lol, if u want to go by what the critics say gameloading then lets see what they say about archlord. Most reviews from your beloved critics who say wow is better than eq2 say archlord is a worthless pile of crap and not worth paying for.
I do not think WoW is a bad game. I think EQ 2 offers a lot more, though. More world to adventure in. More quests. More variety. A much better world feel. Better sounds. A shitload more content. Way better raiding.
overall, EQ 2 is a more fun game, having played them both. Community in EQ 2 is also so much better than WoW's.
Ofcourse you should think for yourself, I do too. Just because a critic says a game is good, does not mean you will enjoy it, and vice versa.
What happens when you disagree with a critic is a question I find a bit hard to answer. I play a game completely different then a critic does, I just sit back and play the game. A critic does it differently, it checks every detail, tries to find bugs and glitches, etc. A critic goes in much larger detail.
"Just because a critic says a game is good, does not mean you will enjoy it, and vice versa."
Whoah, hold on a second! How can that be? If a critic says a game is good, the game is good, right? Isn't that what you've been saying all along?
And if a critic plays a game differently than a normal player does, why should the player trust the critic's judgement at all? Houseflies eat food differently than I do. That's why I don't trust them when they say dogshit is delicious.
Right, the game is good, but that does not mean you have to enjoy it. But the quality is there.
I already explained why a player should trust a critic, I'm really not going over it again.
But you said we shouldn't trust the critics - if a critic says I'll like the game, I may not like the game. That tells me I shouldn't trust the critics at all.
A critic tells you the quality of a game, not that you'll like the game. You'll see a "If you like Game A, you will definitetly like game B" thrown in every now and then, but thats about it.
So you agree with me. The critics and their reviews are completely irrelevant to this thread, which is gamer279 asking which game he might enjoy more. I'm not sure why you brought it up in the first place, but hopefully you'll let it go now.
I don't know what you mean by "better," but since you clearly don't mean "more fun," it's not important.
Not at all, you simply don't understand my point. I suggest you re-read my posts.
Please stick to the subject, thank you. You're comparing apples with cars. The united states have more people because of entirely different reasons, something you would have known if you studied history. the fact your trying to compare the number of players of a game with the population of a country is laughable.
Yes, the US does have more people for entirely different reasons, however you're measuring the quality of a game by quantity, which in itself is laughable along with juvenile.
Quantity has often to do with quality , especialy when judging an MMORPG, its that simple. If a game like WoW can hold millions of subscribers for this many months, its doing something right. I have yet to hear an alternative way to see which MMO is truly the best. Critics? WoW wins there as well. Awards? Yup, that round goes to WoW. And no, "Best" is not entirely subjective. Its silly to think that every MMORPG is of the exact same quality.
You're not taking into account the Blizzard Fan Base, a lot of which weren't MMO players, then you add in the MMO fans who wanted to try the game out as well. You have a convergence of Blizzard loyalist and MMO fans coming together.
Actually I am taking into account the Blizzard Fan Base. But just because it has a big fanbase does not mean a game will have millions of subscribers, and the best example of that is Final Fantasy XI. A fanbase that rivals that of Blizzard, yet it doesn't even have a shred of Blizzards fanbase.
Please stick to the subject, thank you. You're comparing apples with cars. The united states have more people because of entirely different reasons, something you would have known if you studied history. the fact your trying to compare the number of players of a game with the population of a country is laughable.
Yes, the US does have more people for entirely different reasons, however you're measuring the quality of a game by quantity, which in itself is laughable along with juvenile.
Quantity has often to do with quality , especialy when judging an MMORPG, its that simple. If a game like WoW can hold millions of subscribers for this many months, its doing something right. I have yet to hear an alternative way to see which MMO is truly the best. Critics? WoW wins there as well. Awards? Yup, that round goes to WoW. And no, "Best" is not entirely subjective. Its silly to think that every MMORPG is of the exact same quality.
You're not taking into account the Blizzard Fan Base, a lot of which weren't MMO players, then you add in the MMO fans who wanted to try the game out as well. You have a convergence of Blizzard loyalist and MMO fans coming together.
Actually I am taking into account the Blizzard Fan Base. But just because it has a big fanbase does not mean a game will have millions of subscribers, and the best example of that is Final Fantasy XI. A fanbase that rivals that of Blizzard, yet it doesn't even have a shred of Blizzards fanbase.
You're now side stepping your original leveraging point.
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World of Warcraft is better than EQ2 in almost every regard. That isn't to say that EQ2 is a bad game, indeed, it's a very good game. When Kunark comes out for EQ2, you can bet I will take a break from WoW to play it. Still, EQ2 suffers from being designed by people who don't know much about making a well polished game, while Blizzard have proved themselves over and over again.
Why people seem so aghast by the idea that WoW is the best, I don't understand, given all the evidence to the contrary. Some will claim that game critics' opinions can't be trusted, and while I can't rely on their opinion completely, as a guide to what's good and what isn't, I trust them far more than some anonymous forum poster.
You can argue that WoW's popularity doesn't indicate quality, and if you rely on that factor by itself, that's entirely true. But as other posters here have already said, it's WoW's popularity combined with it's mass huge of accolades, widespread critical acclaim and it's impact on the genre should pretty much silence all but the most reluctant to acknowledge WoW's qualities.
Diversity dictates that not everyone will enjoy World of Warcraft, but with all the combining factors WoW is the only MMO that you can quantify as being the best. I use the term 'best', in the most quantifiable manner possible, not what is your favorite MMO. Just because your favorite MMO is not the best, doesn't mean it isn't.
And it doesn't mean that you have to like it. Obviously many think that WoW is the devils work Yet, history will remember WoW as the king, and EQ2 as a pretender to the throne, desperately changing game systems to be more like it. Does that mean WoW is without faults? Of course it isn't, no MMORPG will EVER be perfect.
What people say about WoW's community is utterly false as well. Usually just a jealous stab at the popular kid. You should check out the voice chat in our guild, the average age is probably higher than these forums at the very least.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
Is your mother in any position to judge games on a profesional basis? No. Critics on the other hand rate games for a living, they know what they are talking about. And critics praise WoW for its quality. As I already explained, chances are big that many players played other MMORPG's. As WoW became more popular, other big MMO's such as Everquest,Everquest 2, SWG, DAOC, and more games all started to lose subscribers. Coincidence? I think not
Quality and quanity are often related. World of Warcraft received high critic scores everywhere, and look, its the most popular mmorpg out there. Critics praised Gears of War for its quality, and look, Gears of War is the most played Xbox360 game on Xbox live. The Final Fantasy series are some of the most praised RPG's. Its also the most popular RPG franchise. Coincidence? No. it isn't coincidence.
Again you express your opinions as fact. Critics can be anyone - me, you or my mother. The opinion of professional critics are no truer than mine or yours - they just play the game and tell us what it is like before we hand over our hard earned cash. A lot of times they get it wrong (Doom3 anyone?)
Your other points are also garbage - "professional" critics here in the UK are semi-divided over EQ2/WOW, although it is noticable that the magazines that traditionally have been very weak with regard to MMOs (e.g. PCGamer) put forward your arguments, while those that typically have a much deeper understanding of MMOs (e.g. PCZone) say that they are pretty much the same.
The rest of your post is just a terribly confused argument. McDonalds is the most popular restaurant in the world - it isn't the best. The Sun is the most popular newspaper here in the UK - it most certainly is not the best. Your arguments remain terribly confused and very ineffecftive.
WoW - 8,5 million active subscribers - best game according to critics - Most awards EQ2 - around 200k ~ 500k subscribers
Yeah..quite clear, WoW is better then Everquest 2.
LMAO what a tard using this logic as an arguement. If you are looking for an overall great game to to just about anything, and look like a normal human doing it... play EQ2.
If you want a gravy train game that appeals to pre-teens and looking to have numerous max lvl toons in a week, play WoW. ( but you will have to look like a queer goat looking thing instead of a human)
By your logic, it seems you fit in WoW just fine. Please get some manners before posting again, thanks.
Is your mother in any position to judge games on a profesional basis? No. Critics on the other hand rate games for a living, they know what they are talking about. And critics praise WoW for its quality. As I already explained, chances are big that many players played other MMORPG's. As WoW became more popular, other big MMO's such as Everquest,Everquest 2, SWG, DAOC, and more games all started to lose subscribers. Coincidence? I think not
Quality and quanity are often related. World of Warcraft received high critic scores everywhere, and look, its the most popular mmorpg out there. Critics praised Gears of War for its quality, and look, Gears of War is the most played Xbox360 game on Xbox live. The Final Fantasy series are some of the most praised RPG's. Its also the most popular RPG franchise. Coincidence? No. it isn't coincidence.
Again you express your opinions as fact. Critics can be anyone - me, you or my mother. The opinion of professional critics are no truer than mine or yours - they just play the game and tell us what it is like before we hand over our hard earned cash. A lot of times they get it wrong (Doom3 anyone?)
Your other points are also garbage - "professional" critics here in the UK are semi-divided over EQ2/WOW, although it is noticable that the magazines that traditionally have been very weak with regard to MMOs (e.g. PCGamer) put forward your arguments, while those that typically have a much deeper understanding of MMOs (e.g. PCZone) say that they are pretty much the same.
The rest of your post is just a terribly confused argument. McDonalds is the most popular restaurant in the world - it isn't the best. The Sun is the most popular newspaper here in the UK - it most certainly is not the best. Your arguments remain terribly confused and very ineffecftive.
The difference is that its a critics proffesion to judge games, and there is simply no way to get around that. They simply know more about video games then the average gamer who works from 8 to 5 and plays video games a few hours a day. I don't know about any the critics in the UK, but worldwide, the message is more than clear:
McDonalds may not be the best restaurant in the world, it certainly is the best fast food restaurant in the world. Because thats what MCdonalds is, a fast food restaurant.
I don't know about any newspapers in the UK, so I'm not going into that one
Is your mother in any position to judge games on a profesional basis? No. Critics on the other hand rate games for a living, they know what they are talking about. And critics praise WoW for its quality. As I already explained, chances are big that many players played other MMORPG's. As WoW became more popular, other big MMO's such as Everquest,Everquest 2, SWG, DAOC, and more games all started to lose subscribers. Coincidence? I think not
Quality and quanity are often related. World of Warcraft received high critic scores everywhere, and look, its the most popular mmorpg out there. Critics praised Gears of War for its quality, and look, Gears of War is the most played Xbox360 game on Xbox live. The Final Fantasy series are some of the most praised RPG's. Its also the most popular RPG franchise. Coincidence? No. it isn't coincidence.
Again you express your opinions as fact. Critics can be anyone - me, you or my mother. The opinion of professional critics are no truer than mine or yours - they just play the game and tell us what it is like before we hand over our hard earned cash. A lot of times they get it wrong (Doom3 anyone?)
Your other points are also garbage - "professional" critics here in the UK are semi-divided over EQ2/WOW, although it is noticable that the magazines that traditionally have been very weak with regard to MMOs (e.g. PCGamer) put forward your arguments, while those that typically have a much deeper understanding of MMOs (e.g. PCZone) say that they are pretty much the same.
The rest of your post is just a terribly confused argument. McDonalds is the most popular restaurant in the world - it isn't the best. The Sun is the most popular newspaper here in the UK - it most certainly is not the best. Your arguments remain terribly confused and very ineffecftive.
The difference is that its a critics proffesion to judge games, and there is simply no way to get around that. They simply know more about video games then the average gamer who works from 8 to 5 and plays video games a few hours a day.
McDonalds may not be the best restaurant in the world, it certainly is the best fast food restaurant in the world. Because thats what MCdonalds is, a fast food restaurant.
I don't know about any newspapers in the UK, so I'm not going into that one
Critics are paid by company to review games, and said companys are paid by other companys to give them good reviews, sorry to say but anything a "critic" says or prints is slanted to the way their own company want or there own opinion dictates, I have seen GREAT movies that the Critics say are trash, I have played GREAT games that the all godly Critics say are trash, Critics are not now nor ever will be Experts on anything, I will read a Game Blog site before I go with what the Critics say.
In my book the only thing lower than a *professional Critic* is an Advertising Manager, they will say anything to sell their brand of Crap.
Oh on the actual question EQ2 or WoW both are good games but I got bored of WoW quickly so I would say EQ2.
to close, the only opinion you should really worry about is your own, it called thinking for yourself, forming your own opinion think for yourself, then worry about what the (experts ) say.
This is not a flame this is just one Critics opinion.
Is your mother in any position to judge games on a profesional basis? No. Critics on the other hand rate games for a living, they know what they are talking about. And critics praise WoW for its quality. As I already explained, chances are big that many players played other MMORPG's. As WoW became more popular, other big MMO's such as Everquest,Everquest 2, SWG, DAOC, and more games all started to lose subscribers. Coincidence? I think not
Quality and quanity are often related. World of Warcraft received high critic scores everywhere, and look, its the most popular mmorpg out there. Critics praised Gears of War for its quality, and look, Gears of War is the most played Xbox360 game on Xbox live. The Final Fantasy series are some of the most praised RPG's. Its also the most popular RPG franchise. Coincidence? No. it isn't coincidence.
Again you express your opinions as fact. Critics can be anyone - me, you or my mother. The opinion of professional critics are no truer than mine or yours - they just play the game and tell us what it is like before we hand over our hard earned cash. A lot of times they get it wrong (Doom3 anyone?)
Your other points are also garbage - "professional" critics here in the UK are semi-divided over EQ2/WOW, although it is noticable that the magazines that traditionally have been very weak with regard to MMOs (e.g. PCGamer) put forward your arguments, while those that typically have a much deeper understanding of MMOs (e.g. PCZone) say that they are pretty much the same.
The rest of your post is just a terribly confused argument. McDonalds is the most popular restaurant in the world - it isn't the best. The Sun is the most popular newspaper here in the UK - it most certainly is not the best. Your arguments remain terribly confused and very ineffecftive.
The difference is that its a critics proffesion to judge games, and there is simply no way to get around that. They simply know more about video games then the average gamer who works from 8 to 5 and plays video games a few hours a day.
McDonalds may not be the best restaurant in the world, it certainly is the best fast food restaurant in the world. Because thats what MCdonalds is, a fast food restaurant.
I don't know about any newspapers in the UK, so I'm not going into that one
Critics are paid by company to review games, and said companys are paid by other companys to give them good reviews, sorry to say but anything a "critic" says or prints is slanted to the way their own company want or there own opinion dictates, I have seen GREAT movies that the Critics say are trash, I have played GREAT games that the all godly Critics say are trash, Critics are not now nor ever will be Experts on anything, I will read a Game Blog site before I go with what the Critics say.
In my book the only thing lower than a *professional Critic* is an Advertising Manager, they will say anything to sell their brand of Crap.
Oh on the actual question EQ2 or WoW both are good games but I got bored of WoW quickly so I would say EQ2.
to close, the only opinion you should really worry about is your own, it called thinking for yourself, forming your own opinion think for yourself, then worry about what the (experts ) say.
This is not a flame this is just one Critics opinion.
oh yay, lets put on the tin foil helmet, conspiracies everywhere! I'm sure you have evidence to back up the claim that critics are corrupt?
I find it quite amazing that you put so much faith into your beloved critics. They are reviewers - no more no less. Just because e.g. a film critic says that they prefer one film to another, does not mean that the film is better. Otherwise we would all have the same favourite film (as in your universe) and life would be very boring indeed. Their opinions are not fact.
I find it quote depressing there are people such as yourself who have so little confidence in their own opinions that they have to browse to some website to be told what to think. Try to think for yourself.... Try a game - you may agree with your heroic critics, you may not. But form your own opinion.
WoW - 8,5 million active subscribers - best game according to critics - Most awards EQ2 - around 200k ~ 500k subscribers
Yeah..quite clear, WoW is better then Everquest 2.
I agree WoW is good for a gamer because it is aimed for the average player and mmo newbie. Eq2 is more for people that are fans of the genre. Also WoW probably has around 2-3 million unique players.
so...
Spiderman > Godfather.
Titanic on release was the best movie ever made.
Halo 3 is supposed to make more money then anything in entertainment history that means
Halo 3 is going to be the best game of all time, better then monkey island and fallout, better then your precious wow. It will also be better then any movie ever released, better then any book ever written, better then any play ever... played.
wow ruined gaming just horrible yeah just because every 8 year old plays it doesnt make it the best rpg ever....honestly wouldnt waste a hour on it myself...
And im not praising eq2 either i just dont think there is a best game out right now because of the simple fact after you spend hundreds of hours on a game it becomes just like anything other game boring...wow makes millions in a month and the best they could come up with for new content in game was a flying mount everyone paided 40 bucks for a flying mount congrats 2 years in heres your flying mount big dam deal..
Everyone has there favorite game and to date after 26 years of playing computer games i still find myself going for more single player off line games then online i still go back and play ultima 4 and 5....and i do alot of beta game testing 6 years of that so far nothing has caught my interest....
I have high hopes on aoc but just like i said might get bored after a month with it..
wow appeals to people cause its so easy to play , i mean ya click a target and ya mash buttons , i played a friends account who's class was something i never tried before in pretty much every mmo , it was a shaman ,now it was my friend time playing , i did duals outside and Bg's with him for 2 days and i was pretty good , only died a few times in bg's and lost 3 duals , i was able to look at what spells i had read what they did and use them , tho the things ya lay on the ground confused me alot but i got use out of them
WoW - 8,5 million active subscribers - best game according to critics - Most awards EQ2 - around 200k ~ 500k subscribers
Yeah..quite clear, WoW is better then Everquest 2.
I agree WoW is good for a gamer because it is aimed for the average player and mmo newbie. Eq2 is more for people that are fans of the genre. Also WoW probably has around 2-3 million unique players.
so...
Spiderman > Godfather.
Titanic on release was the best movie ever made.
Halo 3 is supposed to make more money then anything in entertainment history that means
Halo 3 is going to be the best game of all time, better then monkey island and fallout, better then your precious wow. It will also be better then any movie ever released, better then any book ever written, better then any play ever... played.
This is what I believe you are saying.
If I read this post wrong please tell me.
First the movies. I'm unaware how many people actually watched those movies. Spiderman and the godfather were released in different times in a different economy. But aside from that, just like the titanic, they are completely different movies made for a completely different audience. Everquest 2 and WoW are not, they are made for the same audience. Same thing with Halo 3, its made for a complete different audience. Halo 3 is build for a FPS audience, and audience that is much, much bigger then say, for example, an RPG audience.
WoW - 8,5 million active subscribers - best game according to critics - Most awards EQ2 - around 200k ~ 500k subscribers
Yeah..quite clear, WoW is better then Everquest 2.
I agree WoW is good for a gamer because it is aimed for the average player and mmo newbie. Eq2 is more for people that are fans of the genre. Also WoW probably has around 2-3 million unique players.
so...
Spiderman > Godfather.
Titanic on release was the best movie ever made.
Halo 3 is supposed to make more money then anything in entertainment history that means
Halo 3 is going to be the best game of all time, better then monkey island and fallout, better then your precious wow. It will also be better then any movie ever released, better then any book ever written, better then any play ever... played.
This is what I believe you are saying.
If I read this post wrong please tell me.
I liked The Godfather more, and since I can find a handful of published opinions that agree with me, it "proves" that The Godfather is "better" than Spiderman and that my opinion is actually fact.
I also refuse to define "better" except to point out that it clearly doesn't mean "a more enjoyable film," unless I want it to mean that, in which case it does. And if you don't agree with me, you clearly are not impressed by big numbers, so here's a bigger one: Eleventy Billion. See? The Godfather is the best movie ever made. I rest my case.
this has really ended up in a pokemon vs Hayao Miyazaki movies disucssion..
just because both movies is cartoon, and aim for cartoon movie audience, dosnt mean it aim for the same part of the audience..
it is always the products made for KIDS, that will stand out.. because most of the charts is based on products mostly only kids buy..
adults can think for themselfs, what they like and dislike... many kids want stuff just because everyone else got it. and parants buy it to them..
as example we can take music.. the chart lists is based on Single. the recording company buy some of them back themselfs to make the track get up on the list so it can be played on radio, something that makes these kids go and buy this single.. if you ask some of the music producers if they like there music, they most likely gonna tell you.. My music is crap, i dont understand why people buy this stuff.. but they do it for the money, and make primitive music for primitive people..
and the quility music will never come out on single.. something that means it would not be taken into consideration..
if your company got enough money and use most of the money on marketing/promotions.. you can sell everything you want, and people will belive the lies and buy it, and not long after everyone buys it because everyone else does it..
just like water you get in the shop, its the same water you get for free.. only difference is that it has a lable.. and people really think labels makes something better
wow = kids & childhish adults.. everything you do is simply all about what you can get.. EQ2 = adults & mature kids.. most of what you do, is about the guild progress & guildmates maby pick the game after what stage you are in life
I disagree. If what you say is true than there are 8.5 million kids playing WoW, but only 200,000 adults playing EQ2? Doesn't make sense.
Personally I play MMOs for myself, not for a guild. A guild is a means to make my character "better" while providing a social element.
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Checkers is a noob game. Hardcore gamers play Chess.
no!..hardcore gamers play chess,checkers and poker...all on one board...just like Honeycut and Hawkeye did in M.A.S.H!
now thats Hardcore!
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lol, if u want to go by what the critics say gameloading then lets see what they say about archlord. Most reviews from your beloved critics who say wow is better than eq2 say archlord is a worthless pile of crap and not worth paying for.
I do not think WoW is a bad game. I think EQ 2 offers a lot more, though. More world to adventure in. More quests. More variety. A much better world feel. Better sounds. A shitload more content. Way better raiding.
overall, EQ 2 is a more fun game, having played them both. Community in EQ 2 is also so much better than WoW's.
Boycott EA Games. RIP Sim City.
United States: 301,139,947 People
Netherlands: 16,570,613 People
The US is obviously better.
Except your have no choice in where you are born.WTF kinda logic is going on in your head?
For someone advocating logic you sure missed the jest of the post.
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"Just because a critic says a game is good, does not mean you will enjoy it, and vice versa."
Whoah, hold on a second! How can that be? If a critic says a game is good, the game is good, right? Isn't that what you've been saying all along?
And if a critic plays a game differently than a normal player does, why should the player trust the critic's judgement at all? Houseflies eat food differently than I do. That's why I don't trust them when they say dogshit is delicious.
Right, the game is good, but that does not mean you have to enjoy it. But the quality is there.I already explained why a player should trust a critic, I'm really not going over it again.
But you said we shouldn't trust the critics - if a critic says I'll like the game, I may not like the game. That tells me I shouldn't trust the critics at all.
A critic tells you the quality of a game, not that you'll like the game. You'll see a "If you like Game A, you will definitetly like game B" thrown in every now and then, but thats about it.
So you agree with me. The critics and their reviews are completely irrelevant to this thread, which is gamer279 asking which game he might enjoy more. I'm not sure why you brought it up in the first place, but hopefully you'll let it go now.
I don't know what you mean by "better," but since you clearly don't mean "more fun," it's not important.
Not at all, you simply don't understand my point. I suggest you re-read my posts.
United States: 301,139,947 People
Netherlands: 16,570,613 People
The US is obviously better.
Please stick to the subject, thank you. You're comparing apples with cars. The united states have more people because of entirely different reasons, something you would have known if you studied history. the fact your trying to compare the number of players of a game with the population of a country is laughable.
Yes, the US does have more people for entirely different reasons, however you're measuring the quality of a game by quantity, which in itself is laughable along with juvenile.
Quantity has often to do with quality , especialy when judging an MMORPG, its that simple. If a game like WoW can hold millions of subscribers for this many months, its doing something right. I have yet to hear an alternative way to see which MMO is truly the best. Critics? WoW wins there as well. Awards? Yup, that round goes to WoW. And no, "Best" is not entirely subjective. Its silly to think that every MMORPG is of the exact same quality.
You're not taking into account the Blizzard Fan Base, a lot of which weren't MMO players, then you add in the MMO fans who wanted to try the game out as well. You have a convergence of Blizzard loyalist and MMO fans coming together.
Actually I am taking into account the Blizzard Fan Base. But just because it has a big fanbase does not mean a game will have millions of subscribers, and the best example of that is Final Fantasy XI. A fanbase that rivals that of Blizzard, yet it doesn't even have a shred of Blizzards fanbase.
United States: 301,139,947 People
Netherlands: 16,570,613 People
The US is obviously better.
Please stick to the subject, thank you. You're comparing apples with cars. The united states have more people because of entirely different reasons, something you would have known if you studied history. the fact your trying to compare the number of players of a game with the population of a country is laughable.
Yes, the US does have more people for entirely different reasons, however you're measuring the quality of a game by quantity, which in itself is laughable along with juvenile.
Quantity has often to do with quality , especialy when judging an MMORPG, its that simple. If a game like WoW can hold millions of subscribers for this many months, its doing something right. I have yet to hear an alternative way to see which MMO is truly the best. Critics? WoW wins there as well. Awards? Yup, that round goes to WoW. And no, "Best" is not entirely subjective. Its silly to think that every MMORPG is of the exact same quality.
You're not taking into account the Blizzard Fan Base, a lot of which weren't MMO players, then you add in the MMO fans who wanted to try the game out as well. You have a convergence of Blizzard loyalist and MMO fans coming together.
Actually I am taking into account the Blizzard Fan Base. But just because it has a big fanbase does not mean a game will have millions of subscribers, and the best example of that is Final Fantasy XI. A fanbase that rivals that of Blizzard, yet it doesn't even have a shred of Blizzards fanbase.
You're now side stepping your original leveraging point.
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Wow is without doubts the better game.people on this site played wow to much ,now they are bored.
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In a world without wow i'd deffo pick eq2 though
World of Warcraft is better than EQ2 in almost every regard. That isn't to say that EQ2 is a bad game, indeed, it's a very good game. When Kunark comes out for EQ2, you can bet I will take a break from WoW to play it. Still, EQ2 suffers from being designed by people who don't know much about making a well polished game, while Blizzard have proved themselves over and over again.
Why people seem so aghast by the idea that WoW is the best, I don't understand, given all the evidence to the contrary. Some will claim that game critics' opinions can't be trusted, and while I can't rely on their opinion completely, as a guide to what's good and what isn't, I trust them far more than some anonymous forum poster.
You can argue that WoW's popularity doesn't indicate quality, and if you rely on that factor by itself, that's entirely true. But as other posters here have already said, it's WoW's popularity combined with it's mass huge of accolades, widespread critical acclaim and it's impact on the genre should pretty much silence all but the most reluctant to acknowledge WoW's qualities.
Diversity dictates that not everyone will enjoy World of Warcraft, but with all the combining factors WoW is the only MMO that you can quantify as being the best. I use the term 'best', in the most quantifiable manner possible, not what is your favorite MMO. Just because your favorite MMO is not the best, doesn't mean it isn't.
And it doesn't mean that you have to like it. Obviously many think that WoW is the devils work Yet, history will remember WoW as the king, and EQ2 as a pretender to the throne, desperately changing game systems to be more like it. Does that mean WoW is without faults? Of course it isn't, no MMORPG will EVER be perfect.
What people say about WoW's community is utterly false as well. Usually just a jealous stab at the popular kid. You should check out the voice chat in our guild, the average age is probably higher than these forums at the very least.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
Again you express your opinions as fact. Critics can be anyone - me, you or my mother. The opinion of professional critics are no truer than mine or yours - they just play the game and tell us what it is like before we hand over our hard earned cash. A lot of times they get it wrong (Doom3 anyone?)
Your other points are also garbage - "professional" critics here in the UK are semi-divided over EQ2/WOW, although it is noticable that the magazines that traditionally have been very weak with regard to MMOs (e.g. PCGamer) put forward your arguments, while those that typically have a much deeper understanding of MMOs (e.g. PCZone) say that they are pretty much the same.
The rest of your post is just a terribly confused argument. McDonalds is the most popular restaurant in the world - it isn't the best. The Sun is the most popular newspaper here in the UK - it most certainly is not the best. Your arguments remain terribly confused and very ineffecftive.
If you want a gravy train game that appeals to pre-teens and looking to have numerous max lvl toons in a week, play WoW. ( but you will have to look like a queer goat looking thing instead of a human)
By your logic, it seems you fit in WoW just fine. Please get some manners before posting again, thanks.
Again you express your opinions as fact. Critics can be anyone - me, you or my mother. The opinion of professional critics are no truer than mine or yours - they just play the game and tell us what it is like before we hand over our hard earned cash. A lot of times they get it wrong (Doom3 anyone?)
Your other points are also garbage - "professional" critics here in the UK are semi-divided over EQ2/WOW, although it is noticable that the magazines that traditionally have been very weak with regard to MMOs (e.g. PCGamer) put forward your arguments, while those that typically have a much deeper understanding of MMOs (e.g. PCZone) say that they are pretty much the same.
The rest of your post is just a terribly confused argument. McDonalds is the most popular restaurant in the world - it isn't the best. The Sun is the most popular newspaper here in the UK - it most certainly is not the best. Your arguments remain terribly confused and very ineffecftive.
The difference is that its a critics proffesion to judge games, and there is simply no way to get around that. They simply know more about video games then the average gamer who works from 8 to 5 and plays video games a few hours a day. I don't know about any the critics in the UK, but worldwide, the message is more than clear:http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/534914.asp?q=World of Warcraft
92% average rating
http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/561210.asp?q=Everquest 2
84% average rating.
McDonalds may not be the best restaurant in the world, it certainly is the best fast food restaurant in the world. Because thats what MCdonalds is, a fast food restaurant.
I don't know about any newspapers in the UK, so I'm not going into that one
Again you express your opinions as fact. Critics can be anyone - me, you or my mother. The opinion of professional critics are no truer than mine or yours - they just play the game and tell us what it is like before we hand over our hard earned cash. A lot of times they get it wrong (Doom3 anyone?)
Your other points are also garbage - "professional" critics here in the UK are semi-divided over EQ2/WOW, although it is noticable that the magazines that traditionally have been very weak with regard to MMOs (e.g. PCGamer) put forward your arguments, while those that typically have a much deeper understanding of MMOs (e.g. PCZone) say that they are pretty much the same.
The rest of your post is just a terribly confused argument. McDonalds is the most popular restaurant in the world - it isn't the best. The Sun is the most popular newspaper here in the UK - it most certainly is not the best. Your arguments remain terribly confused and very ineffecftive.
The difference is that its a critics proffesion to judge games, and there is simply no way to get around that. They simply know more about video games then the average gamer who works from 8 to 5 and plays video games a few hours a day.McDonalds may not be the best restaurant in the world, it certainly is the best fast food restaurant in the world. Because thats what MCdonalds is, a fast food restaurant.
I don't know about any newspapers in the UK, so I'm not going into that one
Critics are paid by company to review games, and said companys are paid by other companys to give them good reviews, sorry to say but anything a "critic" says or prints is slanted to the way their own company want or there own opinion dictates, I have seen GREAT movies that the Critics say are trash, I have played GREAT games that the all godly Critics say are trash, Critics are not now nor ever will be Experts on anything, I will read a Game Blog site before I go with what the Critics say.
In my book the only thing lower than a *professional Critic* is an Advertising Manager, they will say anything to sell their brand of Crap.
Oh on the actual question EQ2 or WoW both are good games but I got bored of WoW quickly so I would say EQ2.
to close, the only opinion you should really worry about is your own, it called thinking for yourself, forming your own opinion think for yourself, then worry about what the (experts ) say.
This is not a flame this is just one Critics opinion.
I did, and I agree with what seems the be the general consensus. You don't have a point..
You like WoW better than EQ2, so that makes it "better" to you. That's all.
Again you express your opinions as fact. Critics can be anyone - me, you or my mother. The opinion of professional critics are no truer than mine or yours - they just play the game and tell us what it is like before we hand over our hard earned cash. A lot of times they get it wrong (Doom3 anyone?)
Your other points are also garbage - "professional" critics here in the UK are semi-divided over EQ2/WOW, although it is noticable that the magazines that traditionally have been very weak with regard to MMOs (e.g. PCGamer) put forward your arguments, while those that typically have a much deeper understanding of MMOs (e.g. PCZone) say that they are pretty much the same.
The rest of your post is just a terribly confused argument. McDonalds is the most popular restaurant in the world - it isn't the best. The Sun is the most popular newspaper here in the UK - it most certainly is not the best. Your arguments remain terribly confused and very ineffecftive.
The difference is that its a critics proffesion to judge games, and there is simply no way to get around that. They simply know more about video games then the average gamer who works from 8 to 5 and plays video games a few hours a day.McDonalds may not be the best restaurant in the world, it certainly is the best fast food restaurant in the world. Because thats what MCdonalds is, a fast food restaurant.
I don't know about any newspapers in the UK, so I'm not going into that one
Critics are paid by company to review games, and said companys are paid by other companys to give them good reviews, sorry to say but anything a "critic" says or prints is slanted to the way their own company want or there own opinion dictates, I have seen GREAT movies that the Critics say are trash, I have played GREAT games that the all godly Critics say are trash, Critics are not now nor ever will be Experts on anything, I will read a Game Blog site before I go with what the Critics say.
In my book the only thing lower than a *professional Critic* is an Advertising Manager, they will say anything to sell their brand of Crap.
Oh on the actual question EQ2 or WoW both are good games but I got bored of WoW quickly so I would say EQ2.
to close, the only opinion you should really worry about is your own, it called thinking for yourself, forming your own opinion think for yourself, then worry about what the (experts ) say.
This is not a flame this is just one Critics opinion.
oh yay, lets put on the tin foil helmet, conspiracies everywhere! I'm sure you have evidence to back up the claim that critics are corrupt?
I find it quite amazing that you put so much faith into your beloved critics. They are reviewers - no more no less. Just because e.g. a film critic says that they prefer one film to another, does not mean that the film is better. Otherwise we would all have the same favourite film (as in your universe) and life would be very boring indeed. Their opinions are not fact.
I find it quote depressing there are people such as yourself who have so little confidence in their own opinions that they have to browse to some website to be told what to think. Try to think for yourself.... Try a game - you may agree with your heroic critics, you may not. But form your own opinion.
I agree WoW is good for a gamer because it is aimed for the average player and mmo newbie. Eq2 is more for people that are fans of the genre. Also WoW probably has around 2-3 million unique players.
so...
Spiderman > Godfather.
Titanic on release was the best movie ever made.
Halo 3 is supposed to make more money then anything in entertainment history that means
Halo 3 is going to be the best game of all time, better then monkey island and fallout, better then your precious wow. It will also be better then any movie ever released, better then any book ever written, better then any play ever... played.
This is what I believe you are saying.
If I read this post wrong please tell me.
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and you better care
wow ruined gaming just horrible yeah just because every 8 year old plays it doesnt make it the best rpg ever....honestly wouldnt waste a hour on it myself...
And im not praising eq2 either i just dont think there is a best game out right now because of the simple fact after you spend hundreds of hours on a game it becomes just like anything other game boring...wow makes millions in a month and the best they could come up with for new content in game was a flying mount everyone paided 40 bucks for a flying mount congrats 2 years in heres your flying mount big dam deal..
Everyone has there favorite game and to date after 26 years of playing computer games i still find myself going for more single player off line games then online i still go back and play ultima 4 and 5....and i do alot of beta game testing 6 years of that so far nothing has caught my interest....
I have high hopes on aoc but just like i said might get bored after a month with it..
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wow appeals to people cause its so easy to play , i mean ya click a target and ya mash buttons , i played a friends account who's class was something i never tried before in pretty much every mmo , it was a shaman ,now it was my friend time playing , i did duals outside and Bg's with him for 2 days and i was pretty good , only died a few times in bg's and lost 3 duals , i was able to look at what spells i had read what they did and use them , tho the things ya lay on the ground confused me alot but i got use out of them
I agree WoW is good for a gamer because it is aimed for the average player and mmo newbie. Eq2 is more for people that are fans of the genre. Also WoW probably has around 2-3 million unique players.
so...
Spiderman > Godfather.
Titanic on release was the best movie ever made.
Halo 3 is supposed to make more money then anything in entertainment history that means
Halo 3 is going to be the best game of all time, better then monkey island and fallout, better then your precious wow. It will also be better then any movie ever released, better then any book ever written, better then any play ever... played.
This is what I believe you are saying.
If I read this post wrong please tell me.
First the movies. I'm unaware how many people actually watched those movies. Spiderman and the godfather were released in different times in a different economy. But aside from that, just like the titanic, they are completely different movies made for a completely different audience. Everquest 2 and WoW are not, they are made for the same audience. Same thing with Halo 3, its made for a complete different audience. Halo 3 is build for a FPS audience, and audience that is much, much bigger then say, for example, an RPG audience.
I agree WoW is good for a gamer because it is aimed for the average player and mmo newbie. Eq2 is more for people that are fans of the genre. Also WoW probably has around 2-3 million unique players.
so...
Spiderman > Godfather.
Titanic on release was the best movie ever made.
Halo 3 is supposed to make more money then anything in entertainment history that means
Halo 3 is going to be the best game of all time, better then monkey island and fallout, better then your precious wow. It will also be better then any movie ever released, better then any book ever written, better then any play ever... played.
This is what I believe you are saying.
If I read this post wrong please tell me.
I liked The Godfather more, and since I can find a handful of published opinions that agree with me, it "proves" that The Godfather is "better" than Spiderman and that my opinion is actually fact.I also refuse to define "better" except to point out that it clearly doesn't mean "a more enjoyable film," unless I want it to mean that, in which case it does. And if you don't agree with me, you clearly are not impressed by big numbers, so here's a bigger one: Eleventy Billion. See? The Godfather is the best movie ever made. I rest my case.
this has really ended up in a pokemon vs Hayao Miyazaki movies disucssion..
just because both movies is cartoon, and aim for cartoon movie audience, dosnt mean it aim for the same part of the audience..
it is always the products made for KIDS, that will stand out.. because most of the charts is based on products mostly only kids buy..
adults can think for themselfs, what they like and dislike... many kids want stuff just because everyone else got it. and parants buy it to them..
as example we can take music.. the chart lists is based on Single. the recording company buy some of them back themselfs to make the track get up on the list so it can be played on radio, something that makes these kids go and buy this single.. if you ask some of the music producers if they like there music, they most likely gonna tell you.. My music is crap, i dont understand why people buy this stuff.. but they do it for the money, and make primitive music for primitive people..
and the quility music will never come out on single.. something that means it would not be taken into consideration..
if your company got enough money and use most of the money on marketing/promotions.. you can sell everything you want, and people will belive the lies and buy it, and not long after everyone buys it because everyone else does it..
just like water you get in the shop, its the same water you get for free.. only difference is that it has a lable.. and people really think labels makes something better
Personally I play MMOs for myself, not for a guild. A guild is a means to make my character "better" while providing a social element.