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Wow's dead, long live WoW
MrVicchio
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When I say WoW's DEAD, I don't mean it's suddenly shut down servers because of a mass exodus. I mean WoW is dead in terms of being worth while.
If you've played WoW for more then 3 months, you basically have PLAYED WoW, that's it. The difference between level's 1-10 and 70 is how long you have to wait for anything new and how many people you have to do it with.
But we all really, even the WoW rabid fans know this. WoW has a problem, it's not edgy, it's certainly not breaking new ground and the competition around the corner has the momentum. AoC and WAR both bring a viable PvP with a purpose. And that purpose is not rep farming or point farming or any other kind of farming.
What can Blizz bring to WoW that would be new? They can't add meaningful PvP because that would break the mold, and with 9,000,000 paying customers, you do NOT break the mold. And that is why WoW is dead. It cannot change enough to compete with the next-gen MMO's and really they aren't going to risk breaking their raider centric, farm till you drop gameplay system because so far... millions of people pay good money to play it.
So yeah, I'm one of those people that forsee WoW in 12 months taking a more significant hit in terms of player base then most would. This isn't because of anything inheriently right with the competition or wrong with WoW, but that WoW's own success precludes the game from making any revolutionary changes. The next expansion is going to probably move the level cap up another 10 or 15 lvls. Bring in more instances, maybe high end 15 man instead of 25... who knows, but in the end, it's going to be little different from today's WoW.
I know a lot of my guildies are saying the same thing, they are playing WoW until something better comes along, something different but fun.
And when WAR and AoC hit.... the one that launches the smoothest, and has the most built in "fun factor" at the end of the day will be the one to bring down WoW.
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You can't say you've done everything in WoW, until you have completed every single raid encounter.
O'rly.
There is no difference to the raid encounters when you boil it all down, the entire sequence of every instance is scripted, and once the "best" way to do it is determined by the uber guilds, everyone else follows suit. And that is a mold they CANNOT BREAK.
I don't need to run Black Temple, I quit on Karazhan and haven't logged in since with my 70. I go play my lowbie druid with my wife for amusement. Nothing more.
WoW cannot change, and I think people are realziing what they did pre-tbc in MC and AQL is really no different then what they are doing now.
It's the same sh** different instance.
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Actually, I did realize this, before TBC was released. And you'll get to do it all over again in the next expansion.....
You just need the courage to quit.... seems quite a few folks can't though.... they'd rather still play even though they're unhappy and feel there's "nothing" else out there.....
I say they lack imagination....
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They'll quit when there is something worth playing. TRUST me I've been looking for that something.
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There is no difference to the raid encounters when you boil it all down, the entire sequence of every instance is scripted, and once the "best" way to do it is determined by the uber guilds, everyone else follows suit. And that is a mold they CANNOT BREAK.
I don't need to run Black Temple, I quit on Karazhan and haven't logged in since with my 70. I go play my lowbie druid with my wife for amusement. Nothing more.
WoW cannot change, and I think people are realziing what they did pre-tbc in MC and AQL is really no different then what they are doing now.
It's the same sh** different instance.
Millions seem to like to like it, you don't thats cool, your no great loss. BTW you just described raiding in ALL MMO's.
There is no difference to the raid encounters when you boil it all down, the entire sequence of every instance is scripted, and once the "best" way to do it is determined by the uber guilds, everyone else follows suit. And that is a mold they CANNOT BREAK.
I don't need to run Black Temple, I quit on Karazhan and haven't logged in since with my 70. I go play my lowbie druid with my wife for amusement. Nothing more.
WoW cannot change, and I think people are realziing what they did pre-tbc in MC and AQL is really no different then what they are doing now.
It's the same sh** different instance.
Millions seem to like to like it, you don't thats cool, your no great loss. BTW you just described raiding in ALL MMO's.
Yeah to a point.But there are mold breakers out there, DAoC was not the same old same old. AoC has a new premise that I think will at time be wild enough, and WAR should provide an enviroment where no two big battles are ever the same.
And THAT I think is what is going to kill WoW and the older "scripted" MMO's. People are bored with it. They just want something new that's done right.
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There is no difference to the raid encounters when you boil it all down, the entire sequence of every instance is scripted, and once the "best" way to do it is determined by the uber guilds, everyone else follows suit. And that is a mold they CANNOT BREAK.
I don't need to run Black Temple, I quit on Karazhan and haven't logged in since with my 70. I go play my lowbie druid with my wife for amusement. Nothing more.
WoW cannot change, and I think people are realziing what they did pre-tbc in MC and AQL is really no different then what they are doing now.
It's the same sh** different instance.
Millions seem to like to like it, you don't thats cool, your no great loss. BTW you just described raiding in ALL MMO's.
Yeah to a point.But there are mold breakers out there, DAoC was not the same old same old. AoC has a new premise that I think will at time be wild enough, and WAR should provide an enviroment where no two big battles are ever the same.
And THAT I think is what is going to kill WoW and the older "scripted" MMO's. People are bored with it. They just want something new that's done right.
AoC.... i realy don't think that game will be big, all videos i have seen look clumsy and slow.In regards to WAR, I am too looking forward to it but outside of PvP its just as scripted, the famed "innovative" public quest system is just a faction grind with a scripted ending that never changes, such as the giant with the bomb or the big Gun.
We should get details of the next WoW expansion in a few weeks at blizzcon, if they dont turn up the PvP I wont be sticking with WoW. but PvE to me is just great.
People fail to look at games as a whole. Instead, they concentrate on single areas where they can fully "rip it a new one".
WoW is, and will be for quite some time, a great MMO as a whole. Offcourse you get bored after endless days of raids. Who wouldn't be?
Anyhoo, I can assure you that there will be a lot more good MMO's out this year. I have to admit (And so will you) that WoW has set a standard and companies will only try to make the formula even better. Happy days!
I have been playing since beta and yes WoW is dead. Blizzard just doesn't know it yet. I agree that when the next solid mmo launches Blizzard will see there numbers fall.
You have limited options end game wise. Raid, Farm or PvP. Ohh thats right, you can level an alt to do it all over again. Expansions will bring you more of the same thing. Instead of putting in other options for end game they keep the same thing coming.
For me its just something to do till I find the next mmo.
If WAR, the game I am really pumped to play, has long faction grinds, or intolerable PvE grinds, I won't play it.
I agree that AoC looks, like it could either be a break out game or a dud. Personally I'm thinking of the two it will do great out of the gates then fade fairly fast out of the race.
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Just because Warhammer or AoC comes out doesn't mean that suddenly their 9 million subscribers (however they come to that figure) are going to jump ship.
Even if they lost half their subscriber base, that would be 4.5 million players.
And quite frankly I bet there are a good many of "part time players" who keep accounts just to log in and do a quest or two and break up the day.
The problem is that serious mmo players have this idea of what an mmo should be and they don't take into account that this game has attracted quite a lot of part time mmo players who just want to log on for a few and that's it.
So again, it is what it is. There is no reason it has to change because they are not hurting for subscribers and even if it did wind down (as all mmo's do) it would take quite a lot of time for that to happen.
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It's the same with any MMO... just depends if you are having enough fun to keep you going. (Unless you are an extreme casual and one of those ones that takes a year to get to max level)
But think, any other game lasts maybe 2 weeks.
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you make good points. i have no clue why people are so into farming over and over. if wow wants to be more successful they need GOOD pvp. this is what conan and warhammer is bringing.
the only thing that will bring down wow is time. it is inevitable. who knows when thatll be and who cares. just sit back and enjoy it.
Agree with the last part of your post, eventually all games lose popularity and die off. But in WoW's case I don't see that happening any time soon, they just announce subscription numbers, and 9 Million isn't that bad tbh.
It's strange to hear people say that after 3 months you've seen everything WoW has to offer. Maybe if you were one of these no-lifers who plays day in, day out without a break, but certainly not your average gamer. I started playing last November and haven't seen it all yet. Not even close to it. I've reached level 70 with two Alliance characters but never played much on the Horde side so that's 50% of the game I've yet to see. I haven't done much raiding so I've still got that to do. I've been through several zones but never done any actual quests in them so that still awaits me at some point. And there are all those classes and races out there that I haven't even touched on yet.
And the next solid MMO is... what? Age of Conan: so graphic heavy most people won't even be able to play it. Warhammer: lots of PvP which most WoW fans don't like anyway.
WoW didn't see its numbers fall when Guildwars came out or Vanguard or even LoTR. What makes you so sure anyone is going to ditch WoW when the next "solid one" comes out?
Well, you're half right. WoW will probably die because it can't or won't change, but that's about it. Most MMO when boiled down are the same thing, and even War and AoC will have scripted quests and such.
Anything you do over and over you'll get tired of, people will quit wow just because it got stale and play a new MMO just because it's new, once they get bored of that they will move on and it will be repeated.
Food is a lot like that for us (besides the fact we need eat to live.) 99% of everyone that eats bread every day for a year and just bread will get sick of it, and would be more then happy to eat a hot dog every day. Not because it necessarily tastes better, but because it's different. Both of them are still food and either will technically do to stave hunger, even if neither alone is very nutritious.
Everyone's already played wow, that's why wow will die. It's not amazing, and it's very predictable. Blizzards knows this. Nothing truly lasts.
Honestly wow died for me over a year ago and that so called 40 buck expansion was a waste like Ive been saying you bought a flying mount big deal......wow has bought the gaming industry to dirt it didnt help nor did it create anything that would bring gaming to a new look all it did was mass itself to kids and some adults that had no clue what pvp was...Now they think there the main point of its new creation i guess..
The game is as is moronic imo to tell the truth i was beta and played it for 2 hours turned it off then didnt go back for like 8 months and boy do i wish i never had played it at all....But like the guy said above currently there is nothing out worth paying for to play at least for me so i still do free or offline old games because im not going to pump money into a game that offers nothing they make tons of money a month and they give nothing in return for it save the same old crap...
And as soon as everyone wakes up and stops being fanboys for it the game will die just like most all of them do.
Honestly, I never knew people would actually pay $15 a month to play one game.
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The game that people should be keeping an eye on is Hero's Journey. The Journey System allows for a branching storyline. There are multiple ways to complete every quest and and each way leads you in a different direction as far as the story goes. You can have multiple characters and never go through the same story twice. It's like a choose your own adventure book.
I'm not a big PvP person because PvP is meaningless in most MMORPGs. That's why I'm skeptical of how good the PvP will be in WAR and AoC. If it turns out to be meaningful in those games then great but I'll believe it when I see it.
As far as HJ goes. I don't expect there to be as big an emphasis on PvP as there is in other games. For starters, everyone is on the same side. There are three different factions that players can be a part of but they're all on the same side. It's not like players are going to be in direct conflict with each other like in WAR. That's not to say that PvP in HJ will be completely meaningless. In fact the plan is to expand PvP beyond basic combat. Players can influence world politics and even help start wars.
If you're into PvP more than PvE then HJ probably isn't for you but if you like PvE with a dynamic storyline that allows your actions to have a real influence on the world then HJ is a game to keep your eye on.
You're the worst kind of fanboy: one who hates the game but can't keep posting about it.
You make it sound like that's a lot of money. For me, it's just over an hour's wages. Not much to pay for a game I happen to enjoy playing.
isnt it first when stuff goes underground it acturly begins to live?
and i really dont belive the hypes anymore.. i seen one game this year that had a big hype..and it ended up like something else than it should.. so i wait and see, before i make a opinion!
Well WoW is a hit. Other games will be hits as well. Time goes on. People who love WoW, or whatever game they play, find something they like there. As years pass, their taste may change, or not. Nothing last's forever.
Maybe Tabula Rasa will be interesting for players who don't care about killing orcs, aliens or whatever. If they want PVE, they will have a lot in that game.
Also it seems quite interesting because (i heard) there are frontiers between npc's domain and player's domain.
So, if to accomplish a mission also means that you and the other players will have more terrain, it will be an interesting point for everyone and a good reason to do missions.
PS: Also i have heard in some missions you will "help" directly in other players's missions. For example, your target is to destroy an enemy hangar. Once you have destroy the hangar, the Bane won't be able to use aircrafts against other allies in the area.