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SOE just don't have the talent Blizzard have...
moostown
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Watching the new Expansion trailer (link on mmorpg.com homepage) and the enviroments look AMAZING. The artwork and effort Blizzard go into is just sooo amazing with that real lovely handcrafted feel and stamp of polish they have! I'm not saying WOW doesn't have faults but the graphics and artwork and polish is just something SOE fail to capture.
Problem i've had with SOE games is they're sooooo bland and generic like EQ and EQ2 + Planetside etc etc. They just don't have that epic feel or that art style that really draws you in like Blizzard have with WOW. EQ2 really puts me off because it's zoned to shit and always loading up new zones which destroys the immersive feel they were trying to capture with the game. Also EQ2's graphics are just pure SHIT cause they're sooo bland and ugly, specially the plastic looking character models. Try going to TS or Antonica + others in EQ2 and you see what i mean.
Planetside i'm not sure what people they had working there but some real big retards to come up with we'll make blur purle and red armor and thats as far as we go with artwork, we'll just put in some generic models and vehicles and there we go. Planetside never felt like a war it just looked like a poor free game beta they had running as a test lol. If you want a "WAR" feel then go watch the E3 2007 Killzone 2 trailer, thats how to capture the atmosphere of a war.
SWG while i didn't mind the graphics cause it suited the Star Wars universe and they were quite detailed and nice, i hated the way everything felt pre generated. We never got any amazing new landscapes to look at or explore and all the new quests and stuff were justt hat same old Squill cave or that same old bunker lol. Where were the epic places that amazed you in SWG? Do the legacy quest and you'll see what i mean lol.
Blizzard just have the talent that is beyond anyone else in the mmorpg industry and mark my words the only mmorpg that will be bigger than WOW in the western world is WOW2 or WOS or maybe even WOD lol.
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oh boy you are going to get some flaming for this thread, i think ill pass on another ban...........
That's why nearly every idea in WoW was borrowed from EQ. They're even creating expansions the way SoE did for EQ, creating mostly max level raid content. The Death Knight class? Sounds a whole lot like a Shadowknight to me.
You can deny this influence all you want, but just watch the 1UP interview with WoW's creaters and clock how much of the interview is dominated by how much they loved EQ, one of them even stating he thinks it's one of the top 3 games of all time.
I see your point, there problem is simple. They aren't hiring me, thank you for re-affirming me of that.
So what EQ didn't event the RPG format nore was it a popular game, EQ was back then and WOW is now stop looking in the past cause SOE have not made one good game since.
The artwork is fantastic much better than anything SOE has produced or any other mmorpg company.
Name one good mmorpg apart from WOW? Oh wait they all suck.
Seems like on these boards it's ok to defend a game thats shit just because people think it makes them "Hardcore" but it's not ok to defend WOW because apparently it makes you a "noob" well let me tell you that WOW is the best mmorpg on the market not that you have to agree, however stop slagging it off.
well i think the new wow patch is gonna be really cool i mean i have always wanted to go to northrean and prehaps they will open gilnaes i think that areas in world of watcraft should be set so that pvpers can fight for control of it like its ruled by another person or somthing like that.
hey i wil give you a point for the truth that wow is nice BUT
as a former wow player i can see that wow is a nice game
but all they do is to make mmorpgs to easy ( lv 0-70+kara) in 30days
the grafix is ok but after my taste to catoonis
and endgame in wow is kind of crap there are only 2 real options
raid or pvp and after they removed the rank system pvp went kind of crap
raid in kara is kind of a 2. job if one play a healer class
dont know aboudt black temple so that i dont coment
and now to the other part of company flamining
i must say i am becomming a real eq2 fan
becuase
i like the pve fun and a challenge ( is a newb )
the world pvp is ffa and i love it even if i get ganked 5 time in a hour
and i have heard that the end game in eq2 is very challenging
well back to topic
the grafix in soe games well i play swg and planet side and eq2
well the grafix in eq2 is very nice i wil point out
the grafix in planet side is a bit outdatet
the grafix in swg is ok but then again
and i tryed vanguard and it nearly killed my grafix card
well so my response for your point of wiew is
that you are maybe a bit to hasty to jump to conclusions
this is not a troll or flaming but a honost reply whit my opinion
aboudt the blizard/soe war
bedst regard
I guess if you like cartoons its ok.
OP makes a valid point though.
SOE make games for profit only, it's like an industrial sweatshop, as evidenced by it's Station Pass. They don't publish or make them out of desire, like you would expect out of family owned businesses, like restauraunts, florists, bakeries, etc. Maybe a bad analogy, but i'm tired.
I don't like Blizzard anymore because it has been well over a month and a half and they still haven't fixed the "computer-reboots-itself" bug and the "game-freezes-up" bug so they get no more love and money from me.
I'd actually like to say that neither of them has "talent".. Tell me one feature in WoW which is unique. New sets of armors, new quests (which will probably be "Kill X of that monster"), one new class and so on....... When can the innovative part within Blizzard ever stop
The siege weapons will be the only great thing that the new expansion brings but that will probably only be available in various of instances -.-
And, OP, I have to agree with you. The world itself is vibrant and full of depth, even if the gameplay isn't.
instanced siegeweapons for sure... or at least static.
OP makes a good case imo when saying all SOE does is shit and then crying when ppl say "WoW aint all that m8". Made my day at least
the OP is comparing two different generations of MMO's toward each other when he mentions everquest, and the Everquest 2 graphics and environment are pretty good imo, plus i think WoW has been losing subscribers, causing them to rush another expansion (they seriosly just came out wioth one and now htey announce another?), which doesnt seem to offer that much and they better not screw up with it like they did BC (like gear becoming totally obsolete from the main client) and they hopefully will fix flying mounts, i still am not going to play it though cause i got wornm out on the graphics and artwork
blizzard, talent, and WoW, 3 things i never thought to see in 1 sentence.. i'm not a fan of SoE neither, but if you're saying WoW has better gfx then EQ2, buy a better gfx card
You know it, the best way to realize your dreams is waking up and start moving, never lose hope and always keep up.
the OP has a point...but to be honest i thought eq2 looked kinda bland...until i got a 8800gtx and everything is on max settings with my card on 16x/16q. ni-i-i-i-ce...( although i really cant tell the diff between 8x/8q and 16x/16q in eq2)
/drool
as far as the blizzard xpak..it does INDEED look nice!....but it looks like a Guildwars zone, no? a very good use of lower graphics to its fullest...kind of reminisent of when Donkey Kong country came out and people with their new platforms were like..."Omg!...they can do THAT with a nintendo!??!"
mheh
it looks nice and all......but i like the high graphic count in eq2 for landscape. too bad most players cant run it or simply go out and buy a 8800 or 7950sli.
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i could be wrong, but i thought siege like things also are something of AoC, if they're anything near the sieges in WoW that is ^^
You know it, the best way to realize your dreams is waking up and start moving, never lose hope and always keep up.
instanced siegeweapons for sure... or at least static.
OP makes a good case imo when saying all SOE does is shit and then crying when ppl say "WoW aint all that m8". Made my day at least
The siege weapons are in instance and in the RvR zone and are player controlled moved & fired.Blizzard are I like to call me the happy chappies of MMO's, they like to have fun in the game and it shows in the zones, gfx and content, where as EQ2 style games are more serious and more strict and want to mold the player into a serious, straight faced RP'er... thats no fun IMHO.
the hardcore raiders are a minority
i stinks when you lose in the battlegrounds couse the other guy got the overpowered equipment from spending day and night in instances
and you know he has no skill and you see how bad he plays but you still cant kill him couse of the difference of the equipment
and you hate this so youre really pleased when all his equipment becomes trash
i at least enjoyed laughting at them
Pi*1337/100 = 42
the hardcore raiders are a minority
i stinks when you lose in the battlegrounds couse the other guy got the overpowered equipment from spending day and night in instances
and you know he has no skill and you see how bad he plays but you still cant kill him couse of the difference of the equipment
and you hate this so youre really pleased when all his equipment becomes trash
i at least enjoyed laughting at them
yeah, but the BS expansion was grouped toward raiding, and i bet they are gonna do the same with the new one, i dont like how they make it where you have to be high lvl to experience the new expansion, the new drainae and blood elf zones were a letdown
I will just point out that in WAR you will be able to use Instanced Siege wepons such as cannons and catapults. I belive that for example the Dwarfs have a whole class devoted to deploying such things so considering that War has been in development for sometime and this expansion hasant, id suspect [tho i could be wrong] that there is some validaty in saying that WoW copied there Siegewepon system off someone else too.
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-- Jean Rostand
IMO the only thing original in WoW is the graphics, which is just a zoomed in version of Warcraft 3, and some of the lore
Since WoW just hit 9 million subscribers you would be incorrect when you think they are losing subscribers. Maybe it will when someone makes a game that is worth playing, but not for the time being.
Observer hit the nail on the head though. The only passion SOE has is for money and there is little room for imagination creativity and style in their rush rush timeframe that causes all their titles to launch unfinished and uninspiring. There it plenty of talent at SOE, but it is stiffled by the management teams desire to milk the consumer. That is why you get some real flashes of greatness, but overall a bland lifeless product.