We are also finalizing the Brotherhood system. This will allow you and your Brotherhood members to share XP, even when your characters are offline." Bill explained that it was a device to keep friends together. Now THIS is a great idea! Neat new take on a way of keeping friends together in a MMORPG. It will be interesting to see if they can make this mechanic work.
This is a very old idea thought up by Sigil and was called the Fellowship system. I don't remember Sigil implementing it but they still deserve credit for thinking of it.
If Sigil thought it up, why didn't they implement it?
I can say I thought up the idea for anti-gravity boots. That doesn't mean I should get credit for them if someone else makes a working pair.
Talk is cheap. Getting an idea to work is what makes one deserving of credit. Of course, the SOE people sitll have to show they can implement the idea successfully.
It was called fellowships then this other game came out and all of a sudden they were changing the name to brotherhood.
Don't think Sigil promised it at release, and I recall something about making sure it wasn't exploitable.
Just logged off the game myself. Ended up playing for about 4 hours. Haven't done that in a while.
We are also finalizing the Brotherhood system. This will allow you and your Brotherhood members to share XP, even when your characters are offline." Bill explained that it was a device to keep friends together. Now THIS is a great idea! Neat new take on a way of keeping friends together in a MMORPG. It will be interesting to see if they can make this mechanic work.
This is a very old idea thought up by Sigil and was called the Fellowship system. I don't remember Sigil implementing it but they still deserve credit for thinking of it.
If Sigil thought it up, why didn't they implement it?
I can say I thought up the idea for anti-gravity boots. That doesn't mean I should get credit for them if someone else makes a working pair.
Talk is cheap. Getting an idea to work is what makes one deserving of credit. Of course, the SOE people sitll have to show they can implement the idea successfully.
The concept was supposed to be incorporated into this game prior to it's release. You wont be able to confirm it since Sigil shut down their Official forums ( not to be mistaken with the Sony VGSOH Forums ) But I do recall that being one of its promised features.
We are also finalizing the Brotherhood system. This will allow you and your Brotherhood members to share XP, even when your characters are offline." Bill explained that it was a device to keep friends together. Now THIS is a great idea! Neat new take on a way of keeping friends together in a MMORPG. It will be interesting to see if they can make this mechanic work.
This is a very old idea thought up by Sigil and was called the Fellowship system. I don't remember Sigil implementing it but they still deserve credit for thinking of it.
If Sigil thought it up, why didn't they implement it?
I can say I thought up the idea for anti-gravity boots. That doesn't mean I should get credit for them if someone else makes a working pair.
Talk is cheap. Getting an idea to work is what makes one deserving of credit. Of course, the SOE people sitll have to show they can implement the idea successfully.
The concept was supposed to be incorporated into this game prior to it's release. You wont be able to confirm it since Sigil shut down their Official forums ( not to be mistaken with the Sony VGSOH Forums ) But I do recall that being one of its promised features.
There's been tab in the social interface since release for it.
This used to be called fellowship in Vanguard. The name was changed due to confusion brought by LOTRO groups being called the same thing.
Fellowships were implemented near the end of beta 5, but the system was bugged and caused people to level up to 5 times faster then intended. Fellowships were removed after less then one day, and have not been put back in since.
This feature was one of the features I was most looking forward to in Vanguard... I hope they get it working, and I hope that other MMO's borrow the idea! I play with a group of about 7 other friends and family members,and keeping everyone near the same level in a new MMO is always impossible.
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I would be willing to invest my money in Vanguard and give it a shot, but the performance reviews by players have held me off so far. I have an Intel DuoCore Processor with 3.0 Ghz of speed. 1gig of RAM and a Nvidia Geforce 7300 LE graphics card. According to the performance testing third party website, I am inbetween Recommended and Minimum, but according to actual players the game wouldn't be playable on my system. I'm not quite ready to invest in another gig of ram and another graphics card when I just bought this one a year ago. Maybe others are in the same boat as I am, which is one of the real reasons why this game hasn't grown.
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I have to disagree about performance increasing since SOE took over.
Since SOE took over:
1. Performance is noticably worse. Each patch has resulted in mroe crashes and more lag.
2, Gold seller spam is up ten fold.
3. The rate of new content beiong introducded is almost non-existant.
Why are things so much worse since SOE took over? is it because they have only half the staff Sigil had or is it because they don't care. My guess is the latter.
I thought Bill made it pretty clear they dont care about the grind problem when he just shrugged off the fact that players need to make Vanguard their second job before being able to own a guild hall (which WAS one of the few interesting features VG had going for it...I guess not anymore). Theres something very fundamentally wrong with that.
so, why shouldn't a GUILD hall require a GUILD effort to build it....?
"We aren't going to ... Period. End of statement."
Brotherhood system? That is a useless feature. Vanguard is a pitiful, pathetic, mess of a game. Just shoot it like a horse with a broken leg. Take it out of it's misery.
I am sure the VG Devs would rather work on SOE's "The Agency" instead of that mess.
If Bill actually stood up and said they lowered the land costs, maintenance fees, and materials needed to build player cities in game , THAT would be something to get excited about...but not this terrible PR review that basically laughs at the amount of work needed to own a fun feature in the game, and not the 'brotherhood' system that was supposed to be in at beta for crying out loud (better known as the Fellowship system Brad always boasted about)
PUSSIES QUIT TRYING TO RUIN THIS BY MAKING IT EASIER. GET PAST LEVEL 25 PLEASE AND MAYBE TRY SOME CRAFTING.
OMG crafting was the biggest grind in the entire game! once you got past lvl 25-30 crafter you had to spend hours and hours grinding work orders or making crap you wouldnt use just to gain a slither of %!
I played from bout beta 3.5 / 4 onwards and never got to see the real "vision" that was apparently beta 2, but what was worse was all the promises they broke over essential gameplay mechanics, such as the fellowships, and game not having item decay as it is now,
But did any of you guys read the interviews some guy did with a fired member of the team and Brad?
Some of the stuff they were coming out with was amazing!
i am going back to the game this weekend without a doubt. i feel i have to due to all the haters of this game, wierd but they are actually making me want to try it again.
all the rubbish that i have read in this post from players that dont like the game makes me feel sad for our community. i mean come on, why hate it so much? lets face it there are much worse games out there, granted there are better too. but the fact is the game is huge and has a lot of problems, but even with all these problems it is still up there in as far as gameplay goes. and talk about grind? have you ever played a mmorg before? go to many other sites and the more mature players realise that these styles of games need to be a gring to last. EQ is still fondly remembered as being the classic mmorg. i played it for 7 years and it was a hell of a grind. but what an enjoyable grind it was. ok some of you like other things in games, so why the hell you here still trying to put us of playing it?
give me a proper reason, i really want to hear your clever replys to this. call me a vanboiy if you want i dont care. and i am not gonna try to convince you people to play it. i would rather you didn't to be honest. leave the game for us who enjoy it and you guys go and complain about games on a forum somewhere. even VG if you want, just do us all a favour and either complain construcively or go elsewhere.
sorry to blow of a bit some of what i read was pathetic to the extreme.
I must admit that after playing many mmos for nearly a decade I decided to give Vanguard a go and am quite enjoying it at the moment. Trying to locate npcs in elven tree city is a pain, and learning to craft is not for the feint hearted.
It can be a bit lonely after say LOTRO but it sure has more depth.
sorry i am a game player, the politics of it all dont bother me at all.
what does bother me is that people who are obviously not going to play the game again, for some stupid reason seem to have such an interest on these forums? if the game is that bad and uninteresting to you all, then go away..please.
i am not trying to convince anyone to play the game. i dont want most of you to play it, i think that would ruin any chance of a decent mature community. i just dont wish you to try to convince me and others to leave. i wish you would let sleeping dogs lie and let us that want to play or try the game to do just that.
Sad to see a game fall that hard, that fast. I hope they can pick it up off the floor. Not for SOE's sake, but for the sake of all the smaller devs/artists/writers who contributed their lives for several years, and the hundreds of fans who faithfully followed its progress.
sorry i am a game player, the politics of it all dont bother me at all. what does bother me is that people who are obviously not going to play the game again, for some stupid reason seem to have such an interest on these forums? if the game is that bad and uninteresting to you all, then go away..please. i am not trying to convince anyone to play the game. i dont want most of you to play it, i think that would ruin any chance of a decent mature community. i just dont wish you to try to convince me and others to leave. i wish you would let sleeping dogs lie and let us that want to play or try the game to do just that.
agreed, I have found that there are more folks on these forums bashing games and trying to discourage people from playing them. This site can be a very misleading source if your trying to find out the quality of a game and what it has to offer.
Hm, nothing really specific. I just marveld about two things:
"Bill had recently seen the bill of materials required to construct a Guild Hall and marveled at the sheer volume of work that would be required to undertake such a task. I had to chuckle. Well, it's a huge structure meant to house many people. In the real world, that bill of materials would be much larger and longer. Players have been waiting for that for a long time, I mentioned. "I can't believe the amount of resources it's going to take!" exclaimed Bill, "but it's going to be very neat as it involves all three spheres of gameplay in Vanguard. Diplomats, Crafters as well as Adventurers have to be involved to create a Guild hall."
They STILL dont GET IT. Housing the building ships is a nice feature. but for making things which are 99% useless and merely fancy they are FAR too complicated and involve far too many people to make. Its not everyone that knows 30 different people willing to work for him! I played SWG many years and housing or starships later with the addon were not easy to get either. But you didnt need to know an entire guild of crafters! You got the money and one crafter made you the stuff, end of the story. And damn are those VG houses TINY! I mean, the biggest version I have ever seen is barely the size of the smallest SWG house. Those tier 1 houses have roughly the size of a prison cell - and the charm of it. And all the big work and money for THAT? Sorry, but not with me. I dont think that will attract more than very hardcorish ppl once more. Its just they dont get the damn message what the problem of VG is.
"I was informed that John Hegner was recently also designated "Lore Master", and his task is to straighten out the many stories that are in Vanguard and mesh them into a cohesive whole. As Bill tells me, John has also been with Vanguard since day one, and is an avid table-top gamer. "The stories in Vanguard were disconnected. John's task is to bring them all together and also lead us into future story arcs."
Thats good to know. Much of the quest and lore stuff need an overhaul. I am from a pen and paper background too, so this sounds promising at least. Lets hope there are players left until they are ready. Time seems to be running out.
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Anyone see some irony here? SOE made sweeping changes with SWG against the wishes of the (most) player-base, and they ended up getting burned for it. Now it seems that many players *want SOE to make sweeping changes to the core of VSoH, but it doesn't sound like they'll do it. I wonder if Vanguard would already be a dramatically different animal if SOE hadn't recently gone through the NGE fiasco.
Great! I really wondered I was the only one to think so. Good to see someone with intelligence here. ^^
After NGE I guess SOE is too afraid now for real changes, and thats an irony, because if VG falls it will be because they didnt dare to make deep enough changes. What a wonderful irony indeed.
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At this moment in time i doubt i will go back to VG, i still feel ripped off for purchasing the game in the 1st place with all teh bugs and problems, not to mention letting most of the free months play die to 1. problems with the game 2. finding bugged quest after bugged quest after loads of other bugs. The game was just plainly not very playable. I am in early beta for a game right now, and that is playing 100% better (although they have yet to add loads of content).
Unless Sony do something significant to pull us x-vanguard players back and take a new look at it, because that is what it is going to take to get alot of old players back. Right now, as far as i am concerning, the game has cancer and should be put down, end of!
What is meant by 'flying mounts are in production'? We were using flying mounts as early as Beta 3, and their bugs were ironed out by Beta 4. Did I miss something? Were they removed at release?
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What is meant by 'flying mounts are in production'? We were using flying mounts as early as Beta 3, and their bugs were ironed out by Beta 4. Did I miss something? Were they removed at release?
I honestly really enjoyed myself playing Vanguard, and dont understand all the venom it gets.
My only beef with the game is how it ran on my computer, it was choppy as hell.
I'm very glad to hear that its running better. I hope to return to the game and see it running smooth and they'll have me as a loyal customer. Keep up the good work guys!
At this moment in time i doubt i will go back to VG, i still feel ripped off for purchasing the game in the 1st place with all teh bugs and problems, not to mention letting most of the free months play die to 1. problems with the game 2. finding bugged quest after bugged quest after loads of other bugs. The game was just plainly not very playable. I am in early beta for a game right now, and that is playing 100% better (although they have yet to add loads of content). Unless Sony do something significant to pull us x-vanguard players back and take a new look at it, because that is what it is going to take to get alot of old players back. Right now, as far as i am concerning, the game has cancer and should be put down, end of!
SOE is trying to compensate people who were ripped off by Vanguard by giving them a couple of free EQ2 expansions and free EQ2 playtime.
At this moment in time i doubt i will go back to VG, i still feel ripped off for purchasing the game in the 1st place with all teh bugs and problems, not to mention letting most of the free months play die to 1. problems with the game 2. finding bugged quest after bugged quest after loads of other bugs. The game was just plainly not very playable. I am in early beta for a game right now, and that is playing 100% better (although they have yet to add loads of content). Unless Sony do something significant to pull us x-vanguard players back and take a new look at it, because that is what it is going to take to get alot of old players back. Right now, as far as i am concerning, the game has cancer and should be put down, end of!
SOE is trying to compensate people who were ripped off by Vanguard by giving them a couple of free EQ2 expansions and free EQ2 playtime.
Hm not a bad move. Play EQ2 while we fix VG. Not bad.
Just one thing: WHAT has a semi-nude women to do with fantasy gaming? I mean ok, generally the female gender's beauty is not what I am into anyways, so my question goes more to the straights: do you really think its appropriate the depict boobs on every damn game? I mean, its just as silly as those seminude girls in those car-shows. I mean, even if they would use semi nude men, I would just laugh, because WTH has that to do with a funny fantasy game? I mean, maybe I am too old fashioned with my Tolkien-standarts. I guess is Tolkien would have been first published in 2007 we'd see the big boobs of Galadriel on the cover. Seriously, this is so "simple catch straight males attention" aka Nerd-trap, imagining dozens of pimples nerd teens who dont see boobs otherwise. Tsk. Just for a second imagine instead of swollen boob-girls swollen crotch-boy on every 2nd game pack today. So silly. I had many good games but the teen-style package often made me grab it only with a really long fork mumbling something to the salesmen "its for my teenage nephew"... Like Two worlds.... *Shudder* I am really not prude, but erotic to erotic mags and gaming to games and dont mix it.
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I honestly really enjoyed myself playing Vanguard, and dont understand all the venom it gets.
It's posts like these that have been confusing me since Vanguard came out. People saying they're enjoying the game or that it runs fine for them.
The game had over a 1,000 bugs at launch (and those were just the ones SOE found in the first week and a half after they took over - who knows how many Sigil found themselves - oh wait, it must have been about a dozen or so)
How the HECK can anyone play a game with 1,000+ bugs and claim to enjoy it or that it even ran well which many others have claimed??
At least now we know who should have been believed during all these months - everyone who tried to warn off others about the unplayable, bug-fest that was Vanguard at launch. Everyone that has been spouting all that venom that the game earned for itself.
But the SOE interview wasn't a 5 page long,rambling rant spouting nonsense about some 'Vision' so I'm willing to give a free trial a try. If only to see if this game is really as casual friendly as the pre-Sigil-implosion hype claimed or if that's just more BS spouted out by a Vanbois on the Forum.
Originally posted by Elikal Just one thing: WHAT has a semi-nude women to do with fantasy gaming? I mean ok, generally the female gender's beauty is not what I am into anyways, so my question goes more to the straights: do you really think its appropriate the depict boobs on every damn game?
What universe are you living in? That's like asking why they have women wearing tight T-shirts in beer commercials. What does a well-developed bust have to do with a beer's taste or alcoholic properties? As much as it has anything to do with a fantasy game. (Though in truth, thanks to artists like Boris Vallejo and Luis Royo you could argue that scantily clad women have MORE to do with a fantasy game than any beverage)
But there is one cold, solid fact that no one can ignore - it sells product. And as long as it does (in other words as long as there are straight guys with money) then they will continue to be used to sell product, whether its games, beer or lawn chairs.
As to whether it's an appropriate form of advertising, there's a rather large faction of the relgious right who would be more than willing to see this kind of advertising censored and then go on to tell us what else is appropriate for us to see, hear, eat and think. Fortunately these people aren't allowed to do that and gaming companies are allowed the freedom to use the kind of ads that they want and the kinds of ads that catch their customer's attention.
Is it silly? You're talking about an ad for a game where a virtual, pixelated cartoon character runs around a make-believe world. And people are PAYING for it. We're well past the line of silly at this point. And that's probably what helps to make it fun. Start censoring silly and things would probably be a lot less fun.
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This is a very old idea thought up by Sigil and was called the Fellowship system. I don't remember Sigil implementing it but they still deserve credit for thinking of it.
If Sigil thought it up, why didn't they implement it?
I can say I thought up the idea for anti-gravity boots. That doesn't mean I should get credit for them if someone else makes a working pair.
Talk is cheap. Getting an idea to work is what makes one deserving of credit. Of course, the SOE people sitll have to show they can implement the idea successfully.
It was called fellowships then this other game came out and all of a sudden they were changing the name to brotherhood.Don't think Sigil promised it at release, and I recall something about making sure it wasn't exploitable.
Just logged off the game myself. Ended up playing for about 4 hours. Haven't done that in a while.
Wish Darkfall would release.
This is a very old idea thought up by Sigil and was called the Fellowship system. I don't remember Sigil implementing it but they still deserve credit for thinking of it.
If Sigil thought it up, why didn't they implement it?
I can say I thought up the idea for anti-gravity boots. That doesn't mean I should get credit for them if someone else makes a working pair.
Talk is cheap. Getting an idea to work is what makes one deserving of credit. Of course, the SOE people sitll have to show they can implement the idea successfully.
The concept was supposed to be incorporated into this game prior to it's release. You wont be able to confirm it since Sigil shut down their Official forums ( not to be mistaken with the Sony VGSOH Forums ) But I do recall that being one of its promised features.
This is a very old idea thought up by Sigil and was called the Fellowship system. I don't remember Sigil implementing it but they still deserve credit for thinking of it.
If Sigil thought it up, why didn't they implement it?
I can say I thought up the idea for anti-gravity boots. That doesn't mean I should get credit for them if someone else makes a working pair.
Talk is cheap. Getting an idea to work is what makes one deserving of credit. Of course, the SOE people sitll have to show they can implement the idea successfully.
The concept was supposed to be incorporated into this game prior to it's release. You wont be able to confirm it since Sigil shut down their Official forums ( not to be mistaken with the Sony VGSOH Forums ) But I do recall that being one of its promised features.
There's been tab in the social interface since release for it.
Wish Darkfall would release.
This used to be called fellowship in Vanguard. The name was changed due to confusion brought by LOTRO groups being called the same thing.
Fellowships were implemented near the end of beta 5, but the system was bugged and caused people to level up to 5 times faster then intended. Fellowships were removed after less then one day, and have not been put back in since.
This feature was one of the features I was most looking forward to in Vanguard... I hope they get it working, and I hope that other MMO's borrow the idea! I play with a group of about 7 other friends and family members,and keeping everyone near the same level in a new MMO is always impossible.
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I would be willing to invest my money in Vanguard and give it a shot, but the performance reviews by players have held me off so far. I have an Intel DuoCore Processor with 3.0 Ghz of speed. 1gig of RAM and a Nvidia Geforce 7300 LE graphics card. According to the performance testing third party website, I am inbetween Recommended and Minimum, but according to actual players the game wouldn't be playable on my system. I'm not quite ready to invest in another gig of ram and another graphics card when I just bought this one a year ago. Maybe others are in the same boat as I am, which is one of the real reasons why this game hasn't grown.
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I have to disagree about performance increasing since SOE took over.
Since SOE took over:
1. Performance is noticably worse. Each patch has resulted in mroe crashes and more lag.
2, Gold seller spam is up ten fold.
3. The rate of new content beiong introducded is almost non-existant.
Why are things so much worse since SOE took over? is it because they have only half the staff Sigil had or is it because they don't care. My guess is the latter.
wow! cursing AND shouting... impressive!
so, why shouldn't a GUILD hall require a GUILD effort to build it....?
"We aren't going to ... Period. End of statement."
ya. ok. whatever.
but what do i know, i'm only a vanbois i'm told.
Brotherhood system? That is a useless feature. Vanguard is a pitiful, pathetic, mess of a game. Just shoot it like a horse with a broken leg. Take it out of it's misery.
I am sure the VG Devs would rather work on SOE's "The Agency" instead of that mess.
PUSSIES QUIT TRYING TO RUIN THIS BY MAKING IT EASIER. GET PAST LEVEL 25 PLEASE AND MAYBE TRY SOME CRAFTING.
OMG crafting was the biggest grind in the entire game! once you got past lvl 25-30 crafter you had to spend hours and hours grinding work orders or making crap you wouldnt use just to gain a slither of %!
I played from bout beta 3.5 / 4 onwards and never got to see the real "vision" that was apparently beta 2, but what was worse was all the promises they broke over essential gameplay mechanics, such as the fellowships, and game not having item decay as it is now,
But did any of you guys read the interviews some guy did with a fired member of the team and Brad?
Some of the stuff they were coming out with was amazing!
i am going back to the game this weekend without a doubt. i feel i have to due to all the haters of this game, wierd but they are actually making me want to try it again.
all the rubbish that i have read in this post from players that dont like the game makes me feel sad for our community. i mean come on, why hate it so much? lets face it there are much worse games out there, granted there are better too. but the fact is the game is huge and has a lot of problems, but even with all these problems it is still up there in as far as gameplay goes. and talk about grind? have you ever played a mmorg before? go to many other sites and the more mature players realise that these styles of games need to be a gring to last. EQ is still fondly remembered as being the classic mmorg. i played it for 7 years and it was a hell of a grind. but what an enjoyable grind it was. ok some of you like other things in games, so why the hell you here still trying to put us of playing it?
give me a proper reason, i really want to hear your clever replys to this. call me a vanboiy if you want i dont care. and i am not gonna try to convince you people to play it. i would rather you didn't to be honest. leave the game for us who enjoy it and you guys go and complain about games on a forum somewhere. even VG if you want, just do us all a favour and either complain construcively or go elsewhere.
sorry to blow of a bit some of what i read was pathetic to the extreme.
Which is more pathetic? One who smiles with kindness that took your moneys in false pretense on a unready unfinished buggy cranky game?.
OR
SOE staff/developers posted on public forum pretending to be some new kid on the block in disguise by pointing out how great Vanguard is under SOE?.
You dont fool me.
I must admit that after playing many mmos for nearly a decade I decided to give Vanguard a go and am quite enjoying it at the moment. Trying to locate npcs in elven tree city is a pain, and learning to craft is not for the feint hearted.
It can be a bit lonely after say LOTRO but it sure has more depth.
Chrim
sorry i am a game player, the politics of it all dont bother me at all.
what does bother me is that people who are obviously not going to play the game again, for some stupid reason seem to have such an interest on these forums? if the game is that bad and uninteresting to you all, then go away..please.
i am not trying to convince anyone to play the game. i dont want most of you to play it, i think that would ruin any chance of a decent mature community. i just dont wish you to try to convince me and others to leave. i wish you would let sleeping dogs lie and let us that want to play or try the game to do just that.
Sad to see a game fall that hard, that fast. I hope they can pick it up off the floor. Not for SOE's sake, but for the sake of all the smaller devs/artists/writers who contributed their lives for several years, and the hundreds of fans who faithfully followed its progress.
Good luck Vanguard!
agreed, I have found that there are more folks on these forums bashing games and trying to discourage people from playing them. This site can be a very misleading source if your trying to find out the quality of a game and what it has to offer.
Hm, nothing really specific. I just marveld about two things:
"Bill had recently seen the bill of materials required to construct a Guild Hall and marveled at the sheer volume of work that would be required to undertake such a task. I had to chuckle. Well, it's a huge structure meant to house many people. In the real world, that bill of materials would be much larger and longer. Players have been waiting for that for a long time, I mentioned. "I can't believe the amount of resources it's going to take!" exclaimed Bill, "but it's going to be very neat as it involves all three spheres of gameplay in Vanguard. Diplomats, Crafters as well as Adventurers have to be involved to create a Guild hall."
They STILL dont GET IT. Housing the building ships is a nice feature. but for making things which are 99% useless and merely fancy they are FAR too complicated and involve far too many people to make. Its not everyone that knows 30 different people willing to work for him! I played SWG many years and housing or starships later with the addon were not easy to get either. But you didnt need to know an entire guild of crafters! You got the money and one crafter made you the stuff, end of the story. And damn are those VG houses TINY! I mean, the biggest version I have ever seen is barely the size of the smallest SWG house. Those tier 1 houses have roughly the size of a prison cell - and the charm of it. And all the big work and money for THAT? Sorry, but not with me. I dont think that will attract more than very hardcorish ppl once more. Its just they dont get the damn message what the problem of VG is.
"I was informed that John Hegner was recently also designated "Lore Master", and his task is to straighten out the many stories that are in Vanguard and mesh them into a cohesive whole. As Bill tells me, John has also been with Vanguard since day one, and is an avid table-top gamer. "The stories in Vanguard were disconnected. John's task is to bring them all together and also lead us into future story arcs."
Thats good to know. Much of the quest and lore stuff need an overhaul. I am from a pen and paper background too, so this sounds promising at least. Lets hope there are players left until they are ready. Time seems to be running out.
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Great! I really wondered I was the only one to think so. Good to see someone with intelligence here. ^^
After NGE I guess SOE is too afraid now for real changes, and thats an irony, because if VG falls it will be because they didnt dare to make deep enough changes. What a wonderful irony indeed.
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At this moment in time i doubt i will go back to VG, i still feel ripped off for purchasing the game in the 1st place with all teh bugs and problems, not to mention letting most of the free months play die to 1. problems with the game 2. finding bugged quest after bugged quest after loads of other bugs. The game was just plainly not very playable. I am in early beta for a game right now, and that is playing 100% better (although they have yet to add loads of content).
Unless Sony do something significant to pull us x-vanguard players back and take a new look at it, because that is what it is going to take to get alot of old players back. Right now, as far as i am concerning, the game has cancer and should be put down, end of!
What is meant by 'flying mounts are in production'? We were using flying mounts as early as Beta 3, and their bugs were ironed out by Beta 4. Did I miss something? Were they removed at release?
Yep, they were
I honestly really enjoyed myself playing Vanguard, and dont understand all the venom it gets.
My only beef with the game is how it ran on my computer, it was choppy as hell.
I'm very glad to hear that its running better. I hope to return to the game and see it running smooth and they'll have me as a loyal customer. Keep up the good work guys!
Hm not a bad move. Play EQ2 while we fix VG. Not bad.
Just one thing: WHAT has a semi-nude women to do with fantasy gaming? I mean ok, generally the female gender's beauty is not what I am into anyways, so my question goes more to the straights: do you really think its appropriate the depict boobs on every damn game? I mean, its just as silly as those seminude girls in those car-shows. I mean, even if they would use semi nude men, I would just laugh, because WTH has that to do with a funny fantasy game? I mean, maybe I am too old fashioned with my Tolkien-standarts. I guess is Tolkien would have been first published in 2007 we'd see the big boobs of Galadriel on the cover. Seriously, this is so "simple catch straight males attention" aka Nerd-trap, imagining dozens of pimples nerd teens who dont see boobs otherwise. Tsk. Just for a second imagine instead of swollen boob-girls swollen crotch-boy on every 2nd game pack today. So silly. I had many good games but the teen-style package often made me grab it only with a really long fork mumbling something to the salesmen "its for my teenage nephew"... Like Two worlds.... *Shudder* I am really not prude, but erotic to erotic mags and gaming to games and dont mix it.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
It's posts like these that have been confusing me since Vanguard came out. People saying they're enjoying the game or that it runs fine for them.
The game had over a 1,000 bugs at launch (and those were just the ones SOE found in the first week and a half after they took over - who knows how many Sigil found themselves - oh wait, it must have been about a dozen or so)
How the HECK can anyone play a game with 1,000+ bugs and claim to enjoy it or that it even ran well which many others have claimed??
At least now we know who should have been believed during all these months - everyone who tried to warn off others about the unplayable, bug-fest that was Vanguard at launch. Everyone that has been spouting all that venom that the game earned for itself.
But the SOE interview wasn't a 5 page long,rambling rant spouting nonsense about some 'Vision' so I'm willing to give a free trial a try. If only to see if this game is really as casual friendly as the pre-Sigil-implosion hype claimed or if that's just more BS spouted out by a Vanbois on the Forum.
What universe are you living in? That's like asking why they have women wearing tight T-shirts in beer commercials. What does a well-developed bust have to do with a beer's taste or alcoholic properties? As much as it has anything to do with a fantasy game.
(Though in truth, thanks to artists like Boris Vallejo and Luis Royo you could argue that scantily clad women have MORE to do with a fantasy game than any beverage)
But there is one cold, solid fact that no one can ignore - it sells product. And as long as it does (in other words as long as there are straight guys with money) then they will continue to be used to sell product, whether its games, beer or lawn chairs.
As to whether it's an appropriate form of advertising, there's a rather large faction of the relgious right who would be more than willing to see this kind of advertising censored and then go on to tell us what else is appropriate for us to see, hear, eat and think. Fortunately these people aren't allowed to do that and gaming companies are allowed the freedom to use the kind of ads that they want and the kinds of ads that catch their customer's attention.
Is it silly? You're talking about an ad for a game where a virtual, pixelated cartoon character runs around a make-believe world. And people are PAYING for it. We're well past the line of silly at this point. And that's probably what helps to make it fun. Start censoring silly and things would probably be a lot less fun.