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BluRay getz Pwnd (think I might return my PS3 now)
odinthedemon
Member Posts: 200
http://dvd.ign.com/articles/813/813808p1.html
A swift kick to the nuts, this will be Sony's 5th (more or less) time backing the losing team.
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What's your Wu Name?
Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight
Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader
"Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.."
<i>ME<i>
The whole format wars game it a chance for the industry to mess with us consumers. However, your title is horrible offbase. Bluray is still selling at a 3:1 ration against HD-DVD. So it's far from "pwned". HD-DVD just got "pwned" by that same right when Blockbuster dropped them for rentals in their retails stores with plans to drop them from their online service as well. Even Netflix is waffling now because the rental number are dismal compared to BD.
I think the payment of $150 million to Paramount to switch (read HERE) was the deciding factor, not the success of HD-DVD. We'll see how long the contract was for. As of this point that gives HD-DVD two whole studios that support the exclusively (the other being Universal). I think a blazing sign that this wasn't a unanimous decision to switch formats is the "excludes titles directed by Stephen Spielberg" taglin. THERE's 'pwnage" for you. Major studios flip and flop and make multi-million dollar decisions and Spielberg gives them the bird. You gotta love that a handful of directors are so big that they get to decide whatever the hell they want without any studios being able to say squat. The dialogue must have been great on that one.
Paramount: "That's it, once we cash this check we're support HD-DVD exclusively! All films under out label will go to HD-DVD only."
Spielberg: "No."
Paramount: "But, we got a check!"
Spielberg: "No."
Paramount: "But....but....yes sir, Mr. Spielberg."
Spielberg: "No."
Paramount: "Huh? We already said okay to you."
Spielberg: "I know, I just love saying no to you guys."
Don't get me wrong, I have both systems so it doesn't hurt me either way to buy the movies on either format. It just would be nice to see OBJECTIVE reporting instead of fanboyisms. Bluray sales are WINNING, so I am not sure how you gather that they are the "losing" team. Other then Paramount and Universal all otehr studios either support BD exclusively or cross format.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
No way!
Meth! You told me all my HD DVDs would be obsolete in a few months! Why did you lie to me!
PORQUE!?
Eternally mine,
Keebs
The MMO gaming blog I write for.
What's funny about this is that Blockbuster said they will not carry HDDVDs until they are sure which format will be successful. Blockbuster chose BluRay. Laff.
Well Blu-ray is winning but i don't really think any platform will come out on top. What'll probably happen is they'll be outdated by the time people are ready to settle down to a HD format.
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Especially when Paramount's Bluray movies have been outselling their HD-DVD's 3 to 1 or worse...
Its really sad when a whole media format is being supported by a corporation rather than the consumer...
What's your Wu Name?
Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight
Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader
"Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.."
<i>ME<i>
I'd keep my eye on Warner who is worked on the hybrid Blu-HD system and reader. When and if they secure the rights to a multi-beam laser we'll have drives that read the hybrid format AND BD and HD-DVD.
I'd say the next big titles to watch on Hi-Def release to gauge sales (meaning titles that are being released on both formats) will be the Harry Potter films. 300 was the last big cross-format release and the BD sales trounced the HD-DVD.
Now, had this news been "Spielberg signs permanetly with HD-DVD" or "Disney signs with HD-DVD" it would have been more meaningful. Hell, it's only an 18 month contract even. You can tell Paramount is just being greedy for cash right now and not concerned with the next 18 months. Odds are they cross platform at the end of the period too. Paramount doesn't even have a HUGE title line-up to be a concern (save a few more recent films like Shrek and Transformers...which is still being argued on format according to some sources. I will reserve judgement till I see it there). I almost wonder if there will be some massive scandal to arise out of this somewhat under-the-table payoff.
Like I have said time and again, until BD loses Disney (who brings with them Disney Studio, Buena Vista, Pixar, ABC, and the list goes on) they have a pretty strong platform. Universal is, by far, the strongest beast for HD-DVD as they bring USA and NBC with them as well (though when compared ABC has more television hits out currently over NBC).
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
Wow. Where to start?
First off, BluRay is selling at a 2:1 margin, not 3:1, and in the case of 300 it was a 1.5:1. (link)
Second: There are now 4 studios exlcusive to HD DVD: Universal, Paramount, Dreamworks, and Weinstein. (Not 2)
Third: To say that Sony didn't pay off Blockbuster, or Target just like HD DVD did with Paramount is stupid. Both of these groups have been paying people off left and right to influence which format the consumer will choose.
Fourth: Speilberg is NOT exclusive to Blu Ray, he has said so a number of times. Third Encounters is coming exlcusively to Blu Ray simply because he never secured the rights to that movie. Most major directors, who own rights to their movies, are waiting until full inception of the formats before putting their new movies on them so they can get the most money. You don't make a lot of money by selling 100,000 copies of it when the DVD versions are still selling millions.
I fully support letting the consumer choose, which means I believe that all studios should be neutral, but because the BD exclusive studios refused to grant that simple choice I am completely happy about this progression in the format war. If they all won't go neutral than its about damn time HD DVD began fighting back.
Inside sources say their is supposed to be another major HD DVD announcement coming to CEDIA, which is later this year (October I think).
Eternally mine,
Keebs
The MMO gaming blog I write for.
On a very FUNNY ass note: If you want to see some crazy propganda on BOTH sides hit www.hddvd.com and www.bluray.com . The stories are pretty hillarious. Though, I do have to say, the HDDVD reaches on their "articles" a bit more. The BD articles generally talk about certain movies gained or lost. But seeing "We Know Which Format has Lost" as an article on HDDVD.com was a riot. They claimed to have beaten.....VHS. Woohoo! Almost as bad as an IGN article.
Now, my stance on formats has NOTHING to do with their respectve owners. Personally, I think both Toshiba/MS and Sony are lesser evils most of the time. As an information techologist, however, I prefer BD. I am all about the idea of "The more you can cram on the better". 100GB discs looming in the near future (Pirate 1 and 2 BD are being shipping on 75GB discs for anyone who didn't realise that the 50GB barrier is already broken) is just insane. Database backups on less discs, software on less discs, and things like that are just too tasty. Mind you again, I am happy that the 9.4GB layer has beeb broken period, even by HD-DVD.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
I think you're confused here.
Bluray isn't allowed by the DVD group to make DVD hybrids.
Edit: And also
Doesn't seem like 1.5 : 1 to me..
What's your Wu Name?
Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight
Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader
"Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.."
<i>ME<i>
I think you're confused here.
Bluray isn't allowed by the DVD group to make DVD hybrids.
Edit: And also
Doesn't seem like 1.5 : 1 to me..
that being a statistic from just one month :P Hardly shows the big picture.
Bluray isn't allowed by the DVD group to make DVD hybrids.
What? I'm not confused, you are.
All studios going neutral means that Universal, Lionsgate, Fox, Sony, Disney, MGM, Paramount, Dreamworks, and Weinstein would now be releasing their movies in Blu Ray AND HD DVD to let the consumer decide which format will win (Warner, HBO and NewLine are already neutral). As it appears now, the corporations (primarily BD corps.) wanted to force the consumers to choose their own HD format, while I dislike any exclusivity it is nice to see Toshiba and Microsoft step up and start fighting back. At the rate it was going their were basically just lying down in front of Sony.
Eternally mine,
Keebs
The MMO gaming blog I write for.
This entire thing is pretty retarded overall. I must agree with an older comment about these 2 formats becoming outdated and getting pwned by some new technology whose efficiency and cost will unite the world into embracing it :P
Wow. Where to start?
First off, BluRay is selling at a 2:1 margin, not 3:1, and in the case of 300 it was a 1.5:1. (link)
Rebutal: Numbers that vary week to week and by reporting source. Nielsenscan, whom I find a bit more reliable than Tom, was reporting 3:1. Nonetheless, my point still stands. It is hard to call the guys who are selling more movies "the losing side"
Second: There are now 4 studios exlcusive to HD DVD: Universal, Paramount, Dreamworks, and Weinstein. (Not 2)
I will admit to leaving Dreamworks out of the list becauae it is "Dreamworks Animation SKG" that signed which is a child company OF Paramount...therefore that would be counting the same company twice. As for Weinstein Studios, I was trying to include larger established studios only. I will give credit to Weinstein for some of the films they have released, however. So I will give HD 3 studios.
Third: To say that Sony didn't pay off Blockbuster, or Target just like HD DVD did with Paramount is stupid. Both of these groups have been paying people off left and right to influence which format the consumer will choose.
I won't disagree with you there. However, to run around saying HD won because Paramount went with them out of the kindness of their own heart (which is the topic of this thread) is silly. Sure, I think it's daft that both sides are using their checkbooks to win, but the fact stands that BD has a higher selling rate. That is the only gauge that we, as consumers, directly control.
Fourth: Speilberg is NOT exclusive to Blu Ray, he has said so a number of times. Third Encounters is coming exlcusively to Blu Ray simply because he never secured the rights to that movie. Most major directors, who own rights to their movies, are waiting until full inception of the formats before putting their new movies on them so they can get the most money. You don't make a lot of money by selling 100,000 copies of it when the DVD versions are still selling millions.
I never, at any time said that Speilberg said he was exclusive. (By the way...the guy is building his new house 17 miles from me. Anyone wanna go knock on his door and ask to see what his home entertainment center looks like?). So I do have to wonder WHERE you got that impression from me to comment on it. I was merely stating that I LOVE the fact that there are some directors so big that major studios can't tell them what to do with their movies. Yes, I think the fact that it's an 18 month contract combined with the fact that Speilberg wouldn't agree to it (which is funny since the S in SKG stands for Speilberg...even though they sold ownership of Dreamworks Animation a bit ago) screams that it was a pure "money only" deal.
I fully support letting the consumer choose, which means I believe that all studios should be neutral, but because the BD exclusive studios refused to grant that simple choice I am completely happy about this progression in the format war. If they all won't go neutral than its about damn time HD DVD began fighting back.
True, the Sony owned titles will never swing both ways, but a lot of the larger labels have opted to straddle the fence (Newline, Warner, etc). I agree that all the labels should be nuetral, but that's a perfect world in which we do not live. As for you saying you are "completely happy with this progression in the format war", I find that a bit disturbing. Regardless of who supports what, when money bribes are involved (on either side) I wouldn't be completely happy. That's saying that you are happy that a Corporate Checkbook can make your decisions for you. It kind of defeats you primary concept of letting the consumer choose.
Inside sources say their is supposed to be another major HD DVD announcement coming to CEDIA, which is later this year (October I think).
Again, I am waiting for Warner to spank them both.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
Bluray isn't allowed by the DVD group to make DVD hybrids.
What? I'm not confused, you are.
All studios going neutral means that Universal, Lionsgate, Fox, Sony, Disney, MGM, Paramount, Dreamworks, and Weinstein would now be releasing their movies in Blu Ray AND HD DVD to let the consumer decide which format will win (Warner, HBO and NewLine are already neutral). As it appears now, the corporations (primarily BD corps.) wanted to force the consumers to choose their own HD format, while I dislike any exclusivity it is nice to see Toshiba and Microsoft step up and start fighting back. At the rate it was going their were basically just lying down in front of Sony.
I think what he is saying, and you're both confused purely as to what the other is syaing, is that HD-DVD started the exclusivity fight when they told BD that they were NOT allowed to use the "DVD on oneside, BD on the other" hybrid disc that HD-DVD uses. From the getgo they set forth a "Us or Them" mentallity that started the very exclusivity you seem to be against.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
I'm not a fanboy, I think this will be (as with most things) decided by price, and currently the HD-DVD players are much cheaper than the Bluray players. I really wouldn't mind if Sony won this round, since on paper the Bluray disc can hold more data, which can mean more for consumers in the long term...
But people love to save money, and right now Bluray is still pretty pricey...
I think it would have done a LOT better than it currently is doing, if the PS3 had some screaming titles and was selling like hot cakes. If the PS3 had a gaggle of killer apps, they sell more systems and in a way sell Bluray as the choice format...
Unfortunatly the PS3 is very meh at this point, and is seriously lacking apps... Yes I know that "someday", it'll have more games, but NOW is what matters, not 5 years down the road.
Eternally mine,
Keebs
The MMO gaming blog I write for.
Now here, I cannot really disagree with you. Yes, HD-DVD players are cheaper (though the quality drives are still $400 or so...so not a lot cheaper than a PS3 which gives you more than a movie player). All these "numbers" from difference research groups get obnoxious. On one hand NPD reports that BD sales are blasting HD-DVD, but on the other they report that HD-DVD players are blasting BD player sales. Makes me wonder if people are buying HD-DVDs and only renting. I think the upcoming BD Burners might make a swing in the BD direction just because of the said format space.
Now, as for PS3, I would say the next 3 months will either be a flop or shine for them. With a lot of their promised "big" titles coming out it may just now be the time for the PS3 to strut its stuff. I remember how crappy Xbox did when they first came out and relied on Halo as their big hitter. It took a while for them to get a nice catalogue (this is most likely because both companies just want to get their boxes into our hands before we really hand anything to do with it.) PS3 has Lair, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, and Uncharted: Drake's Fortune coming out within the next 3 months or so. The next big wave will be the FF13 and MGS4 wave. We'll have to see how PS3 does after these titles release.
Oddly enough, even with the lacking catalogue, my PS3 gets more use than my 360 (for whatever reason it looks better on my HDTV as a standard DVD player than my 360 HD-DVD drive...and yes, both are hooked up via indentical quality HDMI cables and I have swapped both to make sure). Also, there are a few cross platform games I play on the PS3 because I don't have to pay for a yearly service to play online (Darkness and Blazing Angels: Sqaudrons of WWII).
EDIT: Woohoo...big 1000th post for me. Give me an intarweb dammit!
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
I end this argument now. BetaMax FTW.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
It's nice to see that the love for colors hasn't come to an end. Now your trying to share it through quoting...
Makes it prettier to read.... and you're quote on the left is too close to mine :P
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
As a pirate who hasn't bought a movie in longer than a year, for the first time ever, I can say I honestly don't give a crap.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure someone will win eventually but all that'll mean for me is a new copy of alcohol or daemon tools.
Now with 57.3% more flames!
Bluray won... HDDVD was dead already by spring 2007.
Desperate measures will not change the death sentence.
Yet another knowledgeable scholar to grace our halls.
Please enlighten us.
Eternally mine,
Keebs
The MMO gaming blog I write for.