For those of us still with a perked ear waiting/hoping that Vanguard becomes more of a stable accepting game i applaud your exposure. This is exactly the type of predictiment that, from time to time, SOE has faultered on before towards loyal players.
That affiliate web site had every right to banish you, whomever operates it set the moderators therefore that was the risk you took. This Vanguardcrafters.com however just showed that perhaps they would rather look good, for SOE cooperation, than do good for Vanguard players. If that web site doesn't want Vanguard players to possibly know the truth then that will harm their own merit eventually anyways.
The quick fix from SOE's stand would be to state that this was investigated afterall & it was found out to be flawed & was or will be fixed ASAP along with a succinct apology from Silius to you for somewhat taking a jab at you & it's not professional as Silius is supposed to be. Even if it's with some missunderstanding statement that accompanied it. With transitional phases & the state Vanguard is in anyways many people/players would believe such a missunderstanding whether it be true or apocryphal.
Try not to let that one Vanguard affiliate site blocking your posts bother you. i also do not think you should completely give-up on Vanguard though either. If too many of your kind give-up on Vanguard for whatever reasons it will be doomed before it gets well enough to attract players like me back to Telon. i appreciate Vanguard players finding flaws with the game since it is a game i hope to return to oneday, so the important question is does SOE care? Of course all this hinges on whether or not this & other possible flaws are legitimate & been ignore or even lied about by SOE.
In life there are different kinds of people. There are the Shepherds and there are the Sheeps. There are those that take everything that is given to them as blind truth and there are those that sees through the facade. I prefer to be the Shepherd that sees through the facade than be the rest of the Sheep in the herd that blindly follows the blind.
Right so you're a prophet now? Suddenly the reason for your ban becomes clear.
In life there are different kinds of people. There are the Shepherds and there are the Sheeps. There are those that take everything that is given to them as blind truth and there are those that sees through the facade. I prefer to be the Shepherd that sees through the facade than be the rest of the Sheep in the herd that blindly follows the blind.
Right so you're a prophet now? Suddenly the reason for your ban becomes clear. Heh, who said I am a prophet?
If you don't understand what I am trying to say then just read it carefully and maybe you can figure it out
That right there. When things don't seem to go how you like, you start talking down. I understood your posts perfectly thank you, and your "I is teh Keanu Reeves come to show you teh wayz" post is a perfect example of you talking down. You're a kid that found a bug, well done, It doesn't make you some defender of truth. "Dev exposed" "Forum Nazis" "blah blah blah", we're talking about some guy on a forum here, not Nixon.
DO you have a valid point about the bugs? Yes. DID they ask you to post in the post specifically for complaining? Correct me if I'm wrong but yes. You then just carry it on by coming here and moaning about your ban. There are a number of reasons why things would be kept from players **One very good one pointed out below**, step away from this "quest for truth" chip on your shoulder.
Silius is inspired by it obviously and if he doesn't explain it well to you, you may want to experience it first hand.
I am pretty sure the game is working as intended...as "hardcore" as intended. You have to find where and how to get the recipies and he isn't going to tell you. Maybe you have to do it at midnight, just after killing an albinos werewolf who speak german to get it to drop...that I don't know; and obviously the devs did a good job at hiding it/a poor job at giving leads or clues to it.
An example that come to mind, in CoV some players want to kill the Flyer (a big balloon) for a badge (useless but collectors like it). The devs have state many time that in the game, everything work as intended, the fact that no player figure how to spawn it doesn't means it is broken. I am not into that type of stuff and honestly, if nobody finds it, nobody is "shafted". Now, for the peoples who like this type of challenge in the game...it is there. However, there is a critical design distinction...in CoV it has no consequences, you don't find it...too bad, but no nasty consequences, no gear, no stat, nothing you miss. In Vanguard, it appears you miss some developpment of you character by not finding these. The developpment of your character should be intuitive...and these precise mechanics are everything except intuitive.
Is Silius telling you the truth? I am pretty sure he is. He may lacks at explaining it, but I am sure it CAN be acquired in game. HOW you do that is beyond me however, and it is apparently not intuitive, despite been part of your character progression. Progression should always be intuitive. Unless you want to make a different game althogether, where nothing is intuitive anywhere and are happy with 5k players.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
That right there. When things don't seem to go how you like, you start talking down. I understood your posts perfectly thank you, and your "I is teh Keanu Reeves come to show you teh wayz" post is a perfect example of you talking down. You're a kid that found a bug, well done, It doesn't make you some defender of truth. "Dev exposed" "Forum Nazis" "blah blah blah", we're talking about some guy on a forum here, not Nixon. DO you have a valid point about the bugs? Yes. DID they ask you to post in the post specifically for complaining? Correct me if I'm wrong but yes. You then just carry it on by coming here and moaning about your ban.
Actually I am NOT the one that started talking down to ANYONE here.
I guess I have to state it in simplest forms then.
Some people will just take what is given to them as the whole hearted truth and not question it.
That is what I meant by my sheep comment but ... whatever.
And I am by far from being a "Kid" lol. Those that know me online and IRL knows that better.
I was just pointing something out more than anything in this thread. Is that wrong to do? or do I need to ask your and others permission before I do such acts?
PS:
The post of yours before you edited it was much more interesting
I asked one of the Moderators there why Kilm was banned. They told me he wasn't actually banned. He had made a post saying that he canceled his account shortly after Silius made the announcement that he would only be posting on official SOE forums from now on. It seems it is policy for vanguardcrafters.com to move people who have canceled their accounts into something called a retired user group. The Mod said the site had severe problems a couple months back with people who no longer played the game coming in and posting based on what they knew back then and causing confusion among new crafters/stirring up drama in a game they no longer played. So Kilm can still post there, but now a Mod has to approve the message for content to make sure faulty info is not entering the system because a user is posting on items that may have been changed months before with a patch. Don't know if everyone will still consider that a ban or not, but if someone has canceled an account for a game then why would you want to continue posting on a site for current subscribers of that game?
There are good reasons for keeping things hidden in MMOs (or ANY sort of program), you started talking down as soon as you started this "I'm the shepherd come to show you the way" rubbish. If you don't see that then there is very little point in me adding to my post count or yours so I'll stop posting as it's getting no body anywhere.
I asked one of the Moderators there why Kilm was banned. They told me he wasn't actually banned. He had made a post saying that he canceled his account shortly after Silius made the announcement that he would only be posting on official SOE forums from now on. It seems it is policy for vanguardcrafters.com to move people who have canceled their accounts into something called a retired user group. The Mod said the site had severe problems a couple months back with people who no longer played the game coming in and posting based on what they knew back then and causing confusion among new crafters/stirring up drama in a game they no longer played. So Kilm can still post there, but now a Mod has to approve the message for content to make sure faulty info is not entering the system because a user is posting on items that may have been changed months before with a patch. Don't know if everyone will still consider that a ban or not, but if someone has canceled an account for a game then why would you want to continue posting on a site for current subscribers of that game?
Hmm... very interesting additional information that Kilim didn't mention in his first post.
Kilim made it sound like he canceled his Vanguard account because he got banned from the vanguardcrafters.com site.
Now it would seem that not only wasn't he truly banned, but the actions they took were because he canceled his Vanguard account first.
I wonder whose story is closer to the truth? Heh, good thing Kilim's on the case...
I asked one of the Moderators there why Kilm was banned. They told me he wasn't actually banned. He had made a post saying that he canceled his account shortly after Silius made the announcement that he would only be posting on official SOE forums from now on. It seems it is policy for vanguardcrafters.com to move people who have canceled their accounts into something called a retired user group. The Mod said the site had severe problems a couple months back with people who no longer played the game coming in and posting based on what they knew back then and causing confusion among new crafters/stirring up drama in a game they no longer played. So Kilm can still post there, but now a Mod has to approve the message for content to make sure faulty info is not entering the system because a user is posting on items that may have been changed months before with a patch. Don't know if everyone will still consider that a ban or not, but if someone has canceled an account for a game then why would you want to continue posting on a site for current subscribers of that game?
I am not just placed in the "Retired" usergroup, I have been silenced, as in NOT even able to make a Post/Reply without anyone have the ability to Censor my post. I guess most will consider that a Ban.
They completely shut me off without a warning before I can even make this post. I send the Admin and the Lead Mod PM's asking why I was put there and got upset so I finally made this post because they refused to answer me. Genda, the Admin of VanguardCrafters.com FINALLY did answer my PM ONLY after I made this post and truely showed his/her true colors and teh reason for my silencing.
He/She actually blamed ME for pushing Silius away from their precious site!
Can you believe that? Kilim alone drove a Vanguard Dev away from an Affiliate Site!
Do I have to post the screenshot of what they PM me with to prove my point?
Yes, I did cancel my acount ONLY after this whole event transpired. And I still have a month left in my account until I can no longer login ...
The site is NOT for subscribers ONLY.
I was emotional when I did say I canceled my account and actually had a bunch of other players trying to convince me to not leave.
There are a few others that say they are canceling tehir account or have canceled their account and NOT given teh same treatment as I in that site!
But of course the events that transpired convinced me that it is in fact time to go.
I don't see a Rule in that site that one can no longer post when you stop playing.
What if I get bored again and decides to play Vanguard again? or some of my friends cools me off to let things go and play teh game again?
What actually did it for me was what Silius posted in his Guilt Trip goodbye post.
In which he singled out 2 people and I was one of them.
Prior to the incident, I had nothing but good things to say and post.
Until of course after I exposed him for the liar that he is.
Either way, I have already started giving a bunch of stuff to the Tharridon Community and have made my peace.
Originally posted by DownMonkey
There are good reasons for keeping things hidden in MMOs (or ANY sort of program), you started talking down as soon as you started this "I'm the shepherd come to show you the way" rubbish. If you don't see that then there is very little point in me adding to my post count or yours so I'll stop posting as it's getting no body anywhere.
Like I said before on the "Sheep" comment I had above, it is a saying as in how some people can be so blind and accept anything shown/said to them and just follow blindly.
It has NOTHING to say that I am a prophet or anything lol.
It just goes to show how some will blindly follow a carrot dangled to them.
If you take that as an offensive statement against you or seem to be talking down at you, then you probably are part of the herd. People like that needs to open up their eyes (I know I used to be one of those people).
If not, then don't be mad as it does not pertain to you.
Anyone here remember Dark & Light?
The Mods there in their Official forum also shut me down for showing Facts and exposing them for what they are!
Many of the "Fanbois" acted like "Sheep" and attacked my well documented post.
Now we all know the truth about that game and where are the "Sheep" in that game now?
Many of them finally realized after the same issues/events personally happens to them.
Some people are easy to attack others until the same incident/event happens to them. Then a different song is played by those exact same people!
Sad part, I got treated worst in VanguardCrafters.com than I did with Dark & Light!
Now think of that as a comparison.
I am NOT looking for an apology or a pat on the back.
I am merely just passing my thoughts and information.
I know some would find my post useful while others may view it as ignorant drivel.
Either way, I have made my point and those that matters and find my post useful is what matters to me.
PS:
I personally hope that Vanguard gets its issues together.
Too much pride is breaking it and losing people that actually loved the game.
I did enjoy it to the last minute and see alot of potential in it .... but potential can go only so far if its not implemented. (I know I said this about a few other games ...)
As for VanguardCrafters.com, I sure hope they chill out some.
It has a hub of great info in it.
But how certain things are being handled are just atrocious and needs to be calmed down.
I know many people that love the info in it but hate how things are moderated, me included.
maybe they will learn that having an iron fist is not always a good thing to have.
Why do the worst games have the best drama? hmmm....
...and ones that don't even exist, have the most buzz (SWG Pre CU)
"Hurray, finally a game where I can fulfill my lifelong dream of taking emotionally dead women and finding the most financially viable means to exploit their bodies with the ultimate goal of making them Hugh Hefner's personal furniture."
What actually did it for me was what Silius posted in his Guilt Trip goodbye post.
In which he singled out 2 people and I was one of them.
Prior to the incident, I had nothing but good things to say and post.
Until of course after I exposed him for the liar that he is. ...
That's the part that boggles my mind... you got upset over that??? Here is what he said:
" P.S. I wub all of you, yes even Finnster and Kilim."
Umm... that's about the weakest "slam" or "flame" I've ever seen. You're making it sound like he ripped you a new one or something. Heh, I guess some are just a lot more thin-skinned than I. I still just don't see why you are being such a drama-queen over what he said there.
Big deal, he mentioned your name... ooohhh noooooo!!!! The horror of it! How dare he! Geeshh! Give me a break!
Thought I would add this quote as well... since I'm sure Kilim wouldn't be adding it:
Post from Silius on vanguardcrafters.com ... AFTER the post that Kilim linked. You can look for yourself here:
"Ok I will clear up some of the speculation here before I leave.
1. SOE is not silencing me; please consider why you think SOE would silence a developer who is responding to his community. Regardless of how much you may dislike them they are not out to make you angry.
2. This has nothing to do with any hostility. Any of you who have been here or in beta I have put up with hostility much worse then puffy or Finnster can dish out. Generally the most aggressive posters have turned out to be the most passionate when it comes to Vanguards crafting system and the vision I put forth. I have had differences with plenty of people who have come and gone on this forum and at no point has it made me want to stop. I love to debate, have healthy discussions and I also like long walks on the park if anyone was interested . I understand that the anonymity of a message board allows us to be very irrational about our response when the consequences of our actions are at most having to create a new non banned account. I accept that heated responses come with the territory and I expect all of you to not be surprised when you get them back.
3. This is a decision I have mulled over several times as the boards are important to me because (despite what some people may think) I love this community and I read issues and check on issues as much as I can. I gladly spend large chunks of my day looking into things outside of my work schedule because people scream that they need to be looked into. If you don't believe I care I cannot prove to you otherwise and I am not obligated to do so. I am still looking into the lvl 50 crafting gear issue (if I did not think it was a bug I would not be spending anytime on it Finn, Kilim, puffy, and anyone else who thinks I am dismissing it) I am also looking into various other issues that are reported as bugs here. I have a significant amount of work that needs to be done and I am sure you would all rather have me focusing on getting work done and bugs resolved.
Either way like I said there are several work related and personal reasons why this is happening and as I said a few months ago Jansan will more then likely be taking over as crafting lead at some point. But please do not expect him to have the level of communication I have had.
Silius
P.S. Thanks everyone for your help getting things reported."
What actually did it for me was what Silius posted in his Guilt Trip goodbye post.
In which he singled out 2 people and I was one of them.
Prior to the incident, I had nothing but good things to say and post.
Until of course after I exposed him for the liar that he is. ...
That's the part that boggles my mind... you got upset over that??? Here is what he said:
" P.S. I wub all of you, yes even Finnster and Kilim."
Umm... that's about the weakest "slam" or "flame" I've ever seen. You're making it sound like he ripped you a new one or something. Heh, I guess some are just a lot more thin-skinned than I. I still just don't see why you are being such a drama-queen over what he said there.
Big deal, he mentioned your name... ooohhh noooooo!!!! The horror of it! How dare he! Geeshh! Give me a break!
Thought I would add this quote as well... since I'm sure Kilim wouldn't be adding it:
Post from Silius on vanguardcrafters.com ... AFTER the post that Kilim linked. You can look for yourself here:
"Ok I will clear up some of the speculation here before I leave.
1. SOE is not silencing me; please consider why you think SOE would silence a developer who is responding to his community. Regardless of how much you may dislike them they are not out to make you angry.
2. This has nothing to do with any hostility. Any of you who have been here or in beta I have put up with hostility much worse then puffy or Finnster can dish out. Generally the most aggressive posters have turned out to be the most passionate when it comes to Vanguards crafting system and the vision I put forth. I have had differences with plenty of people who have come and gone on this forum and at no point has it made me want to stop. I love to debate, have healthy discussions and I also like long walks on the park if anyone was interested . I understand that the anonymity of a message board allows us to be very irrational about our response when the consequences of our actions are at most having to create a new non banned account. I accept that heated responses come with the territory and I expect all of you to not be surprised when you get them back.
3. This is a decision I have mulled over several times as the boards are important to me because (despite what some people may think) I love this community and I read issues and check on issues as much as I can. I gladly spend large chunks of my day looking into things outside of my work schedule because people scream that they need to be looked into. If you don't believe I care I cannot prove to you otherwise and I am not obligated to do so. I am still looking into the lvl 50 crafting gear issue (if I did not think it was a bug I would not be spending anytime on it Finn, Kilim, puffy, and anyone else who thinks I am dismissing it) I am also looking into various other issues that are reported as bugs here. I have a significant amount of work that needs to be done and I am sure you would all rather have me focusing on getting work done and bugs resolved.
Either way like I said there are several work related and personal reasons why this is happening and as I said a few months ago Jansan will more then likely be taking over as crafting lead at some point. But please do not expect him to have the level of communication I have had.
Silius
P.S. Thanks everyone for your help getting things reported."
So... what was that you were saying again Kilim?
What am I hiding?
That thread is linked in my original post so why "wouldn't I be adding it?" when I made sure to link it in my OP?
I think I made it easy enough so others can find and read the threads themselves, hence I am not hiding anything.
Why you think I named the thread the way I did it.
Dev Exposed = Silius caught in a lie
Forum Nazis = VanguardCrafters.com Mod/Admin censoring me.
Player Gone = Kilim quit Vanguard.
I think I pretty much posted the reasons about each part?
If you reread the threads again, You can see that I was able to prove to Silius and everyone that what he is feeding us are all BS.
There are other players in there that has also posted and shown the other BS they have feeded the player community including this one.
Up until before he made his guilt trip gbye post, ALL I was ever doing was posting feedback so we can figure out what is the problem and that I have NOT made ANY hostile post prior to that as can be seen on my post history!.
I only started getting hostile AFTER he made that gbye post.
It doesn't take to be a psychologist why he even mentioned my name.
Why he took my posting as hostile instead of an honest player feedback, I don't know, I was surprised as well why he took it that way.
All I did was check EVERYTHING he told us and posted my feedback on it showing that the info that he has given us are flawed.
If you would buy into his BS even more on his "Final Reply" then ... you may as well buy the other BS he was feeding everyone.
I guess it may just be mere coincidence that he decides to stop posting on affiliate sites the next business day AFTER he was exposed ...
All they had to do was say something like: Sorry we made a mistake but they NEVER do that and their track record has proven that.
They just treat their playerbase as if we are idiots.
I am not even really upset about him stating my name in his final gbye post, I just find it low and unprofessional, and reminds me of how the DnL people handled things.
What did it for me is how he reacted AFTER he has been exposed.
As for the other parts of my OP, that has been self explained with my other replies in this thread.
Man, I am just repeating everything that I have posted already, I am done.
I guess it may just be mere coincidence that he decides to stop posting on affiliate sites the next business day AFTER he was exposed ...
What did you expose really. I think he posted this before he decided to stop posting.
if you can't find one of these work orders then let me know as that may lead to an undrlying issue that I can't see since everythign is conencted correctly from my end.
I guess it may just be mere coincidence that he decides to stop posting on affiliate sites the next business day AFTER he was exposed ...
What did you expose really. I think he posted this before he decided to stop posting.
if you can't find one of these work orders then let me know as that may lead to an undrlying issue that I can't see since everythign is conencted correctly from my end.
1st we are told we have to craft at certain outposts.
Then we are told there are specific recipes that are "suppose" to drop them.
Then we are told the ONLY way to find out if the 50lv Upgradeable Boots/Shirts drop is broken and undependable (VGPlayers.com).
Then we are told the ONLY people that can tell us can't and won't tell us the official answer!
Then we have exposed that ALL Outposts have the recipes that are listed.
Then the person that gave us such info suddenly decided to no longer post on the next business day while taking a jab at me!
That same person ALSO stated to us that the code in the Internal, Test and Live servers are the SAME and NO reason it shouldn't drop!
Repeating myself again.
EVERY and ALL Outpost has the recipes listed that is "Suppose" to drop those Upgradeable 50lv Crafter Shirt/Boots yet NO ONE has EVER received them and YET THEY are trying to tell us that the TEST/LIVE/Internal Servers has the same code pertaining to this!
They keep insinuating that somehow it is the Players Fault and NOT the Coding.
(1st We are NOT crafting at the right spot, then the right recipes, then we find out ALL Outposts have the recipes required to get said items yet they don't drop.)
This is just 1 example of a few things that the Player Base has been yelling and screaming to the Devs about yet they are ignored and chastised.
Each and EVERY time the Player Community are just given run around answers and BS that would pacify the sheeps.
Do I have to repeat everything I said already again?
I guess it may just be mere coincidence that he decides to stop posting on affiliate sites the next business day AFTER he was exposed ...
What did you expose really. I think he posted this before he decided to stop posting.
if you can't find one of these work orders then let me know as that may lead to an undrlying issue that I can't see since everythign is conencted correctly from my end.
Do I have to repeat everything I said already again?
Nope it's enough if you could reply to the quote I copied from earlier in this thread.
"if you can't find one of these work orders then let me know as that may lead to an undrlying issue that I can't see since everythign is conencted correctly from my end."
I guess it may just be mere coincidence that he decides to stop posting on affiliate sites the next business day AFTER he was exposed ...
What did you expose really. I think he posted this before he decided to stop posting.
if you can't find one of these work orders then let me know as that may lead to an undrlying issue that I can't see since everythign is conencted correctly from my end.
1st we are told we have to craft at certain outposts.
Wich is true. He's telling you one part of how to trigger the drop.
Then we are told there are specific recipes that are "suppose" to drop them.
Wich is also true. He's telling you another part of what triggers the drop.
Then we are told the ONLY way to find out if the 50lv Upgradeable Boots/Shirts drop is broken and undependable (VGPlayers.com).
Actually no it's not your only source. You could also go to each outpost and craft every possible item many times untill you can say that it has a 0% chance of it dropping. Did he tell you exactly wich item you had to craft and at exactly wich outpost you must craft it? I don't recall him saying so. Not to mention he's telling you the truth again. EVERYONE familliar with VGPlayer should know by now that it's not anything close to accurate. It's been that way since it begun. So once again he toldy the truth.
Then we are told the ONLY people that can tell us can't and won't tell us the official answer!
He gave you an official answer. You just don't like the answer he gave. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it unofficial, or BS. Nor can he say that it is defenitely a bug because he's already told you that everything is working on thier end, and thier end is the same as every other end available. He even admitted that he wasn't counting out the possibility of a bug, but since he doesn't know if it is or not, he can't tell you it is. Testing isn't a democracy; it's not a bug until proven otherwise. It's working as intended until proven it's a bug. There are people that are paid specifically to do this sort of thing, a friend of mine does this for a living in fact, boring as hell, but some like it. Once again there was no lieing or BS going on here.
Then we have exposed that ALL Outposts have the recipes that are listed.
He never said that they wouldn't be available. In fact he said if they weren't available to let him know. Obviously after all of the work you did they are available. All that you proved was that it wasn't an issue of a recipe not being at the outpost it's supposed to be at. Good job, you verified that everything is working as intended at that stage. Once again you were given truth.
Then the person that gave us such info suddenly decided to no longer post on the next business day while taking a jab at me!
He never took a jab at you or anyone else. And you were also being one of the most vocal over the entire issue. You're actions were the same as you're displaying here. Hostile and unexcepting of the responces you're given. Because they don't conform to what you believe you call them lies. A very childish attitude to take towards someone that is going out of thier (above and beyond what is required of thier job) to communicate with you. He NEVER had to post on that site, most devs rarely if ever post on the official forums for thier games, let alone an affiliated one.
That same person ALSO stated to us that the code in the Internal, Test and Live servers are the SAME and NO reason it shouldn't drop!
No crap! How is this a lie? If the code is the same and he was able to get the desired results on his end, why would it be any dif. on any other end? It shouldn't, and that's what he told you. How is this lying. He gave you factual information and still you REFUSED to except it, and questioned the integrety of the developer. Once again very childish attitude to take towards someone.
Also, how would you know the code isn't the same? You don't, and telling people that it isn't when you can't prove it or even come close to verifying your statement in the least, in itself is a lie.
Repeating myself again. Why? Do you know that your actions actually fall under the definition of an insane person. You keep doing the same thing and getting the same result, but expect them to be dif. each time. YOU'RE OVERREACTING.
EVERY and ALL Outpost has the recipes listed that is "Suppose" I don't recall him saying that it's SUPPOSED to drop at EVERY one of those outposts. Just that it could. Did you EVER consider that since the drop requires the crafting at a specific outpost, and of a specific item (and who knows what other requirements are needed, does it have to be day, nigh, raining, not raining, raining during the day or raining at nigh, or even at 2 pm while it's raining. Who knows what.) that the developers aren't going to tell you EXACTLY how to do it. It would defeat the purpose. I didn't play SWG when it first game out, but from what I understand in order to unlock the jedi you had to do specific quests, and no one knew; nor would the devs tell anyone, what quests you had to do to unlock it. to drop those Upgradeable 50lv Crafter Shirt/Boots yet NO ONE has EVER received them Contrary to what you might think, there aren't that many people crafting at 50. The servers are incredibly low pop, and only a handfull of people on each is crafting at 50. If the drop has specific prerequesites then it is VERY VERY likely that not a single person has stumbled upon the correct process. You would have to craft every single recipe at lvl 50 at every single outpost, under every single condition before you could say that it wont drop. and YET THEY are trying to tell us that the TEST/LIVE/Internal Servers has the same code pertaining to this!
They keep insinuating that somehow it is the Players Fault and NOT the Coding. If it's a case of the players haven't met the prerequesites of the drop then how are they going to know if it's the code when it's working on thier end and the code on thier end is the exact same code on your end. They don't use a dif. code then you are; how would they test anything if they did?
(1st We are NOT crafting at the right spot, then the right recipes, then we find out ALL Outposts have the recipes required to get said items yet they don't drop.) How about a specific outpost, crafting a specific recipe under the specific condition is required in order for the drop to happen.
This is just 1 example of a few things that the Player Base has been yelling and screaming to the Devs about yet they are ignored and chastised. On this issue there was very open and honest comunication going on. You're the one that refused to understand what you're bing told.
Each and EVERY time the Player Community are just given run around answers and BS that would pacify the sheeps. He didn't bs you. Everything he told you was the truth. If he was lying to you he would have said that the item did indeed drop on live. Instead he told you that he couldn't tell you. He most likely couldn't tell you because VGPlayer isn't working correctly and in order to find out if it did drop someone would have to parse all of the data on every server (something like that). That takes time and manpower, and I would think a level of interaction with the servers that he isn't allowed. If he has a job to do, and that job doesn't entale gowing through every bit of data on every single server, then how exactly would he be able to tell you if either item had dropped or not? It's not as easy as you think to track every item drop in a game, especially when the software that's written to do exactly that isn't working correctly. Not even Blizzard put thier database up over night. It took time for someone to write that code, and then test it, and then manetain it. It's not an overnight process.
Do I have to repeat everything I said already again? Please don't on my account. You seem to have made it quite clear who the nazi is that's spreading lies and BS.
Dude, you're showing a responce from the dev that cleary shows he ISN'T feeding you BS.
if you can't find one of these work orders then let me know as that may lead to an undrlying issue that I can't see since everythign is conencted correctly from my end
He coudln't get more honest, and he gave you all the information he had, and could give.
He can't tell you EXACTLY how to get the item, that would be cheating, as some would consider it a dev. providing a player or group of players information that gives them an unfair advantage. And I'm sure we all familliar with how that goes. CCP anyone?
I see you didn't make any comment about the responce of one of the mods that indicated that you weren't banned from the site, but put into the retired catagory because of your very own actions. You tried to imply that you were banned for nothing, when in fact it was your own actions.
I have be honest. The more you post on this topic, and the more I see come out of it, the more and MORE it turns out that YOU are the one being exposed, and acting like a nazi. YOU are the one that keeps lying, and trying to feed people BS here. Not the dev. or VGcrafters. YOU.
A nazi would demand conformity to thier view, and considers anyone that doesn't take the things they say as truth as sheep. I mean you keep saying it yourself, and in almost every post: BS that would pacify the sheeps. You continually insist that anyone that doesn't take yourside is a sheep. What makes you think you're a better shepard then the dev.?
Another thing. Not having this gear, is it affecting your ability to craft? From what I've read, everyone seems to be in agreement that they can still craft lvl 50 recipes to A grade with ease, not having those two items. Why are you so concerned about getting them if the don't even provide you with any benefit outside of what you already have? You'll still be crafting the same exact recipes at the same quality level; you don't even need those items right now.
Originally posted by Kilim : "I am not even really upset about him stating my name in his final gbye post..."
Originally posted by Kilim : " What actually did it for me was what Silius posted in his Guilt Trip goodbye post.
In which he singled out 2 people and I was one of them.
Heh... not sure if I know which one you are going with today. Is it #1 or #2. I'm getting confused again. I think we should re-list again all the things that you PROVED to the Dev. where he was lying again.
Heh, or we could just make it simpler and AGAIN state...
Yeah, we know what happened...
We still think you over-reacted. We still think you are over-reacting. In fact, there is a good chance you will over-react again!
Interesting Kilim. Hope you find a decent game some day that fits you. Oh and don't let the ass kissers here get to you. I won't comment on whetrer the game is broken or not since I have not played it since beta. Just never figured they could polish a turd into a diamond.
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When is the truth not viable?
For those of us still with a perked ear waiting/hoping that Vanguard becomes more of a stable accepting game i applaud your exposure. This is exactly the type of predictiment that, from time to time, SOE has faultered on before towards loyal players.
That affiliate web site had every right to banish you, whomever operates it set the moderators therefore that was the risk you took. This Vanguardcrafters.com however just showed that perhaps they would rather look good, for SOE cooperation, than do good for Vanguard players. If that web site doesn't want Vanguard players to possibly know the truth then that will harm their own merit eventually anyways.
The quick fix from SOE's stand would be to state that this was investigated afterall & it was found out to be flawed & was or will be fixed ASAP along with a succinct apology from Silius to you for somewhat taking a jab at you & it's not professional as Silius is supposed to be. Even if it's with some missunderstanding statement that accompanied it. With transitional phases & the state Vanguard is in anyways many people/players would believe such a missunderstanding whether it be true or apocryphal.
Try not to let that one Vanguard affiliate site blocking your posts bother you. i also do not think you should completely give-up on Vanguard though either. If too many of your kind give-up on Vanguard for whatever reasons it will be doomed before it gets well enough to attract players like me back to Telon. i appreciate Vanguard players finding flaws with the game since it is a game i hope to return to oneday, so the important question is does SOE care? Of course all this hinges on whether or not this & other possible flaws are legitimate & been ignore or even lied about by SOE.
In life there are different kinds of people.
There are the Shepherds and there are the Sheeps.
There are those that take everything that is given to them as blind truth and there are those that sees through the facade.
I prefer to be the Shepherd that sees through the facade than be the rest of the Sheep in the herd that blindly follows the blind.
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Right so you're a prophet now? Suddenly the reason for your ban becomes clear.
If you don't understand what I am trying to say then just read it carefully and maybe you can figure it out
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That right there. When things don't seem to go how you like, you start talking down. I understood your posts perfectly thank you, and your "I is teh Keanu Reeves come to show you teh wayz" post is a perfect example of you talking down. You're a kid that found a bug, well done, It doesn't make you some defender of truth. "Dev exposed" "Forum Nazis" "blah blah blah", we're talking about some guy on a forum here, not Nixon.
DO you have a valid point about the bugs? Yes. DID they ask you to post in the post specifically for complaining? Correct me if I'm wrong but yes. You then just carry it on by coming here and moaning about your ban. There are a number of reasons why things would be kept from players **One very good one pointed out below**, step away from this "quest for truth" chip on your shoulder.
Kilim, have you ever played SoR?
Silius is inspired by it obviously and if he doesn't explain it well to you, you may want to experience it first hand.
I am pretty sure the game is working as intended...as "hardcore" as intended. You have to find where and how to get the recipies and he isn't going to tell you. Maybe you have to do it at midnight, just after killing an albinos werewolf who speak german to get it to drop...that I don't know; and obviously the devs did a good job at hiding it/a poor job at giving leads or clues to it.
An example that come to mind, in CoV some players want to kill the Flyer (a big balloon) for a badge (useless but collectors like it). The devs have state many time that in the game, everything work as intended, the fact that no player figure how to spawn it doesn't means it is broken. I am not into that type of stuff and honestly, if nobody finds it, nobody is "shafted". Now, for the peoples who like this type of challenge in the game...it is there. However, there is a critical design distinction...in CoV it has no consequences, you don't find it...too bad, but no nasty consequences, no gear, no stat, nothing you miss. In Vanguard, it appears you miss some developpment of you character by not finding these. The developpment of your character should be intuitive...and these precise mechanics are everything except intuitive.
Is Silius telling you the truth? I am pretty sure he is. He may lacks at explaining it, but I am sure it CAN be acquired in game. HOW you do that is beyond me however, and it is apparently not intuitive, despite been part of your character progression. Progression should always be intuitive. Unless you want to make a different game althogether, where nothing is intuitive anywhere and are happy with 5k players.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Actually I am NOT the one that started talking down to ANYONE here.
I guess I have to state it in simplest forms then.
Some people will just take what is given to them as the whole hearted truth and not question it.
That is what I meant by my sheep comment but ... whatever.
And I am by far from being a "Kid" lol. Those that know me online and IRL knows that better.
I was just pointing something out more than anything in this thread. Is that wrong to do? or do I need to ask your and others permission before I do such acts?
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The post of yours before you edited it was much more interesting
@ Anofalye
I did try SoR ages ago.
I have Beta tested and tried various MMOs since I discovered them. Was fun for a bit but didn't take me in when it came out.
And I get what ya saying ... I think. (and if we reading it right, I like how you think)
I guess its just me that has been wrong ALL along
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I asked one of the Moderators there why Kilm was banned. They told me he wasn't actually banned. He had made a post saying that he canceled his account shortly after Silius made the announcement that he would only be posting on official SOE forums from now on. It seems it is policy for vanguardcrafters.com to move people who have canceled their accounts into something called a retired user group. The Mod said the site had severe problems a couple months back with people who no longer played the game coming in and posting based on what they knew back then and causing confusion among new crafters/stirring up drama in a game they no longer played. So Kilm can still post there, but now a Mod has to approve the message for content to make sure faulty info is not entering the system because a user is posting on items that may have been changed months before with a patch. Don't know if everyone will still consider that a ban or not, but if someone has canceled an account for a game then why would you want to continue posting on a site for current subscribers of that game?
Kilim made it sound like he canceled his Vanguard account because he got banned from the vanguardcrafters.com site.
Now it would seem that not only wasn't he truly banned, but the actions they took were because he canceled his Vanguard account first.
I wonder whose story is closer to the truth? Heh, good thing Kilim's on the case...
I am not just placed in the "Retired" usergroup, I have been silenced, as in NOT even able to make a Post/Reply without anyone have the ability to Censor my post. I guess most will consider that a Ban.
They completely shut me off without a warning before I can even make this post. I send the Admin and the Lead Mod PM's asking why I was put there and got upset so I finally made this post because they refused to answer me. Genda, the Admin of VanguardCrafters.com FINALLY did answer my PM ONLY after I made this post and truely showed his/her true colors and teh reason for my silencing.
He/She actually blamed ME for pushing Silius away from their precious site!
Can you believe that? Kilim alone drove a Vanguard Dev away from an Affiliate Site!
Do I have to post the screenshot of what they PM me with to prove my point?
Yes, I did cancel my acount ONLY after this whole event transpired. And I still have a month left in my account until I can no longer login ...
The site is NOT for subscribers ONLY.
I was emotional when I did say I canceled my account and actually had a bunch of other players trying to convince me to not leave.
There are a few others that say they are canceling tehir account or have canceled their account and NOT given teh same treatment as I in that site!
But of course the events that transpired convinced me that it is in fact time to go.
I don't see a Rule in that site that one can no longer post when you stop playing.
What if I get bored again and decides to play Vanguard again? or some of my friends cools me off to let things go and play teh game again?
What actually did it for me was what Silius posted in his Guilt Trip goodbye post.
In which he singled out 2 people and I was one of them.
Prior to the incident, I had nothing but good things to say and post.
Until of course after I exposed him for the liar that he is.
Either way, I have already started giving a bunch of stuff to the Tharridon Community and have made my peace.
Like I said before on the "Sheep" comment I had above, it is a saying as in how some people can be so blind and accept anything shown/said to them and just follow blindly.
It has NOTHING to say that I am a prophet or anything lol.
It just goes to show how some will blindly follow a carrot dangled to them.
If you take that as an offensive statement against you or seem to be talking down at you, then you probably are part of the herd. People like that needs to open up their eyes (I know I used to be one of those people).
If not, then don't be mad as it does not pertain to you.
Anyone here remember Dark & Light?
The Mods there in their Official forum also shut me down for showing Facts and exposing them for what they are!
Many of the "Fanbois" acted like "Sheep" and attacked my well documented post.
Now we all know the truth about that game and where are the "Sheep" in that game now?
Many of them finally realized after the same issues/events personally happens to them.
Some people are easy to attack others until the same incident/event happens to them. Then a different song is played by those exact same people!
Sad part, I got treated worst in VanguardCrafters.com than I did with Dark & Light!
Now think of that as a comparison.
I am NOT looking for an apology or a pat on the back.
I am merely just passing my thoughts and information.
I know some would find my post useful while others may view it as ignorant drivel.
Either way, I have made my point and those that matters and find my post useful is what matters to me.
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I personally hope that Vanguard gets its issues together.
Too much pride is breaking it and losing people that actually loved the game.
I did enjoy it to the last minute and see alot of potential in it .... but potential can go only so far if its not implemented. (I know I said this about a few other games ...)
As for VanguardCrafters.com, I sure hope they chill out some.
It has a hub of great info in it.
But how certain things are being handled are just atrocious and needs to be calmed down.
I know many people that love the info in it but hate how things are moderated, me included.
maybe they will learn that having an iron fist is not always a good thing to have.
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I would hate to see what war looks like.
And some of the players appear to talk in 3rd person.
The Old Timers Guild
Laid back, not so serious, no drama.
All about the fun!
www.oldtimersguild.com
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. - Jef Mallett
...and ones that don't even exist, have the most buzz (SWG Pre CU)
"Hurray, finally a game where I can fulfill my lifelong dream of taking emotionally dead women and finding the most financially viable means to exploit their bodies with the ultimate goal of making them Hugh Hefner's personal furniture."
That's the part that boggles my mind... you got upset over that??? Here is what he said:
" P.S. I wub all of you, yes even Finnster and Kilim."
Umm... that's about the weakest "slam" or "flame" I've ever seen. You're making it sound like he ripped you a new one or something. Heh, I guess some are just a lot more thin-skinned than I. I still just don't see why you are being such a drama-queen over what he said there.
Big deal, he mentioned your name... ooohhh noooooo!!!! The horror of it! How dare he! Geeshh! Give me a break!
Thought I would add this quote as well... since I'm sure Kilim wouldn't be adding it:
Post from Silius on vanguardcrafters.com ... AFTER the post that Kilim linked. You can look for yourself here:
www.vanguardcrafters.com/forum/showthread.php
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"Ok I will clear up some of the speculation here before I leave.
. I understand that the anonymity of a message board allows us to be very irrational about our response when the consequences of our actions are at most having to create a new non banned account. I accept that heated responses come with the territory and I expect all of you to not be surprised when you get them back.
1. SOE is not silencing me; please consider why you think SOE would silence a developer who is responding to his community. Regardless of how much you may dislike them they are not out to make you angry.
2. This has nothing to do with any hostility. Any of you who have been here or in beta I have put up with hostility much worse then puffy or Finnster can dish out. Generally the most aggressive posters have turned out to be the most passionate when it comes to Vanguards crafting system and the vision I put forth. I have had differences with plenty of people who have come and gone on this forum and at no point has it made me want to stop. I love to debate, have healthy discussions and I also like long walks on the park if anyone was interested
3. This is a decision I have mulled over several times as the boards are important to me because (despite what some people may think) I love this community and I read issues and check on issues as much as I can. I gladly spend large chunks of my day looking into things outside of my work schedule because people scream that they need to be looked into. If you don't believe I care I cannot prove to you otherwise and I am not obligated to do so. I am still looking into the lvl 50 crafting gear issue (if I did not think it was a bug I would not be spending anytime on it Finn, Kilim, puffy, and anyone else who thinks I am dismissing it) I am also looking into various other issues that are reported as bugs here. I have a significant amount of work that needs to be done and I am sure you would all rather have me focusing on getting work done and bugs resolved.
Either way like I said there are several work related and personal reasons why this is happening and as I said a few months ago Jansan will more then likely be taking over as crafting lead at some point. But please do not expect him to have the level of communication I have had.
Silius
P.S. Thanks everyone for your help getting things reported."
So... what was that you were saying again Kilim?
That's the part that boggles my mind... you got upset over that??? Here is what he said:
" P.S. I wub all of you, yes even Finnster and Kilim."
Umm... that's about the weakest "slam" or "flame" I've ever seen. You're making it sound like he ripped you a new one or something. Heh, I guess some are just a lot more thin-skinned than I. I still just don't see why you are being such a drama-queen over what he said there.
Big deal, he mentioned your name... ooohhh noooooo!!!! The horror of it! How dare he! Geeshh! Give me a break!
Thought I would add this quote as well... since I'm sure Kilim wouldn't be adding it:
Post from Silius on vanguardcrafters.com ... AFTER the post that Kilim linked. You can look for yourself here:
www.vanguardcrafters.com/forum/showthread.php
"Ok I will clear up some of the speculation here before I leave.
. I understand that the anonymity of a message board allows us to be very irrational about our response when the consequences of our actions are at most having to create a new non banned account. I accept that heated responses come with the territory and I expect all of you to not be surprised when you get them back.
1. SOE is not silencing me; please consider why you think SOE would silence a developer who is responding to his community. Regardless of how much you may dislike them they are not out to make you angry.
2. This has nothing to do with any hostility. Any of you who have been here or in beta I have put up with hostility much worse then puffy or Finnster can dish out. Generally the most aggressive posters have turned out to be the most passionate when it comes to Vanguards crafting system and the vision I put forth. I have had differences with plenty of people who have come and gone on this forum and at no point has it made me want to stop. I love to debate, have healthy discussions and I also like long walks on the park if anyone was interested
3. This is a decision I have mulled over several times as the boards are important to me because (despite what some people may think) I love this community and I read issues and check on issues as much as I can. I gladly spend large chunks of my day looking into things outside of my work schedule because people scream that they need to be looked into. If you don't believe I care I cannot prove to you otherwise and I am not obligated to do so. I am still looking into the lvl 50 crafting gear issue (if I did not think it was a bug I would not be spending anytime on it Finn, Kilim, puffy, and anyone else who thinks I am dismissing it) I am also looking into various other issues that are reported as bugs here. I have a significant amount of work that needs to be done and I am sure you would all rather have me focusing on getting work done and bugs resolved.
Either way like I said there are several work related and personal reasons why this is happening and as I said a few months ago Jansan will more then likely be taking over as crafting lead at some point. But please do not expect him to have the level of communication I have had.
Silius
P.S. Thanks everyone for your help getting things reported."
So... what was that you were saying again Kilim?
What am I hiding?
That thread is linked in my original post so why "wouldn't I be adding it?" when I made sure to link it in my OP?
I think I made it easy enough so others can find and read the threads themselves, hence I am not hiding anything.
Why you think I named the thread the way I did it.
I think I pretty much posted the reasons about each part?
If you reread the threads again, You can see that I was able to prove to Silius and everyone that what he is feeding us are all BS.
There are other players in there that has also posted and shown the other BS they have feeded the player community including this one.
Up until before he made his guilt trip gbye post, ALL I was ever doing was posting feedback so we can figure out what is the problem and that I have NOT made ANY hostile post prior to that as can be seen on my post history!.
I only started getting hostile AFTER he made that gbye post.
It doesn't take to be a psychologist why he even mentioned my name.
Why he took my posting as hostile instead of an honest player feedback, I don't know, I was surprised as well why he took it that way.
All I did was check EVERYTHING he told us and posted my feedback on it showing that the info that he has given us are flawed.
If you would buy into his BS even more on his "Final Reply" then ... you may as well buy the other BS he was feeding everyone.
I guess it may just be mere coincidence that he decides to stop posting on affiliate sites the next business day AFTER he was exposed ...
All they had to do was say something like: Sorry we made a mistake but they NEVER do that and their track record has proven that.
They just treat their playerbase as if we are idiots.
I am not even really upset about him stating my name in his final gbye post, I just find it low and unprofessional, and reminds me of how the DnL people handled things.
What did it for me is how he reacted AFTER he has been exposed.
As for the other parts of my OP, that has been self explained with my other replies in this thread.
Man, I am just repeating everything that I have posted already, I am done.
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What did you expose really. I think he posted this before he decided to stop posting.
if you can't find one of these work orders then let me know as that may lead to an undrlying issue that I can't see since everythign is conencted correctly from my end.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
What did you expose really. I think he posted this before he decided to stop posting.
I already pointed this part of what you quoted here: http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/1523151if you can't find one of these work orders then let me know as that may lead to an undrlying issue that I can't see since everythign is conencted correctly from my end.
I will repeat what I have said before I guess:
Repeating myself again.
EVERY and ALL Outpost has the recipes listed that is "Suppose" to drop those Upgradeable 50lv Crafter Shirt/Boots yet NO ONE has EVER received them and YET THEY are trying to tell us that the TEST/LIVE/Internal Servers has the same code pertaining to this!
They keep insinuating that somehow it is the Players Fault and NOT the Coding.
(1st We are NOT crafting at the right spot, then the right recipes, then we find out ALL Outposts have the recipes required to get said items yet they don't drop.)
This is just 1 example of a few things that the Player Base has been yelling and screaming to the Devs about yet they are ignored and chastised.
Each and EVERY time the Player Community are just given run around answers and BS that would pacify the sheeps.
Do I have to repeat everything I said already again?
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What did you expose really. I think he posted this before he decided to stop posting.
if you can't find one of these work orders then let me know as that may lead to an undrlying issue that I can't see since everythign is conencted correctly from my end.
Do I have to repeat everything I said already again?
Nope it's enough if you could reply to the quote I copied from earlier in this thread.
"if you can't find one of these work orders then let me know as that may lead to an undrlying issue that I can't see since everythign is conencted correctly from my end."
What did he mean with this?
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
"This is just 1 example of a few things that the Player Base has been yelling and screaming to the Devs about yet they are ignored and chastised."
Could be the problem right there...
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
What did you expose really. I think he posted this before he decided to stop posting.
I already pointed this part of what you quoted here: http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/1523151if you can't find one of these work orders then let me know as that may lead to an undrlying issue that I can't see since everythign is conencted correctly from my end.
I will repeat what I have said before I guess:
Repeating myself again. Why? Do you know that your actions actually fall under the definition of an insane person. You keep doing the same thing and getting the same result, but expect them to be dif. each time. YOU'RE OVERREACTING.
EVERY and ALL Outpost has the recipes listed that is "Suppose" I don't recall him saying that it's SUPPOSED to drop at EVERY one of those outposts. Just that it could. Did you EVER consider that since the drop requires the crafting at a specific outpost, and of a specific item (and who knows what other requirements are needed, does it have to be day, nigh, raining, not raining, raining during the day or raining at nigh, or even at 2 pm while it's raining. Who knows what.) that the developers aren't going to tell you EXACTLY how to do it. It would defeat the purpose. I didn't play SWG when it first game out, but from what I understand in order to unlock the jedi you had to do specific quests, and no one knew; nor would the devs tell anyone, what quests you had to do to unlock it. to drop those Upgradeable 50lv Crafter Shirt/Boots yet NO ONE has EVER received them Contrary to what you might think, there aren't that many people crafting at 50. The servers are incredibly low pop, and only a handfull of people on each is crafting at 50. If the drop has specific prerequesites then it is VERY VERY likely that not a single person has stumbled upon the correct process. You would have to craft every single recipe at lvl 50 at every single outpost, under every single condition before you could say that it wont drop. and YET THEY are trying to tell us that the TEST/LIVE/Internal Servers has the same code pertaining to this!
They keep insinuating that somehow it is the Players Fault and NOT the Coding. If it's a case of the players haven't met the prerequesites of the drop then how are they going to know if it's the code when it's working on thier end and the code on thier end is the exact same code on your end. They don't use a dif. code then you are; how would they test anything if they did?
(1st We are NOT crafting at the right spot, then the right recipes, then we find out ALL Outposts have the recipes required to get said items yet they don't drop.) How about a specific outpost, crafting a specific recipe under the specific condition is required in order for the drop to happen.
This is just 1 example of a few things that the Player Base has been yelling and screaming to the Devs about yet they are ignored and chastised. On this issue there was very open and honest comunication going on. You're the one that refused to understand what you're bing told.
Each and EVERY time the Player Community are just given run around answers and BS that would pacify the sheeps. He didn't bs you. Everything he told you was the truth. If he was lying to you he would have said that the item did indeed drop on live. Instead he told you that he couldn't tell you. He most likely couldn't tell you because VGPlayer isn't working correctly and in order to find out if it did drop someone would have to parse all of the data on every server (something like that). That takes time and manpower, and I would think a level of interaction with the servers that he isn't allowed. If he has a job to do, and that job doesn't entale gowing through every bit of data on every single server, then how exactly would he be able to tell you if either item had dropped or not? It's not as easy as you think to track every item drop in a game, especially when the software that's written to do exactly that isn't working correctly. Not even Blizzard put thier database up over night. It took time for someone to write that code, and then test it, and then manetain it. It's not an overnight process.
Do I have to repeat everything I said already again? Please don't on my account. You seem to have made it quite clear who the nazi is that's spreading lies and BS.
Dude, you're showing a responce from the dev that cleary shows he ISN'T feeding you BS.
if you can't find one of these work orders then let me know as that may lead to an undrlying issue that I can't see since everythign is conencted correctly from my end
He coudln't get more honest, and he gave you all the information he had, and could give.
He can't tell you EXACTLY how to get the item, that would be cheating, as some would consider it a dev. providing a player or group of players information that gives them an unfair advantage. And I'm sure we all familliar with how that goes. CCP anyone?
I see you didn't make any comment about the responce of one of the mods that indicated that you weren't banned from the site, but put into the retired catagory because of your very own actions. You tried to imply that you were banned for nothing, when in fact it was your own actions.
I have be honest. The more you post on this topic, and the more I see come out of it, the more and MORE it turns out that YOU are the one being exposed, and acting like a nazi. YOU are the one that keeps lying, and trying to feed people BS here. Not the dev. or VGcrafters. YOU.
A nazi would demand conformity to thier view, and considers anyone that doesn't take the things they say as truth as sheep. I mean you keep saying it yourself, and in almost every post: BS that would pacify the sheeps. You continually insist that anyone that doesn't take yourside is a sheep. What makes you think you're a better shepard then the dev.?
Another thing. Not having this gear, is it affecting your ability to craft? From what I've read, everyone seems to be in agreement that they can still craft lvl 50 recipes to A grade with ease, not having those two items. Why are you so concerned about getting them if the don't even provide you with any benefit outside of what you already have? You'll still be crafting the same exact recipes at the same quality level; you don't even need those items right now.
Wish Darkfall would release.
Heh, or we could just make it simpler and AGAIN state...
Yeah, we know what happened...
We still think you over-reacted. We still think you are over-reacting. In fact, there is a good chance you will over-react again!
Interesting Kilim. Hope you find a decent game some day that fits you. Oh and don't let the ass kissers here get to you. I won't comment on whetrer the game is broken or not since I have not played it since beta. Just never figured they could polish a turd into a diamond.
I miss DAoC
Keep your tinfoil hat polished. Never can tell when those lyin' devs might try to sneak something by us!
Mirrim
Chanter, Spatalos Server