My experience on, 4 different servers, Horde wins most of the time against my random pickup team - Alliance won most of the time with Premade.
It's not so much a matter of which side has better 'skills' as it is team work.
Vent helps a lot in Guild Premade as the team members are familiar with each other and we listen and take direction. It's rare to find that kind f cooperation on any Pick up.
Another interesting factor is that I've seen several experienced pvp'rs give up on alliance teams and defect to the horde. Assuming these people are of above average skill, then this would only tend to compound any initial advantage the horde have.
Which would support the theroy that Horde want to do what they can to win, were as the alliance are all "ill save the day" hero types.
Really almost ironically funny when you consider there name is "alliance" yet cant operate as a basic 10 man team.
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Which would support the theroy that Horde want to do what they can to win, were as the alliance are all "ill save the day" hero types.
Really almost ironically funny when you consider there name is "alliance" yet cant operate as a basic 10 man team.
I'd disagree. I've played as horde and as alliance. When I was horde I was part of the team. I was a far worse player than I am now, but didn't notice because we won almost every game (we only lost when outnumbered or heavily out-levelled).
Now, as alliance I'd still love to play as part of the team, and occasionally it happens. But so often I see the team doing something stupid, like zerging in AB or running a ten man defence in WSG that I feel, because my goal is always to win, that the only way forward is to act as a hero. Many times this doesn't work. A lot of my deaths occur because I try to go in against the odds. I will run to support our lone flag carrier, only to find the pair of us dieing to 5 horde. But I still do it, because it's the only thing I can do whilst the rest of my team-mates are running around like headless chickens.
In other words, the difference doesn't lie in the mentality of the heroes - they think much the same way on both sides - but on the people around them.
I hear this all the time - alliance always loses in BGs - but that hasn't been my experience. I play mostly alliance, and I'm definitely a casual player - no real twinks and definitely not the most skilled PVPer. But, I'd say my win percentages are about 95% in AV, 40% in WSG, and maybe 35% in AB (haven't played eye of storm because I started an new account - no 70s yet.) Yes alliance seems to lose more than win in WSG and AB, but it's not so unbalanced that I don't enjoy it or feel the need to gripe. Time of day does make a difference though. During weekdays there are some good alliance players in WSG (yesterday we won 4/5 in a few hour session.) I can't imagine I'm just lucky, because this has been the trend over the course of a year and a half or so.
Wel, all i can say is that you missd playng with some alliance players who very rare lost a battleground pvp vs horde, especialy warsong.
Never played a horde over lvl 20 in 2 years before quiting wow.
I rember that 2 weeks i won nonstop all battlegrounds played, with a premade is true.
Played paladin from wow begining, for 6 months i was server flag carrier in warsong. If i lost any warsong game was coz to tired, boring, or not payng atention after 4-5 hours/day of 6-15 minits/ warsong games. Scoring hundrets of warsong flags evryday, for all team and reserve was like goin to fishing evry day. Its true my succes was based on 2 majored things that i discovered. 2 big bugs that blizzard solved after i emaild to suport service. Most of you guys dont even know about those bugs after 2 years. I was playng on 64 kilo internet conection that time and alot of trouble with ping in wow, playng with ping betwin 100 and 22k. That was the thing that made me to discover those bugs. First bug was Blessing of salvation, these bless that time not only reducing the amount of all threat generated by 30% for 5 min, reducing chance to hit by spell in pvp also (i dont know how much, maibe more, maibe less then 30) by unknown reason. I used to train my team mages, and evrytime i used BOS, mages out of mana, and my paldin resisting at 2-5 spells in a row. Second bug was Lay of hands. Because me playng on a crap internet conection sometimes disconecting from wow, when playng bgs. Hapnd 1 time 20 seconds after i used Lay of hands and scored a flag to be disconectd. When i was back, lay of hands full. I saw that and i know it why is still full, i used and scored again another flag. After that i used alt+tab and disconectd my internet line. Reconectd and back in warsong. lay of hands there at ful charge, no delay. I used those bugs for more then 4 months in pvp or bgs. That time only a sheep spell could stop a paladin who have 3.5+3.5k instant heal +130% armor and shield, instant cure, runing at 150% for more then 30-45 seconds, using swift potions and trinkets, free action potions or bless of freedom, imune to fear from trinket evry 5 minits. With the next patch i rember Blizzard fixed those bugs. i continued to play, still wining nonstop, to much experience from past.
I quitd wow after that coz nothng to do more, i rejoind later on a new server these time mage with some ideas for bgs to play new tricks. Played alot with non premade groups before meeting some very good players. Again my first duty was flag. Scoring in warsong with a frost mage is much easuer then with paly, you got more tricks, you can blink, you can sheep or counter-silence in your way, ice barier, mana shield, ice cube, frost nova. Its a realy satisfaction to play a flag carrier mage in warsong. Is funny. Joined more av and ab bgs with mage. Won over 98 %, and is true with me and all the other alliance was like a dream team, played in battlegrounds alot waiting for TBC to be releasd. And same if we lost because not payng atention to the leader because farming is boring even if any Bg you play finish in 6-10 minits Ab or Av.
Quited wow forever like others peoples that i know and i dont after TBC release because of whats TBC. We espected more.
Wow was a part of my life those days and will be. Got alot of memories, specialy when meeting other servers premades in crossbgs.
For me only a couple of hordes premades that i meet in bgs existed in Wow.
Down here my oldest Wow char, the paly, the guy still have the old lvl 58 pvp gountlers. Last time played with the TBC trial.
Personally, I feel there is an overwhelming sense of "righteousness" on the Alliance side. As if to think they are "good" or "better" or "ultimately going to win this long-ass battle"... I believe this sense comes from the fact that all Alliance races ('cept these new Draenei whatchamacallems) are typical "good" races destined to battle evil wherever it lies.
Sure sure, there are evil humans, dorfs and gnomes... I'm obviously referring to the way the Alliance races are portrayed in WoW as well as all the D&D novels and games and such. There just aren't any Lawful Good Undead Warlocks historically, know what I mean?
Anywho... this overwhelming feeling that a person is right and deserves to win before stepping foot into battle just because they are a Night Elf or Human (or white... should I even have gone there?) distracts them from the truth. It clouds what's really going on. I bet if these Warcraft - fan - wannabe's actually read up on the Warcraft history, they might change their tune.
On the other hand, knocking sense into the minds of Humans (or Night Elves, Gnomes, Dorfs and white people alike) tends to be a fruitless endeavor, but in my opinion, is the REAL good vs evil battle to be fought.
Naaz.
Edit: Shoot, meant to add in the other side of it. Like the fact that the horde has their own sense of righteousness but from an underdog position. Like cornering a wolverine... see one out in the woods and you have a shot at battling one, corner one and yer fekked! After having been beaten down for so long, used and abused, and treated as "evil"... the Horde are sick and tired and ain't gonna take it no more! (just summing it up there, lost my steam after posting then realizing I wasn't finished.)
I hear this all the time - alliance always loses in BGs - but that hasn't been my experience. I play mostly alliance, and I'm definitely a casual player - no real twinks and definitely not the most skilled PVPer. But, I'd say my win percentages are about 95% in AV, 40% in WSG, and maybe 35% in AB (haven't played eye of storm because I started an new account - no 70s yet.) Yes alliance seems to lose more than win in WSG and AB, but it's not so unbalanced that I don't enjoy it or feel the need to gripe. Time of day does make a difference though. During weekdays there are some good alliance players in WSG (yesterday we won 4/5 in a few hour session.) I can't imagine I'm just lucky, because this has been the trend over the course of a year and a half or so.
Your probably playing low lvl battlegrounds then. When most of your teammates are twinks. Its very different.
heh even with shammies on their side they're still losing? I can only guess then that pre max level alliance chars more likely to go below level whilst horde try to go higher. That and maybe the more kids on alliance thing. Guessing alliance still win the majority of AVs though?
Nazzir your right, evrytime i played an alliance character i played at 120% (maibe coz i love my all chararcters, all my main characters ar human race, and i am a half RP gamer)
If i play horde i am feeling very week, is like playng under 60% of my resources, no damn concentration. Horde aint made for me, i just cant playt.
In any Bg you enter if you enter TO KILL hordes, you already lost your sense, and that show your real age, and the real age of peoples next to you.
Bgs games is the alternative to sport games. When you enter in a Bg you enter TO WIN (that involve help and protection to any other player that you know or you dont). YOU CANT WIN ALONE. Bgs ar team base and the team morale and trust ar the tickets to victory.
No matter when you born, no matter how old ar you, no matter how good ar you, if you dont understant what meen cooperation and trust you will remain a very skillfull selfish teenager who farm 20-100 honor/bg ALONE, 24hours/7 days/week
I hear this all the time - alliance always loses in BGs - but that hasn't been my experience. I play mostly alliance, and I'm definitely a casual player - no real twinks and definitely not the most skilled PVPer. But, I'd say my win percentages are about 95% in AV, 40% in WSG, and maybe 35% in AB (haven't played eye of storm because I started an new account - no 70s yet.) Yes alliance seems to lose more than win in WSG and AB, but it's not so unbalanced that I don't enjoy it or feel the need to gripe. Time of day does make a difference though. During weekdays there are some good alliance players in WSG (yesterday we won 4/5 in a few hour session.) I can't imagine I'm just lucky, because this has been the trend over the course of a year and a half or so.
Your probably playing low lvl battlegrounds then. When most of your teammates are twinks. Its very different.
I've played more at level 18-19 and 59-60ish than the others, but I've played a fair amount at 28-29, 38-39, and 48-49, too. But yes, I agree that having a few experienced twinks makes all the difference. Don't get me wrong, I've had my fair share of irritating, disorganized disasters... it's just not so much that I see a huge imbalance.
Lets look at it like this. Horde racials are mostly PVP based Alliance PVE based. On most servers Alliance outnumber horde and usually progress farther so better gear at 70. Now AV is not true PVP its PVP-E and not to mention 2 shadow priests can holde the bridge for alliance against 10 horde. Seen it and done it.
For the most part it seems Alliance are more interested in farming kills because of the "leet" honor they get. Frankly I would rather have no kills 100k healing and win for 400 honor then 40 kills at 1 point each.
"I can only guess then that pre max level alliance chars more likely to go below level whilst horde try to go higher. That and maybe the more kids on alliance thing. Guessing alliance still win the majority of AVs though?"
Originally posted by jerryblue
In any Bg you enter if you enter TO KILL hordes, you already lost your sense, and that show your real age, and the real age of peoples next to you.
Both of these come together more often than not on Alliance side as illustrated by incidents like these:
[level40 in 40-49 battleground]: Today I am 0 for 49 in battlegrounds, I wonder when Alliance ever will win.
Ok folks, people claimed the video link in my last post showing Horde cheating in WSG is from a long time ago and Noggit doesn't work anymore. Well, I'm back with a new video just added that Noggit can and still does work with the current WoW version. Amazingly enough, once again, it's a video of a Horde player using Noggit in WSG. www.youtube.com/watch
Did anyone make any claims regarding your post at all?
Are you that desperate to seek attention that you need to respond to replies that don't exist?
I've pvp'd as alliance and horde and its been my experience that theres idiots on both sides. Theres just more on alliance because more people play as alliance. If more played as horde you'd see the same thing.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
Lets look at it like this. Horde racials are mostly PVP based Alliance PVE based. On most servers Alliance outnumber horde and usually progress farther so better gear at 70. Now AV is not true PVP its PVP-E and not to mention 2 shadow priests can holde the bridge for alliance against 10 horde. Seen it and done it. For the most part it seems Alliance are more interested in farming kills because of the "leet" honor they get. Frankly I would rather have no kills 100k healing and win for 400 honor then 40 kills at 1 point each.
Ok folks, people claimed the video link in my last post showing Horde cheating in WSG is from a long time ago and Noggit doesn't work anymore. Well, I'm back with a new video just added that Noggit can and still does work with the current WoW version. Amazingly enough, once again, it's a video of a Horde player using Noggit in WSG. www.youtube.com/watch
Did anyone make any claims regarding your post at all?
Are you that desperate to seek attention that you need to respond to replies that don't exist?
Not to interfere in the discussion, but the claims the person refers to are most likely on YouTube.
Nothing against horde or anything, But it seems like everyone is saying that ALL people on the alliance are kids/carebears and ALL people on the horde are amazing people who are mature and can PvP.
Mostly true, But, A lot of the times im doing WSG, I set up a premade wiht my friends, we get on vent, and we STEAMROLL the team. We've had 10-0 streaks in both AB and WSG. Ive had many many horde get on theri alliance level 2's and whisper me saying how im "Such a noob who sucks at PvP" This happens quite often now.
Very mature.
Course there are less of them on the horde and more on the alliance, But dont make the stupid mistake that all players follow that mindset. At 70, Alliance is starting to win more, because do to the vast numbers, they have more raids going and more Kara/SSC/TE stuff. If youvve compared the PvP stuff to the Kara stuff, you'll see the kara stuff is much much better. So most of the alliance have better gear, and can use it effectively (Most of the time :P )
I always laugh when I see people that don't know Warcraft lore refer to Horde as EVIL..lol
But anyway for me from what i seen in BGs there are alot more premade Horde groups than Alliance side, and if they're premade (usually all in the same guild) more than likely they're on vent.And for what ever reason Alliance never seem to stick to a game plan if some one does suggest one at the start.I've seen "group 1 go here,group 2 go there, and group 3 go over there , stay and defend your node" we'd be winning for all of 5 minutes then people start "i'm going after thier node'" then 1/2 the groups break when we had enough to win they get stupid and greedy and we end up losing all but 1 node, bugs the crap out of me.
I gave up on the other BGs long time ago stuck with AV after losing the others constantly.A zerg on zerg of random horde and alliance people, Alli seem to come out on top 90% of the time.Seen alot of crazy AV fights the longer the funner.
horde does not win 90% of the time, though i wish they did. also horde does not defend the nodes in ab, they zerg like a bunch of idiots just like the alliance do, of course that is just my battlegroup, not sure about the others.
I play Alliance, and I do agree with the OP about the lack of teamwork in PvP etc...even on my realm(Illidan) however, I found RPing very fun, I always find a good and committed group to raid VC or Stockades with my newb.
Sure, most will just reply in with the usual "Alliance is made up of immature brats"
I think it's time you stop generalizing so much, it really isn't that bad. All I have met are nice people, so much so, the horde are being assholes...
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My experience on, 4 different servers, Horde wins most of the time against my random pickup team - Alliance won most of the time with Premade.
It's not so much a matter of which side has better 'skills' as it is team work.
Vent helps a lot in Guild Premade as the team members are familiar with each other and we listen and take direction. It's rare to find that kind f cooperation on any Pick up.
Horde play more Premade than Alliance in general.
Crimeny, you're still playing WoW?
Another interesting factor is that I've seen several experienced pvp'rs give up on alliance teams and defect to the horde.
Assuming these people are of above average skill, then this would only tend to compound any initial advantage the horde have.
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Really almost ironically funny when you consider there name is "alliance" yet cant operate as a basic 10 man team.
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I'd disagree. I've played as horde and as alliance. When I was horde I was part of the team. I was a far worse player than I am now, but didn't notice because we won almost every game (we only lost when outnumbered or heavily out-levelled).
Now, as alliance I'd still love to play as part of the team, and occasionally it happens. But so often I see the team doing something stupid, like zerging in AB or running a ten man defence in WSG that I feel, because my goal is always to win, that the only way forward is to act as a hero. Many times this doesn't work. A lot of my deaths occur because I try to go in against the odds. I will run to support our lone flag carrier, only to find the pair of us dieing to 5 horde. But I still do it, because it's the only thing I can do whilst the rest of my team-mates are running around like headless chickens.
In other words, the difference doesn't lie in the mentality of the heroes - they think much the same way on both sides - but on the people around them.
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I hear this all the time - alliance always loses in BGs - but that hasn't been my experience. I play mostly alliance, and I'm definitely a casual player - no real twinks and definitely not the most skilled PVPer. But, I'd say my win percentages are about 95% in AV, 40% in WSG, and maybe 35% in AB (haven't played eye of storm because I started an new account - no 70s yet.) Yes alliance seems to lose more than win in WSG and AB, but it's not so unbalanced that I don't enjoy it or feel the need to gripe. Time of day does make a difference though. During weekdays there are some good alliance players in WSG (yesterday we won 4/5 in a few hour session.) I can't imagine I'm just lucky, because this has been the trend over the course of a year and a half or so.
Wel, all i can say is that you missd playng with some alliance players who very rare lost a battleground pvp vs horde, especialy warsong.
Never played a horde over lvl 20 in 2 years before quiting wow.
I rember that 2 weeks i won nonstop all battlegrounds played, with a premade is true.
Played paladin from wow begining, for 6 months i was server flag carrier in warsong. If i lost any warsong game was coz to tired, boring, or not payng atention after 4-5 hours/day of 6-15 minits/ warsong games. Scoring hundrets of warsong flags evryday, for all team and reserve was like goin to fishing evry day. Its true my succes was based on 2 majored things that i discovered. 2 big bugs that blizzard solved after i emaild to suport service. Most of you guys dont even know about those bugs after 2 years. I was playng on 64 kilo internet conection that time and alot of trouble with ping in wow, playng with ping betwin 100 and 22k. That was the thing that made me to discover those bugs. First bug was Blessing of salvation, these bless that time not only reducing the amount of all threat generated by 30% for 5 min, reducing chance to hit by spell in pvp also (i dont know how much, maibe more, maibe less then 30) by unknown reason. I used to train my team mages, and evrytime i used BOS, mages out of mana, and my paldin resisting at 2-5 spells in a row. Second bug was Lay of hands. Because me playng on a crap internet conection sometimes disconecting from wow, when playng bgs. Hapnd 1 time 20 seconds after i used Lay of hands and scored a flag to be disconectd. When i was back, lay of hands full. I saw that and i know it why is still full, i used and scored again another flag. After that i used alt+tab and disconectd my internet line. Reconectd and back in warsong. lay of hands there at ful charge, no delay. I used those bugs for more then 4 months in pvp or bgs. That time only a sheep spell could stop a paladin who have 3.5+3.5k instant heal +130% armor and shield, instant cure, runing at 150% for more then 30-45 seconds, using swift potions and trinkets, free action potions or bless of freedom, imune to fear from trinket evry 5 minits. With the next patch i rember Blizzard fixed those bugs. i continued to play, still wining nonstop, to much experience from past.
I quitd wow after that coz nothng to do more, i rejoind later on a new server these time mage with some ideas for bgs to play new tricks. Played alot with non premade groups before meeting some very good players. Again my first duty was flag. Scoring in warsong with a frost mage is much easuer then with paly, you got more tricks, you can blink, you can sheep or counter-silence in your way, ice barier, mana shield, ice cube, frost nova. Its a realy satisfaction to play a flag carrier mage in warsong. Is funny. Joined more av and ab bgs with mage. Won over 98 %, and is true with me and all the other alliance was like a dream team, played in battlegrounds alot waiting for TBC to be releasd. And same if we lost because not payng atention to the leader
because farming is boring
even if any Bg you play finish in 6-10 minits Ab or Av.
Quited wow forever like others peoples that i know and i dont after TBC release because of whats TBC. We espected more.
Wow was a part of my life those days and will be. Got alot of memories, specialy when meeting other servers premades in crossbgs.
For me only a couple of hordes premades that i meet in bgs existed in Wow.
Down here my oldest Wow char, the paly, the guy still have the old lvl 58 pvp gountlers. Last time played with the TBC trial.
http://armory.wow-europe.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thunderhorn&n=Arlechino
To all who still play wow i wish you to be in 1 of the best alliance teams, with best players that your server can have.
Good Luck!
To the OP:
Personally, I feel there is an overwhelming sense of "righteousness" on the Alliance side. As if to think they are "good" or "better" or "ultimately going to win this long-ass battle"... I believe this sense comes from the fact that all Alliance races ('cept these new Draenei whatchamacallems) are typical "good" races destined to battle evil wherever it lies.
Sure sure, there are evil humans, dorfs and gnomes... I'm obviously referring to the way the Alliance races are portrayed in WoW as well as all the D&D novels and games and such. There just aren't any Lawful Good Undead Warlocks historically, know what I mean?
Anywho... this overwhelming feeling that a person is right and deserves to win before stepping foot into battle just because they are a Night Elf or Human (or white... should I even have gone there?) distracts them from the truth. It clouds what's really going on. I bet if these Warcraft - fan - wannabe's actually read up on the Warcraft history, they might change their tune.
On the other hand, knocking sense into the minds of Humans (or Night Elves, Gnomes, Dorfs and white people alike) tends to be a fruitless endeavor, but in my opinion, is the REAL good vs evil battle to be fought.
Naaz.
Edit: Shoot, meant to add in the other side of it. Like the fact that the horde has their own sense of righteousness but from an underdog position. Like cornering a wolverine... see one out in the woods and you have a shot at battling one, corner one and yer fekked! After having been beaten down for so long, used and abused, and treated as "evil"... the Horde are sick and tired and ain't gonna take it no more! (just summing it up there, lost my steam after posting then realizing I wasn't finished.)
Your probably playing low lvl battlegrounds then. When most of your teammates are twinks. Its very different.
heh even with shammies on their side they're still losing? I can only guess then that pre max level alliance chars more likely to go below level whilst horde try to go higher. That and maybe the more kids on alliance thing. Guessing alliance still win the majority of AVs though?
Nazzir your right, evrytime i played an alliance character i played at 120% (maibe coz i love my all chararcters, all my main characters ar human race, and i am a half RP gamer)
If i play horde i am feeling very week, is like playng under 60% of my resources, no damn concentration. Horde aint made for me, i just cant playt.
In any Bg you enter if you enter TO KILL hordes, you already lost your sense, and that show your real age, and the real age of peoples next to you.
Bgs games is the alternative to sport games. When you enter in a Bg you enter TO WIN (that involve help and protection to any other player that you know or you dont). YOU CANT WIN ALONE. Bgs ar team base and the team morale and trust ar the tickets to victory.
No matter when you born, no matter how old ar you, no matter how good ar you, if you dont understant what meen cooperation and trust you will remain a very skillfull selfish teenager who farm 20-100 honor/bg ALONE, 24hours/7 days/week
Your probably playing low lvl battlegrounds then. When most of your teammates are twinks. Its very different.
I've played more at level 18-19 and 59-60ish than the others, but I've played a fair amount at 28-29, 38-39, and 48-49, too. But yes, I agree that having a few experienced twinks makes all the difference. Don't get me wrong, I've had my fair share of irritating, disorganized disasters... it's just not so much that I see a huge imbalance.
Lets look at it like this. Horde racials are mostly PVP based Alliance PVE based. On most servers Alliance outnumber horde and usually progress farther so better gear at 70. Now AV is not true PVP its PVP-E and not to mention 2 shadow priests can holde the bridge for alliance against 10 horde. Seen it and done it.
For the most part it seems Alliance are more interested in farming kills because of the "leet" honor they get. Frankly I would rather have no kills 100k healing and win for 400 honor then 40 kills at 1 point each.
Both of these come together more often than not on Alliance side as illustrated by incidents like these:
[level40 in 40-49 battleground]: Today I am 0 for 49 in battlegrounds, I wonder when Alliance ever will win.
[level 49]: What is the plan for AB this match?
[level 40]: KILL HORDE! FOR THE ALLIANCE!
Me: And you wonder why you are 0 for 49?
Warsong Gulch------> H=Horde A=Alliance
Now as usual alliance would try and work as a team. Same with horde.
Hypothesis- Event- Conclusion-
Horde- work as team and win Horde successfuly takes (A) flag Horde- 2/3
Alliance- kill horde and try to win Alliance are getting resurrected from rez healer Alliance- 1/3
End of BG-
Horde- 3/3 (win)
Alliance- 7 out of 10 people would do '/afk' or leave for another battleground
NOW that was just a theory how normal warsong gulch would go
AB is the same and same with Eye of the Storm
Unfortanetly alliance usually win AV and Arena is just for the fun of things
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I've pvp'd as alliance and horde and its been my experience that theres idiots on both sides. Theres just more on alliance because more people play as alliance. If more played as horde you'd see the same thing.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
This appears to be a good statement, rock on!
Are you that desperate to seek attention that you need to respond to replies that don't exist?
Not to interfere in the discussion, but the claims the person refers to are most likely on YouTube.
Nothing against horde or anything, But it seems like everyone is saying that ALL people on the alliance are kids/carebears and ALL people on the horde are amazing people who are mature and can PvP.
Mostly true, But, A lot of the times im doing WSG, I set up a premade wiht my friends, we get on vent, and we STEAMROLL the team. We've had 10-0 streaks in both AB and WSG. Ive had many many horde get on theri alliance level 2's and whisper me saying how im "Such a noob who sucks at PvP" This happens quite often now.
Very mature.
Course there are less of them on the horde and more on the alliance, But dont make the stupid mistake that all players follow that mindset. At 70, Alliance is starting to win more, because do to the vast numbers, they have more raids going and more Kara/SSC/TE stuff. If youvve compared the PvP stuff to the Kara stuff, you'll see the kara stuff is much much better. So most of the alliance have better gear, and can use it effectively (Most of the time :P )
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The Horde have better Racial Abilities.
Period. Point Blank.
It's not unbalancing 1v1, but it is 15v15.
It's been mathematically proven.
I always laugh when I see people that don't know Warcraft lore refer to Horde as EVIL..lol
But anyway for me from what i seen in BGs there are alot more premade Horde groups than Alliance side, and if they're premade (usually all in the same guild) more than likely they're on vent.And for what ever reason Alliance never seem to stick to a game plan if some one does suggest one at the start.I've seen "group 1 go here,group 2 go there, and group 3 go over there , stay and defend your node" we'd be winning for all of 5 minutes then people start "i'm going after thier node'" then 1/2 the groups break when we had enough to win they get stupid and greedy and we end up losing all but 1 node, bugs the crap out of me.
I gave up on the other BGs long time ago stuck with AV after losing the others constantly.A zerg on zerg of random horde and alliance people, Alli seem to come out on top 90% of the time.Seen alot of crazy AV fights the longer the funner.
horde does not win 90% of the time, though i wish they did. also horde does not defend the nodes in ab, they zerg like a bunch of idiots just like the alliance do, of course that is just my battlegroup, not sure about the others.
I play Alliance, and I do agree with the OP about the lack of teamwork in PvP etc...even on my realm(Illidan) however, I found RPing very fun, I always find a good and committed group to raid VC or Stockades with my newb.
Sure, most will just reply in with the usual "Alliance is made up of immature brats"
I think it's time you stop generalizing so much, it really isn't that bad. All I have met are nice people, so much so, the horde are being assholes...
No one can be good at everything...
Peace
-FahrenheitTH