"A 7600GT is sufficient enough to play all current MMORPG on high settings, much more you hardly know any difference and anything above this surely you got all features turned on but who cares, you don't notice much difference"
Completely untrue -
Dell 30" 2560x1600 resolution monitor The 8800gtx I have is the ONLY single solution card that lets me push every game at that res with most everything turned on - anything less and you have to dial it down severely to run at that res
Hardocp and many other reputable sites let you know that for running at high res the 8800gtx (or ultra) is the only single solution card that can handle all dx9 games reliably The 7600gt would choke at 2560x1600 with lots of animation going on screen
Well since I don't think more then maybe 1/2 of a Percent of the MMO population play at that insane of a resolution I don't see that as a major downfall. Those who have are hurting themselves. if your not 12 feet away from that monitor are putting a lot of strain on their eyes. I put my 24 inch Samsung and put it downstairs because its too big to comfortably play for many hours at a time.
Right , because no one dares buy the 30" Dell monitor - they don't sell many of those or the 27/28" ones there and on Newegg also -
And God forbid larger than 30" like say the Westinghouse 37" which is a great monitor for PC gaming also and very popular
The Westy has been getting more and more popular for almost two years now for a great PC monitor
Sorry you don't like more than 24" but it's quite common for people to have 27/28/30 and the Westy 37" monitor for pc gaming nowadays , and no ,everyone doesn't have to sit far away from them either
I used to have a 24" and now they seem bit too small for gaming for me
I don't see myself "hurting myself" with a 30 or 37" a few feet away on my large desk which is easy enough to do
my laptop only supports turion 64 processors ... as far as alienware has told me
And now we all know why you should never buy an Alienware. Allthough to be fair, the lack of upgradability in laptops is not exclusive to Alienware - they just whore the biggest overcharge for their obsolete before open products. The real lesson, never buy a laptop unless you absolutely need to use the compute rwhile on the move and expect to use it for a year or two and toss it away as dated. Also, never buy high dollar rigs - there is NO COMPUTER out there from any OEM (Alienware or otherwise) that is anything but tons more expensive than what you could build yourself, have a friend build, or have a local PC shop build.
"A 7600GT is sufficient enough to play all current MMORPG on high settings, much more you hardly know any difference and anything above this surely you got all features turned on but who cares, you don't notice much difference"
Completely untrue -
Dell 30" 2560x1600 resolution monitor The 8800gtx I have is the ONLY single solution card that lets me push every game at that res with most everything turned on - anything less and you have to dial it down severely to run at that res
Hardocp and many other reputable sites let you know that for running at high res the 8800gtx (or ultra) is the only single solution card that can handle all dx9 games reliably The 7600gt would choke at 2560x1600 with lots of animation going on screen
Omg don't you read the post before you reply??? I said nothing about running at higher resolutions. 2560x1600 WTH you talking about??? High settings as in game settings performance, a 7600gt can handle every game out now with high settings in game and look beautiful, then if you go extreme settings it looks little more beautiful on most games but no big differences that you will notice much.
Ohh btw if thats what you call HIGH settings for resolution, then what do you call max settings 4000X2000 LMAO And are you kidding me, how many gamers today play at those resolutions 2560X1600 WOW!!!
"A 7600GT is sufficient enough to play all current MMORPG on high settings, much more you hardly know any difference and anything above this surely you got all features turned on but who cares, you don't notice much difference"
Completely untrue -
Dell 30" 2560x1600 resolution monitor The 8800gtx I have is the ONLY single solution card that lets me push every game at that res with most everything turned on - anything less and you have to dial it down severely to run at that res
Hardocp and many other reputable sites let you know that for running at high res the 8800gtx (or ultra) is the only single solution card that can handle all dx9 games reliably The 7600gt would choke at 2560x1600 with lots of animation going on screen
Well since I don't think more then maybe 1/2 of a Percent of the MMO population play at that insane of a resolution I don't see that as a major downfall. Those who have are hurting themselves. if your not 12 feet away from that monitor are putting a lot of strain on their eyes. I put my 24 inch Samsung and put it downstairs because its too big to comfortably play for many hours at a time.
Right , because no one dares buy the 30" Dell monitor - they don't sell many of those or the 27/28" ones there and on Newegg also -
And God forbid larger than 30" like say the Westinghouse 37" which is a great monitor for PC gaming also and very popular
The Westy has been getting more and more popular for almost two years now for a great PC monitor
Sorry you don't like more than 24" but it's quite common for people to have 27/28/30 and the Westy 37" monitor for pc gaming nowadays , and no ,everyone doesn't have to sit far away from them either
I used to have a 24" and now they seem bit too small for gaming for me
I don't see myself "hurting myself" with a 30 or 37" a few feet away on my large desk which is easy enough to do
Dude your not everyone else, look at polls. You talk as if everyone is doing what you do, the fact is over 70% of PC gamers still use CRT's in the 19-22 inch range, and many those only run 1280X1024 resolution, you wont find many people willing to shell out that much cash for a monitor that large to play a game on, they rather have it for watching HD tv or movies.
Also I think that FAD is with younger people who are mostly buying them with money saved up and still living at home. Like I said not many have those kinds of setups or the cash to do it. It's just not practical yet. All these newer video cards don't offer much more, they only offer better FPS at the max or near max resolutions. So very few need them, and a 7600gt will play most these games if not all on high settings in game or maxed at 1280X1024... Your eyes don't see alot of FPS in games anyway. Sure if your going against 100 people in open areas FPS can be the king, but for most newer high end cards are overkill unless you plan to run extreme resolutions.
"A 7600GT is sufficient enough to play all current MMORPG on high settings, much more you hardly know any difference and anything above this surely you got all features turned on but who cares, you don't notice much difference"
Completely untrue -
Dell 30" 2560x1600 resolution monitor The 8800gtx I have is the ONLY single solution card that lets me push every game at that res with most everything turned on - anything less and you have to dial it down severely to run at that res
Hardocp and many other reputable sites let you know that for running at high res the 8800gtx (or ultra) is the only single solution card that can handle all dx9 games reliably The 7600gt would choke at 2560x1600 with lots of animation going on screen
Well since I don't think more then maybe 1/2 of a Percent of the MMO population play at that insane of a resolution I don't see that as a major downfall. Those who have are hurting themselves. if your not 12 feet away from that monitor are putting a lot of strain on their eyes. I put my 24 inch Samsung and put it downstairs because its too big to comfortably play for many hours at a time.
Right , because no one dares buy the 30" Dell monitor - they don't sell many of those or the 27/28" ones there and on Newegg also -
And God forbid larger than 30" like say the Westinghouse 37" which is a great monitor for PC gaming also and very popular
The Westy has been getting more and more popular for almost two years now for a great PC monitor
Sorry you don't like more than 24" but it's quite common for people to have 27/28/30 and the Westy 37" monitor for pc gaming nowadays , and no ,everyone doesn't have to sit far away from them either
I used to have a 24" and now they seem bit too small for gaming for me
I don't see myself "hurting myself" with a 30 or 37" a few feet away on my large desk which is easy enough to do
Your posts are nothing but you stroking your epeen.
Take a look at the most recent Valve Steam hardware survey summary.
The most common display resolution is 1280x800, followed closely by 1024x768. Everything else is just a blip on the radar.
Originally posted by bezado Your eyes don't see alot of FPS in games anyway. Sure if your going against 100 people in open areas FPS can be the king, but for most newer high end cards are overkill unless you plan to run extreme resolutions. http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm
Mostly true but keep in mind thta even though a relatively low frames per second can appear as full motion to the human eye that the eye is sensitive enough to sense fluidity of that motion well above the threshold necessary for motion. So 24 to 30 frame may be enough to look like motion (especially if interlaced as TV is) but when progressive like a computer is 30, 40, even 50 FPS can seem flickery.
"A 7600GT is sufficient enough to play all current MMORPG on high settings, much more you hardly know any difference and anything above this surely you got all features turned on but who cares, you don't notice much difference"
Completely untrue -
Dell 30" 2560x1600 resolution monitor The 8800gtx I have is the ONLY single solution card that lets me push every game at that res with most everything turned on - anything less and you have to dial it down severely to run at that res
Hardocp and many other reputable sites let you know that for running at high res the 8800gtx (or ultra) is the only single solution card that can handle all dx9 games reliably The 7600gt would choke at 2560x1600 with lots of animation going on screen
Well since I don't think more then maybe 1/2 of a Percent of the MMO population play at that insane of a resolution I don't see that as a major downfall. Those who have are hurting themselves. if your not 12 feet away from that monitor are putting a lot of strain on their eyes. I put my 24 inch Samsung and put it downstairs because its too big to comfortably play for many hours at a time.
Right , because no one dares buy the 30" Dell monitor - they don't sell many of those or the 27/28" ones there and on Newegg also -
And God forbid larger than 30" like say the Westinghouse 37" which is a great monitor for PC gaming also and very popular
The Westy has been getting more and more popular for almost two years now for a great PC monitor
Sorry you don't like more than 24" but it's quite common for people to have 27/28/30 and the Westy 37" monitor for pc gaming nowadays , and no ,everyone doesn't have to sit far away from them either
I used to have a 24" and now they seem bit too small for gaming for me
I don't see myself "hurting myself" with a 30 or 37" a few feet away on my large desk which is easy enough to do
Why would i want a gaming monitor w/ 8 ms refresh time.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
If it is a true 8 ms then that is quite fine for gaming. So many measure thier refresh times like stereo eqpt manufacturers measure watts leading to numbers that are bogus. The best measure is typically grey to grey - so if you have a true 8 ms g-to-g (or lower) then it will be fine for gaming (especially MMO type games that are not heavy on FPS churn anyways). My fisrt large panel as 12 ms and even in FPS games it didn't ghost noticably. Since then I have had a couple ranging from 12 on down to my current 4 ms G-to-G. Best bet is to ask around before buying, www.widescreengamingforum.com is a good source of first hand info.
buy your game first ... if you can run it on low settings .. but you just love it so much .. then upgrade. why upgrade before you have played, If i upgraded my rig just to play vanguard on max settings i would have spent 2-3k for no reason .. especially if all my games ran great before.. in this case i think its better to be reactive rather than proactive, especially with PC components.
Very sound advice.
Try before you buy. Six months is a whole product cycle. If AoC doesn't come out till Xmas and you upgrade now you will pay a premium for the hardware and risk making a sub optimal choice.
if you go Quad core..you may, (depending on motherboard and several other factors - including your own ambition and/or fear)...Overclock it so that you can be poised at the 3.5-4+gig mark( which i really wouldnt recommend for a simple mmorpg- although some buffs are bringing those procs to 5gig , lol..nutzo. cooling and all the added expense..for what!!?)......
sure, most of the quad core's power and useabililty will go wasted ...( as , i assume, you dont video-encode for hollywood or such or run an SGI workstation ,mheh)... and there wont be many app's utilizing all cores for quite some time for the normal consumer, but you may be able to Overclock the quad-core to a point where, you will see very very nice perfomance off the quad, speedwise (on one thread, /snicker).....but as a previous poster mentioned..there is no need to bother with it.......the E6600...is perfect...especially with the right motherboard.
hands down.
its price perfect.......I myself , got a dell xps410 with a 8800gtx(very very cheap!). all i can say is ...WOW!!( a co worker got the H2c..ya know...Dells all buffed out machine, with cooling and high end everything...what a waste - and yes....latency timings, mobo specs are different..but the reality of running dx9 and 10 demo's and games fully pumped up to highest settings possible.... side by side..we have same results in ALL games...on and offline....ya we know what Tomshardware and other sites have said...wahteva...we were SIDE-BY-SIDE, in the same friggen room, in several titles!). he says "yeah..well wait a year..."...but im thinking to myself..."look at the game release lists for ALL game sites ,systems and PC's.......whats coming out in under 2 years!???.not much. and in 1 year...less. 2-3 years will be the sweet spot for the <ahem> new gen of systems..no matter if Nvidia has the G10000! chipset/cards out by then, after the g90.
I was going to build another comp myself..but after considering the price and weighed out all the B.S.......i couldnt beat it. upgrading 2 more gigs of ram is only like $120-$200 bucks..
a similiar comp with everything you need... $800(w/o card) - $1300 (with 8800gtx)
a built comp...cheapest i could do with a 8800gtx and similar proc and ram......$700-1100.
wasnt worth my time.
I love it.
Oh..btw...ONLY buy your extra stuff thru the DellStore!..huge bug in their pricing.!
you will find ram that is included in your machine......that will be valued and priced HIGHER than if you buy it seperately thru the DellStore Link...funny stchuff....but they still havent fixed this after 3 years!...take advantage of it.
When configuring your PC...DONT include the XTRA RAM and the CARD!...wait till AFTER Configuration of your system....THEN..goto the DellStore link ( dragging your Cart list with you) and Buy it off the Store!
you'll save loads!...the prices are still all ***ked up!
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"A 7600GT is sufficient enough to play all current MMORPG on high settings, much more you hardly know any difference and anything above this surely you got all features turned on but who cares, you don't notice much difference"
Completely untrue -
Dell 30" 2560x1600 resolution monitor The 8800gtx I have is the ONLY single solution card that lets me push every game at that res with most everything turned on - anything less and you have to dial it down severely to run at that res
Hardocp and many other reputable sites let you know that for running at high res the 8800gtx (or ultra) is the only single solution card that can handle all dx9 games reliably The 7600gt would choke at 2560x1600 with lots of animation going on screen
Well since I don't think more then maybe 1/2 of a Percent of the MMO population play at that insane of a resolution I don't see that as a major downfall. Those who have are hurting themselves. if your not 12 feet away from that monitor are putting a lot of strain on their eyes. I put my 24 inch Samsung and put it downstairs because its too big to comfortably play for many hours at a time.
Right , because no one dares buy the 30" Dell monitor - they don't sell many of those or the 27/28" ones there and on Newegg also -
And God forbid larger than 30" like say the Westinghouse 37" which is a great monitor for PC gaming also and very popular
The Westy has been getting more and more popular for almost two years now for a great PC monitor
Sorry you don't like more than 24" but it's quite common for people to have 27/28/30 and the Westy 37" monitor for pc gaming nowadays , and no ,everyone doesn't have to sit far away from them either
I used to have a 24" and now they seem bit too small for gaming for me
I don't see myself "hurting myself" with a 30 or 37" a few feet away on my large desk which is easy enough to do
Dude your not everyone else, look at polls. You talk as if everyone is doing what you do, the fact is over 70% of PC gamers still use CRT's in the 19-22 inch range, and many those only run 1280X1024 resolution, you wont find many people willing to shell out that much cash for a monitor that large to play a game on, they rather have it for watching HD tv or movies.
Also I think that FAD is with younger people who are mostly buying them with money saved up and still living at home. Like I said not many have those kinds of setups or the cash to do it. It's just not practical yet. All these newer video cards don't offer much more, they only offer better FPS at the max or near max resolutions. So very few need them, and a 7600gt will play most these games if not all on high settings in game or maxed at 1280X1024... Your eyes don't see alot of FPS in games anyway. Sure if your going against 100 people in open areas FPS can be the king, but for most newer high end cards are overkill unless you plan to run extreme resolutions.
Regardless, the OP is wrong. He made a blanket statement that a 7600GT is sufficient for ALL current MMOs on high detail settings. Video performance is highly variable even in one specific title. Resolution settings, effects settings, and amount of video activity (ie number of players on screen and what they are doing) all contribute to the load on the GPU.
Of my friends and clients, at least half are running LCD monitors. LCDs look best at their native resolution, which happens to be their max. For a 19" this is commonly 1280x1024 or 1680x1050 for a 20" widescreen.
The 7600GT scores 6.3 fps. Of course to each their own but that is unacceptable to me. This result is not for some 27" or 30" display at 2560x1600 resolution either.
oh...btw.in reference to my post above two slots up..my friend waas using a high def widescreen ....600 bucks...Im stil using the Gateway EV910 CRT(5ms) from 1999 or some 'elderly' date. ( it does however display 1600x1200..oh yip)
same results.
period.
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"A 7600GT is sufficient enough to play all current MMORPG on high settings, much more you hardly know any difference and anything above this surely you got all features turned on but who cares, you don't notice much difference"
Completely untrue -
Dell 30" 2560x1600 resolution monitor The 8800gtx I have is the ONLY single solution card that lets me push every game at that res with most everything turned on - anything less and you have to dial it down severely to run at that res
Hardocp and many other reputable sites let you know that for running at high res the 8800gtx (or ultra) is the only single solution card that can handle all dx9 games reliably The 7600gt would choke at 2560x1600 with lots of animation going on screen
Well since I don't think more then maybe 1/2 of a Percent of the MMO population play at that insane of a resolution I don't see that as a major downfall. Those who have are hurting themselves. if your not 12 feet away from that monitor are putting a lot of strain on their eyes. I put my 24 inch Samsung and put it downstairs because its too big to comfortably play for many hours at a time.
Right , because no one dares buy the 30" Dell monitor - they don't sell many of those or the 27/28" ones there and on Newegg also -
And God forbid larger than 30" like say the Westinghouse 37" which is a great monitor for PC gaming also and very popular
The Westy has been getting more and more popular for almost two years now for a great PC monitor
Sorry you don't like more than 24" but it's quite common for people to have 27/28/30 and the Westy 37" monitor for pc gaming nowadays , and no ,everyone doesn't have to sit far away from them either
I used to have a 24" and now they seem bit too small for gaming for me
I don't see myself "hurting myself" with a 30 or 37" a few feet away on my large desk which is easy enough to do
Dude your not everyone else, look at polls. You talk as if everyone is doing what you do, the fact is over 70% of PC gamers still use CRT's in the 19-22 inch range, and many those only run 1280X1024 resolution, you wont find many people willing to shell out that much cash for a monitor that large to play a game on, they rather have it for watching HD tv or movies.
Also I think that FAD is with younger people who are mostly buying them with money saved up and still living at home. Like I said not many have those kinds of setups or the cash to do it. It's just not practical yet. All these newer video cards don't offer much more, they only offer better FPS at the max or near max resolutions. So very few need them, and a 7600gt will play most these games if not all on high settings in game or maxed at 1280X1024... Your eyes don't see alot of FPS in games anyway. Sure if your going against 100 people in open areas FPS can be the king, but for most newer high end cards are overkill unless you plan to run extreme resolutions.
Regardless, the OP is wrong. He made a blanket statement that a 7600GT is sufficient for ALL current MMOs on high detail settings. Video performance is highly variable even in one specific title. Resolution settings, effects settings, and amount of video activity (ie number of players on screen and what they are doing) all contribute to the load on the GPU.
Of my friends and clients, at least half are running LCD monitors. LCDs look best at their native resolution, which happens to be their max. For a 19" this is commonly 1280x1024 or 1680x1050 for a 20" widescreen.
The 7600GT scores 6.3 fps. Of course to each their own but that is unacceptable to me. This result is not for some 27" or 30" display at 2560x1600 resolution either.
Ummm ok, is Oblivion a MMORPG???????? Why have you included that in the list for 7600gt performance???????? I made a blanket statement saying a 7600gt is sufficient enough to play all current MMORPG on high game settings. They run smooth no matter what game with the games settings on high!!
I fail to see how that can be true. I own an 8800GTX and it cannot run EQ2 smoothly on high settings, nor can it do so for Vanguard: Saga of Heroes. Even City of Villains can cause lots of video lag with water set on high quality.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
I fail to see how that can be true. I own an 8800GTX and it cannot run EQ2 smoothly on high settings, nor can it do so for Vanguard: Saga of Heroes. Even City of Villains can cause lots of video lag with water set on high quality.
Either your bluffing or you have other issues. I had a 7600gt on my old rig running EQ2 for a year on high settings with some tweaks other settings maxed, 0 lag. Smooth gameplay on raids and everything except Qeynos at times like everyone else was laggy and housing was laggy before they fixed alot of memory leaks in the house settings now housing is not laggy.
Let's turn it around shall we. I think you're the one bluffing.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
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Well since I don't think more then maybe 1/2 of a Percent of the MMO population play at that insane of a resolution I don't see that as a major downfall. Those who have are hurting themselves. if your not 12 feet away from that monitor are putting a lot of strain on their eyes. I put my 24 inch Samsung and put it downstairs because its too big to comfortably play for many hours at a time.
Right , because no one dares buy the 30" Dell monitor - they don't sell many of those or the 27/28" ones there and on Newegg also -
And God forbid larger than 30" like say the Westinghouse 37" which is a great monitor for PC gaming also and very popular
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1088497
The Westy has been getting more and more popular for almost two years now for a great PC monitor
Sorry you don't like more than 24" but it's quite common for people to have 27/28/30 and the Westy 37" monitor for pc gaming nowadays , and no ,everyone doesn't have to sit far away from them either
I used to have a 24" and now they seem bit too small for gaming for me
I don't see myself "hurting myself" with a 30 or 37" a few feet away on my large desk which is easy enough to do
I just went from a 24" to a 26" (at 1920x1200) and it is nirvana. :-)
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my laptop only supports turion 64 processors ... as far as alienware has told me ... i have an m9700..
if anyone knows of a way to get a dual core amd into my maching please let me know.
And now we all know why you should never buy an Alienware. Allthough to be fair, the lack of upgradability in laptops is not exclusive to Alienware - they just whore the biggest overcharge for their obsolete before open products. The real lesson, never buy a laptop unless you absolutely need to use the compute rwhile on the move and expect to use it for a year or two and toss it away as dated. Also, never buy high dollar rigs - there is NO COMPUTER out there from any OEM (Alienware or otherwise) that is anything but tons more expensive than what you could build yourself, have a friend build, or have a local PC shop build.
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Well since I don't think more then maybe 1/2 of a Percent of the MMO population play at that insane of a resolution I don't see that as a major downfall. Those who have are hurting themselves. if your not 12 feet away from that monitor are putting a lot of strain on their eyes. I put my 24 inch Samsung and put it downstairs because its too big to comfortably play for many hours at a time.
Right , because no one dares buy the 30" Dell monitor - they don't sell many of those or the 27/28" ones there and on Newegg also -
And God forbid larger than 30" like say the Westinghouse 37" which is a great monitor for PC gaming also and very popular
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1088497
The Westy has been getting more and more popular for almost two years now for a great PC monitor
Sorry you don't like more than 24" but it's quite common for people to have 27/28/30 and the Westy 37" monitor for pc gaming nowadays , and no ,everyone doesn't have to sit far away from them either
I used to have a 24" and now they seem bit too small for gaming for me
I don't see myself "hurting myself" with a 30 or 37" a few feet away on my large desk which is easy enough to do
Dude your not everyone else, look at polls. You talk as if everyone is doing what you do, the fact is over 70% of PC gamers still use CRT's in the 19-22 inch range, and many those only run 1280X1024 resolution, you wont find many people willing to shell out that much cash for a monitor that large to play a game on, they rather have it for watching HD tv or movies.
Also I think that FAD is with younger people who are mostly buying them with money saved up and still living at home. Like I said not many have those kinds of setups or the cash to do it. It's just not practical yet. All these newer video cards don't offer much more, they only offer better FPS at the max or near max resolutions. So very few need them, and a 7600gt will play most these games if not all on high settings in game or maxed at 1280X1024... Your eyes don't see alot of FPS in games anyway. Sure if your going against 100 people in open areas FPS can be the king, but for most newer high end cards are overkill unless you plan to run extreme resolutions.
http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm
Well since I don't think more then maybe 1/2 of a Percent of the MMO population play at that insane of a resolution I don't see that as a major downfall. Those who have are hurting themselves. if your not 12 feet away from that monitor are putting a lot of strain on their eyes. I put my 24 inch Samsung and put it downstairs because its too big to comfortably play for many hours at a time.
Right , because no one dares buy the 30" Dell monitor - they don't sell many of those or the 27/28" ones there and on Newegg also -
And God forbid larger than 30" like say the Westinghouse 37" which is a great monitor for PC gaming also and very popular
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1088497
The Westy has been getting more and more popular for almost two years now for a great PC monitor
Sorry you don't like more than 24" but it's quite common for people to have 27/28/30 and the Westy 37" monitor for pc gaming nowadays , and no ,everyone doesn't have to sit far away from them either
I used to have a 24" and now they seem bit too small for gaming for me
I don't see myself "hurting myself" with a 30 or 37" a few feet away on my large desk which is easy enough to do
Your posts are nothing but you stroking your epeen.
Take a look at the most recent Valve Steam hardware survey summary.
The most common display resolution is 1280x800, followed closely by 1024x768. Everything else is just a blip on the radar.
http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html
Mostly true but keep in mind thta even though a relatively low frames per second can appear as full motion to the human eye that the eye is sensitive enough to sense fluidity of that motion well above the threshold necessary for motion. So 24 to 30 frame may be enough to look like motion (especially if interlaced as TV is) but when progressive like a computer is 30, 40, even 50 FPS can seem flickery.
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Well since I don't think more then maybe 1/2 of a Percent of the MMO population play at that insane of a resolution I don't see that as a major downfall. Those who have are hurting themselves. if your not 12 feet away from that monitor are putting a lot of strain on their eyes. I put my 24 inch Samsung and put it downstairs because its too big to comfortably play for many hours at a time.
Right , because no one dares buy the 30" Dell monitor - they don't sell many of those or the 27/28" ones there and on Newegg also -
And God forbid larger than 30" like say the Westinghouse 37" which is a great monitor for PC gaming also and very popular
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1088497
The Westy has been getting more and more popular for almost two years now for a great PC monitor
Sorry you don't like more than 24" but it's quite common for people to have 27/28/30 and the Westy 37" monitor for pc gaming nowadays , and no ,everyone doesn't have to sit far away from them either
I used to have a 24" and now they seem bit too small for gaming for me
I don't see myself "hurting myself" with a 30 or 37" a few feet away on my large desk which is easy enough to do
Why would i want a gaming monitor w/ 8 ms refresh time.
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If it is a true 8 ms then that is quite fine for gaming. So many measure thier refresh times like stereo eqpt manufacturers measure watts leading to numbers that are bogus. The best measure is typically grey to grey - so if you have a true 8 ms g-to-g (or lower) then it will be fine for gaming (especially MMO type games that are not heavy on FPS churn anyways). My fisrt large panel as 12 ms and even in FPS games it didn't ghost noticably. Since then I have had a couple ranging from 12 on down to my current 4 ms G-to-G. Best bet is to ask around before buying, www.widescreengamingforum.com is a good source of first hand info.
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Very sound advice.
Try before you buy. Six months is a whole product cycle. If AoC doesn't come out till Xmas and you upgrade now you will pay a premium for the hardware and risk making a sub optimal choice.
Also to help you out here is a good online site for getting parts for a computer its where i got all mine from.
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/home.aspx
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-- Jean Rostand
if you go Quad core..you may, (depending on motherboard and several other factors - including your own ambition and/or fear)...Overclock it so that you can be poised at the 3.5-4+gig mark( which i really wouldnt recommend for a simple mmorpg- although some buffs are bringing those procs to 5gig , lol..nutzo. cooling and all the added expense..for what!!?)......
sure, most of the quad core's power and useabililty will go wasted ...( as , i assume, you dont video-encode for hollywood or such or run an SGI workstation ,mheh)... and there wont be many app's utilizing all cores for quite some time for the normal consumer, but you may be able to Overclock the quad-core to a point where, you will see very very nice perfomance off the quad, speedwise (on one thread, /snicker).....but as a previous poster mentioned..there is no need to bother with it.......the E6600...is perfect...especially with the right motherboard.
hands down.
its price perfect.......I myself , got a dell xps410 with a 8800gtx(very very cheap!). all i can say is ...WOW!!( a co worker got the H2c..ya know...Dells all buffed out machine, with cooling and high end everything...what a waste - and yes....latency timings, mobo specs are different..but the reality of running dx9 and 10 demo's and games fully pumped up to highest settings possible.... side by side..we have same results in ALL games...on and offline....ya we know what Tomshardware and other sites have said...wahteva...we were SIDE-BY-SIDE, in the same friggen room, in several titles!). he says "yeah..well wait a year..."...but im thinking to myself..."look at the game release lists for ALL game sites ,systems and PC's.......whats coming out in under 2 years!???.not much. and in 1 year...less. 2-3 years will be the sweet spot for the <ahem> new gen of systems..no matter if Nvidia has the G10000! chipset/cards out by then, after the g90.
/snicker #2
I was going to build another comp myself..but after considering the price and weighed out all the B.S.......i couldnt beat it. upgrading 2 more gigs of ram is only like $120-$200 bucks..
a similiar comp with everything you need... $800(w/o card) - $1300 (with 8800gtx)
a built comp...cheapest i could do with a 8800gtx and similar proc and ram......$700-1100.
wasnt worth my time.
I love it.
Oh..btw...ONLY buy your extra stuff thru the DellStore!..huge bug in their pricing.!
you will find ram that is included in your machine......that will be valued and priced HIGHER than if you buy it seperately thru the DellStore Link...funny stchuff....but they still havent fixed this after 3 years!...take advantage of it.
When configuring your PC...DONT include the XTRA RAM and the CARD!...wait till AFTER Configuration of your system....THEN..goto the DellStore link ( dragging your Cart list with you) and Buy it off the Store!
you'll save loads!...the prices are still all ***ked up!
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Well since I don't think more then maybe 1/2 of a Percent of the MMO population play at that insane of a resolution I don't see that as a major downfall. Those who have are hurting themselves. if your not 12 feet away from that monitor are putting a lot of strain on their eyes. I put my 24 inch Samsung and put it downstairs because its too big to comfortably play for many hours at a time.
Right , because no one dares buy the 30" Dell monitor - they don't sell many of those or the 27/28" ones there and on Newegg also -
And God forbid larger than 30" like say the Westinghouse 37" which is a great monitor for PC gaming also and very popular
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1088497
The Westy has been getting more and more popular for almost two years now for a great PC monitor
Sorry you don't like more than 24" but it's quite common for people to have 27/28/30 and the Westy 37" monitor for pc gaming nowadays , and no ,everyone doesn't have to sit far away from them either
I used to have a 24" and now they seem bit too small for gaming for me
I don't see myself "hurting myself" with a 30 or 37" a few feet away on my large desk which is easy enough to do
Dude your not everyone else, look at polls. You talk as if everyone is doing what you do, the fact is over 70% of PC gamers still use CRT's in the 19-22 inch range, and many those only run 1280X1024 resolution, you wont find many people willing to shell out that much cash for a monitor that large to play a game on, they rather have it for watching HD tv or movies.
Also I think that FAD is with younger people who are mostly buying them with money saved up and still living at home. Like I said not many have those kinds of setups or the cash to do it. It's just not practical yet. All these newer video cards don't offer much more, they only offer better FPS at the max or near max resolutions. So very few need them, and a 7600gt will play most these games if not all on high settings in game or maxed at 1280X1024... Your eyes don't see alot of FPS in games anyway. Sure if your going against 100 people in open areas FPS can be the king, but for most newer high end cards are overkill unless you plan to run extreme resolutions.
http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm
Regardless, the OP is wrong. He made a blanket statement that a 7600GT is sufficient for ALL current MMOs on high detail settings. Video performance is highly variable even in one specific title. Resolution settings, effects settings, and amount of video activity (ie number of players on screen and what they are doing) all contribute to the load on the GPU.
Of my friends and clients, at least half are running LCD monitors. LCDs look best at their native resolution, which happens to be their max. For a 19" this is commonly 1280x1024 or 1680x1050 for a 20" widescreen.
Performance chart for Oblivion at 1280x1024:
www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html
The 7600GT scores 6.3 fps. Of course to each their own but that is unacceptable to me. This result is not for some 27" or 30" display at 2560x1600 resolution either.
oh...btw.in reference to my post above two slots up..my friend waas using a high def widescreen ....600 bucks...Im stil using the Gateway EV910 CRT(5ms) from 1999 or some 'elderly' date. ( it does however display 1600x1200..oh yip)
same results.
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Well since I don't think more then maybe 1/2 of a Percent of the MMO population play at that insane of a resolution I don't see that as a major downfall. Those who have are hurting themselves. if your not 12 feet away from that monitor are putting a lot of strain on their eyes. I put my 24 inch Samsung and put it downstairs because its too big to comfortably play for many hours at a time.
Right , because no one dares buy the 30" Dell monitor - they don't sell many of those or the 27/28" ones there and on Newegg also -
And God forbid larger than 30" like say the Westinghouse 37" which is a great monitor for PC gaming also and very popular
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1088497
The Westy has been getting more and more popular for almost two years now for a great PC monitor
Sorry you don't like more than 24" but it's quite common for people to have 27/28/30 and the Westy 37" monitor for pc gaming nowadays , and no ,everyone doesn't have to sit far away from them either
I used to have a 24" and now they seem bit too small for gaming for me
I don't see myself "hurting myself" with a 30 or 37" a few feet away on my large desk which is easy enough to do
Dude your not everyone else, look at polls. You talk as if everyone is doing what you do, the fact is over 70% of PC gamers still use CRT's in the 19-22 inch range, and many those only run 1280X1024 resolution, you wont find many people willing to shell out that much cash for a monitor that large to play a game on, they rather have it for watching HD tv or movies.
Also I think that FAD is with younger people who are mostly buying them with money saved up and still living at home. Like I said not many have those kinds of setups or the cash to do it. It's just not practical yet. All these newer video cards don't offer much more, they only offer better FPS at the max or near max resolutions. So very few need them, and a 7600gt will play most these games if not all on high settings in game or maxed at 1280X1024... Your eyes don't see alot of FPS in games anyway. Sure if your going against 100 people in open areas FPS can be the king, but for most newer high end cards are overkill unless you plan to run extreme resolutions.
http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm
Regardless, the OP is wrong. He made a blanket statement that a 7600GT is sufficient for ALL current MMOs on high detail settings. Video performance is highly variable even in one specific title. Resolution settings, effects settings, and amount of video activity (ie number of players on screen and what they are doing) all contribute to the load on the GPU.
Of my friends and clients, at least half are running LCD monitors. LCDs look best at their native resolution, which happens to be their max. For a 19" this is commonly 1280x1024 or 1680x1050 for a 20" widescreen.
Performance chart for Oblivion at 1280x1024:
www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html
The 7600GT scores 6.3 fps. Of course to each their own but that is unacceptable to me. This result is not for some 27" or 30" display at 2560x1600 resolution either.
Ummm ok, is Oblivion a MMORPG???????? Why have you included that in the list for 7600gt performance???????? I made a blanket statement saying a 7600gt is sufficient enough to play all current MMORPG on high game settings. They run smooth no matter what game with the games settings on high!!
I fail to see how that can be true. I own an 8800GTX and it cannot run EQ2 smoothly on high settings, nor can it do so for Vanguard: Saga of Heroes. Even City of Villains can cause lots of video lag with water set on high quality.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Either your bluffing or you have other issues. I had a 7600gt on my old rig running EQ2 for a year on high settings with some tweaks other settings maxed, 0 lag. Smooth gameplay on raids and everything except Qeynos at times like everyone else was laggy and housing was laggy before they fixed alot of memory leaks in the house settings now housing is not laggy.
Let's turn it around shall we. I think you're the one bluffing.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal