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EQ2 Top1, UO Top13, WoW Top18 ???
Gamer1997
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I'm looking for a "new" MMORPG and if it's free or not doesn't matter for me.
I was searching http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_MMORPGs and somehow I reached this site. And I was VERY surprised how the members of this site rated those games (EQ2 Top1, UO Top13, WoW Top18).
So what I have to expect here? For sure this is NOT a mainstream site. Are most people here playing free-to-play games?
I started with Meridian59 in 1997 just to find a new home in Felucca at Ultima Online for many years, I played Anarchy Online as well as Star Wars Galaxies (Bloodfin, btw), I enjoyed Everquest 2 for some months and finally I'm stuck with World of Warcraft until now.
But after 3 years of WoW I'm looking for new lands ;-)
It seems (I've read many threads) a lot of people are also looking for for the greener grass, so give me some directions beside the following, since I've tried and discarded:
Dark Age of Camelot
Dungeaon Runners
Entropia Universe
EVE Online
Jumpgate
Lord of the Rings Online
Ryzom
Second Life
Shadowbane
Sword of the new world
Please let me know if there is a game out there I have not tried yet ...
(Btw: I will try out Star Trek Online, since I'm Trekkie and Tabula Rasa just because Lord British)
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A friendly word of warning dont go for a game just because Lord British endorses it.
Game wise well cant recomend any but if you are willing to wait Warhammer is comming out soon Q1 2008
Also there is Age Of Cohan..
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-- Jean Rostand
I noticed FFXI was not on your list. I played that for 2 years and had fun. It is more on the hardcore side of things. More over, i do not know how noob friendly it is, meaning if the economy is out of wack, making it difficult for a new player to get gear, etc. I started playing the game when it launched on the PS2, so I had a LOT of company. You can solo til about level 10. Then its nothing but group funzies (save fopr beastmaster, and maybe puppetmaster...enver played that job). Personally I liked this aspect of the game, as jobs were very specific in their role for combat....sometimes though, you don't wanna have to sit on your ass waiting for a party to play...but thats later on. I had a great social guild, which made all the difference in the world. This game is really geared to the social player. Solo'ers will probably not like it much...as there are other games out with that mentality in mind.
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Dude, read the forums on those games. And btw, MMORPG.COM is THE site for the genre my friend..coming here and saying that this site is crap, only makes u look like a moron
Second: I've played all 3 of them, so I can rate them too, and I would rate them WoW, UO and EQ2 in that order (SWG would be in between WoW and UO).
Third: I'm playing MMORGs for more than 10 years and I wasn't aware of this site, so I don't think I it is NECESSARY to know it. (WoW have 9 million subscriptions, this site 615k, don't count all the other games and you'll know who is the "moron")
TO ALL OTHERS:
Thank you very much for the recommendations, I will try out FFXI, and for sure I will try Warhammer Online as soon as it's out. Age of Conan seems not to be "my" game tho.
You didn't try City of Heroes...nor City of Villains.
I don't like superheroes...yet I loooove this MMO. I will try to give a few points about CoH/CoV here:
- Fastest around, yet a RPG. Even if your reflexs are not good, you can still do fine...a fight is FAST and FURIOUS, but it is bearable from a classic RPG point of view.
- Customisations is awesome...you can feel as in a medieval-fantasy MMO, or a sci-fi MMO quite easily by designing your custome in a way and fighting a precise group of enemies...LOOK is unmatched by any competitor. Unique.
- 5 AT which subdivide between 4-7 primary and 4-7 secondaries...so you have roughtly about 125 classes from about 25 distinct half. Adds 4 alternates sets and EPIC powers...and you are unlikely to ever see someone who is identical to you in powers...and then...you have the slotting...some will be similar, but most of the time, it will only be half of their character, as they often will have the same secondary or primary you have, yet not the other...
- Travel powers are FUN and FAST (level 14+, unless you get temporary powers before), and the metro is instantaneous...so travel is possible, but it isn't nasty on you.
I could go on. Most peoples complains are usually around this:
- They think it is boring. Cause it doesn't do many things, but what it does, it does better then anyone else. If you like the game at level 1-10, you will like it later. If you don't like it, it won't change.
- The nerfs...they were very bad...but hopefully the devs learn and will never nerf again...hopefully. This is a RPG, and a RPG is centered on the PROGRESSION, you cannot remove any progress a player mades, ever. But some devs don't understand that...yet hopefully...they are now/will soon.
- Balance. The game is balanced PvE-wise for your leveling up, to 50. There are no PvP-balance in the game, no endgame-balance...only balance present is all toons are balanced vs the other on their developpment path...soloing toons usually have a harder time grouping.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Second: I've played all 3 of them, so I can rate them too, and I would rate them WoW, UO and EQ2 in that order (SWG would be in between WoW and UO).
Third: I'm playing MMORGs for more than 10 years and I wasn't aware of this site, so I don't think I it is NECESSARY to know it. (WoW have 9 million subscriptions, this site 615k, don't count all the other games and you'll know who is the "moron")
TO ALL OTHERS:
Thank you very much for the recommendations, I will try out FFXI, and for sure I will try Warhammer Online as soon as it's out. Age of Conan seems not to be "my" game tho.
Not my game either but i thought id put it foward just in caase you like it. Also tho the City of heroes/Villains games ahs a great charecter creation system. The game is very instanced and there is no real end game content. End game content as in a point to reach max level but by all emans if you wish try out a free triall on them and who knows you may like it.
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-- Jean Rostand
"Wow I'm so surprised the users of this website don't rate the games like I do! This site is way too underground. Oh and I've been playing WoW since 96 and I haven't heard of this site!! So I guess wikipedia is the right site for mmos!"
Ultima Online 98~04
Dark Age of Camelot 03~07
Final Fantasy XI 04~06
Guild Wars 05~08
World of Warcraft 04~05
Unsuccessful Tries: DFO/EQ2/DRaja/Rag/Req/RYL/9D/Cabal/KO/PSU/RF/GE/TO/TR/DDO/EVE/LoTRO/L2/RZ/SWG/VG
Quality > Quantity
WoW has numbers i'll give it that, but it's quality is below average. It's just a mainstream game. Ment to appeal to all crowds. When it comes down to it. It's a watered down MMORPG that doesn't give the "Epic Feel" that others do. Eq2 has far superior depth and story then WoW could ever imagine, BUT it's not a game for everybody. In which case WoW has little to no depth or story line and is easy to just "jump in".
They appeal to 2 totally different crowds.
I would recommend staying away from Mid-Evil based games, but that's pure opinion. I used to play games such as those and grew tired of them. FAST. Plus there simply is to many. Plus they all feel like clones of one another. I got tired of swinging around a dang sword.
I've been playing CoV/CoH lately and having a blast. You can pick it up for 30 bucks and have both games. Just play on Freedom or Virtue though and you'll have a large community at all hours of the day.
EQ2 and Guild Wars(free to play). Both are great games.
I find a LOT of endgame in it. The fact endgame doesn't screw the casual gamer only make me love all the more and trying to bring the casuals into it.
See, the RSF is easily the hardest challenge I meet in a MMO that isn't a solo challenge. It is hard, it is harsh, it is unforgiving...of course, now I find it easy as I master it and learn to play my character better.
I was in old EQ...I have seen the endgame it has to propose...and honestly, CoV endgame eats it alive, both in challenge, in interest and in content. Of course, CoV end game never shaft, at any moment, anyone not doing it...and you are free to do ANY of it in order to advance, not forced through.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
welcome and let me say you will find this site diverse if anything.
While EQ2 might not be the most popular mmorpg around it is quite popular and has worked very hard in fixing its issues and thus despite the high presence of anti-SoE crowd /eve fans here it has worked its way to number 1 and for a very good reason.
even the die hard SoE find it very hard to bring down this game its just simply good enough to deserve its top slot.
Hehe, I just reached this forum and already I'm in between all chairs. EQ2 and SWG are past in my very own opinion as well as Sony, they destroyed my beloved SWG. But I would try again any other game distributed by SOE.
In this moment I'm downloading CoH 2.3 gigabyte
they just give me 215 k/sec *grr* Thanks for the advise, I've got the 14 days trial key from this site.
Yeah when exactly was the last time you played EQ2?
The Echoes of Fawdyer expansion was a major boost and probably the reason EQ2 is where it is.
WoW's expansion wasn't very well recieved and probably why WoW is 18th.
Also its not Mid-Evil. Its Medieval.
EQ 2 is not the most populated game, but you also do not have Asian gold farmers and botters as you do in WoW.
It still is the highest quality PvE MMORPG out there. I really enjoy EQ 2, and I am an old EQ 1 vet.
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WoW and fast food = commercial successes.
I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
I just checked my StationPass, it was 11/2005 when I had my last payment for it (11/8/05 1000XXXXXX SOE All Access $25.84). So I think 10/2005 was the last time I played EQ2 and SWG.
I seriously doubt that you've played WoW for any significant amount of time if you claim that its quality is below average. It's a ridiculous statement and it sounds like you just have a grudge against WoW for some reason. WoW is the epitome of quality, and it's design shines through in every aspect.
Sure, the end game is a grind. But guess what, every game's end game is a grind - it's how the end game exists - when the unique content runs out and the repetition for rewards comes into play. You telling me that with full AAs at level 70 in EQ2 you've got oodles of content left to do? Ha. No, you go back and you find all those absolutely crap quests you find by inspecting a piece of dog turd or something and suddenly 'you feel compelled to kill 500 dogs, then you get a slightly better piece of armor, on an alt. Yeah, great.
WoW's story is fine - standard fantasy fare. EQ2's story isn't exactly Tolkien is it? And what exactly do you think 'depth' means? Because with my 70 Templar, Troubador, etc, I found none of this magical depth you spoke of that WoW does not have. You think picking up random ground spawn for collection quests is 'depth'? You think having to mine 5 billion ore clusters to find that rare is depth? You think having to wait 8 hours for a mob to spawn so you can do your HQ is depth? No, that's being 'watered down'.
WoW is a 'mainstream game' hmm? Are you nuts? All of the popular MMOs of today are mainstream. MMOs are mainstream now. Read any PC game magazine and you'll at least several articles on the subject. It's just that not many people want to play Vanguard, or CoH, or Everquest because there's a better quality game out that most people like more - but of course people are different - and not everyone will enjoy WoW. Let me explain something to you about the 'superior' EQ2 you seem fond of:
EQ2 was released as a game to appeal to a broad audience, to capture the attention of as many people as possible, to broaden the genre, to cater to many different playstyles. That has been the plan since day one. It was not supposed to compete with it's more hardcore predecessor. It's obvious that WoW has not only succeeded where EQ2 did not, but caused SOE to fundamentally change both EQ1 and EQ2 to make them more WoW like.
WoW's community audio, animation, quest design, balttlegrounds, instance raids, blows anything EQ2 has out of the water. You'll hear jaded bitter burn-out cases tell us differently, but that's probably because all their friends play WoW and they're feeling left out.
This is not a dig at EQ2, it's the "alternative" to WoW, for those who strive to be unique, like goths or something.
Oh, and WoW has a far friendlier community. I've made more friends in WoW in 1 year than I ever did in EQ1 and EQ2 over the course of 6 or so years, because everyone's easy going and not being overly obssessive about grinding AAs in one spot in EQ1, or doing some god-awful lore and legend quest so you can get some poncey book-shelf for your house that's just a generic instance behind the same door thounsands of other people's houses are. If that's depth to you then... you're a lost cause.
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Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
WOW, even if this post is not directed to me, I feel touched ;-)
I don't quote because for some reasons this site use special techniques to prevent editing of quotes, that's LAME (I wanted to shorten).
I'm an actual WoW player, and yes I can support each and every thing regarding WoW, BUT this thread was not intended to start a flame war EQ2 against WoW, it was intended to get some recommendations about OTHER games.
Please give me more games ;-) I'm just downloading CoH (now at 191 k/sec) and discarded FFXI because they don't offer an online buyout (yes, I know, WoW don't do it either, and I hated Blizzard for it when they published TBC, and yes I was midnight in store ;-)) )
Yeah, that might have been over the top. But when you see statements like "WoW is below average", it's clear these people have no fricking idea about MMOs. It's like they've played WoW for a month, got bored - then they suddenly think they're experts on the genre, and wonder why no MMOs today are good enough for them.
Here's a clue: MAYBE YOU DON'T LIKE MMOs.
There's just too many annoying people with sand in their vagina because WoW's doing so well, and they don't "get it". So they post derogatory comments about the game, and the people who play it whilst waiting for the "next big thing" to come out and rescue them from their misery.
Btw this is not aimed at you, but the poster I quoted in my previous post, and those like him (a great proportion of MMORPG.com).
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Try Saga of Ryzom until Chronicles releases.
I don't recommend CoX or GuildWars, way too much instancing, might as well play a single box game.
EQ2 sucked at release, still sucks, has no place on the top game list. The ratings on this site are easily manipulated.
How did you manage to shorten my post? Mozilla?
I would pay $3 for sure even to test, if I just could find it. That's why I prefer online payment from the game site itself.
To Samuraisword: I've tried Ryzom, but ... hmm ... it wasn't bad, I don't know why I discarded it
Maybe because it was too similar to WoW. For sure the Crafting system was MUCH better.
How did you manage to shorten my post? Mozilla?
I would pay $3 for sure even to test, if I just could find it. That's why I prefer online payment from the game site itself.
To Samuraisword: I've tried Ryzom, but ... hmm ... it wasn't bad, I don't know why I discarded it
Maybe because it was too similar to WoW. For sure the Crafting system was MUCH better.
In what way was Ryzom similar to WoW? If anything Ryzom resembles the original AC if you ask me.
In what way was Ryzom similar to WoW? If anything Ryzom resembles the original AC if you ask me.
Right + Left mousebutton = Run ;-) There are not many games around that support this really easy handling.
In what way was Ryzom similar to WoW? If anything Ryzom resembles the original AC if you ask me.
Right + Left mousebutton = Run ;-) There are not many games around that support this really easy handling.
But I thought you listed this as a reason why you discarded it. Odd fellow you are.
I play FFXi ,but W/o a doubt IMO EQ2 has /is and always will be for a long time to come the best most complete game out there.They took into consideration not one not two but MANY things that don't work well and do work well in MMO's.You CAN craft ALL your own top notch gear.Drops are relative to your level,you do not need a raid or a high level to help you get drops that are appropiate to your level.At the same time the fights are very competitive and not easy.They have a pretty good complete crafting system for those who like it.THey have a vast world that for now would be endless for a new player.They have mentoring to ease the pain of LFG/LFP.There interface is modern and very user friendly.they use hotbars and you can write your own macros.The death penalty is kinda in the middle of most games as to ease the pain it seems to cause some people[no xp loss,and they removed the shard retrieval].They have a large assortment of spells so players don't get bored i nthat area.They have mounts and travel isnt as bad as some games such as FFXI wich i play.Making gold is also kinda fair,you can make a fair amount without having to farm for days an barely be able to afford noob gear.
The problem of course with any old game no matter how good it is,is population.I left EQ2 for the only reason was, it wasn't populated enough for my liking.Well and some friends were geting into FFXI wich i also liked as a game.I think unless you are ready to dwelve into a MMO for longevity,i would just maybe try a bunch of the free games,or perhaps a twitch type game that involves instant action without the longevity of crafting/housing/farming well you get the picture.
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