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Second Life: Linden Lab Supplies Subpoenaed Data
Szark
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Linden Lab has supplied the real world identity of one of their users in compliance with a subpoena relating to a copyright lawsuit filed buy another user against the first.
SECOND LIFE, August 6 (Reuters) - Linden Lab has complied with a subpoena requesting an avatar's real-world identity in a Second Life copyright lawsuit, a lawyer for the plaintiff said on Monday.
Second Life firm Eros, run by Kevin Alderman (Second Life: Stroker Serpentine) sued resident Volkov Catteneo in July, charging he illicitly sold copies of Eros' "SexGen" bed. As part of the lawsuit, Eros subpoenaed PayPal and Linden Lab in an attempt to discover Catteneo's real-world identity.
PayPal complied with the subpoena last month.
Catteneo told Reuters that he provided fake information while registering with Linden, and predicted Eros would be unable to find him.
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I think this is great! Here we have a world that is set up so we can all have a good time, have an alternative life if we want, and then you get a turd like this who wants to take advantage of it to rip other people off of their hard work.
I hope the data they received lets them nail him to the wall!
Tarl
Catteneo provided fake information when he made the account. It will make it that much harder to find the real person behind the avatar. So maybe Kevin Alderman might turn around and sue Linden Lab for not verifying a person's identity. This is a huge bone of contention between paid users, who are verified, and unpaid users who are not. Maybe this'll get LL to change their policy. Ah well, this is embarrassing all around since it involves a sex bed. Geez people. And I don't know how it could have been stolen unless Mr. Alderman mistakenly sold Catteneo a copyable version of the bed. So, if that's the case, Mr. Alderman was careless and should have just moved on and cut his losses. Maybe create a new and better version of the bed. This kind of thing happens every day in SL. People who do not fully understand how to set permissions on their creations get ripped off all the time.
Lets Eat It!
Really at the moment poeple in an game start to seu each other over copyright stuff in game. Then the company making the game should really start wonding. They losing grip of there own game. They get seud for banning poeple, they have poeple sueing each other. Second life is litterly starting to become an world of it's own.
Actually, Linden Labs should be very happy this lawsuit is taking place. It will lessen the load (to some degree) of their need to police copyright infringement since many may be turned off from the idea with an actual court case which strips away anonymity. The whole point of building items or designing clothing in SL as a business is based on the fact that you retain Intellectual Property rights of the items you create. This lawsuit is a good thing for residents of Second Life.
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No offense to anyone who plays this game..or whatever it is..I find it to be rather creepy..reminds me of Tad Williams Otherland series...
D.
Things like this just go to show that Second Life is just an extention of real life; and a very miserable, shallow, and pointless exercise in real life at that.
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How is being in a 3D enivornment, no different that WoW, creepy? SO we're not killing Orcs or gaining levels. Big deal. We are socializing. We are building in 3D spaces. We are creating.....
......and yet everyone gives us shit for not being zombie gamers addicted to violent games....
And yes, SL is NOT a game.
Lets Eat It!
How is being in a 3D enivornment, no different that WoW, creepy? SO we're not killing Orcs or gaining levels. Big deal. We are socializing. We are building in 3D spaces. We are creating.....
......and yet everyone gives us shit for not being zombie gamers addicted to violent games....
And yes, SL is NOT a game.
SL is usually for people who didnt even have a first life to begin with =/
The Internet, Madden Football, World of Warcraft, Xbox Live....
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ALL extentions of real life.....
Just different forms of human activity....
all of which can be argued are pointless....
Lets Eat It!
How is being in a 3D enivornment, no different that WoW, creepy? SO we're not killing Orcs or gaining levels. Big deal. We are socializing. We are building in 3D spaces. We are creating.....
......and yet everyone gives us shit for not being zombie gamers addicted to violent games....
And yes, SL is NOT a game.
SL is usually for people who didnt even have a first life to begin with =/
Right. Tell me that next time you see me in real life. Okay?
Thanks for displaying your ignorance though. Good to know people like you won't be inside of Second Life. Most people in Second Life are smart. You have to be. I'm not sure if you would cut it. This is not go kill little orc here and get fake treasure. Don't be mad because you don't get Second Life. 
Lets Eat It!
How is being in a 3D enivornment, no different that WoW, creepy? SO we're not killing Orcs or gaining levels. Big deal. We are socializing. We are building in 3D spaces. We are creating.....
......and yet everyone gives us shit for not being zombie gamers addicted to violent games....
And yes, SL is NOT a game.
SL is usually for people who didnt even have a first life to begin with =/
Right. Tell me that next time you see me in real life. Okay?
Volotile much? I'm not trying to anger anyone. If you had read the Tad Williams series I'm talking about you would understand what I'm saying. It seems like a great tool for schools/interactive learning environment, etc. But other than that...a little on the weird side.(I'm not trying to say anything bad about anyone that uses it, just expressing an opinion.)
D.
Geez, it is a game, NOT real life.
That idiot who brought the copywrite suite needs to visit a shrink to get a grip on reality. If you take a game seriously, you have life altering issues that you should see someone about. The judge in this case if he had any brains should have thrown it out immediately.
Just a sad comentary on how ridiculous people go when it comes to the legal system and the idiots serving as judges.
The thing is he sells that said item for real money.. or ingame money then sells that or real money whatever..
So this is infact a business for him, someone stole somthing he coded himself in my optinion he has every right to sue that person..
Its like someone in real life stealing some software you made...
Look at facebook at the moment a very sililar situation..
Business in SL is very real and there is a lot of cash involved.
check this chick out..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anshe_Chung
First off can we stop using the term "create" in this thread....
Secondly can we stop using the term "Extension of real life."
No video game is either a "creation" nor an "extension of real life." They are simply forms of entertainment.
Sure you could argue that it is on some level a creation of the imaginative persons works. BUT, and I can't stress this enough... every video game out there is simply pixels on a video screen, whether it be an LCD Monitor or a television. The pixels don't sit and wait for your return, they literally go away when your computer or Xbox or PSIII are shut off. The concept of memory and the use of real world money has drawn so many into further thinking that somehow, someway, this stuff is almost "real." Until some "avatar" gets up and walks into your living room (in the real world folks not your pixeled image of a living room in a game) and shakes your hand and has responsive conversation... it is neither an extension of real life nor is it a creation.
There is a fine line to distinquishing between reality and fantasy and unfortunately those who play Second life have not only crossed it, but are swimming on the other side of it. Sad, truly sad.
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The way this mmo is set up gives me the impression that one can not call it a game.
I have tried it myself to see what it is like.I can understand why people would like it.It's a verry open sandbox....the best out here i'd say.Problem i have with it is the fact that it's moslty about reall cash and the "adult contributions" are mostly something i could do without in a game.I tried making stuff in the 2months or so i played and enjoyed that a lot.The people i encountered where all verry nice but most also had a "twitch".Mostly on the sexuall side but it gave me a bad impression of the world itself.Now it could be i just didn't walk into the right people regarding this but about 80% of the peops i talked with had this habbit of getting back to the sexchat/datechat.
Anyway what i wanted to say.Some people compare this game to games like wow.WoW is setup like a fantasy world.It is in no way reflective to our reall woreld...in NO way.Second life is another thing and in that way kinda is the odd child in the mmorpg-family.
I think if they didn't have the reall cash integrated it would be a lot better.But that's just me.
However, with that being said...i possess very little programing knowledge so i'll never be able to sue anything for my "creation"
"Second Life firm Eros, run by Kevin Alderman "
It's petty, greedy, Fools like Alderman, who insists on bringing real world Laws and Censorship and Control and Regulation into an environment that is meant to be FUN, who ruin the experience for the rest of the games citizens.
Nitwits like Alderman who are soooo eager to frivoluosly sue anyone and everyone who they think has done them wrong in virtual reality should really be careful they don't attract too much attention from the wrong folks, like the IRS for example, who might be interested to learn how much (or how little) in TAXES that Mr. Alderman has neglected to pay on his real world Game Business Profits.
"Second Life firm Eros, run by Kevin Alderman "
It's petty, greedy, Fools like Alderman, who insists on bringing real world Laws and Censorship and Control and Regulation into an environment that is meant to be FUN, who ruin the experience for the rest of the games citizens.
Nitwits like Alderman who are soooo eager to frivoluosly sue anyone and everyone who they think has done them wrong in virtual reality should really be careful they don't attract too much attention from the wrong folks, like the IRS for example, who might be interested to learn how much (or how little) in TAXES that Mr. Alderman has neglected to pay on his real world Game Business Profits.
Allthough i see your point and agree in some extend, in mypoint of view it's linden labs themselves who took the fun out.I understood that from the start the game got promoted as being something people could make profts with.Once you attrackt people for the purpose of investing money and then getting more back then invested you also attrackt the kind of people you wouldn't want in a game.That's also why i stated above that i don't see second life as a game.
There are a lot of people who have spent a lot of reall cash in this mmo.....too much to make it "just a game for fun".Also the "addictive" part of this mmo and the fact that it suggests you can have a 2nd life in it gives me the feeling that participating for a long time in this mmo can be damaging to your 1st life.I know you got addict in any mmo but i believe this one in particular sets the boundries a lot further then others do.
How is being in a 3D enivornment, no different that WoW, creepy? SO we're not killing Orcs or gaining levels. Big deal. We are socializing. We are building in 3D spaces. We are creating.....
......and yet everyone gives us shit for not being zombie gamers addicted to violent games....
And yes, SL is NOT a game.
Somebody tell this poor guy SL is NOT real and IT IS a video game/3d interactive world!!!
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This is a virtual item? If it is, how absurd, hope they never track down the guy. The guy sueing should be sent to an asylum for a sanity check.
Personally, best thing you can do is never use your real name when registering for a game. Who knows how that will get used. People just do not grasp just how such information can be used against you.
Edification for some of you, Linden Labs calls 2nd Life a game, hence it must be a game. If I were to classify it, I would just call it a 3D chatroom, but what do I know, only could stand it for a week before I deleted it.
Whats a SexGen bed?
*bangs head on keyboard*
SL isn't comparable to WoW or any other game not because you're not killing orcs or undead. But because a curiously large part of it's poulation, instead of killings orcs and undead, dresses up as a pink anamorphic cats and fucks yellow anamorhpic pigs.
The judge who took this case is an absolute moron. For far too many reasons to list here. The short list being: the owner gave the buyer the incorrect version of the owners item which was set to allow it to be copied. But since the owner and buyer are not in contract with each other, but linden, one can not ex part--
Why the hell am I arguing this???
I wish this site didn't have that stupid thing on the front page that shows recent posts...