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Iv been watching these forums recently, mainly to see how people would react to Archlord going totally free and to be honest im shocked at some of the idiocy.
Why are people complaining ? Archlord was not fit to be P2P that is fair enough and i dont know what CM are thinking and this hasnt helped Archlords rep atall, but its really time to drop that now as they are trying to make up for there mistake so it seems.
Now as for Archlords quality as a F2P game, well i think its pretty damn good, its definatly in the top 5 and i have played pretty much every single F2P mmo out there so far. It has great PVP, fair enough its a grinder (what F2P game isnt) but it does have atleast one unique feature and thats the Archlord system and one unique feature is better than ZERO that most other F2P games (and alot of P2P games) offer.
Iv seen people comparing it to WoW and other P2P games, what the hell are you people thinking, a P2P game is bound to have more features (or should do, alot dont) just due to its funding. I saw some guy complaining about it not having an opening cinematic, i ask you, are you for real, iv not seen even ONE F2P game with an opening movie when you actually start the game up, infact most P2P MMOS dont have one either, again another person comparing it to WoW (thats what he actually said in his post to).
Ok so its a typical Asian point and click grinder, so what, some people enjoy them. But Archlord is one of the best F2P asian point and click grinders out there.
To all the haters, the game is actually starting to pick up now population wise and the game itself, but it still hasnt got the population it deserves. Look at Silkroad and some other F2P games, they are packed and i cant understand why this one isnt right now. I really do hope CM get a huge increase in players, the game most definatly does deserve it now.
Thanks alot
Garrik
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"once upon a midnight dreary, while i porn surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of 'hot xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, "give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404."
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No im not new to the game, its actually just my opinion, atleast im being some what fair, most people are bashing the game pointlessly.
Tell me how can you agree with me about it being in the top 5 F2P mmos but then say maybe it doesnt deserve a good population, thats just a huge contradiction seeing as the other top F2P games have pretty big populations. It just doesnt make any sense to say the game is one of the top 5 F2P games, but it doesnt deserve more people, especially since it hasnt got half as many players as the other top F2P games.
The grinding in Archlord is no worse than Silkroad (skill grind) or 2Moons and then even Lineage 2.
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"once upon a midnight dreary, while i porn surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of 'hot xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, "give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404."
Grinding is the bane of all MMOs. Any game that forces you to do the same boring crap over and over isn't ever going to be fun for me. The only saving grace to most grind-style MMOs is PvP, which usually ends up being unbalanced in some horrific way.
I've reached the point that I can't even play MMOs anymore because they waste so much of my friggin time.
Heck, I'm beginning to wish I was as easily amused as the average person, then at least I might have some fun playing these cheezy games.
Each to there own i guess. Im just tired of people focusing these comments on Archlord, when there are atleast 20 other games that do exactly the same.
I like killing things that why i play MMOs, im not much into questing, but that all comes down to each individual, not the average person being easily amused.
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"once upon a midnight dreary, while i porn surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of 'hot xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, "give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404."
This has the worst control ever, And a worst copy of a lineage 2. At least lineage 2 has customization options then archlord no wonder it went to free, its crap compare to lineage 2. Its a clone of wannabe lineage 2. They wish they had lineage subscriptions fanbase. Callingf Archlord the best korean game is a lie. This game is filled with bugs, and unlike NHN, Ncsoft devs fixes bugs quickly then NHN. Are you sure its the best korean game for western people?
Ugh...
Lineage 2 IS PAY TO PLAY, Archlord is FREE TO PLAY. You cant compare a f2p with a p2p its just not fair and as far as F2P games go, Archlord is one of the best, yes it is.
Lots of games are clones of Lineage 2, looks at Last Chaos, thats a huge clone of it. Just like most western games are clones of EQ and WoW.
Please read my post carefully, i stated that it was one of the best for a F2P (Free to Play) game, i didnt once state that it was THE BEST Korean game we have over here.
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"once upon a midnight dreary, while i porn surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of 'hot xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, "give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404."
IMO I think alot of people are bashing on archload alot is because IMO they think it should of never been a P2P mmo and that it never desrved money like that. Honestly I never played it but from what i see thats wat i think.
Finally someone else who actually knows the deal here. Thats also what i think peoples problem with the game is.
Garrik
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"once upon a midnight dreary, while i porn surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of 'hot xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, "give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404."
No, that doesn't fully explain it, either. Because there are other p2p games turned into f2p, like Tantra online, and players still gave it much higher rating than poor ArchLord. I'm suspecting many ArchLord's critics actually come from its own playerbase who are unhappy with Codemaster's way of handling things.
I figured that there won't be much to lose in this recent development of Archlord's business model, so yeah off we go with the usual register+dl game client+install+launch+create char+log into the game server routines. I got dc'ed for the 1st starter quest completion, but I'm not ranting anything considering that probably CM might have overestimated about the allocated bandwidth against the rush/influx of newer entrants.
To be blunt, I'm treating this like a beta and just wanna see if there's anything or any hopes for improvements.
Now to recap or rather, reply to the post just above mine about the possibility of the majority of current Archlord's most scathing critics, here's what I can offer....I suspect the same thing but hey? They got that coming (the ones who paid). I wasn't one of the beta testers but it's not like I'm completely clueless about Archlord's initial debut done by CM way back. What actually amazed me was the amount of believers that got sucked right into what's probably the most craptacularly ridiculous p2p subs plan in the annals of MMORPGs' history, REGARDLESS if anyone can come up with any hard evidences/proofs of whatever the real causes or justifications for the said plans. Not only had that move built a brightly lit neon sign that says a pretty loud "hang me now!" by the clearest of signs, the majority that made up as the next batch of player pop came into fray when they had gone b2p? Even with ample news and revelations of CM's inactions and poor managements from the previous victims? What's even more aggravating, now that no one forces them to continue to pay, the continued grievances are directly infused at just because..."we already paid!"..Suck to be y'all really...
I don't need to elaborate further, the rest is as they say proverbial history...
In all fairness though, I gotta concur with Garrik. Some of the rants here are just plain absurd and CLEARLY made out of 90% spite or the typical disgruntlement suffered from other previous f2p titles (I agree with Garrik, bringing Lineage II into the argument is an 'auto wtf were you smoking reply magnet' ), resulting in the usual hate baggage spillover effect. You're looking at this in the wrong standpoint, perhaps now is the better environment to try for that much needed community drive for improvements. Hey it might not mean a thing in the end (as usual or w/e), but coming in with a clean slate always works better for me. Compare these:-
- Rant + pay = pissed at self the fuck off and everyone in between AND lose money in the process.
- Rant + not pay anything at all = pissing everyone else off.
- Realistic criticisms + not pay anything all = pissed but not totally the fuck off (like how?dollars and cents unmoved?) and everyone else can take in your views at given times?
I mean you gotta hand some to CM for this somewhat upfront display of determination in trying to keep this alive, there's gotta be some rooms of logical reasons even if it's as vague. Not like I'm telling anyone to convert into a complete CM apologist, just that being too dense in acting as Captain Obvious can be detrimental in accelerating brain cells' losses.
well, iv been playing since day 1, and yes archlord has its problems, but not like what everyone is complaining about.. its still a good game, and now that they have castle seiges and guild Hostilety the pvp has gotten much more interesting this move to Free to download is a smart move, and gives me that many more storage accounts
Divine
Strength and Honor
www.divineguild.com
I'm gonna keep playing this now that it has gone f2p, reason? Grave of the Dead... Nuff said
You know i started this thread thinking im gonna get flamed to hell for what im saying here but who gives a shit ill post it anyway, but to my suprise iv managed to get a few positive posts from it so far.
All i can say to you chakl337 is that your post was a great read, you said what you wanted to say and said it well. You have actually restored some of my faith back into the MMORPG.com community, its not all to often that i get to read a logical, sensible post such as yours.
Thanks for the reply.
Garrik
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"once upon a midnight dreary, while i porn surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of 'hot xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, "give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404."
If someone considers a recently P2P game to be a great F2P game, that isn't saying much. A F2P game is on a far more lenient system of grading than a P2P game is on.
P2P games changed in quality the moment WoW was released. Since then, the quality bar for P2P mmo's has increased sharply.
However that does not explain what happened with Archlord. Archlord is quite possibly the worst mmo I have ever played. (F2P or P2P.) This is coming from someone who has played virtually every single F2P mmorpg and a majority of P2P's. This game is simply horrible.
What's even worse is what codemasters has done in order to get more subscribers. Quite an ingenious plan, i might add. They make the game free to play, but force the pve grind to become so dependant upon a new system of currency that costs real life money that you are forced to pay the money in order to recieve these extra items.
In conjunction with the chantra system ripping people off are the serious technical problems. For example, I sometimes equip armor and my friend can no longer see the the apendages which the armor covered. On his screen, i was literally walking around with no legs and arms. Just a floating head and torso. Several of the quest text is wrong causing you to run around looking for a particular mob in the wrong place. Words are frequently misspelled. The list goes on. However the real problem here is that these bugs have been reported hundreds of times by veterans of the game with CM simply ignoring them. Bugs that have been with the game since the early stages of beta and have continued to exist without an attempt to fix them. There are cheaters and botters running amok in the game and no one is stopping them. CM says that they'll investigate any reports of people botting, but never do. To bad it wouldn't help even if they did. From second-hand experience with botting, I know for a fact that every 3 hours a botter will transfer money off of the character to a different one. Therefore they get off scott-free. It happens to be a loophole that causes many F2P mmo's to be infected with botters and unable to stop them.
The number one bug in the game happens to be the lag. And it's obvious (almost criminal) why CM refuses to fix it. It kills players and wastes their time and money.
At level 65-70, 1 half hour to an hour yields around 2% exp. Lag happens and causes you to die. You lose 3% exp which causes you to redo that hour and then some. But, there's a way to prevent it! Use 300 chantra and buy a res stone and ressurect yourself without the loss!
5000 chantra costs roughly 15 to 20 pounds. I think you can see how quickly that can rack up the cost of the game.
The stone cold fact is that CM knows these problems exist and chooses to do nothing about them. They know that they will make more money than a monthly fee by charging outragious chantra costs because people simply don't want to redo that exp and waste more time.
What's worse is that they have the entire noobie population convinced that aside from the bugs, it's a great game and that leveling isn't a problem. However, the problem with that argument is that those people are low level and are not experiencing the major problems that lag causes. If you die at level 10, big deal. You lose a couple hundred exp which amount to about 2-3 extra mobs. It's nothing like level 70 where 3% is a couple million exp and takes up around an hour of constant AOE GRINDING.
I expect, nay await this game to be shut down because it is simply a bad game. I would rather they go back to a P2P system. At least that way you were paying a flat price which didn't involve being forced to pay hundreds of dollars on rez stones and exp charms just to stay competitive and to continue leveling at a decent rate.
"I refuse to prove that I exist" says God. "For proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing..."
I repsect your opinion on the matter, but i cant agree with some parts of it.
You said its the worst game you have played P2P or F2P, im sorry but you cant have played half as many as you claim to have played, games such as Deicide, Khan, WYD Global are all far worse F2P games. As it stands Archlord now should only be compared to other F2P games and the only other decent ones around are 2Moons, Perfect World, Last chaos, Silkroad and Rappelz, now Archlord is atleast better than Last chaos, Silkroad and maybe Rappelz IMO.
So tell me, whats the BEST F2P game you have played, whats your idea of a good F2P game then if Archlord doenst make one. Yes it has faults but it is better than most F2P games out there.
Also another point, people can say what they like about chantra and what not, if you need it or not it still comes down to the persons own choice as to wether or not he buys it or not, the fact that it helps a HUGE amount later on in the game doesnt matter, it still comes down to our own descision wether or not we get it or not.
Oh and at level 65-70 you can still get 8% to 10% an hour (depending on your class), yes thats low and it is tough but when your that high level its going to be (even now there are only a few level 80+ people).
Im not saying the games perfect, i just dont see how anyone can knock it when compared to the other FREE 2 PLAY titles that we have on offer to us. Seriously bring up a list of better ones and why they are better, the only ones i can seriously think of that may edge out in front right now are 2Moons and thats a HUGE grind later on, Perfect World when the global version comes out and Rappelz maybe as its just a solid F2P game.
Garrik
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"once upon a midnight dreary, while i porn surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of 'hot xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, "give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404."
Archlord's problem is that it is superficial. And a lot of people hate superficial.
The grind in Archlord is one of the worst I've ever seen in an mmo free or otherwise - I just can't see myself wasting my time playing a game that is free to make my eyes bleed so bad. Endlessly, killing the same mobs over and over and over and over and over again.
OMG and just to repeat, endlessly killing the same mobs over and over again - Yes, it is that bad...
It is literally boring and reduntant all at the same time... the worst time sink I have ever experienced in an mmo and I have played pretty well every mmo on ther market.
Again let me remind you Archlord's main problem is that it is SUPERFICIAL. The graphics are prety good, armors look great, spell effects - wow!
Game play? ah.... hope you like making your eyes bleed....
ok so we covered pve, what about the much ado "hard core" pvp - - well in order to pvp you have to "flag" first, then anyone and their sister can kill you - nothing hard core about that - the grind is hardcore, the pvp is not.
Shadowbane is 100% better and it's free.
Anarchy Online is 100% better and it's free.
I simply do not understand why anyone with a life and a brain would play this piece of dog doo.
Honestly it's that bad.
Because not everyone likes exactly the same as what you like, some people simply just enjoy the game, just becuase you dont like it doesnt make other brainless or lifeless for enjoying it.
Anyway by your standards that would mean that nobody should play 90% of the F2P games seeing as most of them require alot of grinding and that would also mean that Lineage 2 is also a crap game.
I agree the grind is hefty though (although it doesnt bother me) but its definatly not the worst i have come across infact Silkroads SP grinding is worse and 2Moons leveling right now is just as bad as Archlords easily, but i understand that still doesnt make the grind acceptable, but if people enjoy the game they enjoy the game, its that simple.
Garrik
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"once upon a midnight dreary, while i porn surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of 'hot xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, "give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404."
I have been playing since day 1 and and have not payed 1 cent to CM since it went F2P and i still have wings, cape, lens, blue and green pots, tallisman, and a luck charm on me at ALL times.. if you are smart, you can get in game money EASY and buy chantra in game with it... as far as the grind, yes it is a hard grind.. but have you played other games such as lineage 2 where it is 5x as hard? and as far as PvP yes, the bounty and rogue system sucks, but there are ways around it, such as war, declairing hostile, and seiges.. so i do say they have a hardcore pvp system in place.
Divine
Strength and Honor
www.divineguild.com
Very poor reviews of the game.
Superficial ? Show me a f2p asian mmo that isnt.
Grind ? Almost every mmo out there is a grind, and all asian mmos are just that.
Worst game of all time ? Massive failure at logical comparison.
Tantra is better than Archlord ? Graphically ? no.... Quests ? No....... PvE content ? No ........PvP content ? No......
Bad Lineage 2 clone ? Other than bugs I would have to say it is a pretty good Lineage 2 clone. Archlord was made with f2p in mind. Codemasters are the idiots who tried to fool people into playing a korean f2p game :> Blame them.
Very true, i blame CM for tarnishing Archlords name and thats whats caused so much hastle for the game because like iv said it isnt actually anywhere near as bad as people have made out, its mainly because of CM trying to get money out of people for somthing that should have never cost a thing. Atleast they arent doing that now i guess, apart from with RF, but that will change soon to apparently.
Still the gamespot review is a total joke, there is just no way any reviewer with eyes can give Archlords graphics a 4 and to also gives its music a 5, i mean what the hell, Archlord has some of the nicest in game music out of any game iv played. That review was absolutly terrible and they should be ashamed for even posting such a biased review.
Garrik
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"once upon a midnight dreary, while i porn surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of 'hot xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, "give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404."
Ugh...
Lineage 2 IS PAY TO PLAY, Archlord is FREE TO PLAY. You cant compare a f2p with a p2p its just not fair and as far as F2P games go, Archlord is one of the best, yes it is.
Lots of games are clones of Lineage 2, looks at Last Chaos, thats a huge clone of it. Just like most western games are clones of EQ and WoW.
Please read my post carefully, i stated that it was one of the best for a F2P (Free to Play) game, i didnt once state that it was THE BEST Korean game we have over here.
To me Lineage 2 is considered the most successful korean to westernize mmorpg with many many options. Even after these years Lineage 2 is still P2P.Archlord tried to do P2P it failed miserably. So why is that? NHN is better then NCSOFT? Ha. dont be joking. Lineage 2 is more hardcore then archlord imo.
ARCHLORD is good until AION IS RELEASED.
I repsect your opinion on the matter, but i cant agree with some parts of it.
You said its the worst game you have played P2P or F2P, im sorry but you cant have played half as many as you claim to have played, games such as Deicide, Khan, WYD Global are all far worse F2P games. As it stands Archlord now should only be compared to other F2P games and the only other decent ones around are 2Moons, Perfect World, Last chaos, Silkroad and Rappelz, now Archlord is atleast better than Last chaos, Silkroad and maybe Rappelz IMO.
So tell me, whats the BEST F2P game you have played, whats your idea of a good F2P game then if Archlord doenst make one. Yes it has faults but it is better than most F2P games out there.
Also another point, people can say what they like about chantra and what not, if you need it or not it still comes down to the persons own choice as to wether or not he buys it or not, the fact that it helps a HUGE amount later on in the game doesnt matter, it still comes down to our own descision wether or not we get it or not.
Oh and at level 65-70 you can still get 8% to 10% an hour (depending on your class), yes thats low and it is tough but when your that high level its going to be (even now there are only a few level 80+ people).
Im not saying the games perfect, i just dont see how anyone can knock it when compared to the other FREE 2 PLAY titles that we have on offer to us. Seriously bring up a list of better ones and why they are better, the only ones i can seriously think of that may edge out in front right now are 2Moons and thats a HUGE grind later on, Perfect World when the global version comes out and Rappelz maybe as its just a solid F2P game.
Garrik
Because other F2P titles are actually innovative and inventive such as MU online, Silk Road, Last Chaos and even Guild Wars. You seem to fail to understand that because these titles are as good as they are, it raises the bar as to what is expected of Archlord. F2P or not, these games managed to dodge a majority of serious game bugs, a staggering problem with exp grinding and a quest system that is boring, terribly unrewarding and downright incorrect when it comes to the directions.At level 65-70 you can AoE Grind around 2-3% in about 40 minutes. I've seen it done. If you're really pulling quickly, you can get up to 4%, but then you're taking the extra chance of dying by lag and just by recklessness.
"Superficial ? Show me a f2p asian mmo that isnt."
"Grind ? Almost every mmo out there is a grind, and all asian mmos are just that."
This mentality is utterly frivolous. Simply because asian mmo's are usually dedicated to grinding does not magically vindicate archlord. Like I've said before. Once a game has reached a certain level of quality of standard, all games under that genre that are released afterward will be expected to maintain that level of quality, nay increase it. These are professionals getting paid to program, code and develop this game, not ameteurs who work on the game when they have time in between their job.
"Tantra is better than Archlord ? Graphically ? no.... Quests ? No....... PvE content ? No ........PvP content ? No......"
Tantra doesn't have botters driving the in-game currency to massive inflation. Tantra has a grind that isn't insufferable. It isn't fun, but it's not insufferable. Tantra has customer support that actually tries to fix the problems with the game instead of ignoring them because the problems cause people to die and therefore invaribaly spend more chantra.
We can continue to go back and forth on this issue forever, but the facts remain the same. The bugs are in the game, I've seen them and acknowledged them and so have many other people. The boring quests are in the game, the entire playerbase is sick to death of mindless kill tasks or mindless grinding, and the entire playerbase is sick of a company that is ripping people off by either forcing them to pay money to continue leveling their character or to quit playing and abandon the character they have spend months working on.
To me, arguing over whether or not the game was made well it a dead issue. It simply wasn't. Arguing over whether or not people think it's a good game is also a dead issue because they hate it. You can log in and shout out to the entire town asking whether or not Archlord is a good game and you'll get the same answer every time. But when you spend months working on a character thinking that CM would have fixed these problems and hoping that it was only temporary and find out that they aren't doing a damn thing, you start to get angry. And that's why several guilds in the game are quitting out of frustration with CM.
"I refuse to prove that I exist" says God. "For proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing..."
What is it about people not being able to read and having to twist every line of text that you write to try and make it sound like you have said somthing and why is it that people actually just out right say you have said things that you havnt, i just cant understand peoples ignorance, whats hard about reading a post PROPERLY, im getting tired of replying to people who arnt even reading or understand what im writing, due to no fault of my own. But anyway.
1. Whats innovative about MU and Last Chaos ? GWS isnt even an MMO its a CORPG because its not exactly massive apart from in towns and you still have to pay for its box, Archlord you no longer have to.
2. Regarding leveling speed, you can level quicker than that, but whatever you wont agree.
3. What is this FREE 2 PLAY quality standard that every game should meet, which game has set this now ?
4. Id never mentioned Tantra, or replied to your comment on it, maybe you want to direct your post at the correct person, ok ty.
5. Are you blind, ignorant or both, id already stated that i know about the bugs and issues and so on, iv never argued that, but i am arguing that people are being to harsh on this game with alot of the shit thats around now.
Your basically just recycling your last post with your last opinions, thats fine and everything, but if your going to quote me atleast answer the stuff iv said in my damn post, not start spouting out everything that you have already said.
This is for AOConan who said:
"To me Lineage 2 is considered the most successful korean to westernize mmorpg with many many options. Even after these years Lineage 2 is still P2P.Archlord tried to do P2P it failed miserably. So why is that? NHN is better then NCSOFT? Ha. dont be joking. Lineage 2 is more hardcore then archlord imo."
What are you even talking about, you quoted my post and it didnt even have anything to do with AL being better than L2. I know L2 is the most sucessful port, i know L2 is better than AL and i know NCSOFT are a great company, so what relevence did your post even have to mine.
You people amaze me, you really do.
Garrik
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"once upon a midnight dreary, while i porn surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of 'hot xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, "give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404."
2) No, you really can't. I don't know where you get your number, but I actually get my number from the archlord forums from the vets who have been playing since beta. Think whatever you will, that's the fastest exp is going to come in.
3) Oh, I don't know. Anarchy Online sound good enough for you?
4) Hmmm. Perhaps you'd like to notice my quotes around that part of the post; indicating that I'm referring to someone else? Lern2read kthx.
5) I love how you accuse me of being blind and ignorant when you're the one who seems to think that an MMO filled with cheaters, botters, massive technical problems like lag and graphical errors, game crashes, and game currency that rips people off is a decent MMO.
Continue to live in your fantasy world where Archlord isn't as bad as people say it is when in actuality, it is just as bad as people say. Oftentimes worse. I for one am sick of people like you who seem to think that F2P means that I don't have a right to complain about problems with the game even though I bought this game and still demand my money's worth from it.
I'm bowing out. You can believe whatever you wish to believe about the game. I'm obviously not going to change your mind anyway.
"I refuse to prove that I exist" says God. "For proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing..."
1. No its not irrelevant for this "debate", GW isnt classed (or shouldnt be) as an MMO and therefore cant be included in this debate seeing as we are talking about true MMOs and GWs system is completely different than an MMOs.
2. I get the numbers from vets and from also playing the damn game, somthing that you actually dont do. Fair enough im not up at that level yet but i know people who are.
3. Anarachy online isnt even entirely free for a start but whatever. AO is a great game yes, its had years of financial backing and its very good, but i dont think it sets a standard that all F2P games should follow. Anyway, by your logic, shouldnt all P2P games be just like WoW or better, just because it has set a standard for P2P games ?
4. You did quote marks but didnt once specify who you where directing it at or who it was quoted from, therefore it looked like you qhere directing at me still. Learn 2 quote plz.
5. Currency is only a rip off if you feel you are being ripped off when you buy it, if you think that then dont buy it. Yes the game has bugs and glitches, but nothing to ground breaking at the moment, the random crashes are getting anoying though. Botters, cheaters, hmmm play Lineage 2 there are a hell of alot more of them there than in AL.
Your not going to to change my mind, just like i wont change yours from being so narrow. You have no idea how sick i am of reading the same crap from the same people, whine this, whine that and most of the time there is another side to everything that the person is saying but they are to damn stubborn to realise it as they are so blinded by hate for a game that isnt perfect, but not half as bad as alot of them.
Basically you bought the game, you didnt like it, your hurting. You will get over it, no worries.
Garrik
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"once upon a midnight dreary, while i porn surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of 'hot xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, "give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404."