LOL, sorry but it is a good argument, plus it kind of proved every coment you made was silly and so on. So if you ever feel like comeing back to it, please do as you argument was totally riped apart. LOL!
p.s I do also tend to get very worked up went people start saying, give me a break and PLEASE and all that so you are really one to talk.
J.d.slanger-everything apeares to be a scam in this world when you first see it does'nt it.
J.d.slanger-everything apeares to be a scam in this world when you first see it does'nt it.
or they could both be just as good...ones free and you can pay for the other so why not play both.....
there both gonna be very good games.......
Uilwen
--------------------------------------------- WoW -Rhalon 85 B.E. rogue -Rhalon 81 UD Mage -Doneski 85 Orc death knight
"Everyones life has a beginning and an end, No one can change that."-Hiko "If you wish to taste the ground, then feel free to attack."-Kenshin Himura ---------------------------------------------
LOL! A I can't be assed any more, if people are going to be this ignorant, I will just read, ask questions for information and make one or two funny remarks. I can't be bothered any more on telling people what I know. Let them live in ignorance.
J.d.slanger-everything apeares to be a scam in this world when you first see it does'nt it.
J.d.slanger-everything apeares to be a scam in this world when you first see it does'nt it.
All you people who are saying that GW will trounce WOW, how many of you actually played the game during Arenanet's free E3 promotion? Well I have, played GW from Tuesday to Friday. It was fun, not bad. For a free game was not bad at all.
But people, WOW will trounce GW, without a doubt. Just because a pretty good mmorpg will have no monthly fee and half way decent content doeas not make it the best thing since sliced bread.
This is all I'm going to say: just check out the latest trailer for WOW and then lets talk.
omg i cant believe you guys made this thread. its obvious WoW pwns GW in graphics but im not sure about the game play of WoW. I played GW and it was lame...............
I may be an Eq2 fan but i have to sayWoW WILL OWN GW so easily. GW is free, so i don't expect much from it, and WoW, i will end up hitting myself for saying this.....its made by blizzard. <smacks himself>....I would have never imagined myself ever supporting WoW..... its the 1st sign of the appocylpse.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -EQ1 character:Grotub, shaman of the Tribunal server
Originally posted by Bobjones1303 I may be an Eq2 fan but i have to sayWoW WILL OWN GW so easily. GW is free, so i don't expect much from it, and WoW, i will end up hitting myself for saying this.....its made by blizzard. <smacks himself>....I would have never imagined myself ever supporting WoW..... its the 1st sign of the appocylpse.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -EQ1 character:Grotub, shaman of the Tribunal server
Here is the second sign of the appocylpse: Guildwars is mutch better then WoW.
It may or it may not. Honestly i really don't care becuase i won't be playing WoW or GW, but from what <I> have seen i think that WoW will be better, then again, it may not be. I'm sort of getting tired of all the Eq2 vs. WoW stuff, so i thought i would look for another argument to join.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -EQ1 character:Grotub, shaman of the Tribunal server
GW seems boreing. From what i have read there is almost no content to the game. The only thing you do is fight and do your little group quests you seem to praise so much. I haven't read anything that says they will have tradeskills or stuff to do besides just kill things. Your choices in GW seem really limited. There aren't that many classes and all the classes seem very unbalanced. I really haven't read any info on races but i asume that they must have at least a few. This game seems to limit you alot on what you can do. Seems like a mmorpg version of diablo 2.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -EQ1 character:Grotub, shaman of the Tribunal server
First of all i would like to say that i think GW graphics are better than WOW. (I dont know why anyone would think otherwise)
Secound people seem to think because GW doesnt have a monthy fee it will have a lack of content and ect. However this is just illogical. First both games are not out yet so we dont know how much contect. Secound Gw has a unique streming technology which i think they intend to use.(why elsel would they have it...). For those who says it is boring and no content....THE GAME IS NOT OUT YET SO HOW CAN U KNOW
Third i would like to say that both games will attract different crouds...one will not own the other: GW is for people who are less hardcore gamers who just want to have fun and are on a tighter budjet(perfect for me--im cheap). WOW however will attract more hardcore gamers who are more into mmorpgs and have played many games before and are willing to pay a monthly fee and blizzard fans of course(even though some of GW's employees are ex- blizzard employees).
GW strategy--the reason they have no mothly fee is because they figure it will increase there fanbase to big enough so they will have have sold tons of copies of the game so that the quantity of the games sold will make more money than if they had a monthly fee anyways. GW is trying to make a name for themselves and they are using a smart strategy--E3 event and no monthly fee without those 2 thing GW would still be unknown.
I prefer GW because it seems more original and fun based..... i dunno what WOW will offer that we havent seen before.
Originally posted by Bobjones1303 GW seems boreing. From what i have read there is almost no content to the game. The only thing you do is fight and do your little group quests you seem to praise so much. I haven't read anything that says they will have tradeskills or stuff to do besides just kill things. Your choices in GW seem really limited. There aren't that many classes and all the classes seem very unbalanced. I really haven't read any info on races but i asume that they must have at least a few. This game seems to limit you alot on what you can do. Seems like a mmorpg version of diablo 2.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -EQ1 character:Grotub, shaman of the Tribunal server
Yes, classes are unbalanced, but GW is a COOPERATIVE GAME.
The monk can't attack, all classes beat him, but if there isn't monk in a group, you are dead...
Originally posted by FireWarrior First of all i would like to say that i think GW graphics are better than WOW. (I dont know why anyone would think otherwise) _______________________________________ That is you opinion, just because you beleave it is right does not make itso, grafics are art. You can have concensis in a group but you are nither right or wrong. If you really want to know if the game's grafics are better then another game, please argue this is the general board to find out as every user reqaurdless of game preference will give you there opinion and you will find out the thruth. _______________________________________ Secound people seem to think because GW doesnt have a monthy fee it will have a lack of content and ect. However this is just illogical. First both games are not out yet so we dont know how much contect. Secound Gw has a unique streming technology which i think they intend to use.(why elsel would they have it...). For those who says it is boring and no content....THE GAME IS NOT OUT YET SO HOW CAN U KNOW _______________________________________ You require to go to www.worldofwarcraft.com as right now there is a beta goinging and and it has just started phase 3.. You also need to go to guild war web-page at www.guildwars.com as they have just finished there alpha stage and moveing to the beta. If you are going to argue about the finished product is going to be better think again. Keeping track record of the progress of the game while it is in testing is the best way to find out how well the designers or dev's as every one calls them will fix, and improve the game. Right now the alpha for GW has had a bad review from a large group of people complaining alot in there forum. The dev's have said they will fix this and it is really early but I will wait until the beta testers have to say before I give me prediction of opinion. but for no wow has more and better things then GW. _______________________________________ Third i would like to say that both games will attract different crouds...one will not own the other: GW is for people who are less hardcore gamers who just want to have fun and are on a tighter budjet(perfect for me--im cheap). WOW however will attract more hardcore gamers who are more into mmorpgs and have played many games before and are willing to pay a monthly fee and blizzard fans of course(even though some of GW's employees are ex- blizzard employees). _____________________________________ This is true, then you can't say which is better based on the general game, you can say this and that is better and add it all up but it is still m ainly based on opinion. Also you seem to have it wrong about the ex-members thing. (GW has one of the warcraft3:ft and diablo2 main designers. The rest of the team is still with Blizzard and from the information on the site, he is no more than an adviser or idea generator. Which means that this game my die off as there is not really much there to grab and keep people playing. I could be wrong and it could pull another diablo2 out of the hat.(d2 has a 1.1 million active players on a ladder, If people are going to argue about dead account, d2 plays know that the accounts get cancelled if you do not play for a month. _____________________________________ GW strategy--the reason they have no mothly fee is because they figure it will increase there fanbase to big enough so they will have have sold tons of copies of the game so that the quantity of the games sold will make more money than if they had a monthly fee anyways. GW is trying to make a name for themselves and they are using a smart strategy--E3 event and no monthly fee without those 2 thing GW would still be unknown. ______________________________________ and arguement against this is that they did not think they could keep players intrested long enought to make a profit, if the game ran for two to thrre years, what they made in the sale of the cd game would pale to the profit of the monthly fee's. So they them selves in there marketing strategy prove they are un willing to take the risk. ______________________________________ I prefer GW because it seems more original and fun based..... i dunno what WOW will offer that we havent seen before.
Thank you for being so honest and telling it like it is. However I would sugest you check out the wow as it is a very active pvp game as it is build into the story line there for into the game. It's just you can do more than just pvp, it offers you a larger selection of things you can do, you can mill around and so on and open a shop, be a cook, be a tresure hunter or go on the mini or large quests. Just more chose. If you are happy just pvpig and doing minor quests that never update, or change and get added then that is you right to do.
J.d.slanger-everything apeares to be a scam in this world when you first see it does'nt it.
J.d.slanger-everything apeares to be a scam in this world when you first see it does'nt it.
The Bottom line for me at least is that GW and WoW offer different experiences. Now since there will be no monthly fee and since i already know i love GW because i got to test it at E3 then i know for sure that im gonna buy that game. Most probably later on if i feel that i can afford to waste some cash on a monthly fee then i will also get WoW cuz i always loved the series.
But GW takes priority and the only way i would buy WoW before GW is if the release date for GW is wayyyy after that of WoW.
now only ones that actaully can be left alone id 1,7. This is because it is built into the game mechanics, people start from scratch when they enter the game and they simply chose what conbination they will play with next time. As for that being usefull, LOL! I gaurent there will be several times you will be curseing this part of the game. To have a proper guild battle you would have to be in the game before hand and level up in the tech tree you want then go and fight. Mid battle teching is difficult and well, let just face it, if you did it you guild would lose. So these are simply the games play type. This type of game play will wear out very quickly, they game play would only last at max I am assuming a couple of months becausde of it. I can just see players going out and killing mobs over and over again and then opps we reach the end of the tech tree again, umm how many combinations have we reached now mac. " 45, I think thats the lot, we will play with this one an simplly repeatedly kill mobs for not freaking reson, just the fact that we are bord and like to see creatures die". LOL
GW will have epic expantions to extrent all this you have no ground to stand on here..
You can't say what any game will have in release when you have never seen the released game your just making crap up.
As for everything else on the list, every blooming mmorpg has these you mumpet, what the hell is the point in mentioning it if every game has it.
REALLY?? Name them?? I notice you have not one listed thats because there are none..
Name even one MMoRPG that has fast leveling to the end game and has Epic guild event quests?? HMM Lest have a look..
EQ Epic yes fast leveling NO
DAOC Epic yes fast leveling NO
AO EPIC No fast leveling NO
AC1 and 2 NO
CoH NO
Horizons NO
FF XI NO
SWG NO
Neocron NO
HMM you say every MMoRPG has this I don't see any you are full of crap...
Personal note, Thank you god for bistowing ignorant people in this manna in which I can completey and utterly correct them in there way of thinking. I have no qaurral when you simeply say you like it and want to play it but when you start saying it's better because it has this this and this, I am sorry, you will automatially lose this one.
Well your right about one thing your ignorance does show. You have never listed anything but made up crap. If you want to compare wits you might want to get some first because you came unarmed.. State even one fact to back anything you say up would be nice but you can't because you have none.
Further examples if that guild war is a free game, now correct me if I am wrong but will this game get monitored and so on because as free games go, they get hacked and bashed and so on. Also it means that the patches will not mean any real improvment in game play but simply game fixs related to bad grafics or even not being able to play the game.
Again you have no accual info here.. Game companies make millions just off box sales. Do you think Blizzard got where it is today by begging for money? No they made there name and money to back WoW with box sales.. Game companies are second only to the movie industry to making money.. Sony made millions from EQ and had crap ingame support.. Sony made enough money just from EQ to pay for 4 other MMoRPG productions.. These are all facts where are yours?? As for there anti-Hacking they are the first MMoRPG that will have LIVE UPDATES. No other MMoRPG to date can live update to stop hacking.. People hack even EQ today.. A guild hacked SB servers and changed current ingame code forcing the server to shut down for a few days.. Hacking is in every MMoRPG to date but only GW will have live updates to stop this.. Again more facts you have nothing posted about..
I could go into grafics and imagry but quiet frankly I can't be bothered. I will let the gw fans chew on what I have to say. Let me warn you thow, I tend to be vicious when I am in this state and I will simply tear your comments apart if you do not watch what you say. Such as "URRRR gw is better Urrr".< show of lack of intelegence and cheap bastard as he can't actaully aford any of the better games fee's.
Take your best shot because I will respond and show your limited knowledge anytime your ready. I know more about these games than you do and I will come with facts not made up crap like you do...
LOL! absolutly such a cock 4.
The comments below are design to strike back at all the stupid comments I have read in the last 24 posts, I did not bother eading back further as it seemed the integent rateing seemed to decrease the further I went back. Also They are simply stating facts about the limitations of the game.
LOL, the grafics are preaty good in the screenshots but if you look at the ingame trailers, LOL! they fail to reach any form of good standards. As for the skill system, you gotta be kiding me screw 45 conbinations, there are 4 spells or abilities for each class and there are only a couple of classes LOL! talk about shot life span. I will wait to play the game before I insult it further, however I don't see this game haveing a very long attention span game life. People will play it for a couple of moths then leave it for half a year and come back and play for 2 months.
p.s I dare someone to come up with a better argument, I am bord right now so give me you best, next post will be a list of questions that will be a real eye opener for you guys.
And tu_uilwen , did not know you posted else where, nexttime when people are posting like this you should let me know. I will shove all the facts down there throught in away they will never forget and maybe idoit like this will disapear. LOL!
J.d.slanger-everything apeares to be a scam in this world when you first see it does'nt it.
I have read what you have to say which is limited to you making stuff up as you go and no accual real facts. You say you have seen screen shots of GW's but you have not seen the game but unlike you I have.. The graphics are great I love them.. You say will shove facts into peoples faces yet you have yet to post even one fact to date of this post of yours.
I am sorry but your post is a joke and you can't expect anyone to take you as anything but also a joke.
Originally posted by GaurdianKing Tu_wana you really to nice, if it was me, I would lose my temper when reading this and have ago at them. Tiberiux do you research, and as punishment for not I will now inform you of you ignorant and stupidity. The fact that you called it a eq clone is now ovbious that you don't know jack shit about wow.
1>Different quests based on story plot of warcraft:fronzen frone. The game play is based on the story line quiet deeply and all quests are somehow linked to the main story line. Also there are some quests liek deadmines or terisils forrest that are simply mini stories that you play out. Very cool thow, like stealing from theaves for saaveing the princess from the frogbogs I think.
2>Mounts, transport and traveling, well lets put it this way, there are mnore mounts and metods of transpot with eq and eq2 put togeather and I insist you count, there are all methodes of transport and types of transports. You wana go by air, they have zeplines(blipms, aircrafts) and hypogrifins and wingbats(not therew actaul name, can't remember how to spell it) and a few night elf things. Ya wana go by boat feel free, ya wana swim go, you wana portal just get a few friends togeather and cast it. There are so many ways to get around I don't know where to start.
3>Hero system, reputation and threat. You actaully can become a hero in this game, a certified recognised champiuon of the people, you get a reputaion for you deads throught quests and if you done them in specific good ways your reputation will go up an the quest npc's will treat you differently. Threat, certian spells and attacks cause threat which means that the paladin will not simply get attacked because he is attacking but the suppour priests will be heavily hattacked because he generates more threat throught healing. The AI ststem for mobs is a few hundred times better.
4>do you really want me to continue because I am more than willing on telling you how many game differences there are and how wow of warcraft is better than eq.
And in concluding I make this statment of opion, WOW is better then eq and gw. Play how you want and what you want, but the next time you bash my fave game, becarefull to state facts not crap that shows your lack of intelegence. I will judge with my own two eyes when eq2 comes out and wow come out weather which one is better as I am only human and that is all I can do. Play what you want, how you want but please watch what you say about other games you have not chosen.
J.d.slanger-everything apeares to be a scam in this world when you first see it does'nt it.
OK I have ripped into one of your last posts where you had no facts at all when you ripped into mine but you have some here however you seem to have no knowledge of GW's but lots on WoW. I know both games and I have to say you compare WoW to that crap from sony called EQ. But your facts here seem to not compair to GW's. I would like to take a few minutes to compare what you have here to GW's just so you know.
1. GW's quests are great as they let you accually affect the world which WoW does not. In GW's you can set a birdge on fire and watch it burn down so no one can cross. You can't do this in any other MMoRPG. All GW's quests are instanced so you can solve quests anyway you like without affecting others.
2. GW's you can Teleport to anywhere in the game instantly so there is no need for any other form of transportation because you can already get everyhwere instantly.
3. GW has a fame system and every character gets fame points for doing things. Anyone can become a true champion in GW just like in WoW.
Now I will agree WoW is a great game and I will not post that its crappy in any way. On this I agree with you. However WoW is not going to get the box sales of GW's because people that are casual games will not want to pay to play when they don't have to. People that can't pay to play will also get GW before WoW. And last but not least people that do play WoW will still get GW's just to have a change from time to time and they don't have to maintain a pay account to do so.
So one pure box sales I believe GW will beat WoW.. Which game will I spend more time in well that I can't say until there both released.. Point is both games are great but I think GW will win the box sales.
Originally posted by Bobjones1303 I may be an Eq2 fan but i have to sayWoW WILL OWN GW so easily. GW is free, so i don't expect much from it, and WoW, i will end up hitting myself for saying this.....its made by blizzard. <smacks himself>....I would have never imagined myself ever supporting WoW..... its the 1st sign of the appocylpse.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -EQ1 character:Grotub, shaman of the Tribunal server
And yet without any real info you make up your mind based off one thing that its free?
I have a RL friend like you and he is an EQ freak plays the game every day. He said GW's will be crap because its free and no MMoRPG will be good if its free. So I challanged him to try the free Demo now he can't wait for GW to come out. He also doesn't want to go to WoW because he hates blizzards ability to support its products. So he sounds like you so I put the same challange to you try it then post..
Originally posted by Bobjones1303 GW seems boreing. From what i have read there is almost no content to the game. The only thing you do is fight and do your little group quests you seem to praise so much. I haven't read anything that says they will have tradeskills or stuff to do besides just kill things. Your choices in GW seem really limited. There aren't that many classes and all the classes seem very unbalanced. I really haven't read any info on races but i asume that they must have at least a few. This game seems to limit you alot on what you can do. Seems like a mmorpg version of diablo 2.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -EQ1 character:Grotub, shaman of the Tribunal server
Well at least you admit your ingorance.. Even the demo of GW's had crafting.
Yes, classes are unbalanced, but GW is a COOPERATIVE GAME. The monk can't attack, all classes beat him, but if there isn't monk in a group, you are dead...
Bull my monk/warrior owned anyone I came against... I won't tell you how because thats my secret just to say no one could hit me for more than 20 damage and I could hit for 60+ and heal plus had perm regen.
However thats not the point here. The point is you can combine any 2 classes to make whever you like so there is a ballance. But really no MMoRPG to date has true balance as its not possible to have perfect balance without making the exact same classes. How could you ever balance a warrior and a healer without giving a warrior heals and a healer warrior attacks, and then there not distinct classes anymore. So I personally will never play a balanced game or it would be crap.
Let's make a serious of attributes and state which is the best game in which area. PLease feel free to expand on them and add more sub-categories or super-categories.
We state which game comes out on top in each category.
Graphics: GW Sound: dunno Quests: GW (alot funner and interactive). Leveling: GW Content: WOW Monthly Fee: GW Immersive factor: WOW World Size: WOW Variety of Races: WOW Variety of weapons: WOW Variety of Customization: Close, but probably WOW Patches/updates: GW Expansion Packs: GW PVP system: GW PVE system: WOW will have more hunting areas, but GW will be funner so tough call, but I'll say WOW Travel: GW Economy: GW Crafting: WOW Lag: GW Skills: WOW Magic: WOW Servers: GW (since wow will have shards and gw won't, gw comes out clearly on.top here) Inhabited persistant world: WOW
Ok, can't think of any more. My totals so far: GW = 11 WOW = 11
Haha came out tied completly unintentionally Keep adding to my list and if you disagree with any category leader please state which and why and total your own list. I'm hoping we can come up with about 100 categories
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LOL, sorry but it is a good argument, plus it kind of proved every coment you made was silly and so on. So if you ever feel like comeing back to it, please do as you argument was totally riped apart. LOL!
p.s I do also tend to get very worked up went people start saying, give me a break and PLEASE and all that so you are really one to talk.
J.d.slanger-everything apeares to be a scam in this world when you first see it does'nt it.
J.d.slanger-everything apeares to be a scam in this world when you first see it does'nt it.
Lacks creativity to have one!!!
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(")(") i made a bunny!
or they could both be just as good...ones free and you can pay for the other so why not play both.....
there both gonna be very good games.......
Uilwen
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-Rhalon 85 B.E. rogue
-Rhalon 81 UD Mage
-Doneski 85 Orc death knight
"Everyones life has a beginning and an end, No one can change that."-Hiko
"If you wish to taste the ground, then feel free to attack."-Kenshin Himura
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J.d.slanger-everything apeares to be a scam in this world when you first see it does'nt it.
J.d.slanger-everything apeares to be a scam in this world when you first see it does'nt it.
All you people who are saying that GW will trounce WOW, how many of you actually played the game during Arenanet's free E3 promotion? Well I have, played GW from Tuesday to Friday. It was fun, not bad. For a free game was not bad at all.
But people, WOW will trounce GW, without a doubt. Just because a pretty good mmorpg will have no monthly fee and half way decent content doeas not make it the best thing since sliced bread.
This is all I'm going to say: just check out the latest trailer for WOW and then lets talk.
http://gamesdomain.yahoo.com/feature/27505
You guys are on crack if you think GW will be better than WOW.
J.d.slanger-everything apeares to be a scam in this world when you first see it does'nt it.
J.d.slanger-everything apeares to be a scam in this world when you first see it does'nt it.
Thx Grim
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-EQ1 character:Grotub, shaman of the Tribunal server
Mess with the best. DIE like the rest!!
Me kill you good...
J.d.slanger-everything apeares to be a scam in this world when you first see it does'nt it.
J.d.slanger-everything apeares to be a scam in this world when you first see it does'nt it.
Mess with the best. DIE like the rest!!
Me kill you good...
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-EQ1 character:Grotub, shaman of the Tribunal server
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-EQ1 character:Grotub, shaman of the Tribunal server
First of all i would like to say that i think GW graphics are better than WOW. (I dont know why anyone would think otherwise)
Secound people seem to think because GW doesnt have a monthy fee it will have a lack of content and ect. However this is just illogical. First both games are not out yet so we dont know how much contect. Secound Gw has a unique streming technology which i think they intend to use.(why elsel would they have it...). For those who says it is boring and no content....THE GAME IS NOT OUT YET SO HOW CAN U KNOW
Third i would like to say that both games will attract different crouds...one will not own the other: GW is for people who are less hardcore gamers who just want to have fun and are on a tighter budjet(perfect for me--im cheap). WOW however will attract more hardcore gamers who are more into mmorpgs and have played many games before and are willing to pay a monthly fee and blizzard fans of course(even though some of GW's employees are ex- blizzard employees).
GW strategy--the reason they have no mothly fee is because they figure it will increase there fanbase to big enough so they will have have sold tons of copies of the game so that the quantity of the games sold will make more money than if they had a monthly fee anyways. GW is trying to make a name for themselves and they are using a smart strategy--E3 event and no monthly fee without those 2 thing GW would still be unknown.
I prefer GW because it seems more original and fun based..... i dunno what WOW will offer that we havent seen before.
J.d.slanger-everything apeares to be a scam in this world when you first see it does'nt it.
J.d.slanger-everything apeares to be a scam in this world when you first see it does'nt it.
The Bottom line for me at least is that GW and WoW offer different experiences. Now since there will be no monthly fee and since i already know i love GW because i got to test it at E3 then i know for sure that im gonna buy that game. Most probably later on if i feel that i can afford to waste some cash on a monthly fee then i will also get WoW cuz i always loved the series.
But GW takes priority and the only way i would buy WoW before GW is if the release date for GW is wayyyy after that of WoW.
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I have read what you have to say which is limited to you making stuff up as you go and no accual real facts. You say you have seen screen shots of GW's but you have not seen the game but unlike you I have.. The graphics are great I love them.. You say will shove facts into peoples faces yet you have yet to post even one fact to date of this post of yours.
I am sorry but your post is a joke and you can't expect anyone to take you as anything but also a joke.
OK I have ripped into one of your last posts where you had no facts at all when you ripped into mine but you have some here however you seem to have no knowledge of GW's but lots on WoW. I know both games and I have to say you compare WoW to that crap from sony called EQ. But your facts here seem to not compair to GW's. I would like to take a few minutes to compare what you have here to GW's just so you know.
1. GW's quests are great as they let you accually affect the world which WoW does not. In GW's you can set a birdge on fire and watch it burn down so no one can cross. You can't do this in any other MMoRPG. All GW's quests are instanced so you can solve quests anyway you like without affecting others.
2. GW's you can Teleport to anywhere in the game instantly so there is no need for any other form of transportation because you can already get everyhwere instantly.
3. GW has a fame system and every character gets fame points for doing things. Anyone can become a true champion in GW just like in WoW.
Now I will agree WoW is a great game and I will not post that its crappy in any way. On this I agree with you. However WoW is not going to get the box sales of GW's because people that are casual games will not want to pay to play when they don't have to. People that can't pay to play will also get GW before WoW. And last but not least people that do play WoW will still get GW's just to have a change from time to time and they don't have to maintain a pay account to do so.
So one pure box sales I believe GW will beat WoW.. Which game will I spend more time in well that I can't say until there both released.. Point is both games are great but I think GW will win the box sales.
And yet without any real info you make up your mind based off one thing that its free?
I have a RL friend like you and he is an EQ freak plays the game every day. He said GW's will be crap because its free and no MMoRPG will be good if its free. So I challanged him to try the free Demo now he can't wait for GW to come out. He also doesn't want to go to WoW because he hates blizzards ability to support its products. So he sounds like you so I put the same challange to you try it then post..
Well at least you admit your ingorance.. Even the demo of GW's had crafting.
Bull my monk/warrior owned anyone I came against... I won't tell you how because thats my secret just to say no one could hit me for more than 20 damage and I could hit for 60+ and heal plus had perm regen.
However thats not the point here. The point is you can combine any 2 classes to make whever you like so there is a ballance. But really no MMoRPG to date has true balance as its not possible to have perfect balance without making the exact same classes. How could you ever balance a warrior and a healer without giving a warrior heals and a healer warrior attacks, and then there not distinct classes anymore. So I personally will never play a balanced game or it would be crap.
I think someone got owned!
I couldn't agree more with most of what you've said Crowen. Good Job!
Edit : As for GraPHics, GWs' are so much better than WoWs' for many technical and artistical reasons, words from a 3d artist... myself.
"I am trying to see things from your perspective but I just can't get my head that far up my @$$."
Hey something just occured to me.
Let's make a serious of attributes and state which is the best game in which area. PLease feel free to expand on them and add more sub-categories or super-categories.
We state which game comes out on top in each category.
Graphics: GW
Sound: dunno
Quests: GW (alot funner and interactive).
Leveling: GW
Content: WOW
Monthly Fee: GW
Immersive factor: WOW
World Size: WOW
Variety of Races: WOW
Variety of weapons: WOW
Variety of Customization: Close, but probably WOW
Patches/updates: GW
Expansion Packs: GW
PVP system: GW
PVE system: WOW will have more hunting areas, but GW will be funner so tough call, but I'll say WOW
Travel: GW
Economy: GW
Crafting: WOW
Lag: GW
Skills: WOW
Magic: WOW
Servers: GW (since wow will have shards and gw won't, gw comes out clearly on.top here)
Inhabited persistant world: WOW
Ok, can't think of any more.
My totals so far:
GW = 11
WOW = 11
Haha came out tied completly unintentionally
Keep adding to my list and if you disagree with any category leader please state which and why and total your own list.
I'm hoping we can come up with about 100 categories
Interesting way of solving that...
maybe now everyone will shut up and stick to their own forum area
i'm glad certain people will be playing EQ so they can stay away from GW and not ruin it