Originally posted by Gurkz Best pvp game... Lineage 2 its the only game on the market really that is made for large scale pvp. Castle sieges are insane with 500+ people at the sieges every weekend. The pk and open pvp system is also a lot of fun. If we are just talking pvp and nothing else then Lineage 2 is in a field of its on as far as pvp games go (Its what the game was made for). Best RvR game... DOAC by far still no game to match that RvR. Best FPS MMO... Planteside no explaination needed Best Instance pvp game... GW
P.S. Im sorry but EQ2? WoW? I understand vote for the game you are playing and all but come on lol...
PS Im sorry but Lineage 2? I understand vote for the game you are playing and all but come on lol...
For starters read the whole thread
Now onto lineage 2
adena farmers
grindfest
castle sieges every weekend....once every 7 days you get to zerg and be zerged??
movement
karma system
unorganized pvp
uhhhhhhhhhhh GAMEBREAKING
ps ps ps I wouldnt of knocked your game so bad if you hadnt took pot shots at WoW and EQ2
Lineage 2 its the only game on the market really that is made for large scale pvp. Castle sieges are insane with 500+ people at the sieges every weekend. The pk and open pvp system is also a lot of fun. If we are just talking pvp and nothing else then Lineage 2 is in a field of its on as far as pvp games go (Its what the game was made for).
Best RvR game...
DOAC by far still no game to match that RvR.
Best FPS MMO...
Planteside no explaination needed
Best Instance pvp game...
GW
P.S. Im sorry but EQ2? WoW? I understand vote for the game you are playing and all but come on lol...
PS Im sorry but Lineage 2? I understand vote for the game you are playing and all but come on lol...
For starters read the whole thread
Now onto lineage 2
adena farmers
grindfest
castle sieges every weekend....once every 7 days you get to zerg and be zerged??
movement
karma system
unorganized pvp
uhhhhhhhhhhh GAMEBREAKING
ps ps ps
I wouldnt of knocked your game so bad if you hadnt took pot shots at WoW and EQ2
Haha no worries man I understand but I dont play Lineage 2 anymore because of the grind fest. Im playing Bioshock right now and waiting on WAR tbh. Adena farmers what game doesnt have those? Zerg vs Zerg I guess if thats what you want to call large scale pvp? I understand that as well if you think WoW and EQ2 are good pvp games chances are the largest scale pvp you have seen is a 40 v 40 AV so no worries mate...
Read my first post all things aside L2 is the best pvp game. I can tell you have never played L2 if you think there is unorganized pvp if anything its to far organized for its own good. You need the right groups and right buffs, focus fire and in order to take a castle in L2 you better be damn organized or you will get smoked in the field.
If you want to talk about the "best" pvp game then all that goes into that IMO is pvp. I agree L2 has a horrible leveling system but that doesnt change the pvp that takes place. I can tell you I have never played a game that took more organization than the castle sieges in L2. Archer/Caster parties for O, melee for base D, dwarfs for siege weapons pushing the keep and holding your base camp. WoW or EQ2 doesnt even take 1/3 as much organization. Arenas would come the closest but I have been there and done that 2v2, 3v3, 5v5. EQ2 takes even less than WoW. I agree WoW and EQ2 had some fun pvp for a bit but there is nothing to them that every game doesnt already offer. To compair those games to pvp games though?
Yeah I know everyone likes what they like Oh and Im not playing anything at the moment either.
When I mentioned zerg with reference to L2...it just reminded me of some of the things that I didnt like about Shadowbane and I want pvp when I want pvp. I dont want to wait till the weekend for solid pvp.
I want to fight when I want to fight.
I want to grind when I want to grind.
But even WoWs pvp servers didnt bother me because although I might get ganked while I was trying to grind xp, there were still areas that I could go to to SOLELY PVP ie-battlegrounds.
Skill based PVP game (Whcih means knowing where to strike, when to strike, WHEN TO MANUALLY DODGE ATTACKS, what to debuff, what to buff, what to wear when to wear it and even when to run) asheron's call DARKTIDE. Most player involved game ATM all action.
To the 3 or 4 people crying out L2 .... While it is fairly inventive and people do do it...
IT TAKES LIKE 2 YEARS OF GRINDING TO GET THERE...
and so if the last 2 years of your life have been devoted getting a maxed out (or close) L2 character.. or you have a good $2,000to blow on a maxed character...then grats to you and your weekends of mass crazy pvp.
For the rest of us... thats not a realistic option
Oh and Im not playing anything at the moment either.
When I mentioned zerg with reference to L2...it just reminded me of some of the things that I didnt like about Shadowbane and I want pvp when I want pvp. I dont want to wait till the weekend for solid pvp.
I want to fight when I want to fight. I want to grind when I want to grind. But even WoWs pvp servers didnt bother me because although I might get ganked while I was trying to grind xp, there were still areas that I could go to to SOLELY PVP ie-battlegrounds.
Oh yeah for sure I agree with that as far as just pvp for the fun of pvp WoW and EQ2 did have a lot to offer. You could do it with out any real threat and that does have its draw to me. I just really desire that large scale pvp ever since L2 I have wanted it agian so hard to match and team play is such a large part of it. Really hope WAR brings it and looking foward to it because of Mythic.
Originally posted by Gurkz Originally posted by logangregor Yeah I know everyone likes what they like Oh and Im not playing anything at the moment either.When I mentioned zerg with reference to L2...it just reminded me of some of the things that I didnt like about Shadowbane and I want pvp when I want pvp. I dont want to wait till the weekend for solid pvp.I want to fight when I want to fight. I want to grind when I want to grind. But even WoWs pvp servers didnt bother me because although I might get ganked while I was trying to grind xp, there were still areas that I could go to to SOLELY PVP ie-battlegrounds.
Oh yeah for sure I agree with that as far as just pvp for the fun of pvp WoW and EQ2 did have a lot to offer. You could do it with out any real threat and that does have its draw to me. I just really desire that large scale pvp ever since L2 I have wanted it agian so hard to match and team play is such a large part of it. Really hope WAR brings it and looking foward to it because of Mythic.
Oh yea, it must definitely be DAoC, cause there is nothing better than roaming boringly around a map that's way too big, to fight battles you couldn't possibly lose (8v1, 8v2, 8v3) until you eventually fight a battle you cannot possibly win (24v8, 32v8, 40v8).
Nothing is more fun than unbalanced populations where one side has 300, the other has 230, and you have 75. Nothing is more fun than 30v20v10 realm battles and battlegrounds that are 99% of the time always owned by the same overpopulated realm.
Not to mention how friendly the elitist hardcore RR7 players are, *cough*. (Heavy sarcasm, they are NOT friendly, they are elitist.)
And don't forget about the fact that if you're not RR7 or RR10, you suck, and all the hardcore veterans are RR7-10, max CL, max template, max stats, max skills, max resists, tons of RA's to dump, and if not classic server, max master level, max artifact, max everything.
PUG's are crap, you are FORCED to guild, but no guild wants you because you aren't DET4 and have no CL or template, because you are a new player who isn't filthy rich in platinum.
Oh yea, it's definitely the best PvP....for the elite veterans who are already max everything, who also happen to belong to the overpopulated side.
In fact..it's 6pm, and I'm going to do something to show you how horrible DAoC's pvp really is. It's prime time, so I'll make a trial account and log in to the classic servers and give you a statistic of the populations of all battlegrounds and NF, on all three sides.
This will be PROOF of how much DAoC's RvR/PvP is worth about as much as a stray dog taking a crap behind a small bush in the middle of a forest no one cares about.
EDIT: Well, looks like since i have LoM installed, I can't use the trial. Dur dur. If anyone else wants to prove the populations are jacked, be my guest.
Great post and all but I think when people name games like DAOC and UO they mean in the "good ole days" type of deal but ok. So you seem pretty good at bashing games whats your opinion on best MMO pvp?
Ive played GW enough , its not my type , i dont like space mmo's like EVE and the pvp there is so fucking boring , i agree on ultima but cant find good server , also when u suggest game , explain why is good.
EDIT: About wow : im playing wow atm with ret paladin and u know why doesnt fit as best pvp game to me . . .
UO is still good I'l PM you with some suggestions lol
Really depends on whether or not you want structured PvP or open, dynamic PvP; WoW is a good example of structured PvP, out and about in the world, the game gives you set allies and enemies, you can't kill members of your own race/faction without a duel request. Rather, when you want to PvP, you go to battle grounds and such, its very structured but often lacks those spur of the moment fights. Almost always, PvP in the field is ganking, and random at best.
Lineage 2 on the other hand is open ended; You can kill anyone you want any time, but with consequence if they don't/can't fight back. This leads to the players forming their own guilds and alliances, and making their own friends and enemies. The actual fights in the world outside of sieges are much more meaningfull, not only because the players themselves make the politics, but because when you die, you lose exp, so if you defeat an enemy clan, they lose exp and you get an advantage, not just bragging rights.
The only problem is, lineage 2 has SEVER problems; I played it for quite along time, and the high level PvP is the best of any game, however, you realize that in the end, its not worth dealing with all the problems. As it is now, with the huge amount of botting, and the slowly dwindling populations on many of the servers, i strongly recommend against playing it right now, its just not worth all the time and effort grinding, putting up with bots and pking chinese when the game fell from its peak along time ago.
So it really comes down to, if you want a game with good PvP but PvP isn't the main idea behind it, go with WoW; Altho its pvp can be alot of fun, it never really means anything either, and its never been the main focus of the game. Otherwise if your looking for a completly open game based around PvP, your more or less out of luck if you don't like Eve. Lineage 2 is the closest thing you can get and right now, its just not very good. It was a really good game a few years ago, but the botters got out of control, ruined the games economy and people are gradually leaving now.
Lineage 2 might be the best open PvP game available, but thats not saying much since it has very little competition in that area. If you are an open PvP fan like i am, your just going to have to wait. No matter how much fun i had with lineage 2 at its peak, i can't tell you to buy it because it will be a waste of money. The rates never bothered me, but put them together with massive inflation from the farmers, and the farmers actually owning castles. Id even go as far as to say if you want to play l2 at all, your far better off on a private server; They have their own problems too, but atleast you arn't paying per month to a company that lets bots run rampant.
best pvp mmo I can think of right now is...... probably Eve. but does it mean it's very good? no..
one bad thing about most mmorpg is pvp is only fun when the game just release. Lineage 2 is like this, WoW is like this, Eve, Daoc, you name it. Yet one problem these games share is that as the games get older, the gap between new comers and veterns grow bigger and bigger. Therefore, in most of the games in order to catch up with the old players, one must play more than them. Now games that are better design and balance will not be too bad, but the gap will still be there
if you are asking what is a good pvp game out there that is the best, then you should look at what games are new released with a good pvp features (which I don't think any is out yet)
games like Lineage 2, WoW, DAoC, EvE, etc etc used to be fun in pvp, but how long you think you need to catch up with those who played for a few years?
if you don't mind playing a semi mmo (which doesn't hold as much people as a true mmorpg ), then Guild Wars is quite good due to its low level cap. Otherwise give EvE a shot, it still takes you quite long to catch up with others, but hey, as least it got a auto skill up system so you don't have to give up your live
GW: Great pvp but, it lacks of RP, its like a counterstrike... but with point and click. Anyway it still being the best mmorpg pvp of the actual market. The problem still being the hardcore or the "e-sport" guys, that forgets that this is only a game, and the community.
Cox: It gots a great pvp zones, where you can fight in teams, alone or do some misions of pve, get special powers(nukes...) etc... so, its great, perhaps, the best, where the "movement" counts a lot, where the skill of the player is really important and the zones auto balance in level the players.
The problem of this pvp is, first, the community, cox community is most focused on pve, but it got good raids to base etc... and the balance, the squishy toons are not very usfeul in single pvp...
Atm EVE online is the best pvp mmog,great risk vs reward system,no other mmog has this kind of pvp.No hopping around screaming and foaming at the mouth to kill some people than you die and respawn hapily with no loss at all but no or little reward.
Oh yea, it must definitely be DAoC, cause there is nothing better than roaming boringly around a map that's way too big, to fight battles you couldn't possibly lose (8v1, 8v2, 8v3) until you eventually fight a battle you cannot possibly win (24v8, 32v8, 40v8). Nothing is more fun than unbalanced populations where one side has 300, the other has 230, and you have 75. Nothing is more fun than 30v20v10 realm battles and battlegrounds that are 99% of the time always owned by the same overpopulated realm. Not to mention how friendly the elitist hardcore RR7 players are, *cough*. (Heavy sarcasm, they are NOT friendly, they are elitist.) And don't forget about the fact that if you're not RR7 or RR10, you suck, and all the hardcore veterans are RR7-10, max CL, max template, max stats, max skills, max resists, tons of RA's to dump, and if not classic server, max master level, max artifact, max everything. PUG's are crap, you are FORCED to guild, but no guild wants you because you aren't DET4 and have no CL or template, because you are a new player who isn't filthy rich in platinum. Oh yea, it's definitely the best PvP....for the elite veterans who are already max everything, who also happen to belong to the overpopulated side. In fact..it's 6pm, and I'm going to do something to show you how horrible DAoC's pvp really is. It's prime time, so I'll make a trial account and log in to the classic servers and give you a statistic of the populations of all battlegrounds and NF, on all three sides. This will be PROOF of how much DAoC's RvR/PvP is worth about as much as a stray dog taking a crap behind a small bush in the middle of a forest no one cares about. EDIT: Well, looks like since i have LoM installed, I can't use the trial. Dur dur. If anyone else wants to prove the populations are jacked, be my guest.
You could have just linked the camelot herald instead of trying to go through the trouble of loading a trial or challenging everyone to bring "proof".
It has current server pops right on it. The rest is all just your opinion based on your experiece.
To the 3 or 4 people crying out L2 .... While it is fairly inventive and people do do it... IT TAKES LIKE 2 YEARS OF GRINDING TO GET THERE... and so if the last 2 years of your life have been devoted getting a maxed out (or close) L2 character.. or you have a good $2,000to blow on a maxed character...then grats to you and your weekends of mass crazy pvp. For the rest of us... thats not a realistic option
If it takes you 2 years of getting to the pvp part of Lineage 2, you're seriously doing something wrong.
Well it really depends on the kind of pvp a person likes.
DAoC has the best pvp for siege warfare and capturing world objectives (relics & keeps). If you steal an enemy's relic you just gave everyone of your realm where ever they are a perma buff. With battlegrounds at every level, players can start off right away practicing their pvp. Rogue types scaling walls to take out archers, people manning catapults to knock down walls so the tanks can rush in. Hella good fun.
For meaningless-as-a-whole, but sheer fun pvp I enjoy CoX. The pvp zones make everyone the same effective combat level, so none of the 60's ganking the 51's in AV as happens in WoW. Each zone has repeatable missions and zone-specific missions depending on how involved you want to get into the pvp. Is it balanced? No, not really my stalker can 1 shot anyone cept an Invulnerabilty tanker or Kheldian in dwarf form. In turn my stalker then gets 1-shotted by the sniper Blaster he didn't see. It is fun and something I can jump in to for a quick pvp fix.
Guild Wars is quite good too. I just found CoX pvp to be a bit more fun and DAoC pvp to be a bit more meaningful.
To the 3 or 4 people crying out L2 .... While it is fairly inventive and people do do it... IT TAKES LIKE 2 YEARS OF GRINDING TO GET THERE... and so if the last 2 years of your life have been devoted getting a maxed out (or close) L2 character.. or you have a good $2,000to blow on a maxed character...then grats to you and your weekends of mass crazy pvp. For the rest of us... thats not a realistic option
If it takes you 2 years of getting to the pvp part of Lineage 2, you're seriously doing something wrong.
/agree
6 months tops to get to level 61 then you're prime for the high end mass PvP. That is unless your a total anti-social malcontent, then it will take you a lot longer.
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PS Im sorry but Lineage 2? I understand vote for the game you are playing and all but come on lol...
For starters read the whole thread
Now onto lineage 2
adena farmers
grindfest
castle sieges every weekend....once every 7 days you get to zerg and be zerged??
movement
karma system
unorganized pvp
uhhhhhhhhhhh GAMEBREAKING
ps ps ps
I wouldnt of knocked your game so bad if you hadnt took pot shots at WoW and EQ2
PS Im sorry but Lineage 2? I understand vote for the game you are playing and all but come on lol...
For starters read the whole thread
Now onto lineage 2
adena farmers
grindfest
castle sieges every weekend....once every 7 days you get to zerg and be zerged??
movement
karma system
unorganized pvp
uhhhhhhhhhhh GAMEBREAKING
ps ps ps
I wouldnt of knocked your game so bad if you hadnt took pot shots at WoW and EQ2
Haha no worries man I understand but I dont play Lineage 2 anymore because of the grind fest. Im playing Bioshock right now and waiting on WAR tbh. Adena farmers what game doesnt have those? Zerg vs Zerg I guess if thats what you want to call large scale pvp? I understand that as well if you think WoW and EQ2 are good pvp games chances are the largest scale pvp you have seen is a 40 v 40 AV so no worries mate...
Read my first post all things aside L2 is the best pvp game. I can tell you have never played L2 if you think there is unorganized pvp if anything its to far organized for its own good. You need the right groups and right buffs, focus fire and in order to take a castle in L2 you better be damn organized or you will get smoked in the field.
If you want to talk about the "best" pvp game then all that goes into that IMO is pvp. I agree L2 has a horrible leveling system but that doesnt change the pvp that takes place. I can tell you I have never played a game that took more organization than the castle sieges in L2. Archer/Caster parties for O, melee for base D, dwarfs for siege weapons pushing the keep and holding your base camp. WoW or EQ2 doesnt even take 1/3 as much organization. Arenas would come the closest but I have been there and done that 2v2, 3v3, 5v5. EQ2 takes even less than WoW. I agree WoW and EQ2 had some fun pvp for a bit but there is nothing to them that every game doesnt already offer. To compair those games to pvp games though?
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Yeah I know everyone likes what they like
Oh and Im not playing anything at the moment either.
When I mentioned zerg with reference to L2...it just reminded me of some of the things that I didnt like about Shadowbane and I want pvp when I want pvp. I dont want to wait till the weekend for solid pvp.
I want to fight when I want to fight.
I want to grind when I want to grind.
But even WoWs pvp servers didnt bother me because although I might get ganked while I was trying to grind xp, there were still areas that I could go to to SOLELY PVP ie-battlegrounds.
Skill based PVP game (Whcih means knowing where to strike, when to strike, WHEN TO MANUALLY DODGE ATTACKS, what to debuff, what to buff, what to wear when to wear it and even when to run) asheron's call DARKTIDE. Most player involved game ATM all action.
To the 3 or 4 people crying out L2 .... While it is fairly inventive and people do do it...
IT TAKES LIKE 2 YEARS OF GRINDING TO GET THERE...
and so if the last 2 years of your life have been devoted getting a maxed out (or close) L2 character.. or you have a good $2,000to blow on a maxed character...then grats to you and your weekends of mass crazy pvp.
For the rest of us... thats not a realistic option
Oh yeah for sure I agree with that as far as just pvp for the fun of pvp WoW and EQ2 did have a lot to offer. You could do it with out any real threat and that does have its draw to me. I just really desire that large scale pvp ever since L2 I have wanted it agian so hard to match and team play is such a large part of it. Really hope WAR brings it and looking foward to it because of Mythic.
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"Best" is a bit tricky. Just some suggestions (not very thought through) to illustrate:
Most varied: WoW (some outdoor, Arenas, Battlegrounds)
Most meaningful: EVE
Quickest to get into the fray: GW
lol Im changing my vote from WoW/DAOC to WAR :P
Oh yea, it must definitely be DAoC, cause there is nothing better than roaming boringly around a map that's way too big, to fight battles you couldn't possibly lose (8v1, 8v2, 8v3) until you eventually fight a battle you cannot possibly win (24v8, 32v8, 40v8).
Nothing is more fun than unbalanced populations where one side has 300, the other has 230, and you have 75. Nothing is more fun than 30v20v10 realm battles and battlegrounds that are 99% of the time always owned by the same overpopulated realm.
Not to mention how friendly the elitist hardcore RR7 players are, *cough*. (Heavy sarcasm, they are NOT friendly, they are elitist.)
And don't forget about the fact that if you're not RR7 or RR10, you suck, and all the hardcore veterans are RR7-10, max CL, max template, max stats, max skills, max resists, tons of RA's to dump, and if not classic server, max master level, max artifact, max everything.
PUG's are crap, you are FORCED to guild, but no guild wants you because you aren't DET4 and have no CL or template, because you are a new player who isn't filthy rich in platinum.
Oh yea, it's definitely the best PvP....for the elite veterans who are already max everything, who also happen to belong to the overpopulated side.
In fact..it's 6pm, and I'm going to do something to show you how horrible DAoC's pvp really is. It's prime time, so I'll make a trial account and log in to the classic servers and give you a statistic of the populations of all battlegrounds and NF, on all three sides.
This will be PROOF of how much DAoC's RvR/PvP is worth about as much as a stray dog taking a crap behind a small bush in the middle of a forest no one cares about.
EDIT: Well, looks like since i have LoM installed, I can't use the trial. Dur dur. If anyone else wants to prove the populations are jacked, be my guest.
Great post and all but I think when people name games like DAOC and UO they mean in the "good ole days" type of deal but ok. So you seem pretty good at bashing games whats your opinion on best MMO pvp?
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UO is still good I'l PM you with some suggestions lol
Really depends on whether or not you want structured PvP or open, dynamic PvP; WoW is a good example of structured PvP, out and about in the world, the game gives you set allies and enemies, you can't kill members of your own race/faction without a duel request. Rather, when you want to PvP, you go to battle grounds and such, its very structured but often lacks those spur of the moment fights. Almost always, PvP in the field is ganking, and random at best.
Lineage 2 on the other hand is open ended; You can kill anyone you want any time, but with consequence if they don't/can't fight back. This leads to the players forming their own guilds and alliances, and making their own friends and enemies. The actual fights in the world outside of sieges are much more meaningfull, not only because the players themselves make the politics, but because when you die, you lose exp, so if you defeat an enemy clan, they lose exp and you get an advantage, not just bragging rights.
The only problem is, lineage 2 has SEVER problems; I played it for quite along time, and the high level PvP is the best of any game, however, you realize that in the end, its not worth dealing with all the problems. As it is now, with the huge amount of botting, and the slowly dwindling populations on many of the servers, i strongly recommend against playing it right now, its just not worth all the time and effort grinding, putting up with bots and pking chinese when the game fell from its peak along time ago.
So it really comes down to, if you want a game with good PvP but PvP isn't the main idea behind it, go with WoW; Altho its pvp can be alot of fun, it never really means anything either, and its never been the main focus of the game. Otherwise if your looking for a completly open game based around PvP, your more or less out of luck if you don't like Eve. Lineage 2 is the closest thing you can get and right now, its just not very good. It was a really good game a few years ago, but the botters got out of control, ruined the games economy and people are gradually leaving now.
Lineage 2 might be the best open PvP game available, but thats not saying much since it has very little competition in that area. If you are an open PvP fan like i am, your just going to have to wait. No matter how much fun i had with lineage 2 at its peak, i can't tell you to buy it because it will be a waste of money. The rates never bothered me, but put them together with massive inflation from the farmers, and the farmers actually owning castles. Id even go as far as to say if you want to play l2 at all, your far better off on a private server; They have their own problems too, but atleast you arn't paying per month to a company that lets bots run rampant.
Planetside for me gives you the PvP rush in a way no other MMO does.
EQ2 has the best mechanics (exluding zoning) and ruleset for rpg PvP and is fundamentally fun on a PvP server
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best pvp mmo I can think of right now is...... probably Eve. but does it mean it's very good? no..
one bad thing about most mmorpg is pvp is only fun when the game just release. Lineage 2 is like this, WoW is like this, Eve, Daoc, you name it. Yet one problem these games share is that as the games get older, the gap between new comers and veterns grow bigger and bigger. Therefore, in most of the games in order to catch up with the old players, one must play more than them. Now games that are better design and balance will not be too bad, but the gap will still be there
if you are asking what is a good pvp game out there that is the best, then you should look at what games are new released with a good pvp features (which I don't think any is out yet)
games like Lineage 2, WoW, DAoC, EvE, etc etc used to be fun in pvp, but how long you think you need to catch up with those who played for a few years?
if you don't mind playing a semi mmo (which doesn't hold as much people as a true mmorpg ), then Guild Wars is quite good due to its low level cap. Otherwise give EvE a shot, it still takes you quite long to catch up with others, but hey, as least it got a auto skill up system so you don't have to give up your live
GW: Great pvp but, it lacks of RP, its like a counterstrike... but with point and click. Anyway it still being the best mmorpg pvp of the actual market. The problem still being the hardcore or the "e-sport" guys, that forgets that this is only a game, and the community.
Cox: It gots a great pvp zones, where you can fight in teams, alone or do some misions of pve, get special powers(nukes...) etc... so, its great, perhaps, the best, where the "movement" counts a lot, where the skill of the player is really important and the zones auto balance in level the players.
The problem of this pvp is, first, the community, cox community is most focused on pve, but it got good raids to base etc... and the balance, the squishy toons are not very usfeul in single pvp...
Atm EVE online is the best pvp mmog,great risk vs reward system,no other mmog has this kind of pvp.No hopping around screaming and foaming at the mouth to kill some people than you die and respawn hapily with no loss at all but no or little reward.
You could have just linked the camelot herald instead of trying to go through the trouble of loading a trial or challenging everyone to bring "proof".
It has current server pops right on it.
The rest is all just your opinion based on your experiece.
http://www.camelotherald.com/index.shtml
From what I've played?
Eve Online for Strategy PVP
Shadowbane for War PVP (Faster paced than EVE but similar concept of taking over cities)
Sadly, they are both point and clickers. But still very enjoyable.
The Bonus is that Shadowbane is F2P
If it takes you 2 years of getting to the pvp part of Lineage 2, you're seriously doing something wrong.
Well it really depends on the kind of pvp a person likes.
DAoC has the best pvp for siege warfare and capturing world objectives (relics & keeps). If you steal an enemy's relic you just gave everyone of your realm where ever they are a perma buff. With battlegrounds at every level, players can start off right away practicing their pvp. Rogue types scaling walls to take out archers, people manning catapults to knock down walls so the tanks can rush in. Hella good fun.
For meaningless-as-a-whole, but sheer fun pvp I enjoy CoX. The pvp zones make everyone the same effective combat level, so none of the 60's ganking the 51's in AV as happens in WoW. Each zone has repeatable missions and zone-specific missions depending on how involved you want to get into the pvp. Is it balanced? No, not really my stalker can 1 shot anyone cept an Invulnerabilty tanker or Kheldian in dwarf form. In turn my stalker then gets 1-shotted by the sniper Blaster he didn't see. It is fun and something I can jump in to for a quick pvp fix.
Guild Wars is quite good too. I just found CoX pvp to be a bit more fun and DAoC pvp to be a bit more meaningful.
EVE, DAoC, L2 mabey, Planetside......
You could also just wait for WAR or AoC to come out.
If it takes you 2 years of getting to the pvp part of Lineage 2, you're seriously doing something wrong.
/agree6 months tops to get to level 61 then you're prime for the high end mass PvP. That is unless your a total anti-social malcontent, then it will take you a lot longer.
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I predict it will be the same responses as every other thread like this before.
looks up.
yep im right, mmos are so stale we're reduced to talking about the same bloody games over and over again ;/
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EVE Online, Ultima Online and Dark Age of Camelot. Anyone who says WoW has probably never tried one of these.