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umm pvp flaw?
neff
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in Tabula Rasa
So if i am in a pvp clan i am FFA pvp. What happends when a non pvp player heals me while i am fighting other pvp enabled people?
It seems to me they aren't going to flag the PvE player, that defeats the purpose of the system. So the only other thing i can think of PvP players can't interact w/ pve players? Or this exploit just stays in game.
Overt/Covert SWG problem all over again.
It seems to me they aren't going to flag the PvE player, that defeats the purpose of the system. So the only other thing i can think of PvP players can't interact w/ pve players? Or this exploit just stays in game.
Overt/Covert SWG problem all over again.
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That is actually a good question cause how I see it is either pve can't party with pvpers or those pvpers with a pve healer friend has a very unfair advantage. Ty for pointing that out I never thought of that.
Hmm anyway what kind of pvp this game has? I played beta a little and didn't get if this game has any kind of pvp.
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According to one of the developer presentations, they have consensual duels and clan wars. If a guild declares war on another guild, then it's a FFA for guild members for one week. Whichever guild gets the most kills wins the war. No idea what it means for a guild to win, though.
Since clan wars doesn't actually fit the storyline, the explanation was kinda interesting. Since medical technology is so advanced, death no longer means anything. So having soldiers fighting against other soldiers to the death is the best form of training.
As for the original question, I haven't heard any mention of how it's going to be handled, but you gotta have a little trust that the developers will eventually get it right..........maybe, heh.
This really annoys me. For the longest time they promoted this game as PvE only game. Then to make the whining crying 13 year olds that spend to much time getting their asses kicked in school happy, they add it some poorly designed after the fact PvP. For god sakes, NOT EVERY GAME NEEDS PVP.
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That's interesting, feels like GW Sci-Fi to me
I hope they will do things right.
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I find it annoying that carebears always accuse pvp fans of being "13 year olds that get beat up in school". Obviously, no one older would like hardcore pvp. Its not like older games had much more hardcore pvp than the games coming out now (sarcasm). Older gamers tended to grow up on MUDs which were generally open pk and full loot. You obviously suck at video games compared to other players and feel the need to try and portray those better than you as sucking in real life. How about this scenerio: I love ganking people in FFA games, i'll kill lower level players or those fighting mobs and i don't feel bad about it at all. In real life I am a lawyer, not some "whiney 13 year old". Every game that wants to be successful needs PVP, people are getting sick of PVE as it is static, linear, and easily "finished". I predicted Tabula Rasa would die a quick death because they didn't care about pvp, now that they are planning to have some pvp (albeit crappy pvp) this game with die a slower death.
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I find it annoying that carebears always accuse pvp fans of being "13 year olds that get beat up in school". Obviously, no one older would like hardcore pvp. Its not like older games had much more hardcore pvp than the games coming out now (sarcasm). Older gamers tended to grow up on MUDs which were generally open pk and full loot. You obviously suck at video games compared to other players and feel the need to try and portray those better than you as sucking in real life. How about this scenerio: I love ganking people in FFA games, i'll kill lower level players or those fighting mobs and i don't feel bad about it at all. In real life I am a lawyer, not some "whiney 13 year old". Every game that wants to be successful needs PVP, people are getting sick of PVE as it is static, linear, and easily "finished". I predicted Tabula Rasa would die a quick death because they didn't care about pvp, now that they are planning to have some pvp (albeit crappy pvp) this game with die a slower death.
Well, I get annoyed that when someone wants to play a good PvE game that they are considered a "Carebear with no brains or skills"
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I find it annoying that carebears always accuse pvp fans of being "13 year olds that get beat up in school". Obviously, no one older would like hardcore pvp. Its not like older games had much more hardcore pvp than the games coming out now (sarcasm). Older gamers tended to grow up on MUDs which were generally open pk and full loot. You obviously suck at video games compared to other players and feel the need to try and portray those better than you as sucking in real life. How about this scenerio: I love ganking people in FFA games, i'll kill lower level players or those fighting mobs and i don't feel bad about it at all. In real life I am a lawyer, not some "whiney 13 year old". Every game that wants to be successful needs PVP, people are getting sick of PVE as it is static, linear, and easily "finished". I predicted Tabula Rasa would die a quick death because they didn't care about pvp, now that they are planning to have some pvp (albeit crappy pvp) this game with die a slower death.
Well, I get annoyed that when someone wants to play a good PvE game that they are considered a "Carebear with no brains or skills"
/agreedFUNCOM - putting the FUN in disFUNctional !
I find it annoying that carebears always accuse pvp fans of being "13 year olds that get beat up in school". Obviously, no one older would like hardcore pvp. Its not like older games had much more hardcore pvp than the games coming out now (sarcasm). Older gamers tended to grow up on MUDs which were generally open pk and full loot. You obviously suck at video games compared to other players and feel the need to try and portray those better than you as sucking in real life. How about this scenerio: I love ganking people in FFA games, i'll kill lower level players or those fighting mobs and i don't feel bad about it at all. In real life I am a lawyer, not some "whiney 13 year old". Every game that wants to be successful needs PVP, people are getting sick of PVE as it is static, linear, and easily "finished". I predicted Tabula Rasa would die a quick death because they didn't care about pvp, now that they are planning to have some pvp (albeit crappy pvp) this game with die a slower death.
Well, I get annoyed that when someone wants to play a good PvE game that they are considered a "Carebear with no brains or skills"
If the term carebear means lack of pvp then you are insulted by being what you are? And you feel its ok to call people who like pvp rapists? Sounds like the kinda logic a 13 year old would use.
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down with pvp
i utterly hate pvpers
its not so much the actual pvping then the attitudes that these people just general have
i mean dont get me wrong i love playing first person shooters as well
but me and well probably most people that play these mmorpgs dont really play these games for the sake of competing with each other
its more about a nice relaxing game and maybe making a couple friends here and there and helping to make the community grow
i mean i dont mind pvpers in these types of games as long as its controled
because all those pvpers do is go around mauling people some not even having any intention on battling
which is really annoying when your training, cause then you gotta waste a bunch of time getting bak to the spot you were in
and then you see the attitude
always the same
It's not really fair to generalize to such a degree. I'm a casual gamer, but I love PvP. I just prefer to play against a human opponent. I do agree completely that PvP should be somewhat controlled. FFA open world PvP is alot of fun, but it can easily degenerate into a skill less gank fest that turns alot of players off and on games like SWG where people have dedicated crafter characters, it doesn't work. I personally don't see the attraction to ganking some newbie player. The system TR seems to be implementing is the sort I like. You join a PvP clan and you fight other PvP clans. It's fun and challenging and doesn't infringe on other peoples playstyle. I don't see how this system hurts the game as a whole as its entirely consentual.
I enjoy pvp aswell as pve, FFA pvp is actually my favorite when it's not a complete gank fest but even occasionally that can be fun. It's all about what people like, and generalising people like that based on what they like and saying you hate them because of that is total bs. What you just said is the reason I don't really care for the people that are all about pve and dont care for pvp because many have the same generalising attitude as you. I dont dislike people like you you because of the fact you don't like the same things I do, but because you have some of the worst attitudes towards pvp and the people that enjoy it.
Yes some people that do enjoy pvp can be very immature but that doesn't mean that they are 13 there are plenty of people in their 30s just as immature if not more immature than some 13 year olds. It seems to me by what you said that you are the immature one with the mentality of a 13 year old.
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My biggest deal when it comes to PVP is I like Good VS Evil PVP...like Horde VS Alliance, Aliens VS Humans, Undead VS Living and so on... FFA PVP is not my thing... I always find myself looking over my shoulder scared that someone I think is going to be nice is going to gank the crap out of me. At least with team based PVP you know who your friends and your enemies are.
I am incessantly annoyed by carebears who think that adding PvP to a game will kill it.
This never will be or has been the case.
PvP adds an extra dimension to gameplay that the PvE player doesn't have to engage in if he doesn't want.
Does adding crafting to a PvP game kill it?
Does adding raiding to a PvP kill it?
absolutely not. Raiding, crafting, and PvP aren't forced to do anything; they can do what they want when they want to.
That being said, the PvP in TR sucks and they need to add an arena and a FFA zone. Would adding those things ruin this game?
This game has allot of nice ideas in it with Ai and gameplay, cloning ect... but no serious PVP. That does it for me as far as playing this game.
I'm tired of the namecalling, and the superiority complex coming from some PvPers. Playing PvP doesnt make you better than anyone else, no matter how hard you try. Maybe better at PvP, but not better. Not playing PvP doesn't make people any less of a person. So give it a rest with the carebear crap. Once you start calling names its a kindergarten fight instead of a real discussion. Poeple play the games for different reasons. I remember playing console games way back when, vs the AI and vs my friends, and thinking, "it would be cool to play on the same team as my friends, for once." Now people can. and they shouldnt get sh*t on for it.
That said, If they make PvP consentual, then it should have absolutely no effect on those who don't participate. So dont worry about it. Like someone above said, crafting doesnt ruin a game.. its not manditory. If you dont want to PvP, you dont have to. open PvP is another story, but its not happening here, so you can just ignore anythign you hear about PvP for your entire TR experience.
One more thing. I think someone above said they weren't gonna play because of no open PvP. If you arent going to play, dont waste our time with your post. I dont run around telling everyone i can find about things im not going to do. I doubt most people do. so why do it here?
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oh yeah and OP, im sure they will make it so either you cant be healed at all, or you cant be healed by someone outside of your guild or party or whoever is involved in the PvP.. i dont think they make simple mistakes liek that anymore.. at least i hope not
If you would of actually read the thread you would see that the name calling didn't start with the "pvpers" it was actually a decent thread for about 3 posts until a "carebear" decided to go off on a name calling rampage against "pvpers" for absolutely no reason.
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im sorry, i didnt intend for the focus of my dislike of namecalling to be targeted at one group in particular, but towards everyone doing it. Ishould have put that in a separate sentence, but my grammar skills are not what they once were
If you would of actually read the thread you would see that the name calling didn't start with the "pvpers" it was actually a decent thread for about 3 posts until a "carebear" decided to go off on a name calling rampage against "pvpers" for absolutely no reason.
Perhaps you should re-read the posts. The name calling started with a PvP'er using the insult "carebear". So no, it wasnt a name calling rampage for no reason.
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PvP is self generating content. After the PvP system is in place no one needs to design new creatures or dungeons and what not.
That is why most games have it. Not because of kowtowing to some ultra-influential faceless mob of bloodthirsty teenie boopers. New PvE content takes time, money, and work to create. New PvP content often doesn't, making it very attractive to game designers.
Frankly, some element of PvP, even in mainly PvE games, has become the standard model for a successful MMO. Partly because PvP is cheap, potentially endless content, but also to attract as wide an audience as possible by appealing to as many play styles as possible.
We can debate the wisdom of this, but it is still the current reality.
Thats about 3 or 4 posts down for the OP, You in fact did start the name calling by generalizing all pvpers as whiney 13 years olds that get their asses kicked as school, Nice try.
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To the original question:
I would imagine this "flaw" has been taken care of (it isn't a new issue). In most of the games that I've played, an individual would be flagged for pvp if he casts a beneficial spell on someone currently engaged in pvp (in other words don't stick your nose into a fight unless you are prepared to deal with the consequences).