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Dark and Light: VWORLD Sues NPCube and Farlan

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  • dragon733dragon733 Member UncommonPosts: 31
    Originally posted by niakori

    I'm curious to see if DnL survives these allegations.  I would think that Farlan is in a bit of trouble as it is, this lawsuit is only the cherry of the sundae of doom they've made for themselves.  I think I want a sundae....

    LOL I agree 100%!

    DnL had so much potential, but they just destroyed the game. I was really looking forward to it for months on end before it came out. I really expected it to be revolutionary, something ground breaking. It definitely wasn't!

    Playing: BF2142

    Waiting For: Jumpgate: Evolution

    Played: UO, DAoC, MCO, EQ, AO, TSO, Shadowbane, Planetside, SWG, FFXI, CoH, L2, EQ2, WoW, MxO, EVE, AoC

    Played 6mo+: UO, EVE

  • freizofreizo Member UncommonPosts: 20
    Originally posted by SBE1


    DnL isn't a game, it's a scam. 



    DnL isn't a scam, it's the biggest scam in history. They took so much money from all us subscribers.

    So many promises, not one made true. Probably the worst communication with subscribers and community ever known.

    So much money, so much anger, so much wasted time.

    Farlan, go back to the pit that spawned you !!!!

     

  • BadTBadT Member Posts: 84

    Totally agree with the general consensus regarding this legal process.

    The creator is more than right in his pursuit against these people. Numerous false claims, deceitful business practices in just about every area and one of the worst games in the history of mmos.

    It will be a long time coming but I am happy to see someone take a stand against this sleazy company.

  • SassiassismeSassiassisme Member Posts: 59

    Probably the best thing that ever happened to the mmo gaming community is to see a lawsuit against these people at Farlan.

  • ZAGANZAGAN Member Posts: 236

    Ohh Wat's the matter now, God it's FREE. Balloons all work Quests work, the whole game has changes sense, Solded  OUT was posted.

    No more worries because there are Arrows and dots to help you now in your Quest log or do most of you need someone to hold your hand as well,  baa so lets trash the game. Ohh you have to start thinking at level 20 SOOO sry about that. Now that we have said that lets move on to Vanguard another you all seem to like to trash but i wonder how many of you have ran to EQ2 or back to SWG and will leave those to the run to the Trial for Vanguard in neck breaking speed. wow am i nasty or what. not at all just being honest. and you know i am wright.

       Gees i hate SOE. LIES i tell ya, how in gods name could i hate SOE.  let me see was it EQ1,SWG, EQ2, VANGUARD. I don't think so.

     starts stacking piles of wood for you all to start the fires.

  • PriscilapramPriscilapram Member Posts: 67

    As an ex-pioneer and a sometime "give the benefit of the doubt" attempted player of the now currently free 2 play DNL I can tell you from first hand experience that 1) No, the quests are still broken 2) No no new content enough to keep anyone interested 3) transpo is still out of whack 4) NPCs are still out of whack 5) graphics are still messed up and grade school level 6) stability is non-existent and finally 7) the game has not changed since the farce that was SOG.

    Farlan deserves all the legal hits it can take and more. I will even pass them the shovel to make sure their grave is deep enough in mmo history.

  • QSatuQSatu Member UncommonPosts: 1,796

    I can't belive DnL is still around and Auto Assault is gone o__O

  • GorillaGorilla Member UncommonPosts: 2,235

    Originally posted by ZAGAN


    Ohh Wat's the matter now, God it's FREE. Balloons all work Quests work, the whole game has changes sense, Solded  OUT was posted.
    No more worries because there are Arrows and dots to help you now in your Quest log or do most of you need someone to hold your hand as well,  baa so lets trash the game. Ohh you have to start thinking at level 20 SOOO sry about that. Now that we have said that lets move on to Vanguard another you all seem to like to trash but i wonder how many of you have ran to EQ2 or back to SWG and will leave those to the run to the Trial for Vanguard in neck breaking speed. wow am i nasty or what. not at all just being honest. and you know i am wright.
       Gees i hate SOE. LIES i tell ya, how in gods name could i hate SOE.  let me see was it EQ1,SWG, EQ2, VANGUARD. I don't think so.
     starts stacking piles of wood for you all to start the fires.

    So if I steal your car burn your house and kill your family provided I return the car in working order its all OK? This is about  whether Farlan stole intellectual property. It's about whether they grossly mis-represented the game to defraud people outta money. I'm sure the game is fantastic now and I am glad you are enjoying it. Oh The reason that Vanguard is sited for comparison is because McQuaid/Sigil allegedly grossly misrepresented the game to solicit money from backers and customers. It is not about how good (or not the game is now). Sorry no flaming but I guess I could be persuaded

  • ElikalElikal Member UncommonPosts: 7,912

    Well, all who had the misfortune to play this game (like me) saw this coming a long time. I am surprised it comes so late. I dont think there is much money left now to milk out, heh.

    Quite a surprise DnL still exists! lol

    People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert

  • ZorvanZorvan Member CommonPosts: 8,912
    Originally posted by Elikal


    Well, all who had the misfortune to play this game (like me) saw this coming a long time. I am surprised it comes so late. I dont think there is much money left now to milk out, heh.
    !Quite a surprise DnL still exists lol

    Well, ya know, shit floats. 

  • ElikalElikal Member UncommonPosts: 7,912

    Originally posted by Zorvan

    Originally posted by Elikal


    Well, all who had the misfortune to play this game (like me) saw this coming a long time. I am surprised it comes so late. I dont think there is much money left now to milk out, heh.
    !Quite a surprise DnL still exists lol

    Well, ya know, shit floats. 


    LOL

    Thanks for explaining the world to me, finally. Oh my, after all these years. 

    People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert

  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604

    This whole thing stinks and is getting stinkier.

    For some reason, they (the editors here) allow this newsworthy piece of information, not only for the people of DNL, both haters and those that claim to like the "game", but also for the mmo industry as a whole, yet the moderator at the game forum here disallows this article to be posted in the DNL boards here. Stating its pretty much none of our busines......

    DNL people come over, flame the long time posters, they lock the thread. Someone reposts the article with the disclaimer that it is up for updates of the court case and reasonable discussions only and whammo, it disappears.

    curiouser and curiouser............

  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604

    Originally posted by Thor79


     

    Originally posted by liddokun

    Dark and Light ? Is that game still alive ? I thought it's already gone since what 1998?

     

    It started development before 2003 I think...didn't get released until 2005 (I think)...and was a failure from before the launch. They ran a free limited scope game for 6 months

    This was called SOG. The devs insisted that this was NOT dnl, was a "standalone game" and was "a gift to the loyal fans". This SOG was a horrendous failure. All the while Farlan explaining it was a gift and that is was NOT Dnl.

    and launched the game despite a lot of their potential customers telling them not to.

    Farlan then claimed on the internet, for God and everybody to see, that they were forced by the fans to release DNL in the state it was in...unfinished and unplayable. This was after the thousands of refunds and thousands of complaint posts on boards all over the net after SOG was released and before the official release. As it turned out, SOG was in fact DNL, just as the Beta testers, who later came out due to the outright lies being placed by Farlan, had claimedThey claim that the creator of VWORLD is the one and only one person who should shoulder the blame for the poor excuse of a mmo in the history of the mmo world.

    They were forced to offer free subscriptions to try to keep people interested in the game.

    This is after they tried to NOT refund people, after they billed countless people who had cancelled their account, after their many promised "miracle patches" did nothing but break the game further and after trying to get the monkey off their back by bringing in Snailgames.

    And of course, all the while claiming to have developed the VWORLD tech themselves but then turning around and accusing the real creator of employing an "unbreakable code" so they could not "fix" the same stuff they claim to have created. If this were true even in the slightest sense, then Mr. _Pix_ should have his own office at the White House to place this "unbreakable code" in every homeland security we have :)

     

  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726

    The most laughable thing is that vworld thinks they can market such trash.  Come on, that technology is at least 4 years old and it looks dated.

  • ZorvanZorvan Member CommonPosts: 8,912

     

    Originally posted by Ozmodan


    The most laughable thing is that vworld thinks they can market such trash.  Come on, that technology is at least 4 years old and it looks dated.

    It's not about marketing that "trash", as you call it. It's about Farlan staking claim to someone else's work as their own.

     

    And that "outdated technology" was state of the art when originally developed by _Pix_. He and his company have since developed a bigger and better version.

     'Course, if you meant DnL was 4 year old, outdated trash, then you'd be correct.

  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604

    Originally posted by Zorvan


     
    Originally posted by Ozmodan


    The most laughable thing is that vworld thinks they can market such trash.  Come on, that technology is at least 4 years old and it looks dated.

    It's not about marketing that "trash", as you call it. It's about Farlan staking claim to someone else's work as their own.

     

    And that "outdated technology" was state of the art when originally developed by _Pix_. He and his company have since developed a bigger and better version.

     'Course, if you meant DnL was 4 year old, outdated trash, then you'd be correct.


    Correct Zorvan, what they are seeing in DNL is of course what Mr. _Pix_ had done way back when....VWORLD has indeed successfully moved on and has of course the updated versions on his site. There however has been no improvement nor updates to this VWORLD tech in the actual DNL game itself since (again citing their claim of an "unbreakable code" left by the real creator of something they are claiming to have developed themselves) Mr. _Pix_ and several others of the team left about 3 -4 years ago.

    And this is indeed about Farlan claiming ownership in someone else's work (work that was developed YEARS in advance -- when DNL was just a twinkle in Farcelands eye) and not about marketing. I would think the mmo industry is very interested to see how this all pans out and so far, as before, Farceland is showing its complete ignorance in all aspects.

  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604

    CASE IN POINT:

     

    This is VERRRYYY interesting indeed:

    *edited to conform to topic only**

    on Stratics.com, in May 2004:

     http://www.stratics.com/content/portals/e3/content/features/dl/2004.php:

    We were greeted by Laurent Paret who lead custom through the first share of our turn in the Dark and Light world. One of the first things you note is the wonderful ground rendering technology called VWorld. With the infinate view distance, the combination of Strong Micro ? S BigWorld engine and the VWorld ground rendering technology make for has beautiful sight and game playing experiment. The 15,000 public garden miles of prospectable Land to explores was made with actual satellite photographs taken of the earth. Thesis photographs were tweaked and made to made together to form shares of the world. The shares of the realm are consist and exist ace has whole. Dark and Light does not require “zoning” because of the technology that the game is using.

     

    But now, it was only developed while he was employed by them? How then can it be under another company's name and that said company owners' name is Vincent Pourieux? 

    BWHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA    

  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604

    New updates at VWORLD

    http://www.pourieux.com

     

  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604

    An account in English is now available on pourieux.com (http://www.pourieux.com/DnLHistoryEn.htm), presenting a lot of facts and links/documents. I think this can help to have a clearer picture of what NPCube/ Farlan and al did and still do.

     

    **Apparently, the first court date was a no-show by the Farlan parties, lawyers included. Case postponed until next month.

  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604

    UPDATE:

    A new update...  (source

     

    April 2007- [VWORLD - Paris  Court]

    A court action is brought before the Paris Court. NPCube and Farlan will have to account for the 3 following charges of indictment:

    - Software counterfeit

    - Non-respect of the right to credit and paternity

    - Unfair competition and parasitism



    The writ is also served upon the same charges on César Jacquet, jointly with the companies NPCube and Farlan.



    September 2007- [VWORLD - Paris  Court]

    The first hearing took place on the 6th of September, 2007, before the Paris Court. However, Farlan and NPCube's lawyers did not appear before the Judge, whereas they were to file their submissions on that occasion. Due to their not coming to this first hearing,  the hearing is postponed to the 19th of October.

    Although NPCube and Farlan did not file their submissions with the Paris Court to address the lawsuit brought up against them by VWORLD in April 2007, NPCube has issued a writ against VWORLD on September 21 before the Commercial Court of Clermont-Ferrand. VWORLD is charged with unfair competition and damage to NPCube's reputation, and VWORLD's lawyers are invited to file their submisions on October 5th, 2007.



    October 5, 2007- [VWORLD - Commercial Court of Clermont-Ferrand]


    VWORLD's defense appears on the 5th of October, 2007 and therefore files its submissions within the time allowed before the Commercial Court of Clermont-Ferrand. According to NPCube, VWORLD would be responsible for:

    1- Dark and Light's failure

    2- NPCube/SnailGame partnership's failure on DnL Asia

    3- NPCube/University of Reunion Island partnership's failure on the E-Campus project



    Besides, NPCube claims today having been making use of SCAPER for the development of the Mafate game engine and the Dark and Light's MMORPG.



    Octobre 19, 2007- [VWORLD - Paris  Court]


    The second hearing before the Paris Court takes place. Whereas they were to file their submissions at last, neither NPCube nor Farlan's lawyers appear before the Judge, for the second time. This hearing is marked by two sudden new developments:

    - NPCube and Mr César Jacquet's defense counsel  goes back on his commitments to his clients and entrusts the case to another lawyer

    - Farlan's lawyer is struck of the bar and de facto does no longer represent the off-shore Mauritian company



    The new lawyer of NPCube, Mr César Jacquet and Farlan explains later on the same day that he has filed his submissions after the hearing, due to French public sector workers' strike.

     

  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604

    Latest Update:

     

    Well... today 's update:  (source)

     

    November 9, 2007- [VWORLD - Commercial Court of Clermont-Ferrand]

    NPCube files its submissions in reply to VWORLD's on last October 5th. In its submissions, VWORLD pointed out that it could not be held in any way responsible for NPCube's various failures, failures which seemed to be quite simply directly imputable to NPCube's own doings, notably its own deceitful communication. NPCube's reply consists in simply repeating its accusations against VWORLD and holding that VWORLD's submissions were "off the point", and therefore chosing not to reply further. The next hearing is scheduled

  • Xix13Xix13 Member Posts: 259

    Originally posted by HappyFunBall

    Let me burn in hell, I say.



    For all the "rules" they have broken.

    For the software/technology they falsely claim is theirs.

    ...and, most importantly, for the way they have treated their customers.



    I still want EI interactive to burn (and their "new" parent company), for destroying my favorite game, Horizons.  Also, for all the people they have double/triple billed for many, many months, users they censored on their forums (or kicked off just for having a negative (and ACCURATE) opinion about the game, and how they made it near impossible to quit the game, and stop being billed.. among other things.  Love how they couldn't take the time to simply transfer user accounts from the Blight server, as they decided to kill it, and they KNEW many users played there as their primary server.  They made up some story how they would transfer accounts for this ONE guild, and as it turns out, that guild didn't even exist!  I never have a worse experience with a game company in almost 30 years of gaming.

    Poor Horizons!  This was one of my favorites too, but it seems it was plagued with horrible companies right from the start.

    As for DnL...like many others, I'm wondering "is this game still around?  Yikes!"

    -- Xix
    "I know what you're thinking: 'Why, oh WHY, didn't I take the BLUE pill?'"

  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604

    UPDATE: 12/7/07

    Originally posted by _Pix_

    Well, patience is a great virtue for sure. I have interesting news indeed:

     December 7, 2007- [VWORLD - Paris  Court]

    The Paris Court enjoins NPCube, Farlan, and Mr  César Jacquet to reply to the substance of the three charges of indictment (software counterfeit, non-respect of the right to credit and paternity, unfair competition and parasitism) brought by Mr Vincent Pourieux and VWORLD, before the next hearing scheduled on February 1st, 2008.

    So, we are now *patiently* waiting for the 17 th of January in the case NPCube brought against VWORLD, and for a set of conclusions finally on the part of NPCube/Farlan/C. Jacquet. for the February hearing before the Paris Court (the one they wanted to be cancelled on the ground of technicalities).  

    Oh, also NPCube has just been condemned in another case. Not too sure they will advertise as much for that that SnailGame now advertises for its future Asian version of Dark and Light. Quite interesting to see how they use VWorldTerrain videos dating 2005 now to promote the neverending game (while cropping the appropriate logo, of course). Truly fascinating. Update of the day on www.pourieux.com.

  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604

    It would appear as though the Paris court agrees that there is sufficient evidence and other findings in the suit against Farlan/NPC/C.Jacquet to impose their authority to compel an answer to the charges against them in the courts.

    If this doesnt show just how ignorant Farlan/NPC/C.Jacquet has been in this entire deal, I dont know what does. The LAST thing you should ever do is pi** off the court. LOL They wont last long now.

  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604

    I LOVE THIS:

    originally posted by _Pix_

    Thank you so much for this worthy piece of news indeed, agh50!

    I must confess that your contribution of the day assuredly spared me spending valuable time digging heaps of information on the Chinese boards.

    So to comment this advertisement trailer quickly: we can see that it is mainly presenting video sequences from the 2003-2004 DnL trailers (apart from the section dedicated to Voyage Century and Alone in the Dark , which, for the latter, you must certainly acknowledge, cannot decently have anything to do with NPCube/Farlan/ BigWorld or SnailGame). Anyway...what I cannot but clearly point out is that in the main part dedicated to DnL, it presents excerpts from a VWORLD video shot in 2005 and illustrating features of VWorldTerrain which are NOT included in Dark and Light

    For thruth's sake, nothing better than proof-in-point images: link on VWORLD's Gallery, in which the reader may find the original video at the bottom of the page: http://www.vworld.fr/Gb/GBvideos.htm

    Therefore, as of today, not only do SnailGame/ Farlan/NPCube (who else???) use videos that do not belong to them, but they blatantly truncate the original VWORLD video by cropping the top and bottom little details, like you know, small insignificant stuff like logos, comments, etc.

    Here are two screenhots so that the reader may already appreciate the situation at a glance, though he may find some more enlightening elements in the latest update of www.pourieux.com.

    On the left-hand side: the warez Snailgame and Co  version. On the right-hand side the VWORLD original version.

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