that its perfectly within the rules. The problem is that in Eve there aren't any rules or I should say legal repercussions for unlawful activity. Eve is a haven for any kind of nefarious behavior because there is aren't consequences to being a thief, pirate, griefer asshat choose your own descriptive term, that can't be easily avoided. CCP wants the players to be the police but thats not possible because a player is a private citizen without the resources to do the job. How far do you think law enforcement would go in your own town if the Judge, Prosecutor, Police Officer etc.. had to provide 100% of their of equipment and replace it themselves each time it got damaged or destroyed... not very far I'd bet.

Sorry for the rant, but in my opinion this guy shouldn't have received any sort of ban at all and placing one this time did have the side effect of appearing once again to favor BoD even if for a short period of time.

Kaynos1972 · July 2007

Another scandal, this game is turning into a soap opera.

METALDRAG0N · July 2007

Originally posted by Aguitha

Another scandal, this game is turning into a soap opera.

What scandal?

LeJohn · July 2007

Originally posted by METALDRAG0N

Originally posted by ArmySurplus

I only played the game about a month, maybe a month and a half when it was first released so I didnt recall it had only one server. The story is true however, as I have no reason to lie about it. I didn't bring it up to boast about it and had I not seen this topic on the front page of the website I wouldn't have recalled it in the first place. I only mentioned it because it fit in the context of the thread being discussed, so believe it or not it really doesn’t make any difference to me.

"The arrogant fool is like a pig that is choked by its own fat." Confucius c.551-c.479BC

I have to say forgetting EvE operates on only one server [being one of its main selling points] is quite a BIG thing to forget.

Actually that is Incorrect, EVE is on one (1) shard but is hosted on multiple servers. Dpending on the star system, the star system(s) share a server node. This is so that if a system gets too many players in it it only lags down the systems on the server while not affecting the rest of the star systems as they are on diffrent servers. Now when I read Army's post I understood that he ment star system. My memory may not be accurate but, Armysurplus was it not in Kub or maybe Im thinking of a diffrent incident as this was a long time ago.

Kyleran · July 2007

I dunno, I'm new to EVE so I'm not sure how feasible this is... but if a major theft like this occurred, I'd marshal all resources to hunt the offender down to the rest of his days. No corporation or alliance would be permitted to harbor him, we'd go to war immediately, both in Empire and free space against anyone who harbored the person....

Hell, I might just offer a ransom for the people he joined to grief him..... people will do almost anything for enough dough..and its not like they can really trust him not to steal from them....

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