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Is it too late? (EVE Online)
daqko
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Is it too late to start playing EVE Online?
Will it take me too long to catch up?
Will I feel left out?
Did I miss too many events that give special novelty items?
Will I be the only noob?
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No its not too late.
you'll see some posts (probably in this thread soon) that tell are like "SUM OF DEM HAVE LIKE FITTY MILLION SKILLPTS YOU NVR COMPETE!!!." but only a handful of skills actually will apply to any ship you fly. So the 5 million skillpoints some dude has in industry isnt going to make him a better battleship pilot.
there are lots of "noobs". So you wont be alone. I dont know of a whole lot of events that gave any noteworthy items. So you'll be alright. join a corp and you wont feel left out, many will teach you and train you in whatever field you want to be in (pvp etc)
and if you are concerned about taking forever to be good in pvp, remember PVP in EVE is meant to be gang oriented, not 1 on 1. And making a combat / pvp character will be useful in gang fights pretty damn fast. Hell a kestrel will hit a battleship with missiles, launch a few heavies and you'll do some dmg. And if hes using sieges he will need a pile of torps to kill you. (torps are battleship-killing weapons, do very low dmg vs frigates like Kestrels). He'd win 1 on 1 still, but why would you fight a bs 1 on 1 ina frigate? Gangs people gangs!
Best bet though is just try the 14 day trial. The tutorial is a bit painful but gives you a good idea whats going on.
Ok concerning the old tired argument that some palyers have like 50 million skill points and you will NEVER catch up. True he may have 50 million but while he is flying say a tech level 2 cruiser he wiill only be using the skills that are used to fly it and the skills that operate the modules on his ship which is probably like 40% of his total skills. You see he porbably ahs like 20 illion skillpoints dedicagted to flying the biggest capital ships like carriers which he is not using at allin piloting a small cruiser.
Meanwhile you will chose a race to specilise in and a ship and all your skillpoints will be used in that goal unlike the 50 million skillpoint player who probably has skillpoints dedicated to other races ships too [which he wont be using either].
Thats why a newb can with proper skill direction compete with a true eve vet with like 650 million skillpoints because his skill are spread to generall areas and yours will be more specilised.
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-- Jean Rostand
free trial,
Go forth and seek out that answer yourself, as only you can answer it. If your asking if you can catch up with older players, no and besides the question you should be asking is, "What is it I want to do".
In EVE you are basicly given a starter ship and equipment and kicked out the air lock. What you do or what you accomplish or what you become is literally up to you.
Start the trial, do the tutorial. It will take a few hours but will teach you almost everything you need to know. To finish your training, do not upgrade you ship or items, leave them in your hanger. Open the map and head out into 0.0 space. As soon as you are podded you will get a free ship and a free clone. Head right back out to 0.0 space and continue the lessing until you learn the lession, you will die, you will loose your ship and everything in it, it not a if, it's a when. Once you understand that you can start working on how to have fun between the losses.
An so it begins
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It is too late.
You will never catch up to the vets. On the EQ 2 Antonia Bayle server, for example, it is like the game was just released with the large amount of new players joining. You also have a lot of vets and established guilds as well. You will not have anything like that in EVE.
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You can have a lot of fun in eve and play the game like the "big boys".It'll take you a few months to get into it and to get the good basic skills though , but that allways has been the way eve works.Just try to join a corporation soon.They can help you out with all sorts of things and this way you can do things you on your own are too "small" for.Only prob is with the trial you won't get too far.To really get into eve takes at least a month or 2 to 3.....at least.
There are very few novelty items handed out, and those who were are mostly blown up by now.
Also, it'll take you about 2 months to catch up skillwise to what is to be considered a competetive standard.
So, yeah, two month for any decent player to be up and running.
There's also lots and lots of newbies, so don't worry.
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"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-- Jean Rostand
Yes it's too late.
You will never be as good as someone who subscribed before you no matter if you put twice the effort and time into it, becasue of the fixed real time skill training system.
Because of nerfs that benefited veterans with getting a jumpstart advantage into production, you will never be able to amass the kind of wealth required to dominate as some of the early corporations do. In EvE, wealth is power.
I am tired of this stupid argument.
-> Old players have 40 million skill points , but they are not specialised. If you specialise you can be just as good as them.
Guess what ! This is a big fat lie.
And here is why
EVE is probably the most complex MMO around. It will take you at least a month even to start griping its deeper concepts.
And you will invest in skills you think are good , and will probably be wrong. Than you will invest in others , and probably be wrong.And so on and so on.
Even the old players with 40 million skill points would be hard pressed to create this "perfect" character. Try the trial and ask people what skills to learn. You will get 10 completely diferent advices from 10 diferent people.
So you see ,
Perhaps if you played EVE for years and decide to start new character , you will know how to make that "specialised" wonder
In reality, as a newbie, you will train same useless skills like everyone else (that just started to play)
Sorry but its true
Btw, i think EVE is in early stage now and it has lots of bright years in future. It constanty becomes better and bigger
I see your point but it shouldn't be about if he can be as good as a vet is..it should be about if he can do the stuff vets do.To that the answer is yes.If he joins up on a bigger alliance for example he can do the same as a vet.He could join goonswarm and fight against BOB after a few months just like the vets.He could benefit from mining stuff vets mine in the same way.Offcourse he wouldn't be able to do both like the vets but needs to choose one of both and "probably" see himself mining the ifrst months..but didn't we all start out that way?I remember vividly the first 4 months or so mining day in day out...eve is the best mmorpg in my point of view but also has the biggest grind there is.
when i trialed this it was probably the coolest game i had ever played. Far technical then anything ever. its def worth a shot.
You can still enjoy Eve, depending on your expectations. There's lots to do in Empire space.
However, all the high end content is out in the lawless frontier. You can certainly join a corp and get into pvp action right away if you like, acting as a tackler or scout for a larger fleet. Still, you'll probably feel like a complete worm for months as you get yourself together.
Some things you'll have to accept, though: no amount of effort will help you "level up" because in Eve your skills increase over time, not due to activity. You're looking at several weeks before you're effective at even basic tasks, and months before you're a useful part of a corporation. Also, you'll never break into the most lucrative crafting. The BPO lottery basically keeps this out of reach for any new player.
Also, the glory days of Eve have probably already passed for the newcomer. The amount of resources in the hands of the old timers, and consequently their immense capital ship fleets, means that anything you build outside of Empire is likely to get taken from you at any moment. You can scrape and build for months and see it all vaporized in an afternoon. As a new player you will almost certainly be the vaporizee, rather than the vaporizor, and nothing is likely to change that.
Joining EVE now is pretty much the same as joining at any other point in the game (apart from launch). People that have been playing 4 years might have 40, 50, or even 60m skill points, but that doesn't mean you need that many sp to beat them.
My CEO has somewhere around 60m sp and I have about 26m. I wouldn't feel at any disadvantage to fight him 1v1 in any non-capital ship. Once you play the game about a year you start to feel like you are on the same level to compete with anyone.
EVE will keep going strong for a long time. The longer you wait to play, the more you miss out.
EvE has a long running free trial program. So there is no way you will be the only new player.
BTW, join a corporation to get the full experience of EvE.
I recently started playing EvE and so far I am having a blast. Is it to late? I think that is going to depend on how patient you are. If you take your starter ship, fly it into 0.0 space and exepect to start pwning face then your going ot have issues. Now on the other hand if you take the time to train up some skills and make some ISK for some decent equipment then I think it will be quite viable.
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By the time you have your spec 20 million in a tech 2 ship guess what?? Yes the older advanced player will probably have tech 3(which is not out yet but you know will be in time) The advanced player will always have more points in battle unless (A) he totally disregards battle for say industry, and (B) you totally gimp yourself by going all battle and no other outside skills (I e you will never win the tech lottery to get nifty tech 2 Bp's you will never really get into the better ISK making fields etc.)
Sure Eve has alot of interesting and fun things. Though the missions get old fairly fast, but don't buy the misleading hype that you'll be anywhere near able to take on a 4 year vet in battle in say less then 2 years time (assuming you stay focused and somewhat gimped and the vet spends thier SP's on every skill under the sun)
If your gunna play, play with other goals then kicking Vets butts because while you might be a small time player in the big picture or just cannon fodder for some of the Vets corps you will never be even, or able to take out a vet thats has half a brain. No its not the truth that CCP and some of the vets want you to hear but its the truth just the same.
Yes it's too late. Not because "vets have too many skillpoints" no. It's because you lack the most important thing in Eve. Isk. Isk controls everything you do because it is the main controling factor in the game. Want to PvP? Hope you have a shitload of isk to back of any losses you may incur so that when your shiny new ship exploads, your not left with nothing but your clone and your freebie noob ship. Whats this though? It takes forever to scrimp even a tiny bit of isk because the vets have pretty much any large venue of generating it completely locked off. Well then, just take out the vets then right? That's what Eve is all about. Oh wait, but I forgot about the small fact that because they control these areas, they are absolutely rolling in isk, and while some divine miracle might allow you to pop the first 6 carriers they own, you probably won't be able to handle the 30 assault frigs, ceptors, and that titan he has just for kicks.
Despite their cries to the contrary, Eve has a very insular and elitest community. You will only succeed if they decide to share.
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No its not to late dont listen to that crap . I just started back in Jan and i kill people all the time thats been playing the game for alot longer than i have. Heck Ive beat people in a ship with T2 fittings in my T1 fitted cruiser. Its all about picking ur fights and knowing the other ship ur fighting against . .If someone compares EVE to EQ2,WOW or eny other game then they must not have played the freaking game , because it just doesnt compare to those other games.
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I started playing EVE for the first time at the end of May. I'm earning ISK just fine, and will shortly own a Battleship which I will fly over to 0.0 space controlled by my corporation's alliance where I'll start making between 10-20 million isk an hour ratting /missions.... which is more than adequate to fund my activities for the coming months....
There's a lot of game here for a new player..... even if you won't ever fly a Titan.....
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It's never too late. The longer you wait, the more skill points will slip through your fingers.
It depends on what your goal in the game is.
Eve is a sandbox game. There is no given goal. No "chain of quests" or "primary missions". Some people play it to conquer as much space as possible, some play it to become as rich as possible, some play it to become famous.
A common mentality is that the only "goal" in eve is to "max out your skills". If this is your goal, it's definately too late. Telling others that there is no "point" in playing eve because you think this is their goal also is narrow-minded.
If you want to join a warring corporation and help them in taking over the galaxy, it will only be a few weeks until you become a valuable asset to them. There are corps which actively recruit newbies with the intention of training them up to become future full members.
I play Eve very passively, I probably only log in about 3-4 hours a week. I still manage to pull in enough credits to float my subscribtion using in-game cash. I find satisfaction in earning money and helping my corp economically, while occasionally getting into my support/utility boat and help them by doing some target painting and sensor jamming.
Try the free trial. If your that bent on skipping through the game just goto eve forums and BUY A SKILLED CHARACTER.
Personally I like my toon started from scratch. I am a bit over a year old and can hold my own in combat vs pilots who are much older.
It's not how many skill points you got, it's more how smart you skill out, how smart you engage in combat, how smart you fit your ship, and how well your team is working together especially.
EVE is very tactical, so even a noob can turn the tide of an engagement.
To those who say "It's too late you'll never catch up" Go play wow and enjoy your safe no risk little mindless game.
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