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thedrakon
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I'm really confused right now.
I was looking at a lot of place to buy a new PC
Right now, I'm thinking about a AMD ATHLON64 X2 6000+ 3.00G/2000/2M/AM2 (this one come with 4 gig ram 800mhz (corsair) and a Geforce 8800 GTS 640mg)
or INTEL CORE 2 DUO E6750 2.66G/1333/4M/S775 this one come with 4gig ram 667mhz (kingston) and Geforce 8800 GTS 640mg
or Intel® Core™ 2 Q6600 Quad-Core (8MB L2 cache,2.4GHz,1066FSB) (this one come with 4 gig ram 667mhz and a geforce 8800 GTX 768mg) (made by Dell)
Wich one should I take ?!?
thanks for the advice
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1) Don't buy Dell.
2) Build your own PC.
3) Penryns and the next generation of NVidia GeForce cards are coming out this fall. Wait for them. Prices will drop like rocks.
The third computer you list would be the best performer. Gotta go along with "build your own", though.
I also agree that you should consider waiting for the next gen graphics cards. While the 8800 GTX/Ultra are amazing cards, they're really not worth all the cash at the moment, in my opinion. It also won't be long at all until prices are cut and better performance cards are available.
If you live in the U.S. and are interested in ordering/building a computer piece by piece, go here: www.newegg.com
Building your own computer really isn't that hard. I just recently built my own without any outside help, with almost no prior knowledge on computer hardware. It just took a little research, a little reading. It is definitely worth it, unless you're a very rich person who can afford to blow a few thousand for high performance computers with no regard.
My big question more about the processor than the graphic card.
Thx for the hint about new card coming
... I wouldn't know
But ... Should I got intel or AMD ?
Is Quadcore worth it ? or It's better to find a good dual (intel or amd ?)
Oh, by the way, the first one is my own build, the second is a store submission I got ... and the third ... it's Dell ... They got the best deal ..
Amd or Intel? I would buy whatever is faster and overclocks better.
As for the amount of cores, not a lot of games support multi-core.
I would still buy a quad.
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=921&model2=873&chart=419
As much as I am an amd fan, nowadays, Intel duo and quad CPU simply leave anything AMD has to offer dead in the water.
you can check the charts and you will see that the top is dominated by intel cpus.
Now, this is not much surprising on its own as Intel always did super cpus. What is amazing is that the E6750, much faster than the Athlon 64 x2 6000+, cost only a few bucks more while the athlon 64 x2 6400+ (not in the charts as too new) cost MORE and might be still slower.
It used to be intel cpus costed a bucketload more as intel was more interested in the corporation market than the user market, but the trend has changed sensibly in the recent months/year.
So Intel.
Also. do NOT buy the GTS 8800 640 mb. buy the 320 mb. it cost 150 bucks less and give same performance. even more in certain cases.
You need the 640 mb only if you plan to use some otrageous resolutions like 1600x1200.
Also, it is true new cards are coming out.... new cards are ALWAYS coming out, If i would wait, i would never stop!
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
quad cores are better then duo because ... Quad=4 duo=2
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I would stick to the Core 2 Duos still, since only a couple programs and games utilize those, just get a motherboard that supports up to the QX line, and that will keep you in the mainstream for a year or more. Plus, if you get a motherboard that has the p35 chip (I think it's a northbridge chipset...), you can check to see if it supports both DDR2 and DDR3 RAM for the same reason.
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Intel
Heres 2 systems I been playing around with, its do it yourself, but it might help, you can always modify as you feel like,
Motherboard: Asus Striker Extreme, S775, NF680i SLI, ATX
Proccessor: Intel Core 2 Quad QX6700 2.66GHz, S775, 8MB, Box
RAM: Kingston DChannel 2GB Kit, 2x1GB DDR2 PC2-6400
RAM: Kingston DChannel 2GB Kit, 2x1GB DDR2 PC2-6400
Power supply: Enermax Galaxy EGX1000EWL, 1000W
HD: Producteigenschappen van Seagate Barracuda ES 500GB
HD: Producteigenschappen van Seagate Barracuda ES 500GB
Video: XFX GeForce 8800 GTX 630M 768MB XXX, PCIe
Video: XFX GeForce 8800 GTX 630M 768MB XXX, PCIe
Sound: Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi Fatal1ty, Retail
cooling: Thermaltake BigWater 735, 12cm Liquid Cooling System, s BTX/775/754/939/940
http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=318420
Housing: Cooler Master Centurion RC-533 AMMO 533 - black/silver
http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=29_90_1324&products_id=3651
Intel Core 2 Quadro Extreme QX6700 2.66GHz processor
Intel Approved Cooler
Asus Striker Extreme 680 nForce SLi (Socket LGA775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard
Corsair 2GB PC2-8500 1066MHz (2x1GB) CAS5 Dual Channel Kit
2 x Western Digital RaptorX 150GB 16MB cache SATA Hard Drives configured in RAID 0
GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB GDDR3 AVIVO HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) (SLI Configured)
GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB GDDR3 AVIVO HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) (SLI Configured)
NEC 7170A 18x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter (Black)
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty Professional Sound Card
Sony Black Floppy Drive
Antec NINE HUNDRED Gamers ATX Case (200mm fan)
Enermax Galaxy 1000W Next Generation ATX PSU
Operating System XP/Vista???
Good luck with it.
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lol..
you wont see a program(let alone a game) that utilizes quad threading unless your editing for Forbes, National Geographic, Playboy or working on a SGI station for Hollywood productions. and if you go Quad and plan on taking each core/thread (basically) up to a fastest Overclocked speed you can get..isnt it true that for massive money..there is really only one or two motherboards out that will allow for overclocking a quad core to see any notable difference or performance increase over a dou core?
no, yes, maybe?..arent those board like $250-400$!???
also....dont buy a dell?..lol..i kind of beg to differ in todays market, and projecting forward for app's and games in the next 1-2 years.
it depends really.
check out the DELL XPS systems( or equivalent...cyberpowersystem.com and such<---careful on their delivery charges...could cost you that bee-e-autiful 8800GTX!) ....the E6600 with a 8800GTX card...from Dell..in the 410 XPS gaming comp section is niii-i-i-ice.
you should be able to walk away with a comp for about 1400-1700 bucks and run a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g...including Crysis and any other game due out within the next 1-2 years, without a single hitch. I own many comps and configs...this is BY FAR..the BEST consumer COMP that CAN perform....and perform WELL..it does - get 4 full gigs of ram with the purchase and you are set ( ya ya..we all know about 32 bit and max ram vs. 64.....so some ram is going to waste..not really...but at 120 bucks for 2 gigs ....not bad at all)
. just one word to the wise......if you want the 8800 GTX AND 4 full gigs of ram...buy the base comp thru the normal system builder..but DONT add the card and 2 gigs of extra ram...WAIT until you are at the end of the system builder..then click "The Dell Store link above"...and "ADD" to your Cart, the RAM and VideoCard...you will save about 300 bucks...
its a bug/loophole dell has had with its pricing on its website for years and years. people assume , just build it fully in the system configurator and all-is-good...not the case...you can get many parts seperately..( but WILL come installed if purchased together)...
yielding uyou a very low price...where you CANT even build a system comparitively for the same.
besides.....dont you need a huge , high end Mobo to fully OC a quad core anyway to get the same results of just ONE of the cores to compare with a Dou speeds and performance?
dont most of the mobo's ( that you mainly DONT want to be dealing with manually, as a gamer)...that support quad core, restrict you for crucial timings needed to push the clocks speeds to a point where you would only see marginal performance increase in our , nowadays, less-than processor hungry and speed-needy programs and games?
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Thx for those advice ...
But .. when does card are supposed to go out ? didn't find any information. If it's in september or early october, I could wait. But later ... Nah
I would like to be able to ignore Dell, but they offer soo damn good deal. I tried to build the same comp they were offering me and it would cost like 300 too 500 more dollars. I can't spend more than 2 000 canadian dollars, I want to buy the best thing I can with that amount of money. Right now, Dell offered me the best deal, I just don't think the quadcore would really be usefull. (read some article about it, and since they're no real software using it, it would be a waste (just like buying a 64 bit when they were no 64 bit OS) It can give a lil advantage, but nothing worht the bucks.
Soo, I should look for an intel ? right ...
graphic card ... 8800 GTS 640 isn't good ? I should go 8800 GTX instead ? (rawr this one is costly, unless I buy dell comp)
I've heard that Vista required more ram, that's why I'm looking for at least 4 gigs, but some people don't seem to agree.
Yeah, I'm going vista, you always need to move foward someday, and for me, it's the good time.
just take a look at a dell XPS 410 with the E6600 processor and with 4 gigs of ram and a 8800gtx.
great buy.
imo
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2) Unless you're overclocking there is an advantage to quad core. At stock speeds a 2.4 ghz quad is on par with a 2.93 ghz C2D. It doesn't overclock as well though. Also, with a quad your system will last longer as quad core programs will be coming sooner that you think. (there are already some out there) Also, a program that is dual core will see better performance as other tasks will be pushed to the other 2 processors.
3) if you're building you own and the price comes out to be more than Dell then you are comparing Oranges to Apples. I build computers a lot for work, and will ever build buying from Dell is anywhere from 30-50% more with lesser equipment.
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but he must go with 4 gigs...of course some will goto waste as i mentioend above....but to overcome the 2 gigs needed by vista and anything else in the background, then of course , add to that what is comfortably needed for gaming, you still need to drop the buck and go for the 4 gigs within the confines of that configuration from dell...price positive though...its cheap!....even though when you start 32 bit games/apps' the memory for backgorund apps is suspended persay...you still need more then 2 gigs...and to have your proc and ram operate properly in duel channel and take FULL advantage of the RAM, you will NEED the 4gigs.
period.
need 1-2 gig's for vista..that leaves ONLY option for these users..to buyy 4 gigs....but price per pound..its the best way to go...
hands down..
not contest..
I have 3 XPS 410's configured for my store in three differing ways..theory is theory....but when a customer sits in front of an ACTUAL system and plays it......let the truth be known.
/nod..
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Where do people come up with this crap? Vista does not need 2 gigs of ram. I wish people would stop trying to see how stupid they can sound the second the Vista gets brought up.
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of course it does not need it..
but for the averag user..1 gig is optimal..what is needed for gaming beyond that?...1 gig. 1.5? 2gigs?.....
well being stuck in a duel channel world...what is one to do.......you must bridge that void buy goign with 4 gigs....and at 120 bucks for 2 gigs.....why bother with anything else...
plug and play baby,...the way to go.
why bother with shutting off all kinds of services and ying yanging around with a bunch of junk that you dont have too...especially when your ending up paying the same amount of money. if you want a system that you can take out of the box...turn on..and NEVER do anything to...AND be able to play games for 1 -2 years without worryinfg of a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g. then...XPS 410 with those options listed above with fill the gap.
plain and simple.
goof around with all the high tech equipment and building everyone may think their getting more performance and deals with: but the truth be known...a simple 1400-1700 dollar system from dell with 4 gigs of ram and 8800 gtx CANT BE BEAT
period;
its that simple..try to beat it.
no website has been able to
at all..
price positive...its a consumers world atm....( for about 6 months again).....hehe history repeats itselfs every 18 months when it comes to technology.
been that way since the 20's...when someone famous even mentioend that.
anyway...XPS 410 with those options CANT be beat.,....even if you build a system by yuorself..the only thing you MAY get done better is liquid cooling on esentially the SAME system..why bother.
its not needed.
neither is GTX OC card. g90 series..waste for 1-2 years too.....less power consumption my arse!
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Look up Alan Wake - will be supporting 4 cores, as well as Crysis and the new unreal 3 engine. Also world in conflict i believe.
As far as overclocking a intel quad core, i bought the evga 680i t1 version for 150$ and a q6600 2.4 ghz. If you check out the evga.com forums you can see a pretty decent success rate with oc'ing the q6600 to 3.0ghz plus.
Lick Here you could be one of the lucky 10!!!
i would say if you can wait a while before needing a new comp wait till new generation of proc arrive since all nice to have dual core quad core and even octo core at sun but windows can't make any use out of it you need fully smp system that only come whit windows server version ....
don't break your head too mutch over thing if you get 2 gig of memory that enough don't go higher even runing windows ultimate if you wanna try running that since all other vista are at 521mb minimum requiremtns hm mean having 4 time that that enough and you can alwayus add ram after if you realy need it ...
now for video cards hm there one stupid thing about them ... they are way more powerfull then a proc can do so its realy nice to have the latest video card if you don't plugin real multi proc machine they are of no use .... you need a amd FX to be able to get the bandwidht needed for those cards fully .... and you need the memory that can take that means memory at around 2066 so not for now take a good machine don't go for high stuff as long as we still run hard drive and not flash cards instead and we don't bring up the hole mother boards procs and video to the same speed lvls ... there no use in getting those things you don't need to spend 2000 dolars no a comp .... buy a sli board put in two bit smaller card plug in some corsair memory in cas 4 and don't plug in the biggest proc you can get it not worth hes price in anyways .... say exxept ir your gone do development or building stuff not for playing games i'm still runnin all games on a amd 2400 whit 1 gig mem .... and a 6600 gt agp card and still running all games ... so be bit patient or don't spend a fortune
yes..actually. it is online , as of several weeks ago...that the "Q' was brought to 4.5 gig's, upwards of 5 gigs before flopping into the canyons of instability. ..of course with massive cooling , highest end ram you can find , 1000watt Powersuplly all kinds of gadgets and whatnot..who has 300-500 bucks for cooling on a few more clock cycles!...and the a few hundred more on all the accessories.....total cost just isnt worth talking about!!...>>Lmao!...especially for games that will be coming out within the NEXT 1 to 2 YEARS!?....mheh...none of the games coming will require that kind of muscle...they would NEVER be able to sell there product!
It, simply, isnt worth it...and as far as crysis is concerned...LOL>.how many threads can a two thread game really utilize from a quad core running 4 threads when the game wil not even offer that.? even if they manage to utilize all threads (which they have stated they would...i cant possibly imagine what they could add on another thread running in a fps game that would necessitate utilization of an entire thread or two...for what?...ebay gold buying?!)...for what purpose in a FPS game!???..heh. its almost laughable.
will you be playing the game running your bosses' SGI interface or a Hollywood video editor at the same time your playing Crysis?!?!?...highly doubtful..or maybe Several instances of CAKEWALK whilst you record your singer and drummers backbeats....highly doubtful again, even if you were....how many gamers sitting at home even need that...or will even need that beyond those conditions listed above within the next 1 - 2 years....(which would be ...the EXACT same time that YOU would be upgrading from a quad core to something better a-n-y-w-a-y!!!!???)
whats next in the future..why bother with quad core, when intel has been testing peripheral boards that hold 180 processors on them?!?!...thats 180 processors on ONE(1) , count them, 1 board! mheh.
Can you imagine going to your local bestbuy to buy a 180 processor board for your comp..and this board will plug in and install just as it would if it were, a sound card addition thT you were adding to your comp!???
?
no reason for a gamer that wants to play ALL games coming out within the next 1 - 2 year to spend over 1400-1700 bucks, to be able to play all those game on FULL HIGH SETTINGS.....just to say..."hey dude..i have a quad core.:"
makes no sense
not until '09 - at least!
to the OP.......going lower on the vid card will/can save you ALOT of cash.....such as the GTS 640..but then agaihn..if your not planning on buying a gtx or g90 series when they come out..i would suggest nabbing the gtx system you have above...the difference in processor and ram performance between the two systems listed above...is nothing compared to the difference of the two vid cards
listed.
the comps themselves both././.will do about equal...but i will bet a " dollar to a donut " that, the GTX system will fair better in games....quite.
its up to you ultimately....by Xmas the GTX should be closer to 350 bucks. but the wait is up to you.
One system we have here is a simple DELL 410 xps with 2 gigs of ram( NOT the 4 i suggested) and a 8800gtx card
it runs a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g.picka game..it doesnt matter..it runs them all , full blown and wide open...anything....i cant see Crysis bogging down this comp in the least.( AND YES...dell supplied a competant Power Supply..and BOTH Molex connectors are fully connected and drawing full power...no probs!)
any other game coming out in 1 -2 years......nope.....that one machine can handle it NO PROBS.
total cost of that machine 1399 bucks,...WITH a gtx and 2 gigs. and vista!(m and this was BEFORE the july '07 price drop of MANY products that this was purchased)..so it could actually be cheaper than what i said
in 20-30 years of computers..i have never seen a comp i couldnt build for the same price.
honestly.
just the gtx and ram would cost me 600-800 bucks alone.
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Especially with DDR2 ram taking a crash from the Vista hype of earlier this year. 2 gigs of DDR-800 ram is about 120 USD, depending on deals at New Egg.
But I put my own system together for about 1200USD (all box components required plus monitor, router (for my second computer to share my ISP access), keyboard/mouse, and even a nice new webcam).
One word of warning on Dell machines. All software support voids on the reformatting of the Vista image on the HDD. It can be 'unvoided' by reinstallation of the Vista image, but you can't get help for any other OS, even if it's XP (unless it came on the machine as is with it...).
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Especially with DDR2 ram taking a crash from the Vista hype of earlier this year. 2 gigs of DDR-800 ram is about 120 USD, depending on deals at New Egg.
But I put my own system together for about 1200USD (all box components required plus monitor, router (for my second computer to share my ISP access), keyboard/mouse, and even a nice new webcam).
One word of warning on Dell machines. All software support voids on the reformatting of the Vista image on the HDD. It can be 'unvoided' by reinstallation of the Vista image, but you can't get help for any other OS, even if it's XP (unless it came on the machine as is with it...).
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prices are really nice right now. Last week I got 2 gigs of DDR 850 for the price you mentioned (after rebate) The week before I bought 2x 750 gig hard drives for $189 each. Awesome stuff.
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ok look at it this way... if you go with core duo you will prolly have to upgrade in 2-3 years ..... if you get a quad yu wont have to upgrade for about 4-5 years. Dont get 4 gigs of ram unless you have a 64 bit OS, anything but that will not read the 4 gigs. Dell's are shit dont bother with them. Intel is better then AMD. Not sure what else there is to say ... the 8800 GTS 640mb is good, matters on the price though. as for Dell being cheaper then building your own computer ... thats HIGHLY unlikely. check www.newegg.com or www.tigerdirect.com or maybe even www.geek.com although i perfer newegg.
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I would really love to know why people are so negative about dell ?
Is there any real reason ?
I mean, still blizzard used dell comp, why would this be a shit ?
I've got a dell notebook, I've got some little problem with my HD .. but they replace it and now it's run fine. ( could happen to anyone)
Soo, what's the big deal ?
and .. for any other website, I'm canadian, it will cost me some real money for shipping or anything.