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Has the McQuaid cult died out now?
Agricola1
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Before January of this year there was a powerful cult that had been growiung and gathering momentum for many years. Many of us believed this cult to be evil and many members were suspected of practicing bizzare rituals where various livestock were used as sacrifice to their malevolent God. Yes it was the "Cult of McQuaid" and the followers were known as "Vanbois", although the cult seems to have died there are still some Vanbois here an there lurking on the forums. It seems to me that although Vanbois exist they have foresaken their diety Brad, but for who?
So can anyone answer me, if they have foresaken their previous deity who is their new object of praise? Or do they still praise McQuaid today?
I personally am a member of the "Cult of Koster" and club baby seals to death in his honour every Sunday!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
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A'ia Hydra, A'ia Dagon, A'ia Mcquaid Cthulhu Fh'tagn!
REALITY CHECK
I think about half of them moved to AoC forums and the rest are still playing "teh Vision".
Right now no one will even admit to knowing Brad McQuaid.... much less being in his cult....
But don't be surprised if he doesn't resurrect somewhere.... he does have some good ideas for games, just doesn't manage their development effectively.....
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That was a powerfully annoying cult indeed. But I think it would be more accurate to describe them as EQ1 relics than as 'vanbois' or whatever. The people who thought they were going to get another EQ1 were given Vanguard and I think that crushed thier spirit.
Good ridance to bad people.
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I know I moved on. I was definatly a "Vanbois." LOL I was wrong on this one. I just wanted to choke McQuaid upon the release of the final product and yell in his face "Graphics ain't everything!" What an insult to us MMO gamers....
Agricola, may I ask for you to clarify what you define as "cult" here?
I see cult as meaning a force of belief that takes away your personal strength of freedom of thought. Now, just my definition here, but it would be fascinating to gain some understanding of how you see a game developer as some sort of leader of a mind altering cult.
Waiting your response on this accusation...with some interest...
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
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Agricola, may I ask for you to clarify what you define as "cult" here?
I see cult as meaning a force of belief that takes away your personal strength of freedom of thought. Now, just my definition here, but it would be fascinating to gain some understanding of how you see a game developer as some sort of leader of a mind altering cult.
Waiting your response on this accusation...with some interest...
I personally see a cult as a religous form of belief no different from any other religion. However a cult will have alot less worshippers than any state sanctioned religion, the belifs will be "fringe" beliefs but the followers will all be feverent. One further difference is that a cult will usually have a single personality (usually a man over 35) that controls the followers. He/she is normally the direct link to whatever it is they worship or is the or a deity. So if it fits passes those three tests I personally consider it a cult, when I say "Fringe" beliefs I'm talking about stuff that common sense tells the average village idiot is total BS.
1: People seemed to religously follow the word of Brad as Gospel truth (The Vision)
2: The followers were most feverent in defending Brad and his Vision, which seemed like it was a fringe belief at best (it was in my opinion after looking at all the facts anyway).
3: Brad was the male in his 30s (even had the beard and evil smile) who was the direct link to what they worshipped (the vision) though many worshipped him directly.
Then it all went up in flames (pun intended) and he left his followers to burn, which is a corny but classic ending in the case of American cults anyway. I hope this has helped answer your question, now if I can just catch this seal for Kosterday.... erm I mean Sunday.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Somehow I just do not see any cartoon gaming developer as some type of messiah. Nor, do I see any MMO on the market as powerful enough to be considered as religion.
Flawed thinking. Or, maybe you were simply making a joke. If not, well then maybe someone takes this a bit too seriously. Time to pull back from the computer and make actual human contact in the real world I should think. It could actually be very refreshing for you. Find a little trust and compassion, that should go far in easing your conspiracy fear.
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Just gimme some truth
John Lennon
And Agricola, your Avatar looks like a cult figure, or even worse, a vanboi!
I suppose the thought on some people's mind is, will McQuaid rise again?
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And Agricola, your Avatar looks like a cult figure, or even worse, a vanboi!
My avatar is Gary Numan and his followers are known as "Numanoids", this is an actual cult in real life that has lasted for 27 years now. McQuaid only ever aspired to hold the same power that Gary Numan wields and uses to lay waste to his enemys, MUAH HAH HAH!
Alyndale, thou speaketh HERESY! Soon the few Vanbois that remain shall be gathering at your door and if McQuaid is still in control he'll send his arbitor (Jeff "The lady killer" Butler) to bring back your broken body. The only thing that can save you from the foulness and bitter hatred of the betrayed Vanbois would be to buy a Gary Numan CD, I reccomend "Living Ornaments" or for a more modern album try "Pure".
I also hear the reason VG wasn't finish is because Brad was using money from MS not to create an MMORPG, but to build a time machine. In fact according to rumours he used it and ended up inspiring the movie "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom". He went 200 years back in time after Jeff attempted a mutiny and inspired that scene where you see that priest rip out that blokes burning heart. After putting down the mutiny he took several DEVs from the Q&A department tied them down infront of Jeff and all the SIGIL staff and tore out their hearts and presented them to the other DEVS. This was witnessed by some Thugee in India (the time and place he took them all back too) and inturn inspired the movie. The difference being that instead of screaming Kali they shouted "Telon" and there were no "Shanka stones" more a lack of stones on Brads part.
Some people say I'm crazy, I'm just lucky Gary Numan keeps me sane with his telepathic messages everyday.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
I don't find the OP funny, and saw it more as an attack on a person by someone that has demonstrated a dislike of VG.
I find it sad that someone would make a thead like this, and that a thread like this is allowed.
Wish Darkfall would release.
Well i like to think of McQuaid as Tony Blair.
Fact is like Blair he started off very nicely with EQ1 which changed the face of mmorpg.
But like Tony Blair who in his last 4 years made blunders after blunders ,McQuaid also made a blunder.
And like Blair ,I would not like to see McQuaid in chage of any other mmorpg because i think he is past his glory days ,but i will remember him for his greatness as well as his mistakes(like Blair
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I am going to agree with you. The thread is an attack on people that like Brad McQuaid. It is not an attack on the game. It is not focused on Brad McQuaid. It is not even about Vanguard. It is about people who might admire Brad McQuaid. It is not funny or appropriate.
Boycott EA Games. RIP Sim City.
I was a hardcore Vanbois back in january. Anticipated the game's launch even bought 2 VANGUARD GUILD edition for $99 each. Never again shall I worship mcquaid and his future " vision" I will not touch a mmo that has his name written on it. I and my guildies poured oil on the vanguard game boxes and alone with the cd's and burned them.
True Story.
I am going to agree with you. The thread is an attack on people that like Brad McQuaid. It is not an attack on the game. It is not focused on Brad McQuaid. It is not even about Vanguard. It is about people who might admire Brad McQuaid. It is not funny or appropriate.
apparently the cult is still going... just not as strong
I still like the guy.*
I still would consider strongly a game he mades, even if he definitely need someone else with him...someone to harness him and bring him back on earth.
See, back in EQ, if the guy went raving on something, there was peoples to bring him back on Earth, Smed or others. In Vanguard basically, nobody would stand and make him back off on something to unpopular.
Despite all his flaws, he understand some stuff most peoples don't. He just can't be let alone running like a madman in Oasis, cause he really needs some barrier, some control. The guy is a dreamer.
That's been said, if he does even hint, think, consider putting some more raiding, I would run away and check other stuff. I spent enough time trying to make him understand this point, to no avail.
*: I always did bash raiding, never the father of raiding itself. I am pretty sure it is easy to slip, and maybe I even slip my wording in the past, although I doubt it, see my ego is strong!
Adding raiding, the idea behint it, it was genius. The way it is done, at the expense of grouping, has been tried and proven to be a mistake, a failure. Not all genius ideas work.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
For some reason I had the mental picture of McQuaid sitting in his Porsche at a red light reading this thread on his Blackberry and laughing his ass off. In other words you probably care more than he does, He has George and Ben And Abe to keep him company.
I miss DAoC
Probably!
Or maybe he cries because he would have wanted to succeed better.
Or maybe a little of both.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
I am going to agree with you. The thread is an attack on people that like Brad McQuaid. It is not an attack on the game. It is not focused on Brad McQuaid. It is not even about Vanguard. It is about people who might admire Brad McQuaid. It is not funny or appropriate.
apparently the cult is still going... just not as strong
I never gave my opinion of the man, or the people that like him.What I gave was my opinion of creating a thread that attacks an individual or a group of individuals. Wich oddly enough is supposed to be against the rules around here.
But then you've haven't exactly demonstrated tolerance towards people that enjoy a game you don't; so I'm not suprised that you express the same mindset as the OP.
Wish Darkfall would release.
This is the price of fame.
Can you name me 3 Lead Designer from memory?
However, I am pretty sure that on this forum, Brad McQuaid is arguably the most known individual, before Bush himself.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
You forgot to add beloved and misunderstood in there as well since you are comparing the two
What a moronic post. Adding no value whatsoever. Some people try and succeed, some people try and fail, some do neither and are just a general waste of space. If it wasn't for Mr McQuaid and some and his peers then the current Industry would not be pushing the boundaries which is important...
I for one was not dissapointed with the Vanguard concept, but was with it's implementation but I guess our mutual friend has learn't a lot from his defficiencies or at least his backers.
It always surprises me how quick people are to judge and gloat with hindsight... shame on you.
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I dont know much about the man. I dont care about EQI. One thing I read* is that he wasn't on the car park when his employees were fired. He didnt keep them in the loop or informed so they can make informed choices about their futures. This is the *worst* thing an employer can do.
For this I hope he never leads development again. As for game designing. Well VG is great but the worlds moved on since EQ... so I guess his CV gonan look bit sparse recently.
* the reading being of reliable sources.
Their are a lot more people at fault than Mr M, but I guess the blinkers are on when they suit.
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