You can have some fun as a pirate PvPer doing small gangs - but the bulk of this game is fun only for the players who have either been there since the start, and are now well connected and/or wealthy, or who have socialized their way into being well connected and/or wealthy.
For those who like to go it alone, or with a small group of friends, and who aren't interested in the big scene - you'll likely get bored pretty quickly. You're still impacting the overall economy and evolving your character, and the game mechanics are generally quite cool... but that doesn't make up for stale gameplay if you like being a loner.
Well I played EVE for a really solid month or two, and really enjoyed the game. I loved its complexity, the community was fantastic, and I had a good time playing. However, it got to a point (fairly quickly) where I felt like all I was doing was running rat missions or mining for ISK to get a better mining barge to get more ISK to get a beefier ship ......... for what? Never really saw what there was to do after that .... Any ideas on why I got bored?
I don't think Eve is that complex. I think you saw the trees in the forest for what they are.....
You got bored because you're not interested in playing the rat race game and the cheese at the end of the tunnel wasn't worth it.....
========================== The game is dead not, this game is good we make it and Romania Tv give it 5 goat heads, this is good rating for game.
Well I played EVE for a really solid month or two, and really enjoyed the game. I loved its complexity, the community was fantastic, and I had a good time playing. However, it got to a point (fairly quickly) where I felt like all I was doing was running rat missions or mining for ISK to get a better mining barge to get more ISK to get a beefier ship ......... for what? Never really saw what there was to do after that .... Any ideas on why I got bored?
I would like to say there is more than that and even in a corp. ... But really theres not... There more to do pvp fight etc. but you ships stays the same you use gun (which work about the same or missles and you armor or shield tank ) You'll use most of the same mods.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Originally posted by Aesper Well I played EVE for a really solid month or two, and really enjoyed the game. I loved its complexity, the community was fantastic, and I had a good time playing. However, it got to a point (fairly quickly) where I felt like all I was doing was running rat missions or mining for ISK to get a better mining barge to get more ISK to get a beefier ship ......... for what? Never really saw what there was to do after that .... Any ideas on why I got bored?
Yes, you didn't realize, or nobody told you, that getting ISK is only gives you the means to have fun, and is not the fun itself.
------------------------------------------------------ Originally posted by Mandolin
Designers need to move away from the old D&D level-based model which was never designed for player vs player combat in the first place.
Well I played EVE for a really solid month or two, and really enjoyed the game. I loved its complexity, the community was fantastic, and I had a good time playing. However, it got to a point (fairly quickly) where I felt like all I was doing was running rat missions or mining for ISK to get a better mining barge to get more ISK to get a beefier ship ......... for what? Never really saw what there was to do after that .... Any ideas on why I got bored?
I don't think Eve is that complex. I think you saw the trees in the forest for what they are.....
You got bored because you're not interested in playing the rat race game and the cheese at the end of the tunnel wasn't worth it.....
Wow, that's a troll post if I ever saw one. Here's my two cents: I've been doing the trial for about a week and I still don't know if I want to commit to the game. But that being said I think it is a great game and it has an extraordinary amount of depth. Not that complex? What the hell are you thinking? The game has a ridiculous amount of skills, ships, ship upgrades, etc. It's almost TOO much. Very overwhelming at first. After a couple of days a few things clicked and I'm having a blast. What I also realized is like everyone says, the game is what you make of it. It's very rare that you have a game that let's you flesh out your character exactly the way you want. Personally I know that as a new player I'm never going to catch up to some of the veterans. But if I'm having fun on a day to day basis playing the game, then I'm getting what I need out of it. Right now I'm having a great time in high sec just going out and mining, running low level missions, getting used to the game. I'm sure I won't languish there forever, but for now it's great.
I played for 1.5 years and had lots of fun. Its really a good game that offers just about everything to any playstyle in existance.
I left because of the evidence of game mismanagement. However minimal or extream it may be, it still happened and I made a simple decision to move on until proof that the ship was righted. I have since found many other cool games and see EvE as just another one.
Its really not heathy to stick around any of these games for too long anyways.
What is there to say, EVE is an amazing game, and yet it is not the game for everyone. No Different to how many players will say " Seven million player can't be wrong" and only have the other side respond " World of Whiners "
Bottom line is EVE is a game of player interaction with the other players, kinda of like having all players in the same raid. the actions of 1 affect all. here is what I mean. EVE is the 'Survivor' of reality TV in where you whole game plan is to out wit, out last, out play everyone else. only rather than a 8 member group / party or 40 member raid it's EVERYONE in the game.
Many players feel the mission runnng, and ratting ( both of which are NPC based, or Player vs Environment) is nothing more than a safty net for you to keep at the game when you loose everything else, and it is stale and featureless or the so called MMO GRIND. Where as many others feel this is the game they wish to play. Lvl 1 missions then move up to harder lvl 2's, and again to lvl 3's. Can you solo 30-40 aggro'd NPC's bent on your destruction in the lvl 4's? and now even lvl 5 difficulty.
Yet again here we have a small slice of the player vs player element of EVE one side wants to run missions in highly powerfull ships, and others want to take them on.
The market is annother aspect. In other MMo's can you buy up EVERY single 1 handed sword of godly power, and shove em in your wagon to travel 10, 15, 20 miles / citys over to sell at a proffit while avoiding pirates and bandits along the way? Go to the right town and sell for rich gain or others and be broke. In EVE there are no NPC vendors everything bought by players is supplied by players. Right there is more player vs player interaction. Buy low sell high.. undercut your compettitor to sell your goods, or buy up all theirs and reprice at your price point to preserve proffits.
Many plaers are looking at the upcomming Star Trek MMO under development, well the market in EVE is a Ferengi's wet dream. Crafters and industrialists have it all in EVE as Everything needed by players is craftable by players. Sure there is loot drops, but crafted items are much better with effort put into production by the crafter.
Eve has politics as well, become CEO of a corp ( EVE's guilds ) and compete against others in corp wars, or team up for co-ops to keep an area of space safe for your peoples. Bribe pirates or hire Mercs to harass your competition. Can you Bribe Goblins to Attack the Elves so your trade lanes to Dwarf cities remain undisturbed?
Like I said EVE is a game, but it's not the game for everyone. Some people like the little yellow ribbon that takes them from the pub of jobs to the rat lair where they slay 500 to get to the shiney. EVE let's you work for the shiny, farm for the shiney, build the shiney, defend the shiney, or kill and steal it.
Mankind is not limited by imagination, but the courage to reach....
Hmmm... Part of me is constantly wanting to come back to this game... .and I've been tempted, on a few occasions, to do just that. But then one of two things always happens:
1. I get in-game, and am (or at least was - not sure if I've been kicked due to inactivity yet or not) part of a Corp/Ally that seems to be at war fairly regularly, so no lack of action there. However... it lends to #2...
2. I don't know if it's supposed to be this way, but Eve feels to me after a while like a spectator's game. I don't feel like I'm actively involved in my character's development, in real-time. It's like, choose a skill to train and... find something else to do in the meantime. The trouble with that is, everything I want to do at this point is requiring me to enter lower sec. space and, on several occasions, because my Corp/Ally was at war, I was getting destroyed while en-route. I don't have tons of money to replace ships when they're destroyed and so, I felt like I had no choice but to sit in one spot, or only stick to high-sec space so I wouldn't have to worry about having to replace another destroyed ship with money I don't have.
So, over time, feeling like all I can do is twiddle my thumbs and wait for my skills to train, Eve starts to feel like a spectator's game. Like I said above, I hardly feel like I'm actively involved in the game at all. I get bored and cancel the account.
Still... I know there's alot of depth there and there's alot to do.. I'm just not sure what it takes to be able to *do* it.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
You know you just might be right....But why waste money on Eve when you can get more fun from one of the many Halo servers?
I been out of Eve for a month....dont miss it at all. Not one little bit. Dont miss the drone regions, dont miss the constant wars....or the constant gate camps/camp busting. And I dont miss hours in a belt trying to replace what I lost in the last PvP encounter.
Interestingly enough "getting a beefier ship" quite simply isnt all that necessary in EVE-at least not in the traditional MMO sense. People come to EVE and see "Battleship" and figure all roads lead to moving directly toward battleship as soon as possible. Gotta upgrade, upgrade, upgrade. This is patently untrue in EVE. Many players get off the upgrade ship treadmill and chose a class of ships they enjoy and just go deeper and deeper into that particular skill set. For example there are interceptor pilots in my alliance that pretty much fly 100% intys, cov ops etc. Theyve focused nearly all of thier skill points on small guns, navigation skills, targeting skills, etc. etc. All designed to make them the best inty pilots in EVE. We have some traders that can barely undock a ship yet they have 7 million trading skill points. We have some combat pilots that focus 100% on recons, or 100% on battleships etc etc. There is no doubt as you stay in the game longer and get more and more skillpoints that the option to fly more ships presents itself. But to start EVE and immediately place your self on a treadmill toward bigger bigger bigger ships is the best way to wind up hating the game. Get to destroyers, or cruisers, or battlecruiers and then stop. Look at your skills that you use to fly those ships and go deeper and deeper into them. Focus on the guns, navigation, drones, armor repping etc. You can run level 3 missions in a well fitted cruiser. Level 3's with ease in a battlecruiser. You can be an effective PVP pilot in virutally anything once you learn your role. There is no compelling reason to grind isk just to get bigger ships. There is a compelling reason to grind isk for modules/gear etc..being rich in EVE has its benefits. Also i would suggest going to the eve-online.com forums and viewing all the forums. There are so many careers you can have in eve. All these careers of course are self defined and you can mix and match them.
Quickly they are : traditional miner, moon miner, tech2 components trader, trader, builder, inventor, pirate, anti pirate, foot solider in a major alliance, fleet commander in a major alliance, mission runner, roleplayer, explorer/complex runner, there are of course a million sub categories and probably many ive just overlooked. in pvp you can be a tackler, an electronics warfare specialist, a scout using cov ops, a recon pilot, a prober, a heavy battleship pilot, a supporting gun ship pilot, and many other roles. You can use your pvp skills to build a region as an alliance member, to fight major alliance battles, or to pirate and stalk innocents. There is no end to the paths. Sorry you burned out a bit...consider your time in EVE, try and throw out the traditional MMO treadmill mentality, identify the parts of EVE you enjoyed and then come back! oh...and do get in a corp/alliance. Spend time in the recruitment channel and on the recruitment forums. There are many many options available. Amarr Victor
Good post. I started out on the treadmill that you described and then realized by the time I got to battlecruisers that I couldn't equip any of my ships worth a damn and they weren't useful for much more than basic mission grinding. I spent the next few months concentrating on fitting, gunnery, and support skills and expanding into assault frigates, interceptors, and covert ops. As a result I can pretty much arm these smaller ships to the teeth now and use them in a variety of roles. I finally learned the battleship skill just recently but still haven't bothered to buy one yet because I'm still having fun in the smaller ships. I'll eventually move on to the bigger ships but by then I'll have the skills to be more than just an easy kill.
You know you just might be right....But why waste money on Eve when you can get more fun from one of the many Halo servers?
I been out of Eve for a month....dont miss it at all. Not one little bit. Dont miss the drone regions, dont miss the constant wars....or the constant gate camps/camp busting. And I dont miss hours in a belt trying to replace what I lost in the last PvP encounter.
politics, the benefit of a death penalty
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You? if I were to kill a titan tomorrow and no CCP employees showed up to say grats I would petition it. Waiting for: the next MMO that lets me make this macro if hp < 30 then CastSpell("heal") SpellTargetUnit("player") else CastSpell("smite") end
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This is about as true as statements come.
You can have some fun as a pirate PvPer doing small gangs - but the bulk of this game is fun only for the players who have either been there since the start, and are now well connected and/or wealthy, or who have socialized their way into being well connected and/or wealthy.
For those who like to go it alone, or with a small group of friends, and who aren't interested in the big scene - you'll likely get bored pretty quickly. You're still impacting the overall economy and evolving your character, and the game mechanics are generally quite cool... but that doesn't make up for stale gameplay if you like being a loner.
You got bored because you're not interested in playing the rat race game and the cheese at the end of the tunnel wasn't worth it.....
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The game is dead not, this game is good we make it and Romania Tv give it 5 goat heads, this is good rating for game.
try to join an pvp corp... then you never bored
I would like to say there is more than that and even in a corp. ... But really theres not... There more to do pvp fight etc. but you ships stays the same you use gun (which work about the same or missles and you armor or shield tank ) You'll use most of the same mods.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Yes, you didn't realize, or nobody told you, that getting ISK is only gives you the means to have fun, and is not the fun itself.
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Originally posted by Mandolin
Designers need to move away from the old D&D level-based model which was never designed for player vs player combat in the first place.
You got bored because you're not interested in playing the rat race game and the cheese at the end of the tunnel wasn't worth it.....
Wow, that's a troll post if I ever saw one. Here's my two cents: I've been doing the trial for about a week and I still don't know if I want to commit to the game. But that being said I think it is a great game and it has an extraordinary amount of depth. Not that complex? What the hell are you thinking? The game has a ridiculous amount of skills, ships, ship upgrades, etc. It's almost TOO much. Very overwhelming at first. After a couple of days a few things clicked and I'm having a blast. What I also realized is like everyone says, the game is what you make of it. It's very rare that you have a game that let's you flesh out your character exactly the way you want. Personally I know that as a new player I'm never going to catch up to some of the veterans. But if I'm having fun on a day to day basis playing the game, then I'm getting what I need out of it. Right now I'm having a great time in high sec just going out and mining, running low level missions, getting used to the game. I'm sure I won't languish there forever, but for now it's great.
I played for 1.5 years and had lots of fun. Its really a good game that offers just about everything to any playstyle in existance.
I left because of the evidence of game mismanagement. However minimal or extream it may be, it still happened and I made a simple decision to move on until proof that the ship was righted. I have since found many other cool games and see EvE as just another one.
Its really not heathy to stick around any of these games for too long anyways.
What is there to say, EVE is an amazing game, and yet it is not the game for everyone. No Different to how many players will say " Seven million player can't be wrong" and only have the other side respond " World of Whiners "
Bottom line is EVE is a game of player interaction with the other players, kinda of like having all players in the same raid. the actions of 1 affect all. here is what I mean. EVE is the 'Survivor' of reality TV in where you whole game plan is to out wit, out last, out play everyone else. only rather than a 8 member group / party or 40 member raid it's EVERYONE in the game.
Many players feel the mission runnng, and ratting ( both of which are NPC based, or Player vs Environment) is nothing more than a safty net for you to keep at the game when you loose everything else, and it is stale and featureless or the so called MMO GRIND. Where as many others feel this is the game they wish to play. Lvl 1 missions then move up to harder lvl 2's, and again to lvl 3's. Can you solo 30-40 aggro'd NPC's bent on your destruction in the lvl 4's? and now even lvl 5 difficulty.
Yet again here we have a small slice of the player vs player element of EVE one side wants to run missions in highly powerfull ships, and others want to take them on.
The market is annother aspect. In other MMo's can you buy up EVERY single 1 handed sword of godly power, and shove em in your wagon to travel 10, 15, 20 miles / citys over to sell at a proffit while avoiding pirates and bandits along the way? Go to the right town and sell for rich gain or others and be broke. In EVE there are no NPC vendors everything bought by players is supplied by players. Right there is more player vs player interaction. Buy low sell high.. undercut your compettitor to sell your goods, or buy up all theirs and reprice at your price point to preserve proffits.
Many plaers are looking at the upcomming Star Trek MMO under development, well the market in EVE is a Ferengi's wet dream. Crafters and industrialists have it all in EVE as Everything needed by players is craftable by players. Sure there is loot drops, but crafted items are much better with effort put into production by the crafter.
Eve has politics as well, become CEO of a corp ( EVE's guilds ) and compete against others in corp wars, or team up for co-ops to keep an area of space safe for your peoples. Bribe pirates or hire Mercs to harass your competition. Can you Bribe Goblins to Attack the Elves so your trade lanes to Dwarf cities remain undisturbed?
Like I said EVE is a game, but it's not the game for everyone. Some people like the little yellow ribbon that takes them from the pub of jobs to the rat lair where they slay 500 to get to the shiney. EVE let's you work for the shiny, farm for the shiney, build the shiney, defend the shiney, or kill and steal it.
Mankind is not limited by imagination, but the courage to reach....
O mama what shall I start
Taram got alot of the basic stuff
I always started mmorpgs as a "roleplayer" I have incredible much fun
Basic in EvE is to gain isk and power togheter with other friends in alliances and corporations
I may not miss EVE on my vaccation but I do sure miss my friends in EVE.
I been playing and been employeed by the mmorpg industri for a long time and I got a more
wide social life then the ordinary people who aint in mmorpgs/playing.
make a loong story short:
start to talk to other people in local. make friends maybe you as a group make a corp
or you as a group join a corp.
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Hmmm... Part of me is constantly wanting to come back to this game... .and I've been tempted, on a few occasions, to do just that. But then one of two things always happens:
1. I get in-game, and am (or at least was - not sure if I've been kicked due to inactivity yet or not) part of a Corp/Ally that seems to be at war fairly regularly, so no lack of action there. However... it lends to #2...
2. I don't know if it's supposed to be this way, but Eve feels to me after a while like a spectator's game. I don't feel like I'm actively involved in my character's development, in real-time. It's like, choose a skill to train and... find something else to do in the meantime. The trouble with that is, everything I want to do at this point is requiring me to enter lower sec. space and, on several occasions, because my Corp/Ally was at war, I was getting destroyed while en-route. I don't have tons of money to replace ships when they're destroyed and so, I felt like I had no choice but to sit in one spot, or only stick to high-sec space so I wouldn't have to worry about having to replace another destroyed ship with money I don't have.
So, over time, feeling like all I can do is twiddle my thumbs and wait for my skills to train, Eve starts to feel like a spectator's game. Like I said above, I hardly feel like I'm actively involved in the game at all. I get bored and cancel the account.
Still... I know there's alot of depth there and there's alot to do.. I'm just not sure what it takes to be able to *do* it.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I been out of Eve for a month....dont miss it at all. Not one little bit. Dont miss the drone regions, dont miss the constant wars....or the constant gate camps/camp busting. And I dont miss hours in a belt trying to replace what I lost in the last PvP encounter.
Good post. I started out on the treadmill that you described and then realized by the time I got to battlecruisers that I couldn't equip any of my ships worth a damn and they weren't useful for much more than basic mission grinding. I spent the next few months concentrating on fitting, gunnery, and support skills and expanding into assault frigates, interceptors, and covert ops. As a result I can pretty much arm these smaller ships to the teeth now and use them in a variety of roles. I finally learned the battleship skill just recently but still haven't bothered to buy one yet because I'm still having fun in the smaller ships. I'll eventually move on to the bigger ships but by then I'll have the skills to be more than just an easy kill.
I been out of Eve for a month....dont miss it at all. Not one little bit. Dont miss the drone regions, dont miss the constant wars....or the constant gate camps/camp busting. And I dont miss hours in a belt trying to replace what I lost in the last PvP encounter.
politics, the benefit of a death penalty
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
if I were to kill a titan tomorrow and no CCP employees showed up to say grats I would petition it.
Waiting for: the next MMO that lets me make this macro
if hp < 30 then CastSpell("heal") SpellTargetUnit("player") else CastSpell("smite") end