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Any plans to ever let players play one of the evil races?
Lithdov
Member Posts: 173
Playing as a Hobbit, Elf, Human, or Dwarf does not appeal to me in the least, and monster-play is a gimmick. Anyone know if Turbine ever plans on allowing players to play as "the bad guys" in future expansions, or is that more work than they're willing to invest in?
If you want a real harsh death penalty, go play Russian Roulet. - Hamzal
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There will never be a traditional, fully plalyable evil race. However, there is PvMP, and there are plans to expand upon it.
Apparently, they are using Chicken Play (you get to temporarily play as a chicken) as a means to test whether they can have MP in PvE zones. However, this probably won't happen for a while.
Simple answer. There are no plans to have payable evil races at this time. That is the response you would get from turbine and the response they have given many times to this question.
Supposedly doesn't fit the lore of Tolkien, says Turbine. They have a point, but it would be nice if you could I agree. I seriously doubt it will ever get implemented, but Turbine would be fools to ignore the fact many people would stay longer if you could. My guess is they will continually expand monster play to fill the need for evil race play.
Actually, if they expand MP to be a much larger satisfying PvP/PvE experience, it will be good enough. Give em time.
Why I bet in a patch or two, you'll see more "battlegrounds" open up.
Session Play is a separate quest line and set of rewards. I haven't seen anything to indicate it allows PvP outside the Ettenmoors.
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Session Play is a separate quest line and set of rewards. I haven't seen anything to indicate it allows PvP outside the Ettenmoors.
http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/lord-of-the-rings-online-shadows-of-angmar/808136p1.html
Page 3 and 4 of the articles talk about Chicken Play sort of being a testing ground for possible monsters in PvE zones. Though they're not sure how it will be. I'm not saying it will be a normal MP character in a PvE zone--but a monster. Maybe it will be a non-combative quest line. The articles talks of playing an injured orc, so perhaps it is a quest line requiring stealth and avoiding combat (probably will have low stats so you can't go around killing little Hobbits).
Well, I don't have any concrete ideas of what they're planning--but that's what the ysaid they're doing. They're looking into it and using Chicken Play for feedback. But they haven't made much announcements (do they ever?) because they're probably avoiding making promises they're not sure they can keep.
But I think they can do it, and I think they will. As long as it doesn't involve MP killing lowbies, it should be fine.
Whoa! I'm quite mistaken then.
Thanks for the heads up on that!
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Right, they've said multiple times the Session Play is a testbed for some other "big picture" things they want to do but haven't quite figured out how to do them. This is a first step in that direction and will be a live test they can monitor to see what we do with the session characters, as well as providing additional casual content for when we don't feel like questing with our mains.
As for playing an evil race, while the lead devs are huge PvP fans, they said it just doesn't fit the lore because the evil races are controlled by Sauron and not really under their own will. You can't force players to behave that way, so it's just best to not go there. Adding some evil session characters might help, and a huge update/tweak to the MP system is coming, and we all know there will be additional MP zones eventually.
Personally, I'm getting tired of the whole two faction, good & evil, black & white crap. Just look at how Starcraft revolutionalized the RTS scene 10 years ago by adding a third faction. I'm ready to move beyond Horde vs. Alliance and Greenskins vs. Dwarves.
To the OP I'd have to submit this comment: Turbine has been saying for years this would be a casual PvE game and we can only play the "good" races. Wouldn't it make sense to spend a few seconds with Google or whatever to educate yourself on what you're buying before spending the $50 + subscription?
I didn't buy the game, and I have no intention of doing so if it remains the way it is right now. I was asking if there had been any indication from the devs to introduce some expanded content in the future by way of new races; if they were, then I'd pick up the game when they did because the game sounds like a quality title. I don't even care if there isn't any PvP, I'm just tired of playing the do-gooder, cliche high-fantasy races in MMOs. My intent was to see if there was any reason to keep an eye on this game in the future, and from the responses provided it looks like the answer is definitely "No."
If you want a real harsh death penalty, go play Russian Roulet. - Hamzal
I don't think you necessarily play a "do-gooder" in LotRO. You play on the side of the Free People, but your reasons are left a bit ambiguous. Of course, all player characters share the goal of stopping Sauron--however, it doesn't mean they're doing it for a "good" reason. It could be a selfish reason.
Seriously, every (playable) race in LotRO are quite selfish and self-important.
But if by not playing a "do-gooder," you simply mean you want to play an inarguably evil character who just wants to kill and obtain money and power... Well, you could play nothing but PvMP. Haha.
Well, in FFXI and WoW you are stuck with "good guys" too (even on the Horde-side on WoW, despite what people might think). Seriously, most games push you towards playing the good guy (except maybe Knights of the Old Republic or Neverwinter Nights--but those aren't MMORPGs). I'm not sure about DAoC or the upcoming Conan and Warhammer--I'm sure they'll have more blatantly evil races/classes.
I personally have tried to play evil characters (in Knights of the Old Republic, Jade Empire, and Oblivion--all single player RPGs) but I found things to be distasteful and I always end up stopping short of finishing the game (or even half way).
Anyway, I think you should at least pick up a buddy key and play try the game. Get your PC to level 10 and try PvMP.
Ever play DAOC? Three factions there all fighting each other at the same time..
D.
I really wanna say that... the Horde is not evil. Most of the races of the Horde are not inherently evil, they just have bad histories--mostly of oppression and enslavement... by the "good" races.
Bah, good and evil just depends which side of the fence you are on and who's progaganda you are listening to.
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Bah, good and evil just depends which side of the fence you are on and who's progaganda you are listening to.
D.
Good and evil; right and wrong--these are simply a matter of perspective, right? Well, that's wrong. There is an absolutely true good and evil and a true right and wrong. The only reason these are a matter of perspective is because we humans (like everything else short of a God-like being) are unable to see the absolute truth. However, this means that most things are in-between and gray to us (only because we have foggy vision). Everything is very arguable and perspective matters.
Anyway, when it comes to the Horde--what would do they do as a a whole (not just a select few) that even the Alliance would call downright evil? The majority of the Horde fights for self-preservation and the right to live. The majority of the Alliance fights for power and selfish pride.
Oh, and if you can recognize propaganda from both sides, then it's not just about which side of the fence you're on anymore. It's a matter which side of the fence you choose to be on.
No, I never touched DAoC, it didn't look interesting at the time, though it seems I actually probably would have enjoyed it very much. Too late though, I definitely have no interest in it this late in the game (literally and figuratively).
Yeah, yeah, I know about Horde and Alliance and their good/evil bit. Undead are evil, and Blood Elves are full-bore Evil (<- capital E). Orcs are savage brutes fighting for survival and Tauren are good but stuck in their loyalty to the orcs for saving them. Blah blah, yadda yadda. Guess what? Regardless of Blizzard's often inconsistent lore, they are still presented as Good or Bad, White or Black, no shades of grey. Hell, I would much rather have had "good" Tauren for the Alliance, those who finally saw a "big picture" and had the stones to break away from the Horde rather than blue aliens. But whatever.
The point is I'm just tired of cookie cutter "good" and "bad" factions, I'd rather have a few to play with and let *me* decide how my character fits into the overarching faction scheme instead of forcing it down my throat.
Thats because Kotor, oblivion and NWN offers terrible quest solutions and the path of being good or evil are just too obivously specified. If you ever tried Arcanum or Fallout or Greyhawk you would find out it is possible to play an evil slaughterer and still finish the game, or a sneaky bastard or an orc barbar that kills all the innocent people in the whole village.
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