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Return of the Jedi

StellosStellos Member UncommonPosts: 1,491

Kudos to SOE for the Return of the Jedi feature allowing former players to log back into their old accounts for 21 days to see new features.  I'm sure this will amount in a number of people coming back to SWG.  However, to me it seems like a desperate cry for help lol.  If the game was that good then they wouldn't need to offer free online time.  Doesn't seem fair to those who stuck it out even when things weren't going well and continued to pay.  Maybe they should be credited 21 days for their loyality lol.  Just a thought.  What do you all think?

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  • iwantmyswgiwantmyswg Member Posts: 301

    it is letting people come back in that way just shows that the game is a mess & how no one is playing. i don't see warcraft or lord of the rings giving away free time like that. oh yeah they have players and don't need to do that.

    swg is a joke i think the devs are just happy that they where able to bribe people like fisher over to their side.

  • SuvrocSuvroc Member Posts: 2,383

    This is my 3rd 21-day trial.

    61 days so far this year, the equivalent of 2 months.

    I think current subscribers should be given a price reduction for compensation. I find it shameful that past subscribers seem to be more important to SOE then current subscribers.

  • ShaydeShayde Member Posts: 4,529

    You know what's worse?

    The thousands and thousands who refuse to return, even if it is free.

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  • iskariskar Member Posts: 39

    Originally posted by Shayde


    You know what's worse?
    The thousands and thousands who refuse to return, even if it is free.
    Correct answer for the win.

     

    And the said part is that its true.

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  • admriker4admriker4 Member Posts: 1,070

    I took a peek to see if my house was still there (it was).

    The UI still stinks like rotting garbage. Some desperate vets trying to keep me playing offered to walk me through ways to fix the UI to resemble pre-nge. After 10 minutes of that I told them I had to log.

    The combat is still stupid. The animations, once a strength of SWG was reduced to eye-gouging sparkles that hurt to look at. Its still a silly FPS bleh.

    The graphics look really bad now and I dont mean dated. The devs did something to the shaders effect. It has a weird glowy / shady look to it now. I recall reading something about improvements being added in some patch notes I saw post-nge. Why does it look so awful now ?

    Whats up with the pathetic chat box ? Even Toontown has seperate box tabs for group chat lol. SWG used to have a great chat box with tabs for everything.

    It only took me an hour to quit again.

  • SuvrocSuvroc Member Posts: 2,383

    Originally posted by admriker4


    I took a peek to see if my house was still there (it was).
    The UI still stinks like rotting garbage. Some desperate vets trying to keep me playing offered to walk me through ways to fix the UI to resemble pre-nge. After 10 minutes of that I told them I had to log.
    The combat is still stupid. The animations, once a strength of SWG was reduced to eye-gouging sparkles that hurt to look at. Its still a silly FPS bleh.
    The graphics look really bad now and I dont mean dated. The devs did something to the shaders effect. It has a weird glowy / shady look to it now. I recall reading something about improvements being added in some patch notes I saw post-nge. Why does it look so awful now ?
    Whats up with the pathetic chat box ? Even Toontown has seperate box tabs for group chat lol. SWG used to have a great chat box with tabs for everything.
    It only took me an hour to quit again.
    Seriously, I can't stand being in that game for more then 10 mins at a time.

    I've tried though. Some time ago I was able to get upto lvl 87 before I felt like ripping my hair out from absolute bordom and frustration at the monotonous combat.

     

  • GinazGinaz Member RarePosts: 2,574

    Its still gunk.  If anyone tells you its significantly different from when nge was 1st released then they are either full of shit or deluding themselves.  I tried the recent trial and apart from a few things, combat-wise, nothing has changed.

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  • SioBabbleSioBabble Member Posts: 2,803

    The fundamental problem is that the "speeded up" graphics to give the illusion of "fast" game play have messed up nearly everything.  The engine is being asked to do things all the time that it was once asked to do only on occaision, and it shows, badly.  The NGE did this, and the NGE damaged the look and feel of the world...which was once one of SWG's greatest strengths (the world's most beautiful chat room).

    And like the rest of you I miss the beautiful animations of old. 

    Instead of addressing issues like server side lag, rubberbanding (still happening four years later!), choppy presentation of a character running, etc,  the SWG team has obviously shrugged its shoulders and said "close enough for corporate work" and left it the way it is.

    Watching my bothan spy move is painful...the running is jerky and sometimes he freezes in a pose and moves right along regardless.

    I haven't even begun to discuss the idiocy of destroying the UI for the sake of destroying the UI that was done both in the CU and the NGE....

    CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.

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  • IcoGamesIcoGames Member Posts: 2,360

    Free Trial = Smed needs to show an increase in active players at the next Board Meeting.

    Ico
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  • suskesuske Member Posts: 714

    i heard they found a dead mouse in the nge once....

  • lordstarwolflordstarwolf Member Posts: 53

    I logged back in (hell, it's free) to find I still had all my mustafar stuff, even though I had a refund issued to me lol.  Only thing I can't do is go to mustafar.  I had completed most of the mustafar content with both my chars (jedi and a bh) when the nge was announced. 

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  • SioBabbleSioBabble Member Posts: 2,803

    Originally posted by lordstarwolf


    I logged back in (hell, it's free) to find I still had all my mustafar stuff, even though I had a refund issued to me lol.  Only thing I can't do is go to mustafar.  I had completed most of the mustafar content with both my chars (jedi and a bh) when the nge was announced. 
    Yeah, I guess the devs couldn't come up with a quick and easy way of robbing all that Mustafar stuff  from those who had ToOW and then asked for a refund when it was gimped beyond recognition by the NGE, in that much of the content was destroyed for me anyways when they issued Order 66 on CH.

    ToOW gave me hope about SWG, and then they did the NGE and shat upon that hope.

    CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.

    Once a denizen of Ahazi

  • LionexxLionexx Member UncommonPosts: 680

    Originally posted by iwantmyswg


    it is letting people come back in that way just shows that the game is a mess & how no one is playing. i don't see warcraft or lord of the rings giving away free time like that. oh yeah they have players and don't need to do that.
    swg is a joke i think the devs are just happy that they where able to bribe people like fisher over to their side.
    WoW and Lotro do it to.

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  • ObeeObee Member Posts: 1,550

    Originally posted by Ginaz


    Its still gunk.  If anyone tells you its significantly different from when nge was 1st released then they are either full of shit or deluding themselves.  I tried the recent trial and apart from a few things, combat-wise, nothing has changed.

    It actually is different than when the NGE was inflicted upon us.  It is actually worse, something I had thought impossible, until seeing it for myself a couple days ago.

     

     

  • AveBethosAveBethos Member Posts: 611

    I'm about to use the free trial as well just to get a good laugh. 

  • admriker4admriker4 Member Posts: 1,070

    I'd still like to know what the hell happened with the graphics.

    I went back and looked at my old screenshots and there is a noticable difference. Everything has a weird glow to it now. I had to turn down the gamma settings on Tatooine, the sand was so bright it hurt my eyes.

    I saw a new box under graphics settings called Bloom effect, not sure if thats whats making everything look odd now or if its something else. I do recall seeing early on in NGE patch notes that some graphical enhancements were being implemented.

    Of all the things busted with this game and SOE decides to tweak graphics ?

  • AveBethosAveBethos Member Posts: 611

    Originally posted by admriker4


    I'd still like to know what the hell happened with the graphics.
    I went back and looked at my old screenshots and there is a noticable difference. Everything has a weird glow to it now. I had to turn down the gamma settings on Tatooine, the sand was so bright it hurt my eyes.
    I saw a new box under graphics settings called Bloom effect, not sure if thats whats making everything look odd now or if its something else. I do recall seeing early on in NGE patch notes that some graphical enhancements were being implemented.
    Of all the things busted with this game and SOE decides to tweak graphics ?

    I am guessing it's to free up some bandwidth...  Not sure though.  Turning down shading detail you would THINK would help with some load lag server side, but I don't think it has...  The game STILL rubberbands you.

    Not to mention the best animations are gone.  

  • HandsomeRobHandsomeRob Member Posts: 113

    So I returned to see for myself.

    Shame the Vet trial has a chat limit, but the gold spammers don't

    While i was in game, my Girl-friend came home. Then the funny part happened...

    Her- "That's not EVE...That looks like the game you used to play..."

    Me- "Yeah SWG had a free trial to see the improvememts since i left"

    Her- "Your playing the Star Wars one again?"

    Me- " yeah it's a free21 day look at how it's changed"

    Her- "Your not gonna start screaming at the computer again, are you?"

    After a few minutes she asked what i thought, is it still crapy like before...

    "Well..." I then type in /sit, watch my character sit on the ground, and then hold the W... She watched me sit and slide, then 1/2 stand..run... sit back down and slide... 1/2 stand.. run... sit back down slide...

    I looked at her..

    Her- "so still bad" Then I shuttled to a starport, and tried to run out.. she watched me bouncing off the walls, stuttering about, and said "Ah that's the lag you talk about" 

    She's not even a gamer, and can see the issues. She told me it was good to see that it hadn't been fixed, and I was missing out on anything, and told me to just go back and play EVE. Least you can still have fun there...

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  • ObeeObee Member Posts: 1,550

    Originally posted by HandsomeRob


    So I returned to see for myself.
    Shame the Vet trial has a chat limit, but the gold spammers don't
    While i was in game, my Girl-friend came home. Then the funny part happened...
    Her- "That's not EVE...That looks like the game you used to play..."
    Me- "Yeah SWG had a free trial to see the improvememts since i left"
    Her- "Your playing the Star Wars one again?"
    Me- " yeah it's a free21 day look at how it's changed"
    Her- "Your not gonna start screaming at the computer again, are you?"
    After a few minutes she asked what i thought, is it still crapy like before...
    "Well..." I then type in /sit, watch my character sit on the ground, and then hold the W... She watched me sit and slide, then 1/2 stand..run... sit back down and slide... 1/2 stand.. run... sit back down slide...
    I looked at her..
    Her- "so still bad" Then I shuttled to a starport, and tried to run out.. she watched me bouncing off the walls, stuttering about, and said "Ah that's the lag you talk about" 
    She's not even a gamer, and can see the issues. She told me it was good to see that it hadn't been fixed, and I was missing out on anything, and told me to just go back and play EVE. Least you can still have fun there...

    That's the big thing I don't understand.  Why give former players a free trial to see how much better things are, when things are actually worse than they used to be? 

     

     

  • wolfmannwolfmann Member Posts: 1,159
    • Logged in.
    • Checked my houses.
    • Went to Restuss.
    • Saw 2 players.
    • Went to Mos Eisley.
    • Saw 30 players.
    • 10 of them was golddiggers, who spammed my chat so bad I couldnt speak to anyone.
    • 10 of them(ish) were AFK in the cantina begging for credits and offering cybering for em too(?????).
    • The remaining people just ran around in circles, doing nothing or cybering in the cantina or begging everyone who looked like a noob to join their guild.
    • Logged off and onto a noob character(on station).
    • Found 2 other players on the station, asked them, and they turned out to be NGE veterans that wanted to move from their nuked(read dead) server to Bria.
    • Logged back on my main Bria character.
    • Checked friends list. 273 friends offline (and thats after I cleaned out 500 names from it).
    • Logged into Chimaera.
    • 321 out of 321 friends offline.
    • Some not AFK/not goldspammer dude was in awe over my MSE droid(mule that carried my spare armor), since the MSE droid now is a 4 year veteran reward pet.
    • Logged out.

     

    SOE gave me 504 hours of free play(21 days), and I didn't even use 1 full hour. Thats when I know a game is bad.

    I even played FLYFF and some Hello Kitty anime MMO for more than an hour before I decided they were crap.

    SWG has really fallen deep. How does it help to bring back mutated versions of what they believed to be unneccesarry, when the core game is busted, and the game itself is unfun?

    They can keep tossing free trials at me, but until they really DO something with the game, they won't be seeing me paying em a dime.

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  • in4sitin4sit Member Posts: 130

    I won't even take a look at SWG again,.. played for 2 years,.. well don't get me going, but anyways, I will not even try the 21 day free trial, I don't want to give Smed another stat as a "playing" customer of SWG. 

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  • ObeeObee Member Posts: 1,550

    Originally posted by Stellos


    Kudos to SOE for the Return of the Jedi feature allowing former players to log back into their old accounts for 21 days to see new features.

    If the Bush Administration did this, people would be calling it a war crime.  After logging into the game myself, I'd be one of them.

     

     

  • ObraikObraik Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 7,261

    I get offers every now and then to return to WoW for 14 day trials since I played for 2 weeks when the game first came out.  Should I also be jumping to the conclusion that WoW is desperate for subscriptions? 

    Other then the changes to the character models, they haven't made any changes to the graphics engine since ToOW when they implemented Specular Terrain Lighting and Heat Shimmer, both of which can be turned off through your ingame options.  Bloom was introduced with JTL and also can be turned off.  Personally, I turn off all post-processing effects and turn on AA (since you can only have one of the other on) as I think the game looks better with smoother edges rather then glowy lights.

    Here's how my graphics look.

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  • SuvrocSuvroc Member Posts: 2,383

    Originally posted by Obraik


    I get offers every now and then to return to WoW for 14 day trials since I played for 2 weeks when the game first came out.  Should I also be jumping to the conclusion that WoW is desperate for subscriptions? 
    Other then the changes to the character models, they haven't made any changes to the graphics engine since ToOW when they implemented Specular Terrain Lighting and Heat Shimmer, both of which can be turned off through your ingame options.  Bloom was introduced with JTL and also can be turned off.  Personally, I turn off all post-processing effects and turn on AA (since you can only have one of the other on) as I think the game looks better with smoother edges rather then glowy lights.
    Here's how my graphics look.
    As I mentioned to you before I played WoW for 1 month when it first came out then for a little while again well over a year ago and the only thing I ever recieved from Blizzard was a "reactivate your account and try thr Burning Crusade expansion for 2 weeks free".

    That seems quite different to me then 3 21-day trials in less the a year.

  • ObraikObraik Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 7,261

    Originally posted by Suvroc


     
    Originally posted by Obraik


    I get offers every now and then to return to WoW for 14 day trials since I played for 2 weeks when the game first came out.  Should I also be jumping to the conclusion that WoW is desperate for subscriptions? 
    Other then the changes to the character models, they haven't made any changes to the graphics engine since ToOW when they implemented Specular Terrain Lighting and Heat Shimmer, both of which can be turned off through your ingame options.  Bloom was introduced with JTL and also can be turned off.  Personally, I turn off all post-processing effects and turn on AA (since you can only have one of the other on) as I think the game looks better with smoother edges rather then glowy lights.
    Here's how my graphics look.
    As I mentioned to you before I played WoW for 1 month when it first came out then for a little while again well over a year ago and the only thing I ever recieved from Blizzard was a "reactivate your account and try thr Burning Crusade expansion for 2 weeks free".

     

    That seems quite different to me then 3 21-day trials in less the a year.

    Guess I'm special, I've had two 14 day trials sent to me for WoW so far.

    I think it's been well established that it's just the "new" (not too new since it's been happening over a year now) thing they're doing.  Each Chapter means a new Vet trial so people can check out the new stuff and see if they want to resub for it.  It's meant to be that you only get the trial if you have subscribed to recieve offers from SOE....but people started complaining that they didn't know about this restriction and missed their trial so itl was opened to ALL accounts that had been inactive longer then 90 days. 

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