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Who was the best general in history...?
sadeis
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I will personally give it to alexander the great.....he never lost.
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of course patton would be a close second
Scipio Africanus. The very definition of Roman virtue and manhood. The man who beat Hannibal. He had the right combination of charisma, daring, tenacity, and sheer bravery. He was well known for his chivalry (including his gracious actions towards his foe Hannibal), and also had the political intelligence to defeat constant subversive attacks by his enemies in Rome. Scipio demanded a position others thought a death-sentence and turned it into lasting victory. Also a great intellectual and skilled orator, and a man of tremendous faith (some might say insanely so).
Me.
No, I couldn't have given a nerdier reply.
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Agreed.
I'd actually have to give it to Hannibal Barca. He was often outnumbered and had to work with a wide diversity of troops that were largely a mix of Celtic and Germanic tribes working under Carthage regular troops. Getting these people to work together rather than kill each other had to have been a major undertaking.
He was not only able to turn the "barbarians" into a coherent fighting force, but was able to terrorize the Roman Empire for 15 years. He was so successful that Roman mothers would frighten their children by telling them that Hannibal was at the gates! Without the backing of Carthage however, he eventually had to flee to the inevitable attrition of prolonged conflict.
It was largely due to the fact that Carthage was run by merchants rather than men of war that Rome eventually destroyed all remnants of their culture. Hannibal had warned the Oligarchy of Carthage about the threat of Rome, yet never received full backing from Carthage. Guess greed is a deadly sin after all
I'd have to place Robert E. Lee up there somewhere too. Despite the massive fumbling of Gettysburg, Lee's battle record was exemplary.
That made me laugh...if I still had Rome: Total War installed on this PC I would load up one of my games where I have the world conquered and post it here
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
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Agreed.
I am going to have to read up on this historical figure...
For "modern day" a few have caught my attention: all on the eventual losing side of their prospective battles.
General Robert E. Lee - Confederate Commander - He was able to do so much with so little. I obviously don't agree with every ideal he was fighting for, but you do have to respect the skills that he brought to the field.
Commanders who could have made great generals if given the opportunity:
Erwin Rommel - 7th Panzer Division - World War II - If he had been given more a broader scope of control (as could have been said with most of the German command) instead of having to rely on running all ideas through Hitler, the outcome of WWII could very well have been different because of his abilities in the field.
Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson - Northern Virginian Army - Civil War - **Technically was a general however when combined with Lee's troops served as a Lieutinate General** Probably the best tactian of the Civil War (as were most of the southern leadership compared to the north's) and with him and Lee together, the South was a formidable opponent instead of a rabble. The north was extremely lucky that he got snipered by his own men.
**edited to correct rank**
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My apologies. That's the nerdiest reply.
Tho I'm a nerd for knowing who that is.
@Daendor:
I have a game with France where I yet have to take screens from/ That's really insane what I did there.
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Rommel would be my second choice.
Lee is definately up there as well. He could have been the leader of Union military forces if he wanted to, and even opposed secession, but when his home state rebeled he went with it. Had Virginia not seceded I'm not sure if he would have thrown in with the Union. He damn sure would have been better than Grant, referred to as a butcher by his own men.
Oh, MadAce, what game is that?
I'm both shocked and disgusted that noone has mentioned Gustav the second Adolf (Gustavus Adolphus of Sweden).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustavus_Adolphus_of_Sweden
He's my hero!
Oh, MadAce, what game is that?
It's Hearts Of Iron 2: DoomsDay.
It's the most realistic strategy game I ever played. You can play every country (except for tiny, tiny states, but you CAN play Luxenbourg) and start from as far as 1936 and play until 1954. But there are different scenario's.
The actions of the countries are all historical, except if you have some kind of influence on the world stage. Then they act in a different way.
For example in my Germany game (when I was a noob) I allied with Poland to concentrate on the West and take all countries and even Great-Britain.
Then I either invaded or allied with every balkan country. When the Russians saw my huge number of troops they declared war on ME and the war versus Russia started much earlier than OTL (our time-line).
Later on when I played as Russia I did nothing but revamp my economy and prep for war and Germany did everything on the right date. And then they invaded me exactly like in OTL (which I looked up later on). And I evern reacted like Russia did in OTL, and I EVEN changed my strategy the same way they did.
Without knowing what they historically did until later when I looked it up.
But eventually the crazy Russian war machine got into motion and millions of troops swamped over Europe. I conquered Nazi-Germany in march 1944, a month before D-Day.
I didn't liberate the countries conquered by the nazi's so tension grew with the Allies. But I knew I had time to prep for World War 3 until the Americansand the Brits were done with Japan, which they did late 1945. Without nukes. Then WW3 started. Allied resistance was significant but I took Great-Britain. It took years to prep to invade the US. In 1952 89 divisions (about a million soldiers) landed on the East Coast. After initial intense fighting (I really underestimated their defenses...) and boosting the invasion army with another million soldiers I had conquered North-America. Also thanks to a million American soldiers I had trapped in East-Russia (friggin counter-invasion, can you believe that?).
Russia Rules.
Tho I prefer my other savegame where I conquered... With a fascist France.
So it's a very, very cool game.
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I didn't list him because I'm a fan of the Holy Roman Empire. Don't mess with the Habsburgs.
Also, come on, he's like the only Swede in history of any importance (that's a freaking joke, if anyone takes offense they can get a sense of humor).
Huh? correct me if I'm wrong but Germany can't ally with Poland, the game mechanics doesn't allow it (unless you cheat.. of course) since even though you got 200+ (best) in diplomatic relations with them the chance (% wise) is still 0.
But yeah, great game. I remembered that I played it once as Sweden, made it National Socialist (cheated on this one with the 'freedom' cheat which allows you to move all the ideology sliders), conquered Scandinavia (later showed it to one of my Danish "friends" and then he got so pissed off he actually blocked my MSN for a while... danish bastard), joined Axis and then managed to conquer quite abit of the Soviet Union. However, my country got teared apart since D-day happened which made the German Warmachine lose it's power + some English bastards started to make their own D-day in Norway (+ my TC was overloaded)... Man that game was epic.
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I didn't list him because I'm a fan of the Holy Roman Empire. Don't mess with the Habsburgs.
Also, come on, he's like the only Swede in history of any importance (that's a freaking joke, if anyone takes offense they can get a sense of humor).
lolz.. the Swedish Empire managed to beat the Russians + the HRE without any allies at all (or ok, France supported us financially if I remembered it correctly).
I won't even comment this one (joke or not).
I didn't list him because I'm a fan of the Holy Roman Empire. Don't mess with the Habsburgs.
Also, come on, he's like the only Swede in history of any importance (that's a freaking joke, if anyone takes offense they can get a sense of humor).
lolz.. the Swedish Empire managed to beat the Russians + the HRE without any allies at all (or ok, France supported us financially if I remembered it correctly).
I won't even comment this one (joke or not).
Oh come on, the Empire was under attack by...freaking everyone. The Danes, the Swedish, the French, everyone had a go. Besides, my personal favorite general of that particular war, von Wallenstein, killed Gustavus Adolphus so meh. Actually, I think if the Emperor hadn't mistreated and distrusted von Wallenstein so badly, he'd have been there fromt he begining to beat off Gustavus Adolphus. But yes, mad props do indeed to that Swede (and he did technically win the battle in which he died).
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There were so many great generals its impossible for me to narrow it down to just one.
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The best general is the guy who achieve the best results with the least ressources.
Geronimo, Gengish Khan, Alexander the Great, Napoleon...I can't honestly say which one was the best among them. And what of all the battles in the New World? The French where often outnumbered at 20 vs 1 and they give the british quite many walk of shame (The Frenchs plans were to draw British troops out of Europe while commiting as few as possible...)
Is victory what matter? 300...they lost technically...but can anyone says they didn't have the greatest general without a doubt?
Also, the moment in time, in history...it is "easier" for some peoples, with less factors to consider. The byzantines definitely have scores of great generals.
William the Conqueror, as merely the Duke of Normandy impacts the British island (and conquer it) which in turns will impact the whole world. Or Joan of Arc? I mean...how do you define a best general?
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Hannibal and Rommel tie.
Napoleon and Patton tie for most overrated.
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