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how many people are mad that EQ has maps now?
Swiftblade13
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I havent played EQ in years, but I logged on for free six months back and couldnt believe maps were added!!! What happened to sense heading and landmarks! This is horrible!
What other mechanics have changed? Please tell me you still have to do full corpse runs or I'll cry?
I wont play EQ1 again because I'm shallow.. I like my games to be pretty and have up to date graphics.. EQ is just way too dated for me but I want a new game that has EQ1 classic mechanics so bad I can taste it.
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I believe corpses don't decay anymore. They just simply goto another zone after some time, and you just pick it up there.
There are many changes, to many for me to list out, many more that I'm prolly not aware of...
Maps! SoE still doesn't provide complete world maps and even the ones they do provide, tend to be slightly vague. But yes, they do provide some maps.
CR's. Well, not really. Corpses won't melt. The corpse timer still counts down, however, now, when it expires, your corpse pops into a new zone - Shadowrest.
That assumes you didn't summon it to the guild lobby...
or use that AA expedient recovery...
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I never played EQ, but I played its twin brother Dark Age of Camelot, and I was pissed when they released maps. Us classic MMOers are a dying breed.
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you wont ever see a eq1 again , sadly it was done in an age and time when things were cheap, people were bored, and folks had no clue about what happend after you played 60 levels , how you felt after realizing in the end your char you worked so hard for faded from memory friends moved on to oplaces unknown and new games came that stole your games thunder.
eq wasnt a game to me it was a place,a journey to a distant place that felt all too real at times, but after playing for 5 yrs and seeing things change without as much as even a vote from the commubity i now realise the bottom doller is all that truely matters to folks in charge.
and with that beibng said thats why there will never be a old school mmo it wont make money like ezmode mmo and truthfully many folks scream forn old school mmo but would never have the time to invest in one and prolly wouldnt last in one long , my point look at eq2 they bowed to everyone and made it so there was no twinking no pling no anything really that could be looked at as cheating the ways that were done in eq 1 and noone played it they had to totally change the mechanics in order to get folks to come back.
a wise man once said in eq one forums that folks honsetly dont know what they truely want anymore and i have to say i agree.
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Well it's still a stiffer penalty than most games when you die. You do have to make corpse runs from whatever zone you are bound in rather than running back from a few yards away as a ghost like in WoW for example. There is an exp loss, not as much as it used to be but still annoying. You can still "de-level" from a death. You can use the veteran AA to reclaim your corpse with no exp loss but only once a week (real time), so it's not like you can run around and not worry about dying. The transfer of your corpse to Shadowrest takes a couple of days, and you still lose the exp you lost when you died. They just made it so you don't have an unrecoverable corpse anymore like could happen in the old days.
The maps that actually come with the game are rather vague, as the poster above said. If you never go to somewhere like EQToolbox and download the detailed maps you get just a general view of the area. The game is definitely easier, but you can still play it the old way if you want to for the most part:.
Oh ya, I for one just loved riding the boats from GF to Freeport banging away on my superfluous Sense Heading button.
Maps I can see being of use getting to raids, but I for one was a zone border wall-crawler. As a cleric I rarely had SoW, INvis, or anything else tog et through high-level areas safely. A map mighta helped once in a while, but it certainly wouldn't have been any kind of spoiler.
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I fail to see why all games are being dumbed down..
Well, no, I know why, but I don't like it..
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It all sucked.
Wait wha huh? when was that announced?
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I think EQ is better than ever, I still play, not as often as I would like due to school, BUT, it still has all that is ever had to offer and more! I hope EQ stays around for along time still!
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Are you forced to use the maps? I haven't played EQ1, but if it's like most MMOs, if you don't want or like a map, don't open it. Problem solved.
Delete your map file, voila.
i would hardly called DAoC EQs twin brother. but i liked both of them for what they were
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The keyword there is CLASSIC (meaning old). EQ didnt not have maps because they thought it would be a good idea. It didnt have maps because it hadnt been suggested as a good idea yet. And if they DID think to put a map they just didnt assume that almost everybody would like that idea, wich obviously they do because it was added and has been in most games since. People think that eq was the way it was because the devs thought the mechanics were great. They werent great, but they were the ONLY of its kind (next to UO). There was no other way so it was the BEST way. And you only want those mechanics back in it now because thats how the game was when you look back to the great memories. You think you will get those feelings again if the mechanics are set back to "classic". Somebody above suggested turning your maps off, but who would now that they are there? Most people will leave them because it IS a better mechanic. So its not that classic mechanics are great, its that the time that you played eq was great, and that is gone.
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1. Maps with GPS- Exploring a zone is not nearly as interesting when a map shows you where you are. You cant get lost (and because of point 2 afraid because you are lost), and you know what to expect. You know how big this area is right off, where it ends, and where the road you are following leads before you explore your way there.
2. Intimidating death mechanic- EQ's current mechanic is still probably sufficient to accomplish this. Death is scary, because death is intimidating, you are scared when you are risking your characters life, because you are scared you are more excited. You also enjoy the rewards you got for taking this risk more as a result. I have not been scared to enter a dungeon since EQ1 and may never be again.
3. Quest grind- This one is the most arguable, but least obvious. Modern quests result in a quest grind rather then a MOB grind.. which is probably a little bit better, however it also means that there are fewer people willing to group with you because now you dont just have to find the right class and level, but the right class and level who is on the same quests as you to find a group. Many modern MMO's do not encourage grouping enough, and this makes it even worse. I know I often do not group with friends and family because they are working on quests I plan to do in a week or two.... and that even though I volunteer to help those same friends with quests I've already done I dont enjoy that time spent much. Strangers can forget about it.
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I don't think there's any game where former players whine so much about a game they don't play anymore as in EQ.
If you don't want maps, don't use them or delete them.
If you don't want a compass don't use it.
You know exactly what has changed because you played for the last 6 monhts you say..so why ask?? And why ask on eqforums if you "won't play EQ again"??
EQ isn't the same as it used to be, the EQ you knew has changed, for the better. NO, there won't be a classic server again because you want to relive a part of a game. Deal with it and grow up.
I don't think there's any game where former players whine so much about a game they don't play anymore as in EQ.
If you don't want maps, don't use them or delete them.
If you don't want a compass don't use it.
You know exactly what has changed because you played for the last 6 monhts you say..so why ask?? And why ask on eqforums if you "won't play EQ again"??
EQ isn't the same as it used to be, the EQ you knew has changed, for the better. NO, there won't be a classic server again because you want to relive a part of a game. Deal with it and grow up.
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I used maps from EQatlas before it was ingame, so did many people. Although this was mainly because I had to have my clip plane so low to play the game! With clip-plane maxed it was easy enough to find my way around.
Wait wha huh? when was that announced?
tigris67: I aint seen Drinal in a long time. Remember a guild called "Royal Guards of Drinal"? Or their hot Paladin guild leader?
ehhh....The game has been so newbified over the past few years....the maps are just an integral part of that.
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SOE can't win for losing. A few years back, people were griping about EQ being such a time sink because it was so hard to find one's way around. CR's took too long or were impossible. Now we're griping about the devs givin us what we wanted. The game is better now than it ever has been. It's just underpopulated.
Man... Eqatlas printouts + /loc was so ghetto and so difficult. But it was so rewarding to find the gypsie camp in NK. I love that moonstone quest.
Dave
Wow, in general thats a horrible lie about the 'time-sinks' ... first off people complained only b/c of the raid/ key 'time'-sinks' b/c everyone in your guild needed to get them to get to a certain place etc. if anyone complained that it was 'too-hard' to find their way around - just shouldn't have played the game at all. Seriously, it wasn't 'hard' to nagivate at all - once one got 'used' to the loc system they had in place - it was fairly easy to find your way around - then even after a while in being 'in' a area - most things were just commited to memory. By the way, CR's also were NOT overall 'too long' or 'impossible' - infact later on rez's really mutes your point entirely. The dev's were NOT giving us what we wanted - (THAT'S OBVIOUS) otherwise EQ1 would have alot of people playing it. EQ1 was catered to a 'hard'-core' group of players - now maybe since it was the first '3d' MMO out there alot of casual players were forced to play or play nothing at all. Those that 'cried' about its 'long runs' and stiff DP's along with taking out 'hell-levels' etc got what they wanted.
Lets say LOTRO (which is the most casual - friendly MMO in the industry) kept along its current 'form' for three years (as what EQ did with its 'hard-core' stance) then all of a sudden did a 360 in terms of game-style and pace with a 'hard-core' expansion - that had stiff experience loss, CR's, HELL LEVELS, no mount till lvl 50, no maps, no more ez leveling etc... how long do you think those who were playing LOTRO b/c of its 'casual friendly ways stay? All b/c a minority of the playerbase got sick and tired of 'its eazy leveling', no penalty's, etc ways? That's exactly what happened with EQ1 when PoP came out. They changed the ENTIRE play-style - which not only 'killed' the 'big world 'feel' to it but by creating PoK it insured 60% or more of the EQ zones would never again have to be seen. Nor would low level's need to stay in their starting out areas etc. You know what sucks about the entire thing? those of us who played EQ B/C of its stance was now stuck - I mean we put in 3 years into EQ only to see the style instantly change with one expansion - what were supposed to do? immed. leave? when we put so much time and effort into our characters?! So many of us stuck it out after PoP only to see the content get worse in terms of 'ez-mode'. That is the ONLY reason why PoP had the 'box-sales' it did - was b/c we just simply tried to continue on in the 'instant PoK' Era. if we (the hard-core players of old eq) knew what was instore for us (with the future expansions) we would have surely left right then and there as PoP came out.
There is a reason why EQ1 is way - under populated. There is also a REASON for people wishing for a 'classic' server and why the progression servers drastically fell off it terms of player-base after SoV.
I totally agree - its not like there 'isn't' a fan base for the 'hard-core'. Esp. just for 'one' server. And no, any of you guys SAY 'if you wanna play a 'hard-core' game then why not 'try' EVE?' b/c that is a COMPLETELY different style game and is not an MMORPG. That is a ship MMO and flying around in 'empty' space 80% fo the time is boring. Not to mention its PvP based - which I do not like (I like PVE)
Games are being 'dumbed' down b/c of WoW's sucess. For soem reason, believe it or not people enjoy a 'relaxed' feel to an MMO like WoW and LOTRO. There is no real 'intense' feeling, no 'scaryness' or 'long-grinding it out for months on end lvls'. SOmeone coudl easily get to 70 in WoW in 2-3 months. in LOTRO people can get to lvl 50 in less then a month. However, what surprises me is HOW games lke WoW have a 'solid' player base when clearly someone can start palying the 'end-game' in 3 months?
MMO's are designed (I hope) to last years - thats why LOTRO has 'life-time' subs and why MMO's allow you to 'pay for a year in advance' b/c its supposed to last a while. But really when one in LOTRO can reach the end in less then a month - how long could one stay with one 'raid'? That is why these 'kiddie' mmo's bother me - they cater to the 'casual' friendly yet the Dev's (like in LOTRO) WONDER how a big portion of the player-base can blow through content so fast. I am sorry but the 'easier' you make a game - the less time it will take to beat and therefore the less time one is willing to spend on the game.
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For about 170 plat, you can summon your corpse to the Guild Lobby. A lot of things have changed - the most recent expansion will have gear with 1000 hp/mana on it - before augments.
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