None of the games I play has "failed." All are up, running, and people play them. You have to understand that because you do not play a game does not make a game a "failure." I do not play LotR --I think it is a cheap MMORPG with Lord of the Rings title attached to it-- but I would say it is a failure for me but not necessarily a failure for others.
Could a game be a failure if it lost 95% of it's subscribers in the first 6 months? How about if it had such poor sales that it destroyed the company which made it? Could that possibly qualify something as a failure?
Could a game be a failure if it lost 95% of it's subscribers in the first 6 months? How about if it had such poor sales that it destroyed the company which made it? Could that possibly qualify something as a failure?
Oh of course not... that is not failure, that is just... errr... uhm...ah, <cough> poor management and business planning.
Yeah that's the ticket.
Plus under new management and teams, so there is a complete new performance record now... Yeah. And besides the only true definition of failure is when the lights are turn off and I mean that, not the servers, but the lights. As long as one watt is being consumed, no game is considered a failure... no wait, as long as the passion of the dream still lives one in one person, or a person's dog, the title is not a failure...
/toggleoff bs-skill
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
I can only think of one SOE game that didn't fail and that is Everquest 1. Maybe EQ2 is doing OK but not as expected, as for SWG well at its peak SOE announced it had over 300k subs. As for now they won't give figures anymore and servers are ghost towns full of deserted player towns, great testaments to the glory days that will never comeback.
However SOE are releasing some new titles so we'll see if they can get back on the saddle and be the industry leaders they were. Either that or we're gonna see some WICKED train wrecks
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
Vanguard had more promise and potential than any other MMO on my most anticipated list this time last year. I even got invited to Beta 2 when the game was so buggy, I couldn't even play more than 5 minutes without quitting in rage lol. Over the next several months, Sigil did make alot of improvements, but the performance/bugs was still a ongoing issue that couldn't get rectified.
I played Vanguard up until early May. My Shammy got to level 40. During my experiences, Vanguard was alot like EQ1 in many ways, but it also lacked some of what EQ had going for it. For one, there wa an endgame for EQ, absolutely none set up for Vanguard. It's kind of tough to create a PVE MMO such as Vanguard and have no End game raid content. Well, I mean, there were end game raid mobs in the game like, "Torkald Who Mourns" the level 50 epic giant boss mob which stil hasnt been killed yet. It's just, Sigil had so much on their playte to deal with, they didn't have any more time to set up raid content.
What really caused me to quit VG was all the restructuring of the game Sigil focused on changing due to al the gold sellers. Constant changes to armor and weapon stats became ridiculous. It got to the point where you could purchase blue "uncommon" gear 10-12 levels higher than you and it would be better than most rare boss/named mob items which I find very dumb. Even heroic and Legendary items weren't much of an improvement over uncommon blue items. In EQ, you knew when someone was wearing end game boss mob gear. For example, in VG at the mid 30's dungeon VT, the main boss mob is the Troglodyte King. He spawns once every 8 hours. So you would figure he'd have a pretty sweet loot table. Well he does drop a fairly nice heroic axe, but his rares are barely better than normal easy to get blue items a couple levels higher. My shammy won the helm of the troglodyte King which at first you'd say, hmm the stats are pretty nice. But compare that to similar shammy uncommon helms you can buy cheap at the AH, it just doesn't feel like much of an accomplishment.
During my adventures fighting boss mobs in dungeons, I'd like to feel as If I've accomplished something, and when winning a rare piece of armor/weapon, etc I love seeing people gawk and say, WOW THATS A NICE HELM, WHERE DID U GET IT?!?! I love the sense of accomplishment and feeling u get while fighting 2 hours in a dungeon and winning a rare item off the boss.
In Vanguard, there was absolutely no sense of accomplishment, thrill of victory, or excitement when winning anything rare. Honestly, your better off just soloing to 50 while puirchasing all the best uncommon items 12 levels higher than u without the need of doing any dungeon runs. This also became a problem. People would rather solo and do those stupid writs, than explore a cool dungeon. They would say, well I dont feel like dying. I'd rather solo and do these since the experience is much better.
So, the main problem with Vanguard was how Sigil started to dumb down the game with those easy writs, people didnt see the need or have the desire to go on dungeon runs due to the fear of possibly dying, and making the regular uncommon blue armor have higher stats than rare and even heroic armor.
This is what caused me to leave. Other than that, the game was excellent. I loved the classes, lore, world, dungeons, graphics, music, etc. All of what I enjoyed in EQ and then some was in Vanguard, but there just was to much wrong with the game that I just couldn't deal with anymore. Hopefully SOE can fix the features that drew me away from the game, but I highly doubt it.
As of now, I'm playing EQ2 until Gods and Heroes comes out since AoC got pushed back again.
Rallithon Oakthornn (Retired Heirophant of the 60th season)
A question here. Would you have the guts to do what Heal4u done.
1. He was apperantly (in my belief) bashing VG enough to make hime banned on tentonhammer. Enough to make people write his name in sigs bragging they blocked/filter his uses
2. Start to play Vg again and coming around and instead of argumenting against VG argumenting for. This almost religiously.
3. Announcing he quits Vanguard. Thus doing it in this thread.
Speaking for me, I would simply crawl back under the stone I came from and stop posting if I was him.
Oh, wait, sorry, this is the anonymous internet you don't need to have guts for anything nobody knows you anyway. So troll away no need to stand for you opinion anyway.
Originally posted by Orphes A question here. Would you have the guts to do what Heal4u done.
"What a fool does in the end, the wise do in the beginning."
-- Spanish Proverb
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Originally posted by healz4u I have been playing Star Wars Galaxies the past two or three days. I have not even scratched the surface of the depth that this game offers.
If I had been foolish enoough to listen to the hype you have been continually spouting over Vanguard for months, disputing all those people who said otherside, I would have wasted my time and money on that train wreck.
And now you're recommending another game based on what? The same perception that was applied to Vanguard? How long is it going to take you to figure out what most people have already figured out about SWG? In a few month what's next - recommending everyone go back and play EQ?
Fortunately I didn't listen to posters like you, I waited and now I'll get to try Vanguard once the free trial comes out without wasting a penny. And I'm certainly going to hesitate even looking at SWG if you think it's worthwhile.
Friends, after reading through several posts, I feel several points of clarification are necessary.
1) I am not recommending anyone play any (WAR, WoW, VG) game. See post # 81, supra.
2) To continue on the theme of 1), I might infrequently offer a suggestion for a game when I am invited to do so. I have recommended a free but non-mmorpg recently, which is F.E.A.R. Combat. www.joinfear.com/main
3) I could not possibly care less if anyone reading this plays SWG, WAR, WoW, LotR, EVE, or any other game. (I probably take gaming a whole lot less seriously than this post or any previous post might indicate). As for myself, I have been completely impressed with how fun and well done both SWG and EQ 2 are. Let me put it this way, I find SWG such an interesting game that I may very well keep my Station Pass because of it. SWG, at $20.00, is without question the best deal for a game I have ever bought in my life. I am very happy to be playing both, and I only wished I started to play them sooner.
A question here. Would you have the guts to do what Heal4u done.
Didnt really need the "guts" as I did had the brains to knew this game was a complete fraud after 2 hrs of playing it.
And why in hell are you talking about "courage" in a Vanguard forums.. courage is what you need to finish a career to establish a bussines, to make youself someone in real life.
plz do not devaluate real courage meaning
I was just having some fun with healz dramma, some online fun.
A question here. Would you have the guts to do what Heal4u done.
Didnt really need the "guts" as I did had the brains to knew this game was a complete fraud after 2 hrs of playing it.
And why in hell are you talking about "courage" in a Vanguard forums.. courage is what you need to finish a career to establish a bussines, to make youself someone in real life.
plz do not devaluate real courage meaning
I was just having some fun with healz dramma, some online fun.
So simply said you wouldn't have had the curage to do it.
But as I said on the internet you don't have to have that kind of courage as you're anonymous.
Have yourself in a groups of friends and others let it be school or work. First you state you opionion to dislike it then you turn around promoting it, praising that to a degree to as where people just smiles when they see you. Really getting hellbent talking good about it. Then you publically announce that you was wrong despite all the time you went promoting it. That infront of all the people you argued against.
There are alot of people afraid of admitting to being wrong especially when there have got some kind of prestige into it.
That demands courage, courage is not only one things and absolutely not only to do with making a career. That you will find out someway or another.
A question here. Would you have the guts to do what Heal4u done.
Didnt really need the "guts" as I did had the brains to knew this game was a complete fraud after 2 hrs of playing it.
And why in hell are you talking about "courage" in a Vanguard forums.. courage is what you need to finish a career to establish a bussines, to make youself someone in real life.
plz do not devaluate real courage meaning
I was just having some fun with healz dramma, some online fun.
So simply said you wouldn't have had the curage to do it.
Ok.. there you go Orphes.. almost got it, want a cookie? you cant try one more time..
A question here. Would you have the guts to do what Heal4u done.
Didnt really need the "guts" as I did had the brains to knew this game was a complete fraud after 2 hrs of playing it.
And why in hell are you talking about "courage" in a Vanguard forums.. courage is what you need to finish a career to establish a bussines, to make youself someone in real life.
plz do not devaluate real courage meaning
I was just having some fun with healz dramma, some online fun.
So simply said you wouldn't have had the curage to do it.
Ok.. there you go Orphes.. almost got it, want a cookie? you cant try one more time..
That pretty much summons up the part with internet and anonymousity.
But as I said on the internet you don't have to have that kind of courage as you're anonymous. ... There are alot of people afraid of admitting to being wrong especially when there have got some kind of prestige into it. That demands courage, courage is not only one things and absolutely not only to do with making a career. That you will find out someway or another.
The reason I applied no quote of courage is as you have mentioned, there is none to have for anonymous use. Which I find strange that you state that there is indeed courage to be had. So which is it? There is courage or there is no courage? And if there happens to be a number of different kinds of courage, then please do define them.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
One of my heroes, Winston Churchill, said something along the lines that "courage is the one virtue necessary for all others." A person without courage can have no other virtues. (A virtue is a good habit; a vice is a bad habit).
I think what is perhaps more relevant is another one of Winston Churchill's sayings:
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject."
Meh, anyone with half a brain and a dose of common sense won't listen to healz4u. Kind of reminds me of Fox News, completely incorrect and useless to a point of annoyance. Sad how all his posts are walls of text trying to make him look intelligent.
Thank you! I am happy to hear I am still an "annoyance" to some of you. Believe it or not, I was getting worried.
I was not aware that my posts "make [me] look intelligent." I am not even sure how a post can "look intelligent." But I do know where to find intelligence; i.e., in a person's analysis. I find absolutely zeroanalysis in your post.
As for the "walls of text," I generally try to limit my posts to no more than three brief paragraphs when I can.
But as I said on the internet you don't have to have that kind of courage as you're anonymous. ... There are alot of people afraid of admitting to being wrong especially when there have got some kind of prestige into it. That demands courage, courage is not only one things and absolutely not only to do with making a career. That you will find out someway or another.
The reason I applied no quote of courage is as you have mentioned, there is none to have for anonymous use. Which I find strange that you state that there is indeed courage to be had. So which is it? There is courage or there is no courage? And if there happens to be a number of different kinds of courage, then please do define them.
I think you understood me anyway. But I try to rephrase it.
Even though one may have the courage to climb a tall ladder, jump from a cliff, swim in an ocean. There is possible that one don't have the courage to do walk in the dark.
And I do think that those things is another courage then the one you talked about and even a different one standing for ones opinion. What is the called civil courage?
Dont know what Healzz4u showed, but kudos for admitting things.
Meh, anyone with half a brain and a dose of common sense won't listen to healz4u. Kind of reminds me of Fox News, completely incorrect and useless to a point of annoyance. Sad how all his posts are walls of text trying to make him look intelligent.
Thank you! I am happy to hear I am still an "annoyance" to some of you. Believe it or not, I was getting worried.
I was not aware that my posts "make [me] look intelligent." I am not even sure how a post can "look intelligent." But I do know where to find intelligence; i.e., in a person's analysis. I find absolutely zeroanalysis in your post.
As for the "walls of text," I generally try to limit my posts to no more than three brief paragraphs when I can.
Here's some analysis: You believed that SOE would be the savor of Vanguard, when SOE has a history of doing completely the opposite.
So explain to me what logic you used to think that SOE would do so well in updating the game, that it was "time to break out the champagne". Because based on that company's history I most certainly would NEVER have made such a claim.
Here's some analysis: You believed that SOE would be the savor of Vanguard, when SOE has a history of doing completely the opposite.
So explain to me what logic you used to think that SOE would do so well in updating the game, that it was "time to break out the champagne". Because based on that company's history I most certainly would NEVER have made such a claim.
To return to the basics, I never considered SOE a "savor." I always believed that Vanguard needed to be 1) fixed, 2) finished, and 3) enhanced. 1) Performance and bugs needed to be corrected. 2) The game needs to be finished in terms of classes (Berseker, Inquistor) to Quests to flying mounts to raid content. 3) The game needs to be enhanced with deeper character customization, additional Quests, more end-game activities and content, better use of land, fishing, inter alia.
The champagne, if you read the first post and previous posts, remained on ice until the game was 1) fixed, 2) finished, and 3) enhanced. However, in the discussion that followed, I stated the ice has melted and the champagne is warming. Progress has been too slow. Further, if SOE does 1) fix, 2) finish, and 3) enhance Vanguard, would it become a viable competitor?
In conclusion, I have never been the biggest SOE fan (an understatement). Today, I could not be happier with my MMORPGs, which are EQ 2 and SWG. I have not really enjoyed a MMORPG this much since I played EQ 1 pre-PoP. It was why I created a Topic whether SOE should terminate Vanguard to focus on a possible SWG 2.
Here's some analysis: You believed that SOE would be the savor of Vanguard, when SOE has a history of doing completely the opposite.
So explain to me what logic you used to think that SOE would do so well in updating the game, that it was "time to break out the champagne". Because based on that company's history I most certainly would NEVER have made such a claim.
To return to the basics, I never considered SOE a "savor." I always believed that Vanguard needed to be 1) fixed, 2) finished, and 3) enhanced. 1) Performance and bugs needed to be corrected. 2) The game needs to be finished in terms of classes (Berseker, Inquistor) to Quests to flying mounts to raid content. 3) The game needs to be enhanced with deeper character customization, additional Quests, more end-game activities and content, better use of land, fishing, inter alia.
The champagne, if you read the first post and previous posts, remained on ice until the game was 1) fixed, 2) finished, and 3) enhanced. However, in the discussion that followed, I stated the ice has melted and the champagne is warming. Progress has been too slow. Further, if SOE does 1) fix, 2) finish, and 3) enhance Vanguard, would it become a viable competitor?
In conclusion, I have never been the biggest SOE fan (an understatement). Today, I could not be happier with my MMORPGs, which are EQ 2 and SWG. I have not really enjoyed a MMORPG this much since I played EQ 1 pre-PoP. It was why I created a Topic whether SOE should terminate Vanguard to focus on a possible SWG 2.
I don't know. I think that SoE has done a great job fixing bugs and improving the performance of the game so far. I highly look forward to Game Update #2 next week.
Loothur VonRichten Wood Elven Ranger of the Florendyl RP Server
I don't know. I think that SoE has done a great job fixing bugs and improving the performance of the game so far. I highly look forward to Game Update #2 next week.
Most definitely. I tip my hat to SoE on its successes, but it has been too slow for me. Further, it is my view that, at least right when I resubscribed, SIGIL was making rapid and significant progress to Vanguard.
I play Everquest 2 daily, and I thoroughly enjoy the game. It has all the elements to what I consider to be a great MMORPG. I doubt I will ever return to Vanguard, even if the game is finished and subsequently enhanced.
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You are like the patron saint for failed games!
None of the games I play has "failed." All are up, running, and people play them. You have to understand that because you do not play a game does not make a game a "failure." I do not play LotR --I think it is a cheap MMORPG with Lord of the Rings title attached to it-- but I would say it is a failure for me but not necessarily a failure for others.
Could a game be a failure if it lost 95% of it's subscribers in the first 6 months? How about if it had such poor sales that it destroyed the company which made it? Could that possibly qualify something as a failure?
Yeah that's the ticket.
Plus under new management and teams, so there is a complete new performance record now... Yeah. And besides the only true definition of failure is when the lights are turn off and I mean that, not the servers, but the lights. As long as one watt is being consumed, no game is considered a failure... no wait, as long as the passion of the dream still lives one in one person, or a person's dog, the title is not a failure...
/toggleoff bs-skill
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
I can only think of one SOE game that didn't fail and that is Everquest 1. Maybe EQ2 is doing OK but not as expected, as for SWG well at its peak SOE announced it had over 300k subs. As for now they won't give figures anymore and servers are ghost towns full of deserted player towns, great testaments to the glory days that will never comeback.
However SOE are releasing some new titles so we'll see if they can get back on the saddle and be the industry leaders they were. Either that or we're gonna see some WICKED train wrecks
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Vanguard had more promise and potential than any other MMO on my most anticipated list this time last year. I even got invited to Beta 2 when the game was so buggy, I couldn't even play more than 5 minutes without quitting in rage lol. Over the next several months, Sigil did make alot of improvements, but the performance/bugs was still a ongoing issue that couldn't get rectified.
I played Vanguard up until early May. My Shammy got to level 40. During my experiences, Vanguard was alot like EQ1 in many ways, but it also lacked some of what EQ had going for it. For one, there wa an endgame for EQ, absolutely none set up for Vanguard. It's kind of tough to create a PVE MMO such as Vanguard and have no End game raid content. Well, I mean, there were end game raid mobs in the game like, "Torkald Who Mourns" the level 50 epic giant boss mob which stil hasnt been killed yet. It's just, Sigil had so much on their playte to deal with, they didn't have any more time to set up raid content.
What really caused me to quit VG was all the restructuring of the game Sigil focused on changing due to al the gold sellers. Constant changes to armor and weapon stats became ridiculous. It got to the point where you could purchase blue "uncommon" gear 10-12 levels higher than you and it would be better than most rare boss/named mob items which I find very dumb. Even heroic and Legendary items weren't much of an improvement over uncommon blue items. In EQ, you knew when someone was wearing end game boss mob gear. For example, in VG at the mid 30's dungeon VT, the main boss mob is the Troglodyte King. He spawns once every 8 hours. So you would figure he'd have a pretty sweet loot table. Well he does drop a fairly nice heroic axe, but his rares are barely better than normal easy to get blue items a couple levels higher. My shammy won the helm of the troglodyte King which at first you'd say, hmm the stats are pretty nice. But compare that to similar shammy uncommon helms you can buy cheap at the AH, it just doesn't feel like much of an accomplishment.
During my adventures fighting boss mobs in dungeons, I'd like to feel as If I've accomplished something, and when winning a rare piece of armor/weapon, etc I love seeing people gawk and say, WOW THATS A NICE HELM, WHERE DID U GET IT?!?! I love the sense of accomplishment and feeling u get while fighting 2 hours in a dungeon and winning a rare item off the boss.
In Vanguard, there was absolutely no sense of accomplishment, thrill of victory, or excitement when winning anything rare. Honestly, your better off just soloing to 50 while puirchasing all the best uncommon items 12 levels higher than u without the need of doing any dungeon runs. This also became a problem. People would rather solo and do those stupid writs, than explore a cool dungeon. They would say, well I dont feel like dying. I'd rather solo and do these since the experience is much better.
So, the main problem with Vanguard was how Sigil started to dumb down the game with those easy writs, people didnt see the need or have the desire to go on dungeon runs due to the fear of possibly dying, and making the regular uncommon blue armor have higher stats than rare and even heroic armor.
This is what caused me to leave. Other than that, the game was excellent. I loved the classes, lore, world, dungeons, graphics, music, etc. All of what I enjoyed in EQ and then some was in Vanguard, but there just was to much wrong with the game that I just couldn't deal with anymore. Hopefully SOE can fix the features that drew me away from the game, but I highly doubt it.
As of now, I'm playing EQ2 until Gods and Heroes comes out since AoC got pushed back again.
Rallithon Oakthornn
(Retired Heirophant of the 60th season)
I knew this post was arround ... nice
A question here. Would you have the guts to do what Heal4u done.
1. He was apperantly (in my belief) bashing VG enough to make hime banned on tentonhammer. Enough to make people write his name in sigs bragging they blocked/filter his uses
2. Start to play Vg again and coming around and instead of argumenting against VG argumenting for. This almost religiously.
3. Announcing he quits Vanguard. Thus doing it in this thread.
Speaking for me, I would simply crawl back under the stone I came from and stop posting if I was him.
Oh, wait, sorry, this is the anonymous internet you don't need to have guts for anything nobody knows you anyway. So troll away no need to stand for you opinion anyway.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
"What a fool does in the end, the wise do in the beginning."
-- Spanish Proverb
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
If I had been foolish enoough to listen to the hype you have been continually spouting over Vanguard for months, disputing all those people who said otherside, I would have wasted my time and money on that train wreck.
And now you're recommending another game based on what? The same perception that was applied to Vanguard? How long is it going to take you to figure out what most people have already figured out about SWG? In a few month what's next - recommending everyone go back and play EQ?
Fortunately I didn't listen to posters like you, I waited and now I'll get to try Vanguard once the free trial comes out without wasting a penny. And I'm certainly going to hesitate even looking at SWG if you think it's worthwhile.
Friends, after reading through several posts, I feel several points of clarification are necessary.
1) I am not recommending anyone play any (WAR, WoW, VG) game. See post # 81, supra.
2) To continue on the theme of 1), I might infrequently offer a suggestion for a game when I am invited to do so. I have recommended a free but non-mmorpg recently, which is F.E.A.R. Combat. www.joinfear.com/main
3) I could not possibly care less if anyone reading this plays SWG, WAR, WoW, LotR, EVE, or any other game. (I probably take gaming a whole lot less seriously than this post or any previous post might indicate). As for myself, I have been completely impressed with how fun and well done both SWG and EQ 2 are. Let me put it this way, I find SWG such an interesting game that I may very well keep my Station Pass because of it. SWG, at $20.00, is without question the best deal for a game I have ever bought in my life. I am very happy to be playing both, and I only wished I started to play them sooner.
"What a fool does in the end, the wise do in the beginning."
-- Spanish Proverb
Would it not be more fitting with a proverb about courage, especially with that quote?
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
A question here. Would you have the guts to do what Heal4u done.
Didnt really need the "guts" as I did had the brains to knew this game was a complete fraud after 2 hrs of playing it.
And why in hell are you talking about "courage" in a Vanguard forums.. courage is what you need to finish a career to establish a bussines, to make youself someone in real life.
plz do not devaluate real courage meaning
I was just having some fun with healz dramma, some online fun.
A question here. Would you have the guts to do what Heal4u done.
Didnt really need the "guts" as I did had the brains to knew this game was a complete fraud after 2 hrs of playing it.
And why in hell are you talking about "courage" in a Vanguard forums.. courage is what you need to finish a career to establish a bussines, to make youself someone in real life.
plz do not devaluate real courage meaning
I was just having some fun with healz dramma, some online fun.
So simply said you wouldn't have had the curage to do it.
But as I said on the internet you don't have to have that kind of courage as you're anonymous.
Have yourself in a groups of friends and others let it be school or work. First you state you opionion to dislike it then you turn around promoting it, praising that to a degree to as where people just smiles when they see you. Really getting hellbent talking good about it. Then you publically announce that you was wrong despite all the time you went promoting it. That infront of all the people you argued against.
There are alot of people afraid of admitting to being wrong especially when there have got some kind of prestige into it.
That demands courage, courage is not only one things and absolutely not only to do with making a career. That you will find out someway or another.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
A question here. Would you have the guts to do what Heal4u done.
Didnt really need the "guts" as I did had the brains to knew this game was a complete fraud after 2 hrs of playing it.
And why in hell are you talking about "courage" in a Vanguard forums.. courage is what you need to finish a career to establish a bussines, to make youself someone in real life.
plz do not devaluate real courage meaning
I was just having some fun with healz dramma, some online fun.
So simply said you wouldn't have had the curage to do it.
Ok.. there you go Orphes.. almost got it, want a cookie? you cant try one more time..
A question here. Would you have the guts to do what Heal4u done.
Didnt really need the "guts" as I did had the brains to knew this game was a complete fraud after 2 hrs of playing it.
And why in hell are you talking about "courage" in a Vanguard forums.. courage is what you need to finish a career to establish a bussines, to make youself someone in real life.
plz do not devaluate real courage meaning
I was just having some fun with healz dramma, some online fun.
So simply said you wouldn't have had the curage to do it.
Ok.. there you go Orphes.. almost got it, want a cookie? you cant try one more time..
That pretty much summons up the part with internet and anonymousity.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
The reason I applied no quote of courage is as you have mentioned, there is none to have for anonymous use. Which I find strange that you state that there is indeed courage to be had. So which is it? There is courage or there is no courage? And if there happens to be a number of different kinds of courage, then please do define them.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
One of my heroes, Winston Churchill, said something along the lines that "courage is the one virtue necessary for all others." A person without courage can have no other virtues. (A virtue is a good habit; a vice is a bad habit).
I think what is perhaps more relevant is another one of Winston Churchill's sayings:
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject."
Meh, anyone with half a brain and a dose of common sense won't listen to healz4u.
Kind of reminds me of Fox News, completely incorrect and useless to a point of annoyance.
Sad how all his posts are walls of text trying to make him look intelligent.
Thank you! I am happy to hear I am still an "annoyance" to some of you. Believe it or not, I was getting worried.
I was not aware that my posts "make [me] look intelligent." I am not even sure how a post can "look intelligent." But I do know where to find intelligence; i.e., in a person's analysis. I find absolutely zero analysis in your post.
As for the "walls of text," I generally try to limit my posts to no more than three brief paragraphs when I can.
The reason I applied no quote of courage is as you have mentioned, there is none to have for anonymous use. Which I find strange that you state that there is indeed courage to be had. So which is it? There is courage or there is no courage? And if there happens to be a number of different kinds of courage, then please do define them.
I think you understood me anyway. But I try to rephrase it.
Even though one may have the courage to climb a tall ladder, jump from a cliff, swim in an ocean. There is possible that one don't have the courage to do walk in the dark.
And I do think that those things is another courage then the one you talked about and even a different one standing for ones opinion. What is the called civil courage?
Dont know what Healzz4u showed, but kudos for admitting things.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
Thank you! I am happy to hear I am still an "annoyance" to some of you. Believe it or not, I was getting worried.
I was not aware that my posts "make [me] look intelligent." I am not even sure how a post can "look intelligent." But I do know where to find intelligence; i.e., in a person's analysis. I find absolutely zero analysis in your post.
As for the "walls of text," I generally try to limit my posts to no more than three brief paragraphs when I can.
Here's some analysis: You believed that SOE would be the savor of Vanguard, when SOE has a history of doing completely the opposite.So explain to me what logic you used to think that SOE would do so well in updating the game, that it was "time to break out the champagne". Because based on that company's history I most certainly would NEVER have made such a claim.
To return to the basics, I never considered SOE a "savor." I always believed that Vanguard needed to be 1) fixed, 2) finished, and 3) enhanced. 1) Performance and bugs needed to be corrected. 2) The game needs to be finished in terms of classes (Berseker, Inquistor) to Quests to flying mounts to raid content. 3) The game needs to be enhanced with deeper character customization, additional Quests, more end-game activities and content, better use of land, fishing, inter alia.
The champagne, if you read the first post and previous posts, remained on ice until the game was 1) fixed, 2) finished, and 3) enhanced. However, in the discussion that followed, I stated the ice has melted and the champagne is warming. Progress has been too slow. Further, if SOE does 1) fix, 2) finish, and 3) enhance Vanguard, would it become a viable competitor?
In conclusion, I have never been the biggest SOE fan (an understatement). Today, I could not be happier with my MMORPGs, which are EQ 2 and SWG. I have not really enjoyed a MMORPG this much since I played EQ 1 pre-PoP. It was why I created a Topic whether SOE should terminate Vanguard to focus on a possible SWG 2.
To return to the basics, I never considered SOE a "savor." I always believed that Vanguard needed to be 1) fixed, 2) finished, and 3) enhanced. 1) Performance and bugs needed to be corrected. 2) The game needs to be finished in terms of classes (Berseker, Inquistor) to Quests to flying mounts to raid content. 3) The game needs to be enhanced with deeper character customization, additional Quests, more end-game activities and content, better use of land, fishing, inter alia.
The champagne, if you read the first post and previous posts, remained on ice until the game was 1) fixed, 2) finished, and 3) enhanced. However, in the discussion that followed, I stated the ice has melted and the champagne is warming. Progress has been too slow. Further, if SOE does 1) fix, 2) finish, and 3) enhance Vanguard, would it become a viable competitor?
In conclusion, I have never been the biggest SOE fan (an understatement). Today, I could not be happier with my MMORPGs, which are EQ 2 and SWG. I have not really enjoyed a MMORPG this much since I played EQ 1 pre-PoP. It was why I created a Topic whether SOE should terminate Vanguard to focus on a possible SWG 2.
I don't know. I think that SoE has done a great job fixing bugs and improving the performance of the game so far. I highly look forward to Game Update #2 next week.Loothur VonRichten
Wood Elven Ranger of the Florendyl RP Server
I play Everquest 2 daily, and I thoroughly enjoy the game. It has all the elements to what I consider to be a great MMORPG. I doubt I will ever return to Vanguard, even if the game is finished and subsequently enhanced.