I believe I've now played every f2p MMO available in an English version, and IMHO Archlord is the very best. The only other f2p that I continued to play after testing it out was rappelz and Archlord is a way better game in my eyes.
People tend to critique games like this as a p2p seeing thats how it started and to be honest as a p2p I wouldn't give it the time of day, but honestly.. the people flaming this game need to go and experiement with all the other f2p games out there, this truly is a great f2p game.
Originally posted by Soultwister I believe I've now played every f2p MMO available in an English version, and IMHO Archlord is the very best. The only other f2p that I continued to play after testing it out was rappelz and Archlord is a way better game in my eyes. People tend to critique games like this as a p2p seeing thats how it started and to be honest as a p2p I wouldn't give it the time of day, but honestly.. the people flaming this game need to go and experiement with all the other f2p games out there, this truly is a great f2p game.
Yep, thats what i mean. We know Archlord has a shoddy start, with bad business ideas and it wasnt worth the P2P price, but as a F2P its a very good game because it costs nothing and you still get somthing decent.
Compare it to any other F2P game out there and im not just talking about AO im mean other games in its genre and you will not find anything worse about Archlord than what is in them, but imo iv found it to be alot nice, i just like the atmosphere of the game and the general gameplay.
You are correct about the community, it is very good indeed, even with all the new people flocking in right now people still seem to be nice, of course there are a few bad apples but nothing astronomical.
Thanks alot
Garrik
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ArchLord is a generic Lineage2/Korean MMO gridner clone, the least they could have done is fix their movement system. If you don't know ArchLord is missing alot of animations, you spot the most basic one is missing - stopping and starting again, yes movements are missing ALOT of animations.
Grinder MMORPGs are dead boring, get it to your heads.
Originally posted by Ravens0ul ArchLord is a generic Lineage2/Korean MMO gridner clone, the least they could have done is fix their movement system. If you don't know ArchLord is missing alot of animations, you spot the most basic one is missing - stopping and starting again, yes movements are missing ALOT of animations. Grinder MMORPGs are dead boring, get it to your heads.
The WASD is clunky indeed, but the point and click works just fine.
Some people dont mind grinding, hell some even enjoy it. Get it into your head.
Garrik
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"once upon a midnight dreary, while i porn surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of 'hot xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, "give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404."
I hate the controls... Out of all the point and click mmorpgs I played, this one is the worst. Really poor path ai. I'm constantly getting stuck behind a tree, rock, any obstacle.
On the other hand, everything else in this game, I've been enjoying.
It's my favorite F2P game, other than Granado Espada, but that's over taken by botters. >:(
Hmm Out of all point and click RPG I like this one the most. Than again the only W A S D rpg I mainly played was Vanguard. I like using the mouse to move, because I always have my 4 fingers ready on the skill bar.
Ive got to agree. I've tried about 12 or so F2P MMO's, mainly from the MMORPG.com list. And I have to say this one is my favorite so far. I can see why people would be mad about paying for it before it changed. But as a F2P game its one of the better ones by far, and a nice alternative to SilkRoad Online.
Iv been watching these forums recently, mainly to see how people would react to Archlord going totally free and to be honest im shocked at some of the idiocy. Why are people complaining ? Archlord was not fit to be P2P that is fair enough and i dont know what CM are thinking and this hasnt helped Archlords rep atall, but its really time to drop that now as they are trying to make up for there mistake so it seems. Now as for Archlords quality as a F2P game, well i think its pretty damn good, its definatly in the top 5 and i have played pretty much every single F2P mmo out there so far. It has great PVP, fair enough its a grinder (what F2P game isnt) but it does have atleast one unique feature and thats the Archlord system and one unique feature is better than ZERO that most other F2P games (and alot of P2P games) offer. Iv seen people comparing it to WoW and other P2P games, what the hell are you people thinking, a P2P game is bound to have more features (or should do, alot dont) just due to its funding. I saw some guy complaining about it not having an opening cinematic, i ask you, are you for real, iv not seen even ONE F2P game with an opening movie when you actually start the game up, infact most P2P MMOS dont have one either, again another person comparing it to WoW (thats what he actually said in his post to). Ok so its a typical Asian point and click grinder, so what, some people enjoy them. But Archlord is one of the best F2P asian point and click grinders out there. To all the haters, the game is actually starting to pick up now population wise and the game itself, but it still hasnt got the population it deserves. Look at Silkroad and some other F2P games, they are packed and i cant understand why this one isnt right now. I really do hope CM get a huge increase in players, the game most definatly does deserve it now. Thanks alot Garrik
The main problem also lies with the fact that it started as a P2P.It's F2P now but since it started out as P2P people will expect it to be the quality etc of a P2P not F2P.So i agree that for an F2P it's a decent game but for a P2P for me it was an utter joke.
When they start it out as a P2P game you have certain expectations and seeing how the population went down fast the majority of paying customers found the game lacking a lot for a P2P.So now they made it F2P but most people know it was P2P so tend to think there was something worthwile for it being P2P and will compare it to P2P games.And well...every game get's compared to WoW these days unfortunalty but understandable.
Like i said i see your point and for a F2P i'd say it's good , but i've tried it P2P and for me it was the worst investment in a game i've ever done.Both for the cash as the time i spend on it.I'd say they should've started F2P anyway so the reason why populations are low and the grief the game get's is all CM's fault nothing else.
Originally posted by flakes Originally posted by Garrik Iv been watching these forums recently, mainly to see how people would react to Archlord going totally free and to be honest im shocked at some of the idiocy. Why are people complaining ? Archlord was not fit to be P2P that is fair enough and i dont know what CM are thinking and this hasnt helped Archlords rep atall, but its really time to drop that now as they are trying to make up for there mistake so it seems. Now as for Archlords quality as a F2P game, well i think its pretty damn good, its definatly in the top 5 and i have played pretty much every single F2P mmo out there so far. It has great PVP, fair enough its a grinder (what F2P game isnt) but it does have atleast one unique feature and thats the Archlord system and one unique feature is better than ZERO that most other F2P games (and alot of P2P games) offer. Iv seen people comparing it to WoW and other P2P games, what the hell are you people thinking, a P2P game is bound to have more features (or should do, alot dont) just due to its funding. I saw some guy complaining about it not having an opening cinematic, i ask you, are you for real, iv not seen even ONE F2P game with an opening movie when you actually start the game up, infact most P2P MMOS dont have one either, again another person comparing it to WoW (thats what he actually said in his post to). Ok so its a typical Asian point and click grinder, so what, some people enjoy them. But Archlord is one of the best F2P asian point and click grinders out there. To all the haters, the game is actually starting to pick up now population wise and the game itself, but it still hasnt got the population it deserves. Look at Silkroad and some other F2P games, they are packed and i cant understand why this one isnt right now. I really do hope CM get a huge increase in players, the game most definatly does deserve it now. Thanks alot Garrik
The main problem also lies with the fact that it started as a P2P.It's F2P now but since it started out as P2P people will expect it to be the quality etc of a P2P not F2P.So i agree that for an F2P it's a decent game but for a P2P for me it was an utter joke.
When they start it out as a P2P game you have certain expectations and seeing how the population went down fast the majority of paying customers found the game lacking a lot for a P2P.So now they made it F2P but most people know it was P2P so tend to think there was something worthwile for it being P2P and will compare it to P2P games.And well...every game get's compared to WoW these days unfortunalty but understandable. Like i said i see your point and for a F2P i'd say it's good , but i've tried it P2P and for me it was the worst investment in a game i've ever done.Both for the cash as the time i spend on it.I'd say they should've started F2P anyway so the reason why populations are low and the grief the game get's is all CM's fault nothing else.
Yep i fully agree, iv mentioned in some other posts that its CMs fault for even thinking they could get away with a P2P model for Archlord.
Im just happy to see its getting onto its feet atlast.
Garrik
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If some less than intelligent individuals decided to pay for a game that was made with free to play in mind that is their problem. Archlord was a f2p game from the very beginning, not the games fault someone tried to charge people for it.
If some less than intelligent individuals decided to pay for a game that was made with free to play in mind that is their problem. Archlord was a f2p game from the very beginning, not the games fault someone tried to charge people for it.
Well not everyone reads up on where the game originaly comes from and who the developer was.I only heard bout it when CM came with it and then bought it.I didn't know it existed as a F2P before.So still i say CM charged for it so they made it appear like a regular P2P game with it obviously shouldn't be.But hey i am probably a "less intelligent" person right.
If some less than intelligent individuals decided to pay for a game that was made with free to play in mind that is their problem. Archlord was a f2p game from the very beginning, not the games fault someone tried to charge people for it.
Actually ArchLord was build as p2p game from the very beginning...
I simply do not understand why anyone with a life and a brain would play this piece of dog doo.
Honestly it's that bad.
Because not everyone likes exactly the same as what you like, some people simply just enjoy the game, just becuase you dont like it doesnt make other brainless or lifeless for enjoying it.
Anyway by your standards that would mean that nobody should play 90% of the F2P games seeing as most of them require alot of grinding and that would also mean that Lineage 2 is also a crap game.
I agree the grind is hefty though (although it doesnt bother me) but its definatly not the worst i have come across infact Silkroads SP grinding is worse and 2Moons leveling right now is just as bad as Archlords easily, but i understand that still doesnt make the grind acceptable, but if people enjoy the game they enjoy the game, its that simple.
Garrik
Well the problem for you Garrik and CM is the majority of players agree with me, so stick by your guns - go down with the ship - but players vote with their wallets - and players don't want to pay for this pile of doo.
So they made it free - and still people don't want to play it.
Maybe just maybe - all of these people see Archlord for what it really is, maybe just maybe your the one with the perception problem.
Just something to think about.
You've asked a question, it's been answered - sorry your not liking the answer.
I simply do not understand why anyone with a life and a brain would play this piece of dog doo.
Honestly it's that bad.
Because not everyone likes exactly the same as what you like, some people simply just enjoy the game, just becuase you dont like it doesnt make other brainless or lifeless for enjoying it.
Anyway by your standards that would mean that nobody should play 90% of the F2P games seeing as most of them require alot of grinding and that would also mean that Lineage 2 is also a crap game.
I agree the grind is hefty though (although it doesnt bother me) but its definatly not the worst i have come across infact Silkroads SP grinding is worse and 2Moons leveling right now is just as bad as Archlords easily, but i understand that still doesnt make the grind acceptable, but if people enjoy the game they enjoy the game, its that simple.
Garrik
Well the problem for you Garrik and CM is the majority of players agree with me, so stick by your guns - go down with the ship - but players vote with their wallets - and players don't want to pay for this pile of doo.
So they made it free - and still people don't want to play it.
Maybe just maybe - all of these people see Archlord for what it really is, maybe just maybe your the one with the perception problem.
Just something to think about.
You've asked a question, it's been answered - sorry your not liking the answer.
I have to admit its quite amusing to see your arguements go down one by one Zigmund, untill there is nothing left.
Your previous arguements:"Look at the ratings! The game sucks because it shows on the ratings on mmorpg.com".
Over the past half year the score of the game has risen more and more.
Still people don't want to play it? Go ahead and log in to the game any of the two servers will do and check the lower level towns. Its like a launch day, its crowded..VERY crowded. and those towns have been like that ever since the client became free to download, and it doesn't look like the new wave of new new players is stopping anytime soon. Both of the game servers are on medium state 24/7, except for when the servers are on full, and yes, even Gaiahon has been on full status already. I think it is only a matter of time before the 3rd server goes live.
Maybe..and I say just maybe you will one day realise that not everybody is the same, not everyone shares your opinion and yours is definitly not a fact. thought judging you by the arrogance you have shown in the past, I have given up all hope.
This debate is pointless. Those who played it as P2P and hated it will bash the game. Everybody has the chance to really taste the game for themselves. Don't need others opinion to influence them.
I played Archlord when it first came out (from Open Beta onwards) - after a month and a half stopped playing. As i like many who left - didn't feel it was worth paying for.
Now its F2P - I play this game again, in fact as much as 2Moons and Cabal. Im sure other people who left are coming back too. And the server status is always at medium, due to the many new people.
My point is people should make their own mind up about how good this game is. The opinions people had when it was P2P are outdated now, so it should be disregarded.
Of course like any game - if there is no sound business model, updates, fixes etc .... it could still die!!
Originally posted by zigmund I simply do not understand why anyone with a life and a brain would play this piece of dog doo. Honestly it's that bad.
Because not everyone likes exactly the same as what you like, some people simply just enjoy the game, just becuase you dont like it doesnt make other brainless or lifeless for enjoying it. Anyway by your standards that would mean that nobody should play 90% of the F2P games seeing as most of them require alot of grinding and that would also mean that Lineage 2 is also a crap game. I agree the grind is hefty though (although it doesnt bother me) but its definatly not the worst i have come across infact Silkroads SP grinding is worse and 2Moons leveling right now is just as bad as Archlords easily, but i understand that still doesnt make the grind acceptable, but if people enjoy the game they enjoy the game, its that simple. Garrik
Well the problem for you Garrik and CM is the majority of players agree with me, so stick by your guns - go down with the ship - but players vote with their wallets - and players don't want to pay for this pile of doo. So they made it free - and still people don't want to play it. Maybe just maybe - all of these people see Archlord for what it really is, maybe just maybe your the one with the perception problem. Just something to think about. You've asked a question, it's been answered - sorry your not liking the answer.
How arrgoent do you want to be ? there is no problem for me, none what so ever, i like the game and alot of people have jonined up since it went free and they are also enjoying the game.
As for me having a perception problem, id say its you with the perception problem, with your head being stuck up your arse and all.
Either way, my question has been answered in a variety of ways and i havnt disliked any answer in particular (i dont cry over a forum post unlike you), i have on the other hand had moronic posts such as yours, but they are just fun, gives the rest of us somthing to laguh at.
Dont kid yourself in thinking that your answer is the final answer, your answer means nothing to me as its nothing more than a spew of self praise and arrogence. Now take a step down off your cloud (or a long fall preferably), your no higher than the rest of us and your word is not fact.
Garrik
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"once upon a midnight dreary, while i porn surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of 'hot xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, "give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404."
The free-to-play status certainly made me consider trying it out (i'm a cheapskate, I know), and I do agree with some of the more sensible posters here that it's among the better F2P games out there. To be specific, it doesn't have the server capacity problems of Silkroad (not yet, at least), and has a better graphic quality than Rappelz. I have yet to experience the grind in the 20s and 30s, but so far, Archlord is making a good impression on me.
Comparing it to WoW or Lineage II is just ridiculous. It won't compare to pay-to-play games, especially the more popular ones. But if you were unbiased and logical, you'd compare it with its own league of FREE-to-play MMOs and see that it can hold its own.
Yeah, some will probably say, "but it was P2P before!" and that was a mistake on the part of Codemasters, and now they're making up for it, and now Archlord is in its rightful place.
I beta'd Archlord. I do not even recall why I hated it, but in about an hour after playing I had made up my mind it was trash. I don't usually do that with Betas. I know betas aren't the final game (I've done my share of limited betas so I get that fully). This one did not seem incomplete to be honest. It just seemed like they went the wrong way with most decisions. I usually give games a longer shot, Especially ones that I had been interested in (Archlord always had an interesting website). It just seems like Archlord ened up run of the mill, of the type I generally associate with 'Asian-market' games. The feel was cold and uninviting. Harsh. Largely Barren. No inter-relationships across the game world. Like the genre tend to be. No thanks.
If a lot of people had the same experience as me, even F2P is not enough to make me waste my bandwidth giving it another shot.
Originally posted by Uproar I beta'd Archlord. I do not even recall why I hated it, but in about an hour after playing I had made up my mind it was trash. I don't usually do that with Betas. I know betas aren't the final game (I've done my share of limited betas so I get that fully). This one did not seem incomplete to be honest. It just seemed like they went the wrong way with most decisions. I usually give games a longer shot, Especially ones that I had been interested in (Archlord always had an interesting website). It just seems like Archlord ened up run of the mill, of the type I generally associate with 'Asian-market' games. The feel was cold and uninviting. Harsh. Largely Barren. No inter-relationships across the game world. Like the genre tend to be. No thanks. If a lot of people had the same experience as me, even F2P is not enough to make me waste my bandwidth giving it another shot.
Before i say anything and get accused of not listening to peoples opinions, ill just let you know, i know this is your opinion and that is fine, but this is mine.
Cold and uninviting - How so, i dont see anything cold or uninviting about the game, its not a great deal different than others, infact i find the world itself quite interesting in AL compared to some other flat boring games.
Harsh - Again how is it harsh ? The PVP may be sometimes, but apart from that i dont see how you can describe the game as harsh.
Largely Barren - Sorry but no, you played the game for an hour (thats what YOU said) how the hell can you possibly know what the game world is like in an hour, you wont have even seen a quatre of the game. Also, there is nothing barren about the game actually, its got alot of little side areas, ruins, run down houses, windmills, mountains and alot more, all areas are also packed with monsters, players (now anyway) and flora.
No inter-relationships across game world - This point is abit of an odd one to me, how is there no inter-relationships across the world, you can whisper, local chat and shout just like most other MMOS, infact the shout chat channel is always being used for conversations between players and the trade channel has regular sales and purchases going on throughout the day.
Garrik
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"once upon a midnight dreary, while i porn surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of 'hot xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, "give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404."
Iv been watching these forums recently, mainly to see how people would react to Archlord going totally free and to be honest im shocked at some of the idiocy. Why are people complaining ? Archlord was not fit to be P2P that is fair enough and i dont know what CM are thinking and this hasnt helped Archlords rep atall, but its really time to drop that now as they are trying to make up for there mistake so it seems. Now as for Archlords quality as a F2P game, well i think its pretty damn good, its definatly in the top 5 and i have played pretty much every single F2P mmo out there so far. It has great PVP, fair enough its a grinder (what F2P game isnt) but it does have atleast one unique feature and thats the Archlord system and one unique feature is better than ZERO that most other F2P games (and alot of P2P games) offer. Iv seen people comparing it to WoW and other P2P games, what the hell are you people thinking, a P2P game is bound to have more features (or should do, alot dont) just due to its funding. I saw some guy complaining about it not having an opening cinematic, i ask you, are you for real, iv not seen even ONE F2P game with an opening movie when you actually start the game up, infact most P2P MMOS dont have one either, again another person comparing it to WoW (thats what he actually said in his post to). Ok so its a typical Asian point and click grinder, so what, some people enjoy them. But Archlord is one of the best F2P asian point and click grinders out there. To all the haters, the game is actually starting to pick up now population wise and the game itself, but it still hasnt got the population it deserves. Look at Silkroad and some other F2P games, they are packed and i cant understand why this one isnt right now. I really do hope CM get a huge increase in players, the game most definatly does deserve it now. Thanks alot Garrik
"point and click grinder" pretty much says it all in terms of the game's perceived worthlessness and the community vote via thier wallets to the same effect. This is not a game that began its life as free. It became free when nobody would spend for it since the universal take on this was it was a train wreck of a game not worth a nickel.
I'm sorry but the market has spoken and no amount of attempted justification or excuses for a substandard pay to play game which failed and thus became free, is going to help its cause.
I'm glad you enjoy it for what it is worth, which is zero. There's nothing wrong with that but you cannot tell me the game has any redeeming value for me because it clearly does not.
I'm not a "hater" or whatever. I simply want to have fun in my free time and in my view, this ain't fun.
Iv been watching these forums recently, mainly to see how people would react to Archlord going totally free and to be honest im shocked at some of the idiocy. Why are people complaining ? Archlord was not fit to be P2P that is fair enough and i dont know what CM are thinking and this hasnt helped Archlords rep atall, but its really time to drop that now as they are trying to make up for there mistake so it seems. Now as for Archlords quality as a F2P game, well i think its pretty damn good, its definatly in the top 5 and i have played pretty much every single F2P mmo out there so far. It has great PVP, fair enough its a grinder (what F2P game isnt) but it does have atleast one unique feature and thats the Archlord system and one unique feature is better than ZERO that most other F2P games (and alot of P2P games) offer. Iv seen people comparing it to WoW and other P2P games, what the hell are you people thinking, a P2P game is bound to have more features (or should do, alot dont) just due to its funding. I saw some guy complaining about it not having an opening cinematic, i ask you, are you for real, iv not seen even ONE F2P game with an opening movie when you actually start the game up, infact most P2P MMOS dont have one either, again another person comparing it to WoW (thats what he actually said in his post to). Ok so its a typical Asian point and click grinder, so what, some people enjoy them. But Archlord is one of the best F2P asian point and click grinders out there. To all the haters, the game is actually starting to pick up now population wise and the game itself, but it still hasnt got the population it deserves. Look at Silkroad and some other F2P games, they are packed and i cant understand why this one isnt right now. I really do hope CM get a huge increase in players, the game most definatly does deserve it now. Thanks alot Garrik
"point and click grinder" pretty much says it all in terms of the game's perceived worthlessness and the community vote via thier wallets to the same effect. This is not a game that began its life as free. It became free when nobody would spend for it since the universal take on this was it was a train wreck of a game not worth a nickel.
I'm sorry but the market has spoken and no amount of attempted justification or excuses for a substandard pay to play game which failed and thus became free, is going to help its cause.
I'm glad you enjoy it for what it is worth, which is zero. There's nothing wrong with that but you cannot tell me the game has any redeeming value for me because it clearly does not.
I'm not a "hater" or whatever. I simply want to have fun in my free time and in my view, this ain't fun.
I'm sorry, but what gives you the illusion that people aren't paying for this game right now? Do you think that Codemasters turned into a company that gives charity? An item shop model is simply that, a different payment method, and more and more games switch to this payment method.
People are paying more this game. If they weren't, then the servers would be closed by now.
I forgot to add that is always amusing to see how people view the quality of a game depending on whether it is free or not.
Quality is not measured by price. It either is or is not there but price doesn't make it any more or less.
That said, I can understand fooling around with something that's free since at least it doesn't cost money. However, it does cost your valuable and finite time. Nobody gets out of here alive you know? Since life is far to short to waste, how can you justify time spent on something you would say sucked when it cost something to play and then say it is cool now because its free? Why would your playtime vary according to whether some steaming pile is free or not? lol
Iv been watching these forums recently, mainly to see how people would react to Archlord going totally free and to be honest im shocked at some of the idiocy. Why are people complaining ? Archlord was not fit to be P2P that is fair enough and i dont know what CM are thinking and this hasnt helped Archlords rep atall, but its really time to drop that now as they are trying to make up for there mistake so it seems. Now as for Archlords quality as a F2P game, well i think its pretty damn good, its definatly in the top 5 and i have played pretty much every single F2P mmo out there so far. It has great PVP, fair enough its a grinder (what F2P game isnt) but it does have atleast one unique feature and thats the Archlord system and one unique feature is better than ZERO that most other F2P games (and alot of P2P games) offer. Iv seen people comparing it to WoW and other P2P games, what the hell are you people thinking, a P2P game is bound to have more features (or should do, alot dont) just due to its funding. I saw some guy complaining about it not having an opening cinematic, i ask you, are you for real, iv not seen even ONE F2P game with an opening movie when you actually start the game up, infact most P2P MMOS dont have one either, again another person comparing it to WoW (thats what he actually said in his post to). Ok so its a typical Asian point and click grinder, so what, some people enjoy them. But Archlord is one of the best F2P asian point and click grinders out there. To all the haters, the game is actually starting to pick up now population wise and the game itself, but it still hasnt got the population it deserves. Look at Silkroad and some other F2P games, they are packed and i cant understand why this one isnt right now. I really do hope CM get a huge increase in players, the game most definatly does deserve it now. Thanks alot Garrik
"point and click grinder" pretty much says it all in terms of the game's perceived worthlessness and the community vote via thier wallets to the same effect. This is not a game that began its life as free. It became free when nobody would spend for it since the universal take on this was it was a train wreck of a game not worth a nickel.
I'm sorry but the market has spoken and no amount of attempted justification or excuses for a substandard pay to play game which failed and thus became free, is going to help its cause.
I'm glad you enjoy it for what it is worth, which is zero. There's nothing wrong with that but you cannot tell me the game has any redeeming value for me because it clearly does not.
I'm not a "hater" or whatever. I simply want to have fun in my free time and in my view, this ain't fun.
I'm sorry, but what gives you the illusion that people aren't paying for this game right now? Do you think that Codemasters turned into a company that gives charity? An item shop model is simply that, a different payment method, and more and more games switch to this payment method.
People are paying more this game. If they weren't, then the servers would be closed by now.
Oh, I don't know. Maybe its all the banner ads offering it for free? Yeah, I am pretty sure that is where I got that "idea"
I was not aware they are attempting the sell ingame stuff and zones for money trick. That might work if they had a game that people would pay for those things but are you serious about thinking Codemasters is even in the black with Archlord at this point? It's going to take a whole lot of swords and orbs sales to make that up.
This is what is known as damage control and nothing more, regardless of business model. The game is doomed by the looks of things but I will concede that perhaps Codemasters has and is willing to put resources into this in what I regard as a vain attempt to keep it afloat.
There is also the possibility that for marketing reasons a company may care about consumer perceptions of trust for future releases. In other words, if something fails and the reaction were to outright kill it and shut down the servers, how likely would gamers be to trust the same company next time around with any pay for play game. Generally speaking there is a $50. commitment beyond free trials to purchase and play something further. If the company's last game sunk in just months how would that impact a future effort in terms of consumer's perception and willingness to spend money knowing last time they abandoned ship?
I don't know they think that way of course but you have to wonder when you see examples like SOE keeping games like Planetside afloat. Then again, SOE actually purchased a failed game (Matrix) so who knows what thier business strategy is. Maybe they just wanted some low maintenence inconsequential and inexpensive filler for the "All Access" deal they promote and Matrix was a cheap addition, I can't imagine Planetside costs them much as they have done little to it for years now.
It was clear early on that Auto Assault was not going to make it however they did keep it up for a year and I am inclined to think it was a mix of the reasons cited above and a sincere effort at first to make it work but it just didn't so they at least cut thier losses and ended it.
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I believe I've now played every f2p MMO available in an English version, and IMHO Archlord is the very best. The only other f2p that I continued to play after testing it out was rappelz and Archlord is a way better game in my eyes.
People tend to critique games like this as a p2p seeing thats how it started and to be honest as a p2p I wouldn't give it the time of day, but honestly.. the people flaming this game need to go and experiement with all the other f2p games out there, this truly is a great f2p game.
Yep, thats what i mean. We know Archlord has a shoddy start, with bad business ideas and it wasnt worth the P2P price, but as a F2P its a very good game because it costs nothing and you still get somthing decent.
Compare it to any other F2P game out there and im not just talking about AO im mean other games in its genre and you will not find anything worse about Archlord than what is in them, but imo iv found it to be alot nice, i just like the atmosphere of the game and the general gameplay.
You are correct about the community, it is very good indeed, even with all the new people flocking in right now people still seem to be nice, of course there are a few bad apples but nothing astronomical.
Thanks alot
Garrik
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Grinder MMORPGs are dead boring, get it to your heads.
The WASD is clunky indeed, but the point and click works just fine.
Some people dont mind grinding, hell some even enjoy it. Get it into your head.
Garrik
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"once upon a midnight dreary, while i porn surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of 'hot xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, "give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404."
I hate the controls... Out of all the point and click mmorpgs I played, this one is the worst. Really poor path ai. I'm constantly getting stuck behind a tree, rock, any obstacle.
On the other hand, everything else in this game, I've been enjoying.
It's my favorite F2P game, other than Granado Espada, but that's over taken by botters. >:(
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Hmm Out of all point and click RPG I like this one the most. Than again the only W A S D rpg I mainly played was Vanguard. I like using the mouse to move, because I always have my 4 fingers ready on the skill bar.
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Ive got to agree. I've tried about 12 or so F2P MMO's, mainly from the MMORPG.com list. And I have to say this one is my favorite so far. I can see why people would be mad about paying for it before it changed. But as a F2P game its one of the better ones by far, and a nice alternative to SilkRoad Online.
The main problem also lies with the fact that it started as a P2P.It's F2P now but since it started out as P2P people will expect it to be the quality etc of a P2P not F2P.So i agree that for an F2P it's a decent game but for a P2P for me it was an utter joke.
When they start it out as a P2P game you have certain expectations and seeing how the population went down fast the majority of paying customers found the game lacking a lot for a P2P.So now they made it F2P but most people know it was P2P so tend to think there was something worthwile for it being P2P and will compare it to P2P games.And well...every game get's compared to WoW these days unfortunalty but understandable.
Like i said i see your point and for a F2P i'd say it's good , but i've tried it P2P and for me it was the worst investment in a game i've ever done.Both for the cash as the time i spend on it.I'd say they should've started F2P anyway so the reason why populations are low and the grief the game get's is all CM's fault nothing else.
When they start it out as a P2P game you have certain expectations and seeing how the population went down fast the majority of paying customers found the game lacking a lot for a P2P.So now they made it F2P but most people know it was P2P so tend to think there was something worthwile for it being P2P and will compare it to P2P games.And well...every game get's compared to WoW these days unfortunalty but understandable.
Like i said i see your point and for a F2P i'd say it's good , but i've tried it P2P and for me it was the worst investment in a game i've ever done.Both for the cash as the time i spend on it.I'd say they should've started F2P anyway so the reason why populations are low and the grief the game get's is all CM's fault nothing else.
Yep i fully agree, iv mentioned in some other posts that its CMs fault for even thinking they could get away with a P2P model for Archlord.
Im just happy to see its getting onto its feet atlast.
Garrik
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"once upon a midnight dreary, while i porn surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of 'hot xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, "give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404."
If some less than intelligent individuals decided to pay for a game that was made with free to play in mind that is their problem. Archlord was a f2p game from the very beginning, not the games fault someone tried to charge people for it.
Well not everyone reads up on where the game originaly comes from and who the developer was.I only heard bout it when CM came with it and then bought it.I didn't know it existed as a F2P before.So still i say CM charged for it so they made it appear like a regular P2P game with it obviously shouldn't be.But hey i am probably a "less intelligent" person right.
Actually ArchLord was build as p2p game from the very beginning...
Because not everyone likes exactly the same as what you like, some people simply just enjoy the game, just becuase you dont like it doesnt make other brainless or lifeless for enjoying it.
Anyway by your standards that would mean that nobody should play 90% of the F2P games seeing as most of them require alot of grinding and that would also mean that Lineage 2 is also a crap game.
I agree the grind is hefty though (although it doesnt bother me) but its definatly not the worst i have come across infact Silkroads SP grinding is worse and 2Moons leveling right now is just as bad as Archlords easily, but i understand that still doesnt make the grind acceptable, but if people enjoy the game they enjoy the game, its that simple.
Garrik
Well the problem for you Garrik and CM is the majority of players agree with me, so stick by your guns - go down with the ship - but players vote with their wallets - and players don't want to pay for this pile of doo.
So they made it free - and still people don't want to play it.
Maybe just maybe - all of these people see Archlord for what it really is, maybe just maybe your the one with the perception problem.
Just something to think about.
You've asked a question, it's been answered - sorry your not liking the answer.
Because not everyone likes exactly the same as what you like, some people simply just enjoy the game, just becuase you dont like it doesnt make other brainless or lifeless for enjoying it.
Anyway by your standards that would mean that nobody should play 90% of the F2P games seeing as most of them require alot of grinding and that would also mean that Lineage 2 is also a crap game.
I agree the grind is hefty though (although it doesnt bother me) but its definatly not the worst i have come across infact Silkroads SP grinding is worse and 2Moons leveling right now is just as bad as Archlords easily, but i understand that still doesnt make the grind acceptable, but if people enjoy the game they enjoy the game, its that simple.
Garrik
Well the problem for you Garrik and CM is the majority of players agree with me, so stick by your guns - go down with the ship - but players vote with their wallets - and players don't want to pay for this pile of doo.
So they made it free - and still people don't want to play it.
Maybe just maybe - all of these people see Archlord for what it really is, maybe just maybe your the one with the perception problem.
Just something to think about.
You've asked a question, it's been answered - sorry your not liking the answer.
I have to admit its quite amusing to see your arguements go down one by one Zigmund, untill there is nothing left.Your previous arguements:"Look at the ratings! The game sucks because it shows on the ratings on mmorpg.com".
Indeed zigmund, lets do take a look at the ratings: http://mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setView/overview/gameID/228
Current rating: 7.1
Over the past half year the score of the game has risen more and more.
Still people don't want to play it? Go ahead and log in to the game any of the two servers will do and check the lower level towns. Its like a launch day, its crowded..VERY crowded. and those towns have been like that ever since the client became free to download, and it doesn't look like the new wave of new new players is stopping anytime soon. Both of the game servers are on medium state 24/7, except for when the servers are on full, and yes, even Gaiahon has been on full status already. I think it is only a matter of time before the 3rd server goes live.
Maybe..and I say just maybe you will one day realise that not everybody is the same, not everyone shares your opinion and yours is definitly not a fact. thought judging you by the arrogance you have shown in the past, I have given up all hope.
This debate is pointless. Those who played it as P2P and hated it will bash the game. Everybody has the chance to really taste the game for themselves. Don't need others opinion to influence them.
I played Archlord when it first came out (from Open Beta onwards) - after a month and a half stopped playing. As i like many who left - didn't feel it was worth paying for.
Now its F2P - I play this game again, in fact as much as 2Moons and Cabal. Im sure other people who left are coming back too. And the server status is always at medium, due to the many new people.
My point is people should make their own mind up about how good this game is. The opinions people had when it was P2P are outdated now, so it should be disregarded.
Of course like any game - if there is no sound business model, updates, fixes etc .... it could still die!!
How arrgoent do you want to be ? there is no problem for me, none what so ever, i like the game and alot of people have jonined up since it went free and they are also enjoying the game.
As for me having a perception problem, id say its you with the perception problem, with your head being stuck up your arse and all.
Either way, my question has been answered in a variety of ways and i havnt disliked any answer in particular (i dont cry over a forum post unlike you), i have on the other hand had moronic posts such as yours, but they are just fun, gives the rest of us somthing to laguh at.
Dont kid yourself in thinking that your answer is the final answer, your answer means nothing to me as its nothing more than a spew of self praise and arrogence. Now take a step down off your cloud (or a long fall preferably), your no higher than the rest of us and your word is not fact.
Garrik
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The free-to-play status certainly made me consider trying it out (i'm a cheapskate, I know), and I do agree with some of the more sensible posters here that it's among the better F2P games out there. To be specific, it doesn't have the server capacity problems of Silkroad (not yet, at least), and has a better graphic quality than Rappelz. I have yet to experience the grind in the 20s and 30s, but so far, Archlord is making a good impression on me.
Comparing it to WoW or Lineage II is just ridiculous. It won't compare to pay-to-play games, especially the more popular ones. But if you were unbiased and logical, you'd compare it with its own league of FREE-to-play MMOs and see that it can hold its own.
Yeah, some will probably say, "but it was P2P before!" and that was a mistake on the part of Codemasters, and now they're making up for it, and now Archlord is in its rightful place.
I beta'd Archlord. I do not even recall why I hated it, but in about an hour after playing I had made up my mind it was trash. I don't usually do that with Betas. I know betas aren't the final game (I've done my share of limited betas so I get that fully). This one did not seem incomplete to be honest. It just seemed like they went the wrong way with most decisions. I usually give games a longer shot, Especially ones that I had been interested in (Archlord always had an interesting website). It just seems like Archlord ened up run of the mill, of the type I generally associate with 'Asian-market' games. The feel was cold and uninviting. Harsh. Largely Barren. No inter-relationships across the game world. Like the genre tend to be. No thanks.
If a lot of people had the same experience as me, even F2P is not enough to make me waste my bandwidth giving it another shot.
Before i say anything and get accused of not listening to peoples opinions, ill just let you know, i know this is your opinion and that is fine, but this is mine.
Cold and uninviting - How so, i dont see anything cold or uninviting about the game, its not a great deal different than others, infact i find the world itself quite interesting in AL compared to some other flat boring games.
Harsh - Again how is it harsh ? The PVP may be sometimes, but apart from that i dont see how you can describe the game as harsh.
Largely Barren - Sorry but no, you played the game for an hour (thats what YOU said) how the hell can you possibly know what the game world is like in an hour, you wont have even seen a quatre of the game. Also, there is nothing barren about the game actually, its got alot of little side areas, ruins, run down houses, windmills, mountains and alot more, all areas are also packed with monsters, players (now anyway) and flora.
No inter-relationships across game world - This point is abit of an odd one to me, how is there no inter-relationships across the world, you can whisper, local chat and shout just like most other MMOS, infact the shout chat channel is always being used for conversations between players and the trade channel has regular sales and purchases going on throughout the day.
Garrik
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"once upon a midnight dreary, while i porn surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of 'hot xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, "give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404."
"point and click grinder" pretty much says it all in terms of the game's perceived worthlessness and the community vote via thier wallets to the same effect. This is not a game that began its life as free. It became free when nobody would spend for it since the universal take on this was it was a train wreck of a game not worth a nickel.
I'm sorry but the market has spoken and no amount of attempted justification or excuses for a substandard pay to play game which failed and thus became free, is going to help its cause.
I'm glad you enjoy it for what it is worth, which is zero. There's nothing wrong with that but you cannot tell me the game has any redeeming value for me because it clearly does not.
I'm not a "hater" or whatever. I simply want to have fun in my free time and in my view, this ain't fun.
He who hesitates is lost.
"point and click grinder" pretty much says it all in terms of the game's perceived worthlessness and the community vote via thier wallets to the same effect. This is not a game that began its life as free. It became free when nobody would spend for it since the universal take on this was it was a train wreck of a game not worth a nickel.
I'm sorry but the market has spoken and no amount of attempted justification or excuses for a substandard pay to play game which failed and thus became free, is going to help its cause.
I'm glad you enjoy it for what it is worth, which is zero. There's nothing wrong with that but you cannot tell me the game has any redeeming value for me because it clearly does not.
I'm not a "hater" or whatever. I simply want to have fun in my free time and in my view, this ain't fun.
I'm sorry, but what gives you the illusion that people aren't paying for this game right now? Do you think that Codemasters turned into a company that gives charity? An item shop model is simply that, a different payment method, and more and more games switch to this payment method.People are paying more this game. If they weren't, then the servers would be closed by now.
I forgot to add that is always amusing to see how people view the quality of a game depending on whether it is free or not.
Quality is not measured by price. It either is or is not there but price doesn't make it any more or less.
That said, I can understand fooling around with something that's free since at least it doesn't cost money. However, it does cost your valuable and finite time. Nobody gets out of here alive you know? Since life is far to short to waste, how can you justify time spent on something you would say sucked when it cost something to play and then say it is cool now because its free? Why would your playtime vary according to whether some steaming pile is free or not? lol
He who hesitates is lost.
"point and click grinder" pretty much says it all in terms of the game's perceived worthlessness and the community vote via thier wallets to the same effect. This is not a game that began its life as free. It became free when nobody would spend for it since the universal take on this was it was a train wreck of a game not worth a nickel.
I'm sorry but the market has spoken and no amount of attempted justification or excuses for a substandard pay to play game which failed and thus became free, is going to help its cause.
I'm glad you enjoy it for what it is worth, which is zero. There's nothing wrong with that but you cannot tell me the game has any redeeming value for me because it clearly does not.
I'm not a "hater" or whatever. I simply want to have fun in my free time and in my view, this ain't fun.
I'm sorry, but what gives you the illusion that people aren't paying for this game right now? Do you think that Codemasters turned into a company that gives charity? An item shop model is simply that, a different payment method, and more and more games switch to this payment method.People are paying more this game. If they weren't, then the servers would be closed by now.
Oh, I don't know. Maybe its all the banner ads offering it for free? Yeah, I am pretty sure that is where I got that "idea"
He who hesitates is lost.
I was not aware they are attempting the sell ingame stuff and zones for money trick. That might work if they had a game that people would pay for those things but are you serious about thinking Codemasters is even in the black with Archlord at this point? It's going to take a whole lot of swords and orbs sales to make that up.
This is what is known as damage control and nothing more, regardless of business model. The game is doomed by the looks of things but I will concede that perhaps Codemasters has and is willing to put resources into this in what I regard as a vain attempt to keep it afloat.
There is also the possibility that for marketing reasons a company may care about consumer perceptions of trust for future releases. In other words, if something fails and the reaction were to outright kill it and shut down the servers, how likely would gamers be to trust the same company next time around with any pay for play game. Generally speaking there is a $50. commitment beyond free trials to purchase and play something further. If the company's last game sunk in just months how would that impact a future effort in terms of consumer's perception and willingness to spend money knowing last time they abandoned ship?
I don't know they think that way of course but you have to wonder when you see examples like SOE keeping games like Planetside afloat. Then again, SOE actually purchased a failed game (Matrix) so who knows what thier business strategy is. Maybe they just wanted some low maintenence inconsequential and inexpensive filler for the "All Access" deal they promote and Matrix was a cheap addition, I can't imagine Planetside costs them much as they have done little to it for years now.
It was clear early on that Auto Assault was not going to make it however they did keep it up for a year and I am inclined to think it was a mix of the reasons cited above and a sincere effort at first to make it work but it just didn't so they at least cut thier losses and ended it.
He who hesitates is lost.