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Hunters Good or Bad????
Wolfs-Rain
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OK there have been a ton of theories about the hunter, but what about the peoples choice,do u think if u had a chance to be a hunter would u take it????
For 1 I think I would be a hunter, i mean come on who could resist the feeling of you and ur wolf or cougar moving in on ur pray to me that would be priceless.But thats just my 2 cents what ur oppinion???
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I am taking a pass on the hunter for several reasons. One, there will be too many of them. Two, I want to play human. Three, You HAVE to have a pet. Blizzard has stated that a hunter without a pet is like a warrior without a weapon. Four, I think I will have a lot more fun playing my priest. I have heard a lot of good things about it and am totaly stoked. Five, if I wanted to play a 'pet class' I would play warlock because you have more than one pet. It seems like it could be really annoying having to level up a pet to your level every time you tame a new pet.
Just my thoughts.
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See Dracius' post
Yeah it will probably in beta be overplayed and unbalanced but I think by WoW's release it will be balanced (hopefully
Yes I too think that, I also think Hunter will be overpowered in the begining. A few reason are because not only will you be attacking the enemy, your pet will also be attacking the enemy. Thats like 2X the damage! But i think that Blizzard will make the pets close to powerless when it comes to attack( my opinion) i think they will still be able to hold their ground, but they wont be like having 2 chars at once.
If i was a hunter though i would be a night elf, with a lepard, or wolf. I like the quick rogue like animals. I think the ideal pet would be a raptor or spider though.
I guess i would change my mind about pets, i would go with a spider or predatory bird
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Spiders can poison, and i think birds such as hawks can disarm. Thats along with their regular physical attacks.
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Yea i think bliz will make pets pretty weak since you already have your char and a pet fighting one person. Well that just wouldnt be fair if they(pet and master) could just kill a tauren warrior for example easily when the tauren is the one who is really meant to be in 1 0n 1 fights(my opinion) .
So yea pets will prbably be relatively weak.
i think the hunters will or could be the best acording to what pet they have and how good or what techniques it knows.
N E 1 else have some mounts that i forgot????????
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Again I agree with you, I dislike guns on WOW but I guess if it makes some people happy im all for it. And why no human hunters!?!?!?!?!? Thats crazy, I dont think i have ever seen a mountain man eat one greens and berries. They always have a turkey leg in their hand
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I am guessing that hunter will be the most popular class, followed by warrior.
Neither of which i will be starting before my rogue and palladin.
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yea i think i'd want to try hunter out 2, and i bet evrybody wants 2 be it because what other game do ya get 2 have a pet that attacks???
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off-topic but how do u change ur color of ur font????
Yeah why cant humans be hunters? i mean the horde has 3 races that can be hunters (Orc troll and tauran) only dwarfs and NE for the alliance! What gives!!!!
But anyways as for having guns in the game its pretty much a must... but I think that they should only have dwarf hunters be able to use guns (dunno if this is the way it is already) cuz having an orc weilding a gun.... doesnt seem natural lol!
Only thing thats gonna piss me off is all the bow weilding NE hunters shooting up the place. My last game was lineage 2 and OMG talk about an archer fest lol.
All this talk about being a NE hunter or a hunter in general has got me interested in the class even though I dont even know how good it will be ROFL....
God I wanna play WoW >_<
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"Those who brake the ninja code and rules of this world are called trash. But you know what? Those who don't take care of their comrades are even lower than trash." - Hatake Kakashi
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"Those who brake the ninja code and rules of this world are called trash. But you know what? Those who don't take care of their comrades are even lower than trash." - Hatake Kakashi
If you post it, I will come
Vakktn also made a post with which I agree with.
"I just hope hunters arent overpowered like CH were in SWG cuz if they are expect to see a HUGE bandwagon of people going to play hunter even if they had no intrest in playing that class... especially on the FvF servers cuz people on the FvF servers will do anything to get an edge in combat"
First off, Jubbincake makes a very good point. I want to address the issues he brought up first.
There's a trend with mmorpg's, where if a lot of people play it, the devs figure it's over powered (otherwise why would so many people choose the class?) So to detour people from playing that class, they'll gimp it. Vakk and Jubb are aware of this too. The CH in SWG is a VERY good example, infact I got to suffer the nerf bat on that one as well. Played it because I wanted a pet class in an mmo where you can TAME your pet. However it was highly over played, too poweful, and got hit by the nerf bat hard. DAOC Rangers, though not a pet class, they were Hibs "Archer" class. Started out highly powerful, a LOT of people played them, I played one because I've always RPed a ranger. However, they got nerfed hard. In all those examples, people quit playing those classes and give up, like Vakk said, a lot of people will just play it because it's the most powerful class.
Now keep in mind however, all this is just ASSUMING the hunter is some extremely powerful class, which I think blizzard is trying very hard to avoid. The odds of a pet-archer class being too powerful for FvF are pretty slim with blizz in control. Typicaly mages become the sought after power gamer class, they can pretty much out damage any other class, and as a result will get more kills than anyone in PvP, and thus get more PvP rewards from those kills. I expect to see a lot of people start off with the hunter because it's the "archer" class and believe that it will outdo all other classes at PvP. Though there will probably be some hard time XPing, you'll have to work with your pet the same way the Warlock does, there's some skill involved there. Another thing I should mention, though I'm devating some what and I know I'm not staying on track very well, just tossing out thoughts as I remember them, but Kat posted the % ratio of how many of each class there were on the test server. There are currently more warriors than any other class, and warlocks (the only pet class atm) are right down the middle, with Shamans being the least played, and Rogues being the 2nd most popular. So back to what I was saying, IF the hunter is extremely powerful it'll get nerfed HARD, no doubt making even some of the people who play it because they like the class, and not because they want to be 'uber', stop playing it. However, over time it'll be slowely un-nerfed, as rangers in DAOC were. I don't like talking about my chars in other games because I never want to seem like I'm boasting, but this is the best example I can think of. I took a ranger to cap level, and reached RR5L5 (14th highest RP holding ranger to give you an idea how long that takes to get) then at that point, I could do things that other classes only dreamed about, and EVERYONE thought rangers were gimped, but that's because so many people stopped playing them, I however didn't give up on mine, and was able to prove that they were a good class, IF you knew how to play it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I'm the best "ranger" in the world, just that there's a cycle to how things go in mmorpg's, "overpowered-gimped-slowely beefed back up". The only reason I say all that however, is to show why I'm not worried about how powerful or not powerful the hunter is. It's going to fluxuate, and those that play the class because they love the class and not because they want to be l33t, are most likely the people who will do the best and get the farthest with the class.
Now I should say that I hope everyone hates the hunter, that would be awesome, the less people like it the better, the more unique I'll be by playing it.
The ONE thing I don't like about the hunter atm, is the vast amount of interest people are showing in it. I'm not sure if that just means I have 'good' taste because I like what's obviously popular, but I also wish I had more 'unique' taste. IE I played Yugo as my primary char in Bloody Roar 3 (he morphs into the wolf), and infact anything related to wolves I usualy choose, Hunters can tame wolves, and thus that's one of the main draws for me. Sometimes I wish my fav animal was a sloth... I'm not about to change what I've waited oh so long for because it's "popular" I'm just going to hope people lose interest in it. I don't ever wanna hear "sorry, we already have 2 hunters in our group" that would just ruin my day. In other games where you COULD tame wolves, or get them as pets, they were never the BEST pet. So you're faced with "use what you love" or "use what will win". It's hard to choose the flaming sword of death when you find out there's a pink pixy wand that has 5X's better damage. Sure the sword looks cool, but in a fight that god damn pink pixy wand will always kick your ass, so you're faced with either using it, or not using it and dying. That design flaw has effected pets in every other mmorpg I've played. SWG is a good example. Let's list what it had that I liked, you could tame the pet, you could keep the pet and level it. All pro's that promote "bonding" with the creature. HOWEVER if you wanted to actualy win, you'd use Rancors. UO, you could tame your pets, level them, and bond with them, HOWEVER if you wanted the BEST pet, you needed a dragon. Now pay attention to this next part, because this is the main draw for me towards hunters in WoW. You have to actualy go out and find the pet and tame it (JUST like UO and unlike DAOC-SB where you just "summon" your pet). Which adds a very large aspect to me, you feel more like it's an actual creature other than just a summon spell that wears off and is gone until re-cast. Then there's the ability to keep that exact same pet with you forever. The only way you could ever lose a pet for good, is if you dismiss it so you can tame another pet instead. Hunters can only have 1 pet owned at a time (mounts don't count as pets), so there's that aspect that you really have to like your pet to wanna keep it, not just have "hmm I think I'll use grizzley bear #3 for this situation". You pick a pet, and train it in powers that compliment your play style. Which is the next thing I like, your pet can level, and not only can it level, but it can level to a point that it'll be as good as anything you'll be able to tame at cap level. Imagine taming that lvl 1 crab near your starter city keeping it with you forever, and when you reach cap level you've got yourself the highest possible level crab that can exist and be tamed by a player in the game (BTW pets grow biggers as their level increases, that'd be one big crab), and you run into someone who just recently tamed something like a baby dragon welp or something and your crab is totaly kicking the shit outa that dragon, because you've gotten it to a higher level and it has more powers. Or say the dragon was cap level too, and with lots of powers, at least your crab could hold it's own, otherwise EVERYONE who was ANYONE would just tame the dragon welps. This to me means, I can finaly tame a wolf, name it, keep it and travel with it forever and never have to think "hmm... My character would be a lot better if I tamed this creature instead". So that's what the hunter class is to me, choice.
While on that note, I should bring up some mis-conceptions I'm noticing. First off, Taurens-Dwarves use guns, Nelves-Trolls use Bows, I can't remember what orcs use. HOWEVER listen to this part, a Tauren for example COULD train in the bow, but he won't get any powers-features to enhance it. He'll be able to use it and raise the bow skill, but will never recieve any of the powers-traits that he gets from the talent system. Now if he used a gun instead, he would have all those talents powering it up. So even though you have the CHOICE to use other ranged weapons, what one you use will be determined by your race, because you're not going to want to gimp yourself by removing the talent benefits from your character pallet. Now whether or not you use a ranged weapon is just about as much up to debate as whether or not you use a pet. In a game like DAOC, if you played as a ranger, you could chose to never train in the bow, you could train your melee instead, but WHY? If you're going to play a ranged weapon class, USE the ranged weapon, USE the skills and weapons that the class is superb at. You can either be the best archer out of all the classes, or you can be an 'okay' swordsman with a pet. Which will never be as good as a "GREAT" archer with a pet. Okay so that being said, a ranged weapon will be your 'primary' weapon. Hunters are not worthless up close however, though they are the ranged melee class in the game, Blizz has stated that they won't be totaly powerless up close, all hunters will have the natual ability to dual wield, however you can train in just about any other weapon type if you don't want to dual wield, pretty sure you can use a weapon like a 2h axe if you wanted. However this is one area that I can't give all the details on, because that right there is something that blizz is reworking atm. I was never able to find out exactly what weapons they can train in, since each class has some restrictions, but as a general rule, you can use most everything, as an example mages can use swords if they want, even daggers. Though keep in mind, each class will have talents that may make choosing some weapons over others more likely.
Now this is just me thinking out loud here, and this isn't for sure, but say Hunters got talents that made dual wielding weapons do more damage, but had no talents to make 2H axes do more damage, then it'd be obvious if you wanted the most out of your class, you'd choose to dual wield.
Now that I've said all that, everyone is probably wondering where I've learned that. Well 7 months of reading 3+ hours of WoW FAQ's, reviews, and forums every night will do that to ya. I'm sorry that I can't post the links from where I got that info, and for some reason the info on hunters has become really hard to find ever since beta started. The reason for that is, hunters WERE in the alpha, and everytime Blizz put out info on the classes, they talked about ALL the classes INCLUDING Hunters, once the game went into beta however, the hunters were removed from the game to be reworked and now everytime they release class info, they don't mention anything about the hunter. Though I'm sure when the class is ready they'll release EVERYTHING you need to know and there'll be a flood of info on it. Some of what I've said about them may even change drasticaly, however since I've yet to find information telling me otherwise, what I've stated so far on hunters is the most recent info I can gather on them. Odds are they won't be changed by much, but there's the info regardless. I'm also very sorry I couldn't find that thread that listed all the tamable creatures so far in the game. If you're curious whether or not a certain creature can be tamed, feel free to ask and I'll let you know. I can't remember the entire list, but it is on sites like warcry in the creature data base, it says whether it's tamable or not.
I think that's about everything? If I left anything out, or you're still wondering something, just ask and I'll let you know if I can fill you in on it or not
Hope it doesn't take you as long to read this as it took me to write it.
(and proof read LoL)
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jebus why do u right so much, jk but i think they should limit the # of hunters they put out maybe like every 1 out of 5 could be a hunter,but thats just my idea.
thx vakktn
I'm wondering how a hunter will be different from a warlock with a demonic pet. You won't be as fragile? Your pet will be lamer? It will be easier to find trainers? your focus is animals and not demons?
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Okay, so the difference between hunter pets and warlock pets are pretty simple. Well let's go through the entire class difference.
The warlock is an offensive spell caster, with a pet.
The hunter is a ranged melee class, with a pet.
The warlock can't name their pet, however they get multiple pets, but only ONE per type. IE the voidwalker was mentioned, when you learn the spell for void walker, you get that ONE void walker, if it dies, you have to wait to summon it back, and when you do summon it back it'll say things like "try not to get me killed this time" because it's the same pet, they can also only have 1 out at a time, so if they're riding their nightmare, which is a mount, it counts as a pet too, because it's one of their summon spells. The warlock's pets are things like Inferno's, succubuss' etc.
Now the hunter however, has to tame their pet, they only get the one pet, and if it dies, just like the warlock, have to wait before they can bring it back. The hunter's pets level from having the pet alive while you fight mobs, it doesn't 'steal' exp from you, pets don't reduce the exp anyone in the group gets, instead your pet gets the same exact amount of xp you do. If yer lvl 5 and kill a rabbit and get 10xp, then you bring out your pet crab and kill a rabbit, you're still going to get 5xp, but now your pet crab will also get 5xp. The warlock levels their pets by raising their summon skill for that pet (I think... don't know as much about warlocks as I do hunters lol). The hunter's pets are creatures, like raptors, spyders, wolves, cougars, bears.
Also, I insist for all you people who keep asking the same questions about hunters over and over and the 100 "why do so many people like hunters?" threads, read it too. Or at least glance at it, or use ctrl+f to find a keyword or something. Sorry for it's length, but I coulda made it much longer.
EDIT: The "I think" in this thread ONLY refers to how warlocks level their pets, I'm pretty posative it's by spending skill points in that power. Everything else I've refered to I am very sure of, from CURRENT data available on hunters. I say that because they're being reworked, and they could change very little, to as much as being little pixies with flame throwers strapped to their backs. Read that long post, then you won't have to ask anymore questions about hunters =P
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Yea i totally agree with u comparing those 2 together is completly incorrect, why would u have 2 classes do the same thing??
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