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I've read lots of changes but...
I am just wondering if all the efforts that LA is going threw in order to make the game more entertaining is working. I've read about the class stat buffs and the racial buffs, but is everything in the game still soloable? I quit the day I solo'd HK cuz I just thought it was absurd. Is the beastmaster stuff enough to pull people back who died a little when they got rid of bio-engineering and creature handling?
It appears they have been making an assload of changes, but it just doesn't seem like it is living up to the past glory of even the CU, let alone pre-patch 6 (which i learned to accept and quit till the CU). I know I will get people from both sides of the isle, but hell there just isn't anything worth my time out there currently and until Bio-Ware steps up to the plate and says they are making a kotor mmo i've really got nothing to look forward to.
Really in the end are the new changes worth coming back to even try (Just don't wanna spend the 15 bucks to reactivate and log off 2 hours later like I did 8 or so months ago).
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I have played SWG off and on since the begining. Currently i am having quite a bit of fun with the new changes that have come to the game recently.
Controls and UI are fully customizable ( get back to the classic settings, takes some trial and error though)
Reverse Engineering (creating power ups, clothing attachments, and armor attachments)
Beast Mastery (A simplified version of CH but definately cool to have back in the game)
Entertainers (now they can give good buffs, and they can even fight via TKM skills)
Stuff is still soloable but not like it was. Much harder and its best to have a little help. Some aspects seem imposible to get past. (not gonna spoil it)
Expertise system (points that can be allocated to certain skills)
Its still class and lvl based, but i do feel the new dev team is trying very hard to make the game playable again. The community seems to be looking up since the game has become more complex, i see less and less kiddies running around. I've seen a lot of vets returning and building up the community again. Give it a try, you never know, you might get hooked again.
This is all just my opinion of course. I'm just having too much fun ATM.
Are the changes worth coming back to play?
Short answer: No.
Are the changes worth coming back to play?
Short answer: No.
What he said. No, And I tried it out just this last few month(s) again. Sadly no.
mmorpg's flop faster then mcdonalds cheese burgers these days.
Disgruntle Vet Alert!
Disgruntle Vet Alert!
Pay little attention to these types of users that are from the Disgruntle Veteran Section of this forum. They have nothing better to do then attack a game they no longer play. Unfortunately some Veterans just dont know when to let go and move on. As much time as they waste posting negative remarks about their SWG experience, they could of been doing something more constructive with their time. They should of went with Geico!
Currently Playing: AO and FE.
It would be nice, however, if people could avoid the value-less one-line posts. If you think changes are not worth coming back for, tell us all WHY.
Oh....and bewicked, your post added no content in the way of providing an answer or opinion that may help the OP, so don't be so quick to criticize and try to refrain from using LARGE irritating fonts to make your non-point.
To the OP...
Like you, I am also reading the forums intently as of late. I too, am looking for some news of changes that will bring some measure of the complex, unique, and fun game that I once knew and loved.
What I read that troubles me most about the current game is the childish/cartoony particle effects and lack of the beautiful, fun-to-watch combat animations that we once enjoyed pre-NGE. I tried the game for a few weeks post-NGE (couldn't quit right away as my CU Jedi was still relatively new to me), but I was SOOOOO disappointed--or rather disGUSTED--by the Benny Hill, crack-speed, 1-dimensional combat animations that had replaced the gorgeous animations (for all melee including Jedi) which once were.
If you decide to resub....please post your opinions of the game.
**Returned SWG player**
IGN: Gindacca, RACE: Wookiee
OLD GUILD: [cCc] (aka: BOC)
NEW GUILD: -SAS-
PROF: Light Jedi (elder)
(pre-NGE PROF: TKM/Master Swordsman)
SERVER: Chimaera (Euro)
Beast Mastery is fun and it takes a group effort from all Trader professions to make what is necessary.
If you quit because of the solo issue then yeah, you should come back and try soloing now. lol
The game is fun to me but I've played since launch soooooooo
To the OP,
SWG is what you make of it, if you are looking for a MMO with ENDGAME MATERIAL with raiding and uber loot. You may be in the wrong game. Star Wars Galaxies in my opinion is a game where you meet online friends and join in the Story of the Star Wars Legacy.
Dont get me wrong, SWG does have pretty cool things to offer, but is how you look at it. Apparently you played SWG before, especially you saying you solo'd HK. That game version of SWG no longer exist. All the mobs have been beefed up and I can gurantee you wont be able to solo HK now. You wont be able to get a Jinzu Hilt easily nor a Old Republic hilt if your striving for a Jedi LS.
And if you are going in the game and EXPECTING PRE CU changes, I would just stay out of the game and look for another mmo.
Even though SWG has come along way since the debut of the NGE system, if you are a veteran to this game and hoping it to be the same game 4 years ago, you will be upset.
But if you can accept change and play the game for what it is now, you will have a blast!
There is some resemblance of the PreCu implemented in the game now and you will only reconize it if your a veteran of SWG.
I just say as I see it and apparently that user I was quoting doesnt even play SWG and is stating a opinion which is irrelevant. Since they dont play it star wars anymore. In which that I am playing star wars and enjoying it!
Currently Playing: AO and FE.
I actually quit when the CU came in, never mind the NGE
However, I logged in for a laugh two days ago, and found that the NGE has been polished to a workable and basically fun game system. It played nice and smoothly.
Then I went back to my old city. It had been the biggest city, population-wise, on the server and it was hard to see it reduced so much. It's still big and active (apparently, but I logged on very off-peek time) but houses that had been there since week 1 (when the city patch went live late 2003) were gone, the original cantina was gone...
Of course, none of this should be used to judge the game as it is right now.
I suppose what I'm saying is that imo they have worked very hard to bring the NGE up to standard, and it's getting there. For me, the absence of my old community makes it too much for me to bother playing again, but aside from that I would honestly give it more of a go.
Thanks for the feedback guys.
I may resub when I head back up to college since I have 2 weeks to kill in my new house before school starts. The solo thing was one of my biggest issues to tell ya the truth. Being able to just sit in front of Shir-Kar and get the easy kill for the republic hilt or snare solo HK really killed the game for me in the end. If they have beefed up the AI that is great as I still remember the days when random rancors on Dath were a bitch to solo if you even could without exploiting the fact they had terrible terrain negotiation.
I had a Mswords/Mdoc/32XX TK if I remember correctly prior to the NGE and had spec'd jedi come NGE since that was the only melee class left which really kinda pissed me off cuz I loved my hammer. Been reading about the changes all around and it seems like spys and commandos both have a melee aspect to them now which is cool.
I might just check it out next week since a few people have said they have changed what really pushed me over the edge of disliking the game. Just teetering on the edge of quiting still kept me entertained!
If you see a Hubert Farnsworth on Bria say hey.
If you're seeking online intertainment then any game is worth checking out. You should be the only person dictating what to play.
The OP was clearly asking for opinions. It's more concerning to see someone flame another for giving when a person asks in a thread. Profiling and prejudice is a VERY serious concern when it's being enofrced for petty online gaming differences. It's never justifiable to attack someone for not liking - what the OP asks about the game - just becuase it's not a picture of roses.
The game is not great. While it *is* a lot better then the catastrophic launch and corrupt marketing which accounted for Wire Fraud by Sony Online Entertainment it goes without saying that there was *no* way to make the game any worse, but there have be improvements since.
Everyone knows that one of the main issues with SOE is their inabiilty to focus on a game play model without chaning their direction every 6 months. With the "new game enhancements" there had been many complete rewrites of the combat mechanics.
The twitch based interface is still the same although it's less dependant now. A big problem is the UI and controls for the game are down right horrible! The best deffinition for this is "clunky" and can only be reduced, but not eliminated, through extensive modification of the controls.
Weapons are now dealing relvant damage. The nge cuased all weapons to be nothing but a "prop" to facilitate combat. The stats had no effect and a lvl 1 CDEF was able to do as much damage as a looted lvl 90 weapon, but not any more; there's still plenty of fuzzy math.
Classes were overyly simplified and generic for the "nge". Now each class has a range of "specialties" (borrowed from other game formats such as Diablo 2 and WoW) which can assist in defining a character and the user's playstyle.
I believe the game has gone through 3 true revamps post "nge" although I could be a little off; maybe 4? The current developers appear to be working to replace as much of what was removed as possible without re-redesigning the game to the extreme of what the "nge" did.
There's been many statements from SOE and Lucas Arts which had acknowledged the disaster of the "new game enhancements". They not only have admitted their mistakes but are attempting to correct them through further development.
That all being said, is the game worth it in my opinion? No. It will never be. This also goes with all SOE and Lucas Arts products. They openly admitted they did not care about their subscribers were more then willing to committed the deceptive marketing practices which led to Wire Fraud in the view it would attract a ten-fold of new players. I would and could NEVER recomend an SOE or Lucas Arts project on these grounds.
We must not condone the acts committed by these companies for doing so only supports the deception of consumers.
But, the game has improved since the "nge" was rushed out. In the end, you can paint a turd gold, but it's still a turd.
"There was lots of reading, much too much, in the game. There was a lot of wandering around learning about different abilities. We really needed to give people the experience of being Han Solo or Luke Skywalker rather than being Uncle Owen... More instant gratification: kill, get treasure, repeat"- Nancy McIntyre, SWG Senior Director / Lucasarts
Well, being a new player and never having played pre anything, I really enjoy SWG. I like the character classes that are available and the combat. Also, while I haven't done much I like the space combat. I feel for vets, it was one way and then SOE yanked it out from under you. I have spoken with vets of SWG where I work, even during the NGE and they all said the same thing. But since I started playing I have enjoyed it. What I don't like is vets telling newbies that SWG is never going to be as good as it was and they should not play. What doesn't bother me is vets telling other vets "yeah I logged in and it wasn't what I wanted/ remebered so you, as a vet, probably wont like it either." As far as trying to make a point to SOE, not my job. If vets want to make that point go get em, cuase guys have a legit beef. Me I just want to play a game.
Yeah you are going to these types of x-players and players of SWG now.
1. Veterans that miss Pre Cu and to this day curse SOE for what they did years ago. (however, many claim to play a few hours and cancel their account immediately, only to them, its still garbage and wouldnt even recommend it to their ex girlfriend new lover). They intend to talk about Bioware KOTOR-MMO alot and mention about SWG Emulators. Alot of their information is just irrelevant since they dont even play and more like cut and paste from other pissed off veterans. These folks are known as (Hate-bois) if you speak leet.
2. Veterans that miss Pre Cu, but have moved on. These types of veterans been around as well and except the game for what it is, of course they are still pissed at what happened, but still enjoy playing the game now and then. And really dont give a rats ass whats going to happen to this game, as long as they are having fun. (They always ask.. Is SWG any good these days?)
3. Veterans that miss Pre Cu but still play to this day. They remenisce still about the golden days, but have gotten over it. (These folks are known as (Fan-bois). Just the because you play SOE SWG you will be crucified with this leet title). This is pretty much the title I have on this website.
3. New Players which think this game is great since they dont know what Pre CU was all about and can't figure out why so much hate to SWG by the Pissed off vets.
Also, please feel free to illiterate, since this is Only a Opinion of what I think.
I just say as I see it and apparently that user I was quoting doesnt even play SWG and is stating a opinion which is irrelevant. Since they dont play it star wars anymore. In which that I am playing star wars and enjoying it!
If that's the way you see it...you may want to get glasses. Ave Bethos (regardless of how inflamatory his posts can be) is definitely a vet. Maybe the most disgruntled of us all. lol
To think that the opinion of one that doesn't currently play is irrelevant, makes you short-sighted.
To think that your post IS more relevant than others--even though you didn't add content in the way of an opinion or information that would help the OP--is ignorant in the least...arrogant, IMO.
**Returned SWG player**
IGN: Gindacca, RACE: Wookiee
OLD GUILD: [cCc] (aka: BOC)
NEW GUILD: -SAS-
PROF: Light Jedi (elder)
(pre-NGE PROF: TKM/Master Swordsman)
SERVER: Chimaera (Euro)
I just say as I see it and apparently that user I was quoting doesnt even play SWG and is stating a opinion which is irrelevant. Since they dont play it star wars anymore. In which that I am playing star wars and enjoying it!
If that's the way you see it...you may want to get glasses. Ave Bethos (regardless of how inflamatory his posts can be) is definitely a vet. Maybe the most disgruntled of us all. lol
To think that the opinion of one that doesn't currently play is irrelevant, makes you short-sighted.
To think that your post IS more relevant than others--even though you didn't add content in the way of an opinion or information that would help the OP--is ignorant in the least...arrogant, IMO.
Not to butt in at the situation at hand, but its how you look at it. This could be read in several ways.
If someone doesnt play SWG, then what good is their opinion or facts to help out the OP? I am just curious about this.
I came back to try beastmaster a month ago and stopped after two weeks. BM is fun and it was done very well I thought. The problem I had with it was you can not make new pets as house decorations. The old CH deeds could be dropped as decoration. If you had a creature in your data pad from the old days you have the option of "stuffing" it into a house decoration in BM. But no new ones can be made into a house decoration at all and there is no word if they will ever allow it. Since there is a limit in the datapad on pets, this means there is no way to build a collection unless you want to pay a gozillion creds for sombone's Chuba (frog) that was in their datapad before BM.
Not being able to make new "house pets" made the end result not fun for me even though the process of making a pet/mount was.
So I left again.
"Suddenly, thousands of Trekies whose heads are full of facts of things like the stardate when the Cardassians farted on Deep Space nine are irrlelevant." - hardcoremoviecritic
Exactly! I have played SWG trial and this game looks very good. I never understand why so many ppl hate SOE for this game. I have only two problems so far, very ugly animations (especialy human death) and low pop in game, there werent much crafted items, lonly cities and so on...
I also played EQ2 and I think its best MMORPG. For only this two games (if no others) I think SOE deserves some respect.
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quote for the op of this thread:
"NGE-star wars galaxies is like tinting shit to pink, it looks nice, but underneath the color its still shit..."
maybe this quote makes you wonder why the game has not improved since the NGE
"You must be either retarded or a fanboi..."
I just say as I see it and apparently that user I was quoting doesnt even play SWG and is stating a opinion which is irrelevant. Since they dont play it star wars anymore. In which that I am playing star wars and enjoying it!
If that's the way you see it...you may want to get glasses. Ave Bethos (regardless of how inflamatory his posts can be) is definitely a vet. Maybe the most disgruntled of us all. lol
To think that the opinion of one that doesn't currently play is irrelevant, makes you short-sighted.
To think that your post IS more relevant than others--even though you didn't add content in the way of an opinion or information that would help the OP--is ignorant in the least...arrogant, IMO.
Not to butt in at the situation at hand, but its how you look at it. This could be read in several ways.
If someone doesnt play SWG, then what good is their opinion or facts to help out the OP? I am just curious about this.
Who knows if he's resubbed or whatever? If only ppl who are actually playign the game _right now_ can post, then almost all posts would be kinda like "I love the game, as a matter of fact I'm playing it and enjoying it now"
There's a reason me and others are NOT playing, it's coz I've come back and tried this game maybe 5-6 times since CU and it sucks so much that I have to cancel after just a few days of playing
I can see your point if a totally new player asks for opinions, coz he wouldnt care shit about preCU SWG... but a veteran will have played the game at basically all stages and will have a different point of view and might actually have some use of other vets opinions
to OP: if money is not an issue, sub a month and try it. that's the only way you'll know for sure imo. for me the combat is just awful, its a fastforward phoney combat to gief the illusion of well... fast combat. And you can see the total lack of consistency, like say if you do the numbercrunch in WoW, you see that stats and spells and everything intertwine... in SWG numbers are just thrown in at random, there's no big plan at work which brings everything together. But anyways, like someone said before get yourself an awesome guild and almost any game will be fun
**EDIT** I'm not gonna say SWG is total rubbish, BUT you cant ignore the fact that StarWars is huge on the gaming scene, which makes me wonder why SWGalaxies is such a total failure when it comes to subscriptions... I mean if the game is in fact as great as some ppl say...
"If only ppl who are actually playign the game _right now_ can post, then almost all posts would be kinda like 'I love the game, as a matter of fact I'm playing it and enjoying it now'
"I can see your point if a totally new player asks for opinions, coz he wouldnt care shit about preCU SWG... but a veteran will have played the game at basically all stages and will have a different point of view and might actually have some use of other vets opinions
"
Well said, ormstrunga.
I have nothing more to add...
**Returned SWG player**
IGN: Gindacca, RACE: Wookiee
OLD GUILD: [cCc] (aka: BOC)
NEW GUILD: -SAS-
PROF: Light Jedi (elder)
(pre-NGE PROF: TKM/Master Swordsman)
SERVER: Chimaera (Euro)
Ok, forget that this is an soe game. I came back for the new BM, and quit again. Some of the infamous time sinks where removed, but to me the new bm just smacked of a huge time sink, not to mention the huge expense of it all. I did have fun for a bit and the games at least as good as the games out today. But with so many players having huge amounts of coin it's rather hard to jump into it now and make headway. not to mention the cost to transfer your toon to a server that actually has players on it. So it all comes down to if you like the game. Screw the past, it's gone. You may like it, I didn't and that has nothing to do with the old game. I think the main reason was that the new bm update seemed more like a crafting update than anthing else, that and it was made so that a new player had little to no chance to get anywhere with it.
I started before the CU. I don't currently play (waiting for news of a miraculous return to something that resembles pre-CUNGE), however, I don't mind to tell you that it requires patience to be successful in SWG (or at least how I knew the game).
To be honest....I only barely tried a bit of crafting. Combat and questing was my thing. That too, though, required a lot of patience. Not only did I have to grind all my skills out, I needed credits to buy armor, weapons, foods, spice, replacement speeders (for trips to Village past angry nightsisters...lol) and buff after buff after buff......
. I never got "rich", but I ended up with enough credits for someone that did virtually no crafting/trading. I think most of the credits I earned later on were from space mission pay-outs. As a Jedi....I didn't feel like I needed much anyway. I never was able to buy an ADK...lol.
If you want to be BM, trader, or whatever....you have to be patient. You're not going to make huge coin just starting out (unless you're a true entreprenuer). I have known super successful traders on multiple servers in the past. None of them were able to do it without working at it for months. Btw...I played for about 1 year until I got to the point where I felt I had acheived some measure of success.
**Returned SWG player**
IGN: Gindacca, RACE: Wookiee
OLD GUILD: [cCc] (aka: BOC)
NEW GUILD: -SAS-
PROF: Light Jedi (elder)
(pre-NGE PROF: TKM/Master Swordsman)
SERVER: Chimaera (Euro)
I did the free trial and was having a pretty good time so I resubscribed . Made a crafter, which was easy lv'ing and got him up to around 40, kept my lv 80 on hold for the bm update. I probably would not have had any trouble raising the coin to jump into bm, heck, I had 40 or so stuffed pets, some of which were rather sought after, plus all the items from 03 onward.
Don't know, I think it was the fact that the devs brought out an update that was so dependent on having a huge amount of coin, not to mention a rather timely process, just to be able to get into the dance rather turned me off. I started playing less and less and just canceled. Many thought it was great and it was a very good step, I just didn't care for the dependence on so many crafters and having to pay for all of that. not my idea of BM.
On the plus side crafting was fun, never tried that before, speeders and mounts, riding about killing stuff was more fun that the current crop of hack and slash out there. so all and all not a bad game. Soe really needs to get off that 50 dollar transfer fee though, they may keep a few more returning players.
I agree that BM, like CH, shouldn't rely on credits to be successful. A player should be able to go naked into the wild (protected only with scouting/CH skills), find a baby critter, and tame it--or die trying.
**Returned SWG player**
IGN: Gindacca, RACE: Wookiee
OLD GUILD: [cCc] (aka: BOC)
NEW GUILD: -SAS-
PROF: Light Jedi (elder)
(pre-NGE PROF: TKM/Master Swordsman)
SERVER: Chimaera (Euro)
i just dont get it why people come in the current game forum and proceed to lash out at the current game theve barely or not even played . to any new player ignore these numbnuts most off them are just pissed they dont have there buff bots anymore wether dancer or doctor to make them credits they sold on ebay . the orginal game was badly flawed and buggy as hell . the obscene sight off two 4 hours buffs letting you solo a theme park etc etc . endless grinding on dino on dantooine that many lost the families too cause they wanted to grind a jedi .the orginal was not the hollowed ground they try make it and the current incarnation makes you team play . unlike the old pre nge where the only time you needed to group was the corvette . as for communtey the boast about well sorry numbnuts but the communtey atmosphere is growing again cause players are the ones that create that and was only lost cause you spat out the dummy and unsubscribed