Lol Conan's boi, I like that one. But seriously, what did I say about WAR in that post? Did I flame WAR? Did I bash WAR? No.. I bashed Mythic, for not in all these years having an official forum and their only excuse being 'we really don't see the need.' I was there in the early days of DAoC, when they heavily posted on the VNboards, and how the players were constantly bitching and flaming them on those boards to the point where they left, completely disassociated themselves, and started having community updates on the Herald instead. Personally, from my point of view, as a long time DAoC player, they got sick of the ranting (instead of fixing the reasons behind it,) so they left. And to this day they won't open an official forum. 'We just don't see the need' pffft. Thats BS, and they know it. Official forums are INTEGRAL for a MMOGs community, it brings them together, gives the community a place to discuss the game, likes and dislikes, and express, en mass, what they think needs changed or improved. Of course theres gonna be some flaming, trolling, just plain b*tching. That comes with the territory, especially with DAoC, considering Mythics fondness for the nerf-bat in that game lol. But to just shrug off such an important community tool because you don't want to hear it anymore, thats chicken shit. Sorry, it just is. Oh and, any time you hear me put WAR in a negative light, it's generally in a discussion about something I am unhappy about. The direction of it's PvP for example. But at the same time, I make a good number of positive posts about the game as well. In this forum, I can get a little ah.. 'bashy' lol. But thats generally when war fanboi's have come out of the woodwork to bash a game needlessly. But I suppose, this website being the ass end of the MMOG community, I should know better.
Seeing as you are claiming to be fair and impartial I decided to do the age old tradition on these boards of looking at your thread history. I went through the first 10 pages of your thread history looking at both WAR and AoC responses. Here is what I found.
Over 10 pages of responses you had 9 positive posts about WAR. Out of those 9, 5 also contained negative comments.
In contrast over the same 10 pages you had 20 negative posts about WAR. Out of those 20, 5 also contained positive comments.
While I did not take an accurate count on AoC posts... I only saw 5 - 6 responses that were negative in any way compared to several dozen positive posts on AoC.
Reading your threads I did get some insight into some of your hostility. It is very apparent you have a grudge against Mythic because of your time spent in DAoC. This has obviously carried over and even in one post you admit this. At the same time you talk up AO and funcom quite a bit and how innovative and complex you feel AO was. I think you need to take a look at these deep seeded biases before making any comments about being impartial. Anyone that reads your posts can see otherwise. This does not make you a bad person... on the contrary I no longer think you are a troll... I do however think you have such strong bias for both of these companies you can not be constructive in these forums.
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
Lol Conan's boi, I like that one. But seriously, what did I say about WAR in that post? Did I flame WAR? Did I bash WAR? No.. I bashed Mythic, for not in all these years having an official forum and their only excuse being 'we really don't see the need.' I was there in the early days of DAoC, when they heavily posted on the VNboards, and how the players were constantly bitching and flaming them on those boards to the point where they left, completely disassociated themselves, and started having community updates on the Herald instead. Personally, from my point of view, as a long time DAoC player, they got sick of the ranting (instead of fixing the reasons behind it,) so they left. And to this day they won't open an official forum. 'We just don't see the need' pffft. Thats BS, and they know it. Official forums are INTEGRAL for a MMOGs community, it brings them together, gives the community a place to discuss the game, likes and dislikes, and express, en mass, what they think needs changed or improved. Of course theres gonna be some flaming, trolling, just plain b*tching. That comes with the territory, especially with DAoC, considering Mythics fondness for the nerf-bat in that game lol. But to just shrug off such an important community tool because you don't want to hear it anymore, thats chicken shit. Sorry, it just is. Oh and, any time you hear me put WAR in a negative light, it's generally in a discussion about something I am unhappy about. The direction of it's PvP for example. But at the same time, I make a good number of positive posts about the game as well. In this forum, I can get a little ah.. 'bashy' lol. But thats generally when war fanboi's have come out of the woodwork to bash a game needlessly. But I suppose, this website being the ass end of the MMOG community, I should know better.
Seeing as you are claiming to be fair and impartial I decided to do the age old tradition on these boards of looking at your thread history. I went through the first 10 pages of your thread history looking at both WAR and AoC responses. Here is what I found.
Over 10 pages of responses you had 9 positive posts about WAR. Out of those 9, 5 also contained negative comments.
In contrast over the same 10 pages you had 20 negative posts about WAR. Out of those 20, 5 also contained positive comments.
While I did not take an accurate count on AoC posts... I only saw 5 - 6 responses that were negative in any way compared to several dozen positive posts on AoC.
Reading your threads I did get some insight into some of your hostility. It is very apparent you have a grudge against Mythic because of your time spent in DAoC. This has obviously carried over and even in one post you admit this. At the same time you talk up AO and funcom quite a bit and how innovative and complex you feel AO was. I think you need to take a look at these deep seeded biases before making any comments about being impartial. Anyone that reads your posts can see otherwise. This does not make you a bad person... on the contrary I no longer think you are a troll... I do however think you have such strong bias for both of these companies you can not be constructive in these forums.
In his defense, I can vouche that he does most of his negative posting on the official forums and not here because he is more likely to get a developer to respond over there.
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Originally posted by Varlok91 Imperator had nothing to do with RvR, it was going to be primarily a PvE game. The fact that it didn't have RvR is probably one of the main reasons it was postponed indefinitely. If Imperator was taken up again I am sure it will be built with RvR in mind. So using Imperator as an argument about Mythic's lack of RvR experience is not so great. DAoC has proven they can do massive RvR quite well.
Check the website and you will see all the same hype about the game that is relevent to mythic's other games in an RvR environment. I have several press releases from the time and an E3 2005 brochure mentioning RvR for Imperator. When people (like anubisss - troll, just come back from ban? - oh dear.) start saying mythic have nothing to prove - they have EVERYTHING to prove to the market now that their seats are lined with EA stuffing.
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Point being what we were shown was a quick as possible demo that would take a couple of hours to do easy and we saw it in 7 minutes. Everything was sped up for the press. Yes its unfinished but you really have to be tapped in the head to think it would be finished all presently nicely for the show, 7 months to the day from launch.
2 people controlling 200 characters all tracking was stated at about 50% CPU usage - the Demo was exactly that a simulation - a quick glimpse.
Watch the mmorpg.com video and listen to the commentry.
You guys really need to learn the truth about what happened.
Imperator was put on indefinite hold because Mythic had just acquired the Warhammer license. They didn't have the resources of EA at that time, so Mark Jacobs decided to put Imperator on hold and spend all their resources not tied up in DAoC on WAR.
I'm unimpressed. After the AO fiasco, I won't be satisfied until I have seen siege combat with actual players in it. And no, NPCs do not create anywhere near the same kind of lag players do. A Player has mounds more data than an NPC ever will. That's why in most major cities in MMOs, when the city is almost empty there are few problems but as soon as it gets crowded problems show up in spades. Until I see the siege in action with players, not NPCs, I will continue to hold judgment on the game.
You guys really need to learn the truth about what happened.
Imperator was put on indefinite hold because Mythic had just acquired the Warhammer license. They didn't have the resources of EA at that time, so Mark Jacobs decided to put Imperator on hold and spend all their resources not tied up in DAoC on WAR.
I'm unimpressed. After the AO fiasco, I won't be satisfied until I have seen siege combat with actual players in it. And no, NPCs do not create anywhere near the same kind of lag players do. A Player has mounds more data than an NPC ever will. That's why in most major cities in MMOs, when the city is almost empty there are few problems but as soon as it gets crowded problems show up in spades. Until I see the siege in action with players, not NPCs, I will continue to hold judgment on the game.
Be prepared for attacks and insults then. Your view of the siege combat will earn you great disdain from the more fanatical bunch. If you edit your post and say you loved what you saw.. they might leave you alone. Maybe.
Boy Warboi's are out in force today. Pissed their game lost to AoC twice over I guess. It's not even worth posting stuff like this on here Avery. Warboi's that infest this forum would rip anything you post on here to pieces, as this thread clearly shows. Just stick with the official forums. Were at least even the complaint posts are constructive. I'd advise the Warboi's to do the same but, Mythic is to chicken shit to have their own forums, so they have to come here to work their frustrations out.
Dude, Fion, I feel like swearing at you but I can't cuz then I'll get banned so I will remain calm. But can you honestly take a break and stop typing for about 5 min. Everywhere I go I see your name plastered on the forums and I don't even have to read what you posted anymore, cuz somewhere in there you'll say something bad about WAR. Always, something about WAR. "So what did you have for breakfast this morning?" "You know city sieges are stupid cuz they might be instanced hahahahahaha! Warhammer is for losers hahaha!" STOP. For the love of God pls stop, it is very annoying... I'm sure I'm not the only one who has noticed this. You don't like WAR, I get it, everyone gets it! Keep your hands in your pockets and don't type anymore of this garbage. And calling Mythic chicken shit is not gonna solve anything either, it just makes you look pathetic.
Btw, nice word, Warboi, what does that make you? Aocboi? No that doesn't sound right... let's just call you Conan's boi
Lol Conan's boi, I like that one. But seriously, what did I say about WAR in that post? Did I flame WAR? Did I bash WAR? No.. I bashed Mythic, for not in all these years having an official forum and their only excuse being 'we really don't see the need.' I was there in the early days of DAoC, when they heavily posted on the VNboards, and how the players were constantly bitching and flaming them on those boards to the point where they left, completely disassociated themselves, and started having community updates on the Herald instead.
Personally, from my point of view, as a long time DAoC player, they got sick of the ranting (instead of fixing the reasons behind it,) so they left. And to this day they won't open an official forum. 'We just don't see the need' pffft. Thats BS, and they know it. Official forums are INTEGRAL for a MMOGs community, it brings them together, gives the community a place to discuss the game, likes and dislikes, and express, en mass, what they think needs changed or improved. Of course theres gonna be some flaming, trolling, just plain b*tching. That comes with the territory, especially with DAoC, considering Mythics fondness for the nerf-bat in that game lol. But to just shrug off such an important community tool because you don't want to hear it anymore, thats chicken shit. Sorry, it just is.
Oh and, any time you hear me put WAR in a negative light, it's generally in a discussion about something I am unhappy about. The direction of it's PvP for example. But at the same time, I make a good number of positive posts about the game as well. In this forum, I can get a little ah.. 'bashy' lol. But thats generally when war fanboi's have come out of the woodwork to bash a game needlessly. But I suppose, this website being the ass end of the MMOG community, I should know better.
Have you actually been to the fansites. They can be just as good as an official forum. They're helpful and informative and sometimes you see devs posting there. Plus there's the WAR herald, another great way to get info. So I don't see what the problem is. Official forums bring people together? Hardly, they tear people apart even more. You may not see it now since the games haven't launched yet but give it time. Not having an official forum does not at all make or break a game, in fact over half the population probably doesn't even post on them. You go there ask a question, it gets answered and your done, you start playing again. That's all it's good for. I don't blame them for not wanting to make one. Maybe they forsaw the future and imagined alot of the immature WoW kiddies coming over to WAR so they decided to hold off on the official forums, who knows.
This issue will not harm the game's success in any way. I just do not see how it possibly could. As long as they have fansites and Mythic listen's to customer complaints and suggestions it'll do great.
Btw, you do bash WAR, but in a sneaky way. You start your post with a thought, then you go to a complaint, and then sometimes you say something positive out of the blue, just to hide your negative comment. You look like your just trolling the forums all the time looking for something to say that will piss people off. If that was your goal, you succeeded, and you should stop now. After all, these are just games. Go debate on world issues...global warming for example, people might actually enjoy your complaints.
Boy Warboi's are out in force today. Pissed their game lost to AoC twice over I guess. It's not even worth posting stuff like this on here Avery. Warboi's that infest this forum would rip anything you post on here to pieces, as this thread clearly shows. Just stick with the official forums. Were at least even the complaint posts are constructive. I'd advise the Warboi's to do the same but, Mythic is to chicken shit to have their own forums, so they have to come here to work their frustrations out.
Dude, Fion, I feel like swearing at you but I can't cuz then I'll get banned so I will remain calm. But can you honestly take a break and stop typing for about 5 min. Everywhere I go I see your name plastered on the forums and I don't even have to read what you posted anymore, cuz somewhere in there you'll say something bad about WAR. Always, something about WAR. "So what did you have for breakfast this morning?" "You know city sieges are stupid cuz they might be instanced hahahahahaha! Warhammer is for losers hahaha!" STOP. For the love of God pls stop, it is very annoying... I'm sure I'm not the only one who has noticed this. You don't like WAR, I get it, everyone gets it! Keep your hands in your pockets and don't type anymore of this garbage. And calling Mythic chicken shit is not gonna solve anything either, it just makes you look pathetic.
Btw, nice word, Warboi, what does that make you? Aocboi? No that doesn't sound right... let's just call you Conan's boi
Lol Conan's boi, I like that one. But seriously, what did I say about WAR in that post? Did I flame WAR? Did I bash WAR? No.. I bashed Mythic, for not in all these years having an official forum and their only excuse being 'we really don't see the need.' I was there in the early days of DAoC, when they heavily posted on the VNboards, and how the players were constantly bitching and flaming them on those boards to the point where they left, completely disassociated themselves, and started having community updates on the Herald instead.
Personally, from my point of view, as a long time DAoC player, they got sick of the ranting (instead of fixing the reasons behind it,) so they left. And to this day they won't open an official forum. 'We just don't see the need' pffft. Thats BS, and they know it. Official forums are INTEGRAL for a MMOGs community, it brings them together, gives the community a place to discuss the game, likes and dislikes, and express, en mass, what they think needs changed or improved. Of course theres gonna be some flaming, trolling, just plain b*tching. That comes with the territory, especially with DAoC, considering Mythics fondness for the nerf-bat in that game lol. But to just shrug off such an important community tool because you don't want to hear it anymore, thats chicken shit. Sorry, it just is.
Oh and, any time you hear me put WAR in a negative light, it's generally in a discussion about something I am unhappy about. The direction of it's PvP for example. But at the same time, I make a good number of positive posts about the game as well. In this forum, I can get a little ah.. 'bashy' lol. But thats generally when war fanboi's have come out of the woodwork to bash a game needlessly. But I suppose, this website being the ass end of the MMOG community, I should know better.
Have you actually been to the fansites. They can be just as good as an official forum. They're helpful and informative and sometimes you see devs posting there. Plus there's the WAR herald, another great way to get info. So I don't see what the problem is. Official forums bring people together? Hardly, they tear people apart even more. You may not see it now since the games haven't launched yet but give it time. Not having an official forum does not at all make or break a game, in fact over half the population probably doesn't even post on them. You go there ask a question, it gets answered and your done, you start playing again. That's all it's good for. I don't blame them for not wanting to make one. Maybe they forsaw the future and imagined alot of the immature WoW kiddies coming over to WAR so they decided to hold off on the official forums, who knows.
This issue will not harm the game's success in any way. I just do not see how it possibly could. As long as they have fansites and Mythic listen's to customer complaints and suggestions it'll do great.
Btw, you do bash WAR, but in a sneaky way. You start your post with a thought, then you go to a complaint, and then sometimes you say something positive out of the blue, just to hide your negative comment. You look like your just trolling the forums all the time looking for something to say that will piss people off. If that was your goal, you succeeded, and you should stop now. After all, these are just games. Go debate on world issues...global warming for example, people might actually enjoy your complaints.
It is true that some of the fansites are damn near as good as official ones for Warhammer Online. At the same time though the official forums allow us for the most part to get direct feedback from the developers and most of the ones at FunCom seem willing to join in on a current debate. With no official forums you have no direct route of getting feedback from a developer, just a hope they stop by unofficial forums. Like you said though, in the end, it will not truly have any impact on WARs success. If the game is fun, than the game is fun. End of story.
Be prepared for attacks and insults then. Your view of the siege combat will earn you great disdain from the more fanatical bunch. If you edit your post and say you loved what you saw.. they might leave you alone. Maybe.
Honestly, they can say whatever their little heart desires. I don't care. I was there for Anarchy Online's beta. I was there for it's release. I bought the box. I didn't pay a single month's subscription. I experienced first hand the multitude of problems. I even went back almost 3 months ago. I uninstalled AO when I ran into some of the exact same problems I had way back in 2001. I was also there on opening day of Dark Age of Camelot. I played that game for multiple years. I've also been there for numerous other releases of other MMOs, including City of Heroes/Villains and World of Warcraft.
Funcom has a lot to prove to me that they deserve my money. And some video showing 200 NPCs in what is supposed to be a Siege battle with most of those NPCs just standing around doing a whole lot of nothing shows me nothing. How long have they had to prepare for Leipzig? And this was the best they could come up with? And Convention awards? They mean nothing to me. Some of my favorite games never won a single show award. Yet I play them because they are fun and engaging. As I said, until Funcom can actually prove they've cleaned up their act and can release a stable, playable, fun game I'll reserve my judgment of the game. It hasn't really looked good so far though.
Originally posted by Varlok91 Imperator had nothing to do with RvR, it was going to be primarily a PvE game. The fact that it didn't have RvR is probably one of the main reasons it was postponed indefinitely. If Imperator was taken up again I am sure it will be built with RvR in mind. So using Imperator as an argument about Mythic's lack of RvR experience is not so great. DAoC has proven they can do massive RvR quite well.
Check the website and you will see all the same hype about the game that is relevent to mythic's other games in an RvR environment. I have several press releases from the time and an E3 2005 brochure mentioning RvR for Imperator. When people (like anubisss - troll, just come back from ban? - oh dear.) start saying mythic have nothing to prove - they have EVERYTHING to prove to the market now that their seats are lined with EA stuffing.
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Point being what we were shown was a quick as possible demo that would take a couple of hours to do easy and we saw it in 7 minutes. Everything was sped up for the press. Yes its unfinished but you really have to be tapped in the head to think it would be finished all presently nicely for the show, 7 months to the day from launch.
2 people controlling 200 characters all tracking was stated at about 50% CPU usage - the Demo was exactly that a simulation - a quick glimpse.
Watch the mmorpg.com video and listen to the commentry.
Unlike Dark Age of Camelot, Imperator is a Player versus Environment (PvE) game. However, given that much of the game is set in the Roman Republic, there will be plenty of opportunities to players to test themselves against other players within the game. If you have seen our E3 demo movie, there is a reason that the Flavian Amphitheater (known as the Coliseum in our world) occupies a central part.
I totally changed my idea about conan, I mean I dont fucking care if the game isnt polished yet, these mass PVP battles is what MMO's should be about and alot better then the instanced crap WAR is showing imho.
Before this video I was a WAR supporter cause I had no alternative ( or atleast I thought I didnt ), now AOC will be my next mmorpg for sure.
Looks like AoC is DAoC2 and WAR is just a WoW clone
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Sure the game needs some polishing obviously, and the animations aren't exactly cutting edge but other than that the game seems to be ok. In my opinion, it's better than what I've seen from WAR so far...thats for sure.
Theres like hundred or so npcs on field and about no lag!
This will put Warhammers static battlegrounds to shame...SHAME!
But you say....AOC will have castle sieging / epic battles!! I say yes they will, but not that often, I garuntee in a FFA pvp game..you will see it but once in a blue moon. Most of the pvp content in that game will be small battles or just straight up ganking. When you join AOC you really dont enter the game until level 20, I doubt you will be effective at pvp until your a late level as well.
In warhammer the day you walk into the world you are able to RVR, and you will be able to RVR every second of your existence if you want. Warhammer looks ( from videos ) like it will have some very cool PVE experiences as well, its important to have great pve content as well imho.
So here it is, if you want war all the time...everywhere you look ~ this game wins. If you want the FFA experience obviously AOC will deliver..
Also I have a strong intuition that AOC will be a laggy mofo in epic battles, hehe just my opinion though.
Theres like hundred or so npcs on field and about no lag!
This will put Warhammers static battlegrounds to shame...SHAME!
But you say....AOC will have castle sieging / epic battles!! I say yes they will, but not that often, I garuntee in a FFA pvp game..you will see it but once in a blue moon. Most of the pvp content in that game will be small battles or just straight up ganking. When you join AOC you really dont enter the game until level 20, I doubt you will be effective at pvp until your a late level as well.
In warhammer the day you walk into the world you are able to RVR, and you will be able to RVR every second of your existence if you want. Warhammer looks ( from videos ) like it will have some very cool PVE experiences as well, its important to have great pve content as well imho.
So here it is, if you want war all the time...everywhere you look ~ this game wins. If you want the FFA experience obviously AOC will deliver..
Also I have a strong intuition that AOC will be a laggy mofo in epic battles, hehe just my opinion though.
More Warhammer TROLL fodder ....
Ok, FIRST you need to get strait on Warhammer, because if you think you hit RVR from day one, you need to go read some reviews on some other gaming websites, because that VERY statement is the ONE thing that MOST people agree is FALSE. Warhammer has been chanting about its RvR from the moment you log in, the first time, but players seem to agree that its not really the case, and most of the time spend in the first few weeks are "Kill X number of boars" "Find X number of Logs" This isn't a warhammer Forum, if you want to boast about warhammer GOTO their forum..
You are right, BattleKEEP fights will not be every day, but they will DEFINITLY be weekely, But theres also TOWERS, and RESOURCE NODES worth fighting over, and THEY WILL BE FOUGHT over, because they are HUGE advantages of Capturing one of these ....
I could go on for days about the problems with Warhammer, but I won't because NOBODY HERE WANTS TO HEAR ABOUT WARHAMMER.
Now that I've got your attention I'd like to say that I got the inspiration for this topic, from all the other threads here on this forum. As it seems EVERYONE knows EVERYTHING about Warhammer Online, but very very few have any real facts that they can show. Everyone talks about how the PvP is going to be, and How the Raiding is going to be. The fact is most of the posts made here are pure speculation. I came here to get real info about this game. I've got my eye on this and ..... I'm not going to say the other name, because I don't want to start the Game Hater war, but surficive to say its another MMO, and I wanted to see if this game would excite me as much as the other, but have found NOTHING valueable in these threads. A lot of theorys and speculation, and no real facts.
"Ok, FIRST you need to get strait on Warhammer, because if you think you hit RVR from day one, you need to go read some reviews on some other gaming websites, because that VERY statement is the ONE thing that MOST people agree is FALSE. Warhammer has been chanting about its RvR from the moment you log in, the first time, but players seem to agree that its not really the case, and most of the time spend in the first few weeks are "Kill X number of boars" "Find X number of Logs""
Link to those mysterious players that seem to agree that it's not really the case, and most of the time spend in the first few weeks are "kill x number of boars"
Aside from the fact that anyone who says that is breaking nda (seeing how only people who are in beta could know what people are doing after playing the game for more than 1 hour) Also, mind explaining what is there to stop people from doing rvr from the moment they log on? Obviously, you'd need to run to the pvp area (and you don't know where that is in the first 5 seconds of being loged on) and most people would probably pve some to get used to controlls and what not.
But, what's there to stop people from going into pvp area and rvr'ing there from day one? heck, people do that in daoc (yes, rvr from day one with their lvl 5 chars =p) and in war you even get gear from pvp, so it's even better in that regard than daoc. Also, combine this with 100+ newbies in the starting zone at release all of whom are trying to steal -your- mobs, why would you not go into rvr area and have some fun zerg vs zerg fights and get gold, exp and items while you at it?
So, take your own advice and get "strait" on Warhammer if you think you *don't* hit rvr from day one.
"I didn't see much action in that footage. Also many of the attacks were the same repetitive moves (i saw maybe 2 or 3 variations). I can understand that maybe those guys were low levels, or didnt know what they were doing. " - No they were max level and super powered up (to the point where 2 of them = like 24 regular players)
Ahh it was NPC not PC there , and yeah this was the system of massive pvp without the pvp or massive part just the structures and goals.
Oh and npcs do not cause more lag, thats bs. For many different reason , 1 way signals (cuts bandwidth reqs. in half) Coding which allows mobs to move differnently than players , npcs don't all look differnet and there is no need to load and transmit or process what mobs are wearing ... becuase mob #22354 has this equipment and those shoulder pags , etc etc. Where in players ever peice of visual equipment has to be sent to all the computers in range (this is very easy however). PS the lag is video lag.
- War has show massive raid areas , but without people also. FYI (this is in reply to some post i forget which one tho)
"I am like Rod Tillman. "Show me the money." I have not seen it yet from Age of Conan." - Bingo same here man got burned by shadowbane , i was a bit fan boiesh , but no longer.
Ps i personally like the term coyboy.
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Originally posted by Jetrpg
- No they were max level and super powered up (to the point where 2 of them = like 24 regular players) Oh and npcs do not cause more lag, thats bs. For many different reason , 1 way signals (cuts bandwidth reqs. in half) Coding which allows mobs to move differnently than players , npcs don't all look differnet and there is no need to load and transmit or process what mobs are wearing ... becuase mob #22354 has this equipment and those shoulder pags , etc etc. Where in players ever peice of visual equipment has to be sent to all the computers in range (this is very easy however). PS the lag is video lag.
Point one both stipulated they were each controlling 100 characters each.
Point two I'd have to go with what they say and not your opinion, because your aren't coding for the game:
Considering the guys demoing at GC had to be giving short demos non-stop throughout the day, I think employing 100+ real people to sit there doing siege demos all day long would have been a bit difficult to coordinate.
I will note that from a server/netcode perspective, there really isn't any difference between players and NPCs. In fact, it's generally harder on the server to have that many NPCs, as they all have brains/scripts/AI to run, rather than players that do not.
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This isn't a cop out, nor a lie, nor misleading in anyway, they done what they stated they would do in the news article posted also here on this site before the event.
100 npcs doing nothing is not even close to 100 people running around attacking each other and casting spells.
No kidding! But unfortunately there was not even 100 computers at the convention, nor would anybody know how to play each class. It wouldn't have worked and what they did was for the best. Is it that hard to understand?
- No they were max level and super powered up (to the point where 2 of them = like 24 regular players) Oh and npcs do not cause more lag, thats bs. For many different reason , 1 way signals (cuts bandwidth reqs. in half) Coding which allows mobs to move differnently than players , npcs don't all look differnet and there is no need to load and transmit or process what mobs are wearing ... becuase mob #22354 has this equipment and those shoulder pags , etc etc. Where in players ever peice of visual equipment has to be sent to all the computers in range (this is very easy however). PS the lag is video lag.
Point one both stipulated they were each controlling 100 characters each.
Point two I'd have to go with what they say and not your opinion, because your aren't coding for the game:
Considering the guys demoing at GC had to be giving short demos non-stop throughout the day, I think employing 100+ real people to sit there doing siege demos all day long would have been a bit difficult to coordinate.
I will note that from a server/netcode perspective, there really isn't any difference between players and NPCs. In fact, it's generally harder on the server to have that many NPCs, as they all have brains/scripts/AI to run, rather than players that do not.
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This isn't a cop out, nor a lie, nor misleading in anyway, they done what they stated they would do in the news article posted also here on this site before the event.
Point 1 they weren't controlling 100 players each, they were controlling 1 character each and the drones were all controlled by prescripted events. And most were stationary.
Point 2 I'd have to go with his opinion being a programmer myself and because neither of us are willing to say bullshit to earn funcom money and hype (a dev is).
This is a cop out, a lie, and misleading in many ways. They twisted things around to hype interest and then released a dissipointing video. Can you point me to a post from a dev BEFORE the event saying explicitely "we are showing siege footage with only 2 live players and a bunch of bots, most of which don't move'. If not, then its clearly misleading because that is VITAL information. To leave out vital information is to be misleading. It is like people selling xbox360 boxes on the internet.. only its just the box, nothing inside. Sure the info clearly states box so its not 'lying'.. but its still misleading, no?
Point one both stipulated they were each controlling 100 characters each. Point two I'd have to go with what they say and not your opinion, because your aren't coding for the game:
This isn't a cop out, nor a lie, nor misleading in anyway, they done what they stated they would do in the news article posted also here on this site before the event.
AA you just proved yourself a coyboy (conan fanboy) If there was any doubt
One those were not 100 character they were 100 npcs (which each take far less resources than pcs) , They were not "controlling" them past using goto command. Those nps all looks very similar (ie they used the same npc over and over agian) This means less textures to cache. Your still wrong becuase i am not talkign about the video lag so much as the argument that someone said npcs CAUSE MORE lag which is untrue. However, the lag seen seemed to be video ... at least some of it.
Two Its not about opinion its about how programing and computers work. That can't turn your home pc into a quantam comptuer just becuase they feel like it with their client , There are just ways things work.
Oh PS cop-out, lie ? I don't care. I don't care all game dev.s lie , get use to it. (I should say misinform , often they mis-state things, say things they plan to do but end up not doing , etc. They all spin their games.)
PS other posters ty for the back-up we need to start being more realistic in our assesment of games (for the benefit of the games themselves). IE REPORT REAL ISSUES , be concerned about things that should be.
Addition- if they hosted a server , and a client on one single computer than yes that would have lagged it, However, i can't see this happening, it may have but still then that would not have been a REAL server code but modified code , which it may have been.
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Point one both stipulated they were each controlling 100 characters each. Point two I'd have to go with what they say and not your opinion, because your aren't coding for the game:
This isn't a cop out, nor a lie, nor misleading in anyway, they done what they stated they would do in the news article posted also here on this site before the event.
AA you just proved yourself a coyboy (conan fanboy) If there was any doubt
One those were not 100 character they were 100 npcs (which each take far less resources than pcs) , They were not "controlling" them past using goto command. Those nps all looks very similar (ie they used the same npc over and over agian) This means less textures to cache. Your still wrong becuase i am not talkign about the video lag so much as the argument that someone said npcs CAUSE MORE lag which is untrue. However, the lag seen seemed to be video ... at least some of it.
Two Its not about opinion its about how programing and computers work. That can't turn your home pc into a quantam comptuer just becuase they feel like it with their client , There are just ways things work.
Oh PS cop-out, lie ? I don't care. I don't care all game dev.s lie , get use to it. (I should say misinform , often they mis-state things, say things they plan to do but end up not doing , etc. They all spin their games.)
PS other posters ty for the back-up we need to start being more realistic in our assesment of games (for the benefit of the games themselves). IE REPORT REAL ISSUES , be concerned about things that should be.
Addition- if they hosted a server , and a client on one single computer than yes that would have lagged it, However, i can't see this happening, it may have but still then that would not have been a REAL server code but modified code , which it may have been.
The words Fanboy and hater are far too overused on these forums. It seems anytime somebody defends a game, they are a fanboy, anytime you say something against a game, you are a hater. They hold no weight anymore.
"Coyboy"
"WARboi"
"AoCboi"
"HAMMER heads"
"Conheads"
"WARtards"
Overdone so much. I respect users so much more when they can make a post without labeling somebody.
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I've grown fond of coneboi or conehead myself.
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Over 10 pages of responses you had 9 positive posts about WAR. Out of those 9, 5 also contained negative comments.
In contrast over the same 10 pages you had 20 negative posts about WAR. Out of those 20, 5 also contained positive comments.
While I did not take an accurate count on AoC posts... I only saw 5 - 6 responses that were negative in any way compared to several dozen positive posts on AoC.
Reading your threads I did get some insight into some of your hostility. It is very apparent you have a grudge against Mythic because of your time spent in DAoC. This has obviously carried over and even in one post you admit this. At the same time you talk up AO and funcom quite a bit and how innovative and complex you feel AO was. I think you need to take a look at these deep seeded biases before making any comments about being impartial. Anyone that reads your posts can see otherwise. This does not make you a bad person... on the contrary I no longer think you are a troll... I do however think you have such strong bias for both of these companies you can not be constructive in these forums.
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Over 10 pages of responses you had 9 positive posts about WAR. Out of those 9, 5 also contained negative comments.
In contrast over the same 10 pages you had 20 negative posts about WAR. Out of those 20, 5 also contained positive comments.
While I did not take an accurate count on AoC posts... I only saw 5 - 6 responses that were negative in any way compared to several dozen positive posts on AoC.
Reading your threads I did get some insight into some of your hostility. It is very apparent you have a grudge against Mythic because of your time spent in DAoC. This has obviously carried over and even in one post you admit this. At the same time you talk up AO and funcom quite a bit and how innovative and complex you feel AO was. I think you need to take a look at these deep seeded biases before making any comments about being impartial. Anyone that reads your posts can see otherwise. This does not make you a bad person... on the contrary I no longer think you are a troll... I do however think you have such strong bias for both of these companies you can not be constructive in these forums.
In his defense, I can vouche that he does most of his negative posting on the official forums and not here because he is more likely to get a developer to respond over there.
Check the website and you will see all the same hype about the game that is relevent to mythic's other games in an RvR environment. I have several press releases from the time and an E3 2005 brochure mentioning RvR for Imperator. When people (like anubisss - troll, just come back from ban? - oh dear.) start saying mythic have nothing to prove - they have EVERYTHING to prove to the market now that their seats are lined with EA stuffing.
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Point being what we were shown was a quick as possible demo that would take a couple of hours to do easy and we saw it in 7 minutes. Everything was sped up for the press. Yes its unfinished but you really have to be tapped in the head to think it would be finished all presently nicely for the show, 7 months to the day from launch.
2 people controlling 200 characters all tracking was stated at about 50% CPU usage - the Demo was exactly that a simulation - a quick glimpse.
Watch the mmorpg.com video and listen to the commentry.
You guys really need to learn the truth about what happened.
Imperator was put on indefinite hold because Mythic had just acquired the Warhammer license. They didn't have the resources of EA at that time, so Mark Jacobs decided to put Imperator on hold and spend all their resources not tied up in DAoC on WAR.
I'm unimpressed. After the AO fiasco, I won't be satisfied until I have seen siege combat with actual players in it. And no, NPCs do not create anywhere near the same kind of lag players do. A Player has mounds more data than an NPC ever will. That's why in most major cities in MMOs, when the city is almost empty there are few problems but as soon as it gets crowded problems show up in spades. Until I see the siege in action with players, not NPCs, I will continue to hold judgment on the game.
Be prepared for attacks and insults then. Your view of the siege combat will earn you great disdain from the more fanatical bunch. If you edit your post and say you loved what you saw.. they might leave you alone. Maybe.
Btw, nice word, Warboi, what does that make you? Aocboi? No that doesn't sound right... let's just call you Conan's boi
Lol Conan's boi, I like that one. But seriously, what did I say about WAR in that post? Did I flame WAR? Did I bash WAR? No.. I bashed Mythic, for not in all these years having an official forum and their only excuse being 'we really don't see the need.' I was there in the early days of DAoC, when they heavily posted on the VNboards, and how the players were constantly bitching and flaming them on those boards to the point where they left, completely disassociated themselves, and started having community updates on the Herald instead.
Personally, from my point of view, as a long time DAoC player, they got sick of the ranting (instead of fixing the reasons behind it,) so they left. And to this day they won't open an official forum. 'We just don't see the need' pffft. Thats BS, and they know it. Official forums are INTEGRAL for a MMOGs community, it brings them together, gives the community a place to discuss the game, likes and dislikes, and express, en mass, what they think needs changed or improved. Of course theres gonna be some flaming, trolling, just plain b*tching. That comes with the territory, especially with DAoC, considering Mythics fondness for the nerf-bat in that game lol. But to just shrug off such an important community tool because you don't want to hear it anymore, thats chicken shit. Sorry, it just is.
Oh and, any time you hear me put WAR in a negative light, it's generally in a discussion about something I am unhappy about. The direction of it's PvP for example. But at the same time, I make a good number of positive posts about the game as well. In this forum, I can get a little ah.. 'bashy' lol. But thats generally when war fanboi's have come out of the woodwork to bash a game needlessly. But I suppose, this website being the ass end of the MMOG community, I should know better.
Have you actually been to the fansites. They can be just as good as an official forum. They're helpful and informative and sometimes you see devs posting there. Plus there's the WAR herald, another great way to get info. So I don't see what the problem is. Official forums bring people together? Hardly, they tear people apart even more. You may not see it now since the games haven't launched yet but give it time. Not having an official forum does not at all make or break a game, in fact over half the population probably doesn't even post on them. You go there ask a question, it gets answered and your done, you start playing again. That's all it's good for. I don't blame them for not wanting to make one. Maybe they forsaw the future and imagined alot of the immature WoW kiddies coming over to WAR so they decided to hold off on the official forums, who knows.
This issue will not harm the game's success in any way. I just do not see how it possibly could. As long as they have fansites and Mythic listen's to customer complaints and suggestions it'll do great.
Btw, you do bash WAR, but in a sneaky way. You start your post with a thought, then you go to a complaint, and then sometimes you say something positive out of the blue, just to hide your negative comment. You look like your just trolling the forums all the time looking for something to say that will piss people off. If that was your goal, you succeeded, and you should stop now. After all, these are just games. Go debate on world issues...global warming for example, people might actually enjoy your complaints.
Btw, nice word, Warboi, what does that make you? Aocboi? No that doesn't sound right... let's just call you Conan's boi
Lol Conan's boi, I like that one. But seriously, what did I say about WAR in that post? Did I flame WAR? Did I bash WAR? No.. I bashed Mythic, for not in all these years having an official forum and their only excuse being 'we really don't see the need.' I was there in the early days of DAoC, when they heavily posted on the VNboards, and how the players were constantly bitching and flaming them on those boards to the point where they left, completely disassociated themselves, and started having community updates on the Herald instead.
Personally, from my point of view, as a long time DAoC player, they got sick of the ranting (instead of fixing the reasons behind it,) so they left. And to this day they won't open an official forum. 'We just don't see the need' pffft. Thats BS, and they know it. Official forums are INTEGRAL for a MMOGs community, it brings them together, gives the community a place to discuss the game, likes and dislikes, and express, en mass, what they think needs changed or improved. Of course theres gonna be some flaming, trolling, just plain b*tching. That comes with the territory, especially with DAoC, considering Mythics fondness for the nerf-bat in that game lol. But to just shrug off such an important community tool because you don't want to hear it anymore, thats chicken shit. Sorry, it just is.
Oh and, any time you hear me put WAR in a negative light, it's generally in a discussion about something I am unhappy about. The direction of it's PvP for example. But at the same time, I make a good number of positive posts about the game as well. In this forum, I can get a little ah.. 'bashy' lol. But thats generally when war fanboi's have come out of the woodwork to bash a game needlessly. But I suppose, this website being the ass end of the MMOG community, I should know better.
Have you actually been to the fansites. They can be just as good as an official forum. They're helpful and informative and sometimes you see devs posting there. Plus there's the WAR herald, another great way to get info. So I don't see what the problem is. Official forums bring people together? Hardly, they tear people apart even more. You may not see it now since the games haven't launched yet but give it time. Not having an official forum does not at all make or break a game, in fact over half the population probably doesn't even post on them. You go there ask a question, it gets answered and your done, you start playing again. That's all it's good for. I don't blame them for not wanting to make one. Maybe they forsaw the future and imagined alot of the immature WoW kiddies coming over to WAR so they decided to hold off on the official forums, who knows.
This issue will not harm the game's success in any way. I just do not see how it possibly could. As long as they have fansites and Mythic listen's to customer complaints and suggestions it'll do great.
Btw, you do bash WAR, but in a sneaky way. You start your post with a thought, then you go to a complaint, and then sometimes you say something positive out of the blue, just to hide your negative comment. You look like your just trolling the forums all the time looking for something to say that will piss people off. If that was your goal, you succeeded, and you should stop now. After all, these are just games. Go debate on world issues...global warming for example, people might actually enjoy your complaints.
It is true that some of the fansites are damn near as good as official ones for Warhammer Online. At the same time though the official forums allow us for the most part to get direct feedback from the developers and most of the ones at FunCom seem willing to join in on a current debate. With no official forums you have no direct route of getting feedback from a developer, just a hope they stop by unofficial forums. Like you said though, in the end, it will not truly have any impact on WARs success. If the game is fun, than the game is fun. End of story.
Funcom has a lot to prove to me that they deserve my money. And some video showing 200 NPCs in what is supposed to be a Siege battle with most of those NPCs just standing around doing a whole lot of nothing shows me nothing. How long have they had to prepare for Leipzig? And this was the best they could come up with? And Convention awards? They mean nothing to me. Some of my favorite games never won a single show award. Yet I play them because they are fun and engaging. As I said, until Funcom can actually prove they've cleaned up their act and can release a stable, playable, fun game I'll reserve my judgment of the game. It hasn't really looked good so far though.
Check the website and you will see all the same hype about the game that is relevent to mythic's other games in an RvR environment. I have several press releases from the time and an E3 2005 brochure mentioning RvR for Imperator. When people (like anubisss - troll, just come back from ban? - oh dear.) start saying mythic have nothing to prove - they have EVERYTHING to prove to the market now that their seats are lined with EA stuffing.
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Point being what we were shown was a quick as possible demo that would take a couple of hours to do easy and we saw it in 7 minutes. Everything was sped up for the press. Yes its unfinished but you really have to be tapped in the head to think it would be finished all presently nicely for the show, 7 months to the day from launch.
2 people controlling 200 characters all tracking was stated at about 50% CPU usage - the Demo was exactly that a simulation - a quick glimpse.
Watch the mmorpg.com video and listen to the commentry.
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http://www.imperatoronline.com/faq/
Is this game a PvE or PvP game?
Nothning RvR about it.
I totally changed my idea about conan, I mean I dont fucking care if the game isnt polished yet, these mass PVP battles is what MMO's should be about and alot better then the instanced crap WAR is showing imho.
Before this video I was a WAR supporter cause I had no alternative ( or atleast I thought I didnt ), now AOC will be my next mmorpg for sure.
Looks like AoC is DAoC2 and WAR is just a WoW clone
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That was terrible. So much for getting this game as a time filler till darkfall.
Sure the game needs some polishing obviously, and the animations aren't exactly cutting edge but other than that the game seems to be ok. In my opinion, it's better than what I've seen from WAR so far...thats for sure.
Guess it's gonna be AoC for my next MMO.
But you say....AOC will have castle sieging / epic battles!! I say yes they will, but not that often, I garuntee in a FFA pvp game..you will see it but once in a blue moon. Most of the pvp content in that game will be small battles or just straight up ganking. When you join AOC you really dont enter the game until level 20, I doubt you will be effective at pvp until your a late level as well.
In warhammer the day you walk into the world you are able to RVR, and you will be able to RVR every second of your existence if you want. Warhammer looks ( from videos ) like it will have some very cool PVE experiences as well, its important to have great pve content as well imho.
So here it is, if you want war all the time...everywhere you look ~ this game wins. If you want the FFA experience obviously AOC will deliver..
Also I have a strong intuition that AOC will be a laggy mofo in epic battles, hehe just my opinion though.
But you say....AOC will have castle sieging / epic battles!! I say yes they will, but not that often, I garuntee in a FFA pvp game..you will see it but once in a blue moon. Most of the pvp content in that game will be small battles or just straight up ganking. When you join AOC you really dont enter the game until level 20, I doubt you will be effective at pvp until your a late level as well.
In warhammer the day you walk into the world you are able to RVR, and you will be able to RVR every second of your existence if you want. Warhammer looks ( from videos ) like it will have some very cool PVE experiences as well, its important to have great pve content as well imho.
So here it is, if you want war all the time...everywhere you look ~ this game wins. If you want the FFA experience obviously AOC will deliver..
Also I have a strong intuition that AOC will be a laggy mofo in epic battles, hehe just my opinion though.
More Warhammer TROLL fodder ....
Ok, FIRST you need to get strait on Warhammer, because if you think you hit RVR from day one, you need to go read some reviews on some other gaming websites, because that VERY statement is the ONE thing that MOST people agree is FALSE. Warhammer has been chanting about its RvR from the moment you log in, the first time, but players seem to agree that its not really the case, and most of the time spend in the first few weeks are "Kill X number of boars" "Find X number of Logs" This isn't a warhammer Forum, if you want to boast about warhammer GOTO their forum..
You are right, BattleKEEP fights will not be every day, but they will DEFINITLY be weekely, But theres also TOWERS, and RESOURCE NODES worth fighting over, and THEY WILL BE FOUGHT over, because they are HUGE advantages of Capturing one of these ....
I could go on for days about the problems with Warhammer, but I won't because NOBODY HERE WANTS TO HEAR ABOUT WARHAMMER.
Link: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/140115/page/1
Did you post this ?
"Ok, FIRST you need to get strait on Warhammer, because if you think you hit RVR from day one, you need to go read some reviews on some other gaming websites, because that VERY statement is the ONE thing that MOST people agree is FALSE. Warhammer has been chanting about its RvR from the moment you log in, the first time, but players seem to agree that its not really the case, and most of the time spend in the first few weeks are "Kill X number of boars" "Find X number of Logs""
Link to those mysterious players that seem to agree that it's not really the case, and most of the time spend in the first few weeks are "kill x number of boars"
Aside from the fact that anyone who says that is breaking nda (seeing how only people who are in beta could know what people are doing after playing the game for more than 1 hour) Also, mind explaining what is there to stop people from doing rvr from the moment they log on? Obviously, you'd need to run to the pvp area (and you don't know where that is in the first 5 seconds of being loged on) and most people would probably pve some to get used to controlls and what not.
But, what's there to stop people from going into pvp area and rvr'ing there from day one? heck, people do that in daoc (yes, rvr from day one with their lvl 5 chars =p) and in war you even get gear from pvp, so it's even better in that regard than daoc. Also, combine this with 100+ newbies in the starting zone at release all of whom are trying to steal -your- mobs, why would you not go into rvr area and have some fun zerg vs zerg fights and get gold, exp and items while you at it?
So, take your own advice and get "strait" on Warhammer if you think you *don't* hit rvr from day one.
FE|Tachyon Battlekruse just pimp slapped you up side the head.
"I didn't see much action in that footage. Also many of the attacks were the same repetitive moves (i saw maybe 2 or 3 variations). I can understand that maybe those guys were low levels, or didnt know what they were doing. " - No they were max level and super powered up (to the point where 2 of them = like 24 regular players)
Ahh it was NPC not PC there , and yeah this was the system of massive pvp without the pvp or massive part just the structures and goals.
Oh and npcs do not cause more lag, thats bs. For many different reason , 1 way signals (cuts bandwidth reqs. in half) Coding which allows mobs to move differnently than players , npcs don't all look differnet and there is no need to load and transmit or process what mobs are wearing ... becuase mob #22354 has this equipment and those shoulder pags , etc etc. Where in players ever peice of visual equipment has to be sent to all the computers in range (this is very easy however). PS the lag is video lag.
- War has show massive raid areas , but without people also. FYI (this is in reply to some post i forget which one tho)
"I am like Rod Tillman. "Show me the money." I have not seen it yet from Age of Conan." - Bingo same here man got burned by shadowbane , i was a bit fan boiesh , but no longer.
Ps i personally like the term coyboy.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Point one both stipulated they were each controlling 100 characters each.
Point two I'd have to go with what they say and not your opinion, because your aren't coding for the game:
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I will note that from a server/netcode perspective, there really isn't any difference between players and NPCs. In fact, it's generally harder on the server to have that many NPCs, as they all have brains/scripts/AI to run, rather than players that do not.
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This isn't a cop out, nor a lie, nor misleading in anyway, they done what they stated they would do in the news article posted also here on this site before the event.
100 npcs doing nothing is not even close to 100 people running around attacking each other and casting spells.
No kidding! But unfortunately there was not even 100 computers at the convention, nor would anybody know how to play each class. It wouldn't have worked and what they did was for the best. Is it that hard to understand?
Point one both stipulated they were each controlling 100 characters each.
Point two I'd have to go with what they say and not your opinion, because your aren't coding for the game:
I will note that from a server/netcode perspective, there really isn't any difference between players and NPCs. In fact, it's generally harder on the server to have that many NPCs, as they all have brains/scripts/AI to run, rather than players that do not.
Balance Team Lead
This isn't a cop out, nor a lie, nor misleading in anyway, they done what they stated they would do in the news article posted also here on this site before the event.
Point 1 they weren't controlling 100 players each, they were controlling 1 character each and the drones were all controlled by prescripted events. And most were stationary.
Point 2 I'd have to go with his opinion being a programmer myself and because neither of us are willing to say bullshit to earn funcom money and hype (a dev is).
This is a cop out, a lie, and misleading in many ways. They twisted things around to hype interest and then released a dissipointing video. Can you point me to a post from a dev BEFORE the event saying explicitely "we are showing siege footage with only 2 live players and a bunch of bots, most of which don't move'. If not, then its clearly misleading because that is VITAL information. To leave out vital information is to be misleading. It is like people selling xbox360 boxes on the internet.. only its just the box, nothing inside. Sure the info clearly states box so its not 'lying'.. but its still misleading, no?
AA you just proved yourself a coyboy (conan fanboy) If there was any doubt
One those were not 100 character they were 100 npcs (which each take far less resources than pcs) , They were not "controlling" them past using goto command. Those nps all looks very similar (ie they used the same npc over and over agian) This means less textures to cache. Your still wrong becuase i am not talkign about the video lag so much as the argument that someone said npcs CAUSE MORE lag which is untrue. However, the lag seen seemed to be video ... at least some of it.
Two Its not about opinion its about how programing and computers work. That can't turn your home pc into a quantam comptuer just becuase they feel like it with their client , There are just ways things work.
Oh PS cop-out, lie ? I don't care. I don't care all game dev.s lie , get use to it. (I should say misinform , often they mis-state things, say things they plan to do but end up not doing , etc. They all spin their games.)
PS other posters ty for the back-up we need to start being more realistic in our assesment of games (for the benefit of the games themselves). IE REPORT REAL ISSUES , be concerned about things that should be.
Addition- if they hosted a server , and a client on one single computer than yes that would have lagged it, However, i can't see this happening, it may have but still then that would not have been a REAL server code but modified code , which it may have been.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
AA you just proved yourself a coyboy (conan fanboy) If there was any doubt
One those were not 100 character they were 100 npcs (which each take far less resources than pcs) , They were not "controlling" them past using goto command. Those nps all looks very similar (ie they used the same npc over and over agian) This means less textures to cache. Your still wrong becuase i am not talkign about the video lag so much as the argument that someone said npcs CAUSE MORE lag which is untrue. However, the lag seen seemed to be video ... at least some of it.
Two Its not about opinion its about how programing and computers work. That can't turn your home pc into a quantam comptuer just becuase they feel like it with their client , There are just ways things work.
Oh PS cop-out, lie ? I don't care. I don't care all game dev.s lie , get use to it. (I should say misinform , often they mis-state things, say things they plan to do but end up not doing , etc. They all spin their games.)
PS other posters ty for the back-up we need to start being more realistic in our assesment of games (for the benefit of the games themselves). IE REPORT REAL ISSUES , be concerned about things that should be.
Addition- if they hosted a server , and a client on one single computer than yes that would have lagged it, However, i can't see this happening, it may have but still then that would not have been a REAL server code but modified code , which it may have been.
The words Fanboy and hater are far too overused on these forums. It seems anytime somebody defends a game, they are a fanboy, anytime you say something against a game, you are a hater. They hold no weight anymore."Coyboy"
"WARboi"
"AoCboi"
"HAMMER heads"
"Conheads"
"WARtards"
Overdone so much. I respect users so much more when they can make a post without labeling somebody.