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My only qualm.
Ubiscious
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The one thing which i find to be of the utmost importance, simply in my gaming experience within whatever MMO world i have chosen to be immersed in, especially WoW is...
real world pvp
so far this is the only thing which i think i will constantly miss if it never finds a home in Lotro.
i have gotten an idea of the size of the game world, and i know it will grow as months go by and updates are introduced but it would be a damn shame never to have real world PVP.
any thoughts?
also any opinions on the possibility of real world PVP in lotro
ome last thing, i began playing WoW extremely early on, when it was pretty much brand new after beta, what was the PVP system like then? anyone reading this rememmber, or were there to experience it?
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i was a nub for a while and didnt get into PVP for quite sometime. I rememmber AV que's were like hours long, games in AV lasted days and it was back when GM grinding was insane and people were hiring honor farmers. I made it too rank 11 after quite some time into the game after my guild had all current raid instances on farm, think that was AQ40 time.
i am just really curious what the PVP system was like when i was a nub in darkshore 0_o
i feel myself wanting lorto to eventually turn the horde monsters people can play into a real and highly develople class and add real world PVP and give huge updates to the PVP system.
i mean once one reaches highest levels and is geared out in Lotro atm, so what? you know what i mean?
I doubt we;ll see a true open pvp world in lotr. Maybe more zones..or a battlefied type thing like helms deep would be sweet just to have an on going battle. But the lore would prevent that..no hobbits there, monsters cant win. The pmvp isnt that bad..it aint great, but not as lame as I would have thought. Its actually kinda neat..if your a monster youre weaker. So you have to actually learn to beat something thats better than you. If you know your going in with even or less numbers..you gotta think and plan. I always like being the underdog and trying to come out on top. So much more rewarding for me than my gear beat your gear.
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it has PvP, just not full loot gank the newbies PvP. PvP is defined player vs player and you can do that. If you want griefer play you will have to go elsewhere though. There are plenty of games that will fit that play style, mostly free to play asian ones, I wish you good luck in your gaming.
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Well said Jackdog, I couldn't agree more.
PvMP is kickass though tbh, it really does feel like your fighting a part of the war, thats just me though - never was one for ganking lowbies in order to make there playing experience crappier, whats the point other than to be an asshole? there isn't one.
Flex that e-peen elsewhere, you won't find any to compare it to in LOTRO.
Well said Jackdog, I couldn't agree more.
PvMP is kickass though tbh, it really does feel like your fighting a part of the war, thats just me though - never was one for ganking lowbies in order to make there playing experience crappier, whats the point other than to be an asshole? there isn't one.
Flex that e-peen elsewhere, you won't find any to compare it to in LOTRO.
You fans of LOTRO are getting more and more rude as time goes on. Where in the OP did he (she) say anything about wanting to gank people and be an ass? So all PvPers are gankers Jack? He asked a simple question and you put words and meaning into his post that you want to project on him.
What you didn't want to say..or admit I suspect, is that no, there is no real or "normal" PvP. People ask, or complain, about this all the time about LOTRO, so I guess you super-fans are tired of hearing it by now, but to imply that because someone likes open-world PvP they are a ganking asshole who wants to grief lowbies is low-class.
PvMP isn't the same and you know it.
Well said Jackdog, I couldn't agree more.
PvMP is kickass though tbh, it really does feel like your fighting a part of the war, thats just me though - never was one for ganking lowbies in order to make there playing experience crappier, whats the point other than to be an asshole? there isn't one.
Flex that e-peen elsewhere, you won't find any to compare it to in LOTRO.
You fans of LOTRO are getting more and more rude as time goes on. Where in the OP did he (she) say anything about wanting to gank people and be an ass? So all PvPers are gankers Jack? He asked a simple question and you put words and meaning into his post that you want to project on him.
What you didn't want to say..or admit I suspect, is that no, there is no real or "normal" PvP. People ask, or complain, about this all the time about LOTRO, so I guess you super-fans are tired of hearing it by now, but to imply that because someone likes open-world PvP they are a ganking asshole who wants to grief lowbies is low-class.
PvMP isn't the same and you know it.
Sorry but i do not see were he is projecting anything. He said IF, That makes all the differance. The other poster said he was not for ganking lowbies and he saw no point to that other than being an asshole.You are the one reading to much into their posts. And you are right MP is not like normal PvP in other games. In other games you can kill lowbies, run around and trash talk people after you kill them. LOTRO has consensual PvP were most games doesn't so yes it is differant in alot of ways.
There will never world PvP in this game, sorry.
It's restricted to certain zones like Ettenmoors.
heh, while i agree that some of the effects of PVP in games like WoW are undesirable like ganking and griefing i hardly believe that is all that goes on. open world PVP just adds an element to the gameplay experience while out in the game world. Also it gives a reason for obtaining gear.
so i go through everything and get the best gear for what? to get better gear to get better gear to get better gear? Sure i mean thats cool so you get geared out to either do more PVE or i guess use it in MP which sounds a little limited atm.
however i talked to some peeps on the WoW thread and yes, when the game first came out fresh out of beta there was NO pvp system only open world PVP and this had undesirable effects. But the actual PVP system once i started using it gave me ways in which to put my gear to use....other then just more PVE.
i believe that PVP will come later in lotro, it is just my hope they dont simply revamp the current system to add more depth alone, but also allow real world PVP it just makes the game funner, lol, and adds an element which is hard to put my finger on with a name, but makes the game world experience more full imo
The reason they say no world PvP is cause in LOTRO PvP is 100% consensual. Meaning that there is no case were you can be attacked by another player if you don't want to be. With it limited to MP and to one zone they don't have to worry about it not being consensual.
I do not see world PvP coming to LOTRO because of this stipulation. I see more MP zones yes but not world PvP. Not everyone wants the feeling that they are constantly in danger of being attacked and having to always look over their shoulder to fend off any attacks. For some people they like that rush. For others it is too stressful and negates the reason they are playing the game. That reason being to relax and unwind from the stress of their normal life.
They have added alot to MP with todays patch. I have not looked deeply into it but i know they posted a big devs diary on all the stuff they added to MP this time around.
I just wouldn't count on world PvP being the norm in this game.
Hmm was thinking of using the trial but looks like if theres people like this in LoTRO, I think I may stay away. Jackdog don't be an idiot and try to blame a missing feature of this game on someone simply asking questions. Apparantly you've never heard of pvp between actual characters rather than monsters that start at max level. The OP never asked for newbie ganking pvp or your moronic responses. All you had to do was simply tell him that there was no world pvp. Instead you try to make assumptions and insult the OP. Good Job! I bet tons of people will want to play this game with you around!!!!
In the end, logic and reason always beat out fanboys.
I agree, thats why there are PvP servers, or could be.
I agree, thats why there are PvP servers, or could be.
Unfortunately for license reasons they can't have PvP servers. I know that doesn't seem like a good reason but it is the reason that they don't have PvP servers.
I agree, thats why there are PvP servers, or could be.
Unfortunately for license reasons they can't have PvP servers. I know that doesn't seem like a good reason but it is the reason that they don't have PvP servers.
Licence reasons? Why would that affect players killing each other?
I agree, thats why there are PvP servers, or could be.
Unfortunately for license reasons they can't have PvP servers. I know that doesn't seem like a good reason but it is the reason that they don't have PvP servers.
Licence reasons? Why would that affect players killing each other?
They are under stipulations to follow the lore as closely as possible. In the lore you do not have the free people running around killing each other. Tolkien enterprise can pull the license for the game if turbine strays to far from the lore. Turbine has to float every decision they make about the game by tolkien enterprise to make sure it is within the license agreement that they have with them. Or to find out if tolkien enterprise is willing to let it slip by as it doesn't violate the lore more than they want it too.
So..no such agreement with Wizards of the West Coast for DDO I guess
So..no such agreement with Wizards of the West Coast for DDO I guess
Wizards of the coast aren't as strict i guess. Also they created the ruleset and the lore that turbine was working with. Were tolkien enterprise didn't. The story for LOTR has been set in stone for over 50 years and is pretty much the way it has to be. With DDO wizards of the coast could make changes to make anything that turbine wanted to do with the game possible.
This is one of the major drawbacks to a major IP like LOTR.
i dont see how making some new races out of the many different enemies of middle earth, giving them their own side of the story, which is there, and allow real world PVP. Would it be outside the bounds to have say a human and an orc fighting in either a mordor or free peoples controlled zone? I for one wouldnt mind having an alt on another server fighting for the dark lord lol, trying to counter the attempts of the free peoples to defend their cities and stop the ring bearer.
lol
sounds alot like WoW but i mean i dont think that would be outside the lore. It would also be really fun. I mean with WoW the lore wasnt really that important to by far the majority of players.
i can envision an evolved more casual in nature game with real world and battleground (battles from the lore?) PVP with one huge difference from WoW. Most of the people playing are into the lore.
just brainstorming, but i can see it.
meh
This is a huge stumbling block for them. Tolkien enterprise is the only ones who could change the lore of the books since they are the ones who owne the books outright. They have the right to look at anything that turbine does and say yah or nah to it.
Turbine can't create any new race that isn't in the books already. And with the limited information on the evil races and not being able to create new lore for the evil races it makes them very unplayable. The evil races would have to be subject to sauron's will and would net be able to run around willy nilly and do whatever they wanted. Since at this time in the books sauron is calling all the evil races to him to prepare for the war he is planning.
It just isn't feasable to have evil races as playbable races. Maybe in wow the lore isn't important but in this game it is. The game is built around the lore and it is the center focus of the game. Wich makes it very important.
Besides the game already has free people against evil races in a controlled zone. The ettenmoors there are keeps to fight over. Either side can controll the zone by controlling the keeps. Just that monsters are not playable in the sense that you don't lvl them up from 1 to cap. The monsters can't leave the monster zone area.
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yeah well, so how much does gear effect MP in lotro? Is it mainly a zerg fest? How dynamic can you be with your toon in 1v1 pvp within that pretext of MP?
lol the cheebah god has once again restricted my thinking skills atm!