why do u care about who copyed the game from? it's the game story wich makes a game, not the graphics. I play gamez becauze it's fun. "i don't play a game only because to see that a mage is creating an fireball or something like this" ... it's horrible if u read some posts in forum fom gamez wich "doesn't look like WoW" -_-'' it's always the same >_< WoW is the best game ever >_< it's horrible that people stop playing gamez cauze of the graphics .. then go and play WoW if u think it's so great .. but stop saying all looks like WoW .. maybe the characters in WAR look like in WoW ... but there isn't anymore that looks like WoW to me.. I just hate it that people are compairing all the new gamez with WoW -_-'' only because of graphics ...... it's a new game. another story . another gameplay and much other things .. every game has their own ideas .. but i agree that mostly gamez have the same things like others ... but that's normal .. cauze every mmorpg needs this.
If WoW didn't have orcs, elves or dwarfs these dumb questions would not be asked. As those are the only similarities between the 2 games. The world is different the story is different and the meaning is different.
WAR cannot claim the right to an art style. or to certain races.
I have opposite problem. I dont like Warcraft world and feel and WAR looks very similar to WoW. Even if WAR graphic seems to be much more advanced, I still have the similar feelings about it. On the other hand WAR gameplay seems very interesting (I dont like WoW gameplay) and I probably didnt miss it only because of graphic. But the Warhammer lore and Warcraft graphic is something that makes game worse for me.
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Originally posted by FE|Tachyon OK. First. Warcraft ART is based of Warcraft the stratagy game, not Warhammer. The Orc charactor looks like the Grunt ORC's from Warcraft I, which was like 15 years ago?.
Yes, and Warcraft I's art was based on Warhammer. The Warhammer franchise as a whole has been around a LOT longer than Warcraft, and the Blizzard developers have said on multiple occasions that they borrow art direction from Warhammer games.
Please, don't post if you don't know what you're talking about. Your "opinion" on where a game's art assets came from is not worth reading.
OK. First. Warcraft ART is based of Warcraft the stratagy game, not Warhammer. The Orc charactor looks like the Grunt ORC's from Warcraft I, which was like 15 years ago?.
Yes, and Warcraft I's art was based on Warhammer. The Warhammer franchise as a whole has been around a LOT longer than Warcraft, and the Blizzard developers have said on multiple occasions that they borrow art direction from Warhammer games.
Please, don't post if you don't know what you're talking about. Your "opinion" on where a game's art assets came from is not worth reading.
POST THESE QUOTES SINCE YOUR CLAIMING THEY SAID IT.
2nd IF Your saying that BECAUSE they made ORC's GREEN they stole it from warhammer your a fool. Dungeons and Dragons was around befor warhammer, So I think Warhammer stole all their IDEA's from DnD. By the same logic your using saying Blizzard stole it from Warhammer, then the same is true about Warhammer stealing it from DnD. DnD had books with pictures from the 70's of Orc's, Goblins, and other creatures befor Warhammer was even a THOUGHT. The reality of it is, that an ORC will look like an ORC!!! Because Everyone can agree upon what Orcs look like. Blizzard started making Graphical games, a decade befor Warhammer, so Warcraft COULDN'T have taken ANYTHING from Warhammer that wasn't common accepted knowledge of the Fantasy world, (AND IF I CAN FIND THE QUOTE I'll link this later fron 3 years ago, befor WOW was released) Besides I'm not just talking about the looks of the mobs, Warhammers UI looks REMARKABLY like WoW's, The Mini Map, Quest Panes, Charactor Panes. Come on? Theres a lot of similarities here. This turned into another War looks like WOW looks like War, which isn't what this is about.
POST THESE QUOTES SINCE YOUR CLAIMING THEY SAID IT. 2nd IF Your saying that BECAUSE they made ORC's GREEN they stole it from warhammer your a fool. Dungeons and Dragons was around befor warhammer, So I think Warhammer stole all their IDEA's from DnD. By the same logic your using saying Blizzard stole it from Warhammer, then the same is true about Warhammer stealing it from DnD. DnD had books with pictures from the 70's of Orc's, Goblins, and other creatures befor Warhammer was even a THOUGHT. The reality of it is, that an ORC will look like an ORC!!! Because Everyone can agree upon what Orcs look like. Blizzard started making Graphical games, a decade befor Warhammer, so Warcraft COULDN'T have taken ANYTHING from Warhammer that wasn't common accepted knowledge of the Fantasy world, (AND IF I CAN FIND THE QUOTE I'll link this later fron 3 years ago, befor WOW was released) Besides I'm not just talking about the looks of the mobs, Warhammers UI looks REMARKABLY like WoW's, The Mini Map, Quest Panes, Charactor Panes. Come on? Theres a lot of similarities here. This turned into another War looks like WOW looks like War, which isn't what this is about.
No, Orcs don't look like Orcs, and not everyone can agree on what an Orc looks like - Orcs don't exist. D&D Orcs from 1978 look different from D&D Orcs from 1990 look different from Tolkien Orcs look different from Warcraft Orcs. But Warcraft Orcs look amazingly similar to Warhammer Orcs - bright green, broad-shouldered, stooping beasts. Games Workshop has taken their Orcs in a slightly different direction than Blizzard, but at the time Warcraft: Orcs vs. Humans was released, they looked nearly identical. It's no surprise, nobody cared, nobody made a fuss. Everybody knew what Warcraft was trying to be, and who they were trying to emulate, and we loved the game because it was the closest we could get to playing Warhammer on the computer.
POST THESE QUOTES SINCE YOUR CLAIMING THEY SAID IT. 2nd IF Your saying that BECAUSE they made ORC's GREEN they stole it from warhammer your a fool. Dungeons and Dragons was around befor warhammer, So I think Warhammer stole all their IDEA's from DnD. By the same logic your using saying Blizzard stole it from Warhammer, then the same is true about Warhammer stealing it from DnD. DnD had books with pictures from the 70's of Orc's, Goblins, and other creatures befor Warhammer was even a THOUGHT. The reality of it is, that an ORC will look like an ORC!!! Because Everyone can agree upon what Orcs look like. Blizzard started making Graphical games, a decade befor Warhammer, so Warcraft COULDN'T have taken ANYTHING from Warhammer that wasn't common accepted knowledge of the Fantasy world, (AND IF I CAN FIND THE QUOTE I'll link this later fron 3 years ago, befor WOW was released) Besides I'm not just talking about the looks of the mobs, Warhammers UI looks REMARKABLY like WoW's, The Mini Map, Quest Panes, Charactor Panes. Come on? Theres a lot of similarities here. This turned into another War looks like WOW looks like War, which isn't what this is about.
No, Orcs don't look like Orcs, and not everyone can agree on what an Orc looks like - Orcs don't exist. D&D Orcs from 1978 look different from D&D Orcs from 1990 look different from Tolkien Orcs look different from Warcraft Orcs. But Warcraft Orcs look amazingly similar to Warhammer Orcs - bright green, broad-shouldered, stooping beasts. Games Workshop has taken their Orcs in a slightly different direction than Blizzard, but at the time Warcraft: Orcs vs. Humans was released, they looked nearly identical. It's no surprise, nobody cared, nobody made a fuss. Everybody knew what Warcraft was trying to be, and who they were trying to emulate, and we loved the game because it was the closest we could get to playing Warhammer on the computer.
I totaly DISAGREE about the Orc thing. Warhammer orc's look cumbersom, and normaly very unproprtionate. Warhammers Orcs typicaly had smaller legs, and arms, and HUGE Torso's, and Giant heads. Warcrafts Orcs had HUGE thick legs, and Arms, Broad sholders and a very fitting size head, like a EXTREMELY Muscular Humaniod. Tolkens Orcs from LoTR's look the same, Very humanoid, but different color.
to be more accurate "Development history Warhammer Online development began under the development company Climax Online. The project was officially cancelled in June 2004 when Games Workshop determined that the roll-out costs would be too expensive.[3] However, development on the game never actually stopped as Climax Online continued the project using their own funds until the company reported in late 2004 that the Warhammer Online project was shut down due to difficulty in securing a publishing agreement. With the license available again, Games Workshop was approached by EA Mythic (then known as Mythic Entertainment), who were interested in acquiring the license and developing a new project from scratch. A long standing relationship between several Games Workshop managers and the CEO of Mythic Mark Jacobs ensured that a deal was quickly reached. The Warhammer Online license was acquired by Mythic on May 18, 2005.[4] Unlike the Climax Online project, Warhammer Online is not a joint venture with Games Workshop. As such, it will not use rules from either Warhammer Fantasy Battles or Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay." Game workshop thinks the cost is too expensive. Saying the game isn't turning out of what Game Workshop wants is a bit misleading. It is not until 2005 that Mythic acquire the license. Now I know that those arugment about "if" Mythic got the license first bah bah bah, but let's not play the IF game shall we?
Can't tell if your heads in the sand or if you're just non-intelligent. Who exactly posted that info? Unless you can link a GW or Mythic posting it is questionable at best. What is true is that a Warhammer based mmo was in the works before WoW even released. You can bet your life that GW wouldn't let a WH game go without the WH artstyle.
Now as you asked earlier, would there be a Warhammer mmo without WoW? You're damn straight there would be! It was already in the works and it is unlikely GW would drop it since mmos are the next big thing.
P.S. WAR is nothing like WoW even though the have similar artstyles. Again look at Van Gough. All his paintings use a similar art style yet none of the pictures are alike. Similar artstyles do not mean the games are even remotely similar. If you lik WoW go play WoW, we do not want you.
the info comes from Wiki where I link eariler. anymore questoins?
the fact is GW stop the production of WAR with Climax Online because of the expense and it's not until the success of WoW that WAR project is revive. You have to note that Blizzards' WoW was in production in 2001 where WAR begins at 2004? you are assuming in all your info where what I said are facts dude. it's funny how you compare a game which is in production to the date where a game is release...
of course you can say wikipedia is inaccurate or lying...
being so stupid defensive on a game you like is just stupid. I like WAR better than WoW but I just want to clear one thing that those stupid fanboy are bitching about WoW copying WAR everytime a post involves blizzard. Saying WAR is nothing like WoW before you play the game is another stupid statment
People need to calm down... As long as everybody knows Warhammer is the originator of the look Warcraft has been using. WAR probably wouldn't have came out if not for WoW. Warcraft probably wouldn't have came out if not for Warhammer. I guess they both owe each other some props.
WAR probably wouldn't have came out if not for WoW. Warcraft probably wouldn't have came out if not for Warhammer. I guess they both owe each other some props.
Originally posted by FE|Tachyon Originally posted by Aethios
Originally posted by FE|Tachyon OK. First. Warcraft ART is based of Warcraft the stratagy game, not Warhammer. The Orc charactor looks like the Grunt ORC's from Warcraft I, which was like 15 years ago?.
Yes, and Warcraft I's art was based on Warhammer. The Warhammer franchise as a whole has been around a LOT longer than Warcraft, and the Blizzard developers have said on multiple occasions that they borrow art direction from Warhammer games. Please, don't post if you don't know what you're talking about. Your "opinion" on where a game's art assets came from is not worth reading.
POST THESE QUOTES SINCE YOUR CLAIMING THEY SAID IT. 2nd IF Your saying that BECAUSE they made ORC's GREEN they stole it from warhammer your a fool. Dungeons and Dragons was around befor warhammer, So I think Warhammer stole all their IDEA's from DnD. By the same logic your using saying Blizzard stole it from Warhammer, then the same is true about Warhammer stealing it from DnD. DnD had books with pictures from the 70's of Orc's, Goblins, and other creatures befor Warhammer was even a THOUGHT. The reality of it is, that an ORC will look like an ORC!!! Because Everyone can agree upon what Orcs look like. Blizzard started making Graphical games, a decade befor Warhammer, so Warcraft COULDN'T have taken ANYTHING from Warhammer that wasn't common accepted knowledge of the Fantasy world, (AND IF I CAN FIND THE QUOTE I'll link this later fron 3 years ago, befor WOW was released) Besides I'm not just talking about the looks of the mobs, Warhammers UI looks REMARKABLY like WoW's, The Mini Map, Quest Panes, Charactor Panes. Come on? Theres a lot of similarities here. This turned into another War looks like WOW looks like War, which isn't what this is about.
Warcraft 1 was originally supposed to be a computer version of Warhammer - Games Workshop did not like the game and pulled their name from it. Blizzard released the game anyway. End of story.
As a long time WoW player and having actually played WAR, I can assure you: They absolutly doesn't look the same. WoW is way more "cartoony" as WAR is. They really have nothing in common (speaking of graphics, here) and I don't say that just to make WAR sound more unique oder original, because I really do like the WoW Style alot. It's like comparing Disney with Dali.
OK. First. Warcraft ART is based of Warcraft the stratagy game, not Warhammer. The Orc charactor looks like the Grunt ORC's from Warcraft I, which was like 15 years ago?.
Yes, and Warcraft I's art was based on Warhammer. The Warhammer franchise as a whole has been around a LOT longer than Warcraft, and the Blizzard developers have said on multiple occasions that they borrow art direction from Warhammer games.
Please, don't post if you don't know what you're talking about. Your "opinion" on where a game's art assets came from is not worth reading.
POST THESE QUOTES SINCE YOUR CLAIMING THEY SAID IT.
2nd IF Your saying that BECAUSE they made ORC's GREEN they stole it from warhammer your a fool. Dungeons and Dragons was around befor warhammer, So I think Warhammer stole all their IDEA's from DnD. By the same logic your using saying Blizzard stole it from Warhammer, then the same is true about Warhammer stealing it from DnD. DnD had books with pictures from the 70's of Orc's, Goblins, and other creatures befor Warhammer was even a THOUGHT. The reality of it is, that an ORC will look like an ORC!!! Because Everyone can agree upon what Orcs look like. Blizzard started making Graphical games, a decade befor Warhammer, so Warcraft COULDN'T have taken ANYTHING from Warhammer that wasn't common accepted knowledge of the Fantasy world, (AND IF I CAN FIND THE QUOTE I'll link this later fron 3 years ago, befor WOW was released) Besides I'm not just talking about the looks of the mobs, Warhammers UI looks REMARKABLY like WoW's, The Mini Map, Quest Panes, Charactor Panes. Come on? Theres a lot of similarities here. This turned into another War looks like WOW looks like War, which isn't what this is about.
Warcraft 1 was originally supposed to be a computer version of Warhammer - Games Workshop did not like the game and pulled their name from it. Blizzard released the game anyway.
End of story.
OMG! will people stop banding that urban myth around.. there is NO evidence that WC1 was EVER supposed to be a WH game.
I think you could say that WAR will be what WoW should have been.
$OE lies list http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0 " And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
OK. First. Warcraft ART is based of Warcraft the stratagy game, not Warhammer. The Orc charactor looks like the Grunt ORC's from Warcraft I, which was like 15 years ago?.
Yes, and Warcraft I's art was based on Warhammer. The Warhammer franchise as a whole has been around a LOT longer than Warcraft, and the Blizzard developers have said on multiple occasions that they borrow art direction from Warhammer games.
Please, don't post if you don't know what you're talking about. Your "opinion" on where a game's art assets came from is not worth reading.
POST THESE QUOTES SINCE YOUR CLAIMING THEY SAID IT.
2nd IF Your saying that BECAUSE they made ORC's GREEN they stole it from warhammer your a fool. Dungeons and Dragons was around befor warhammer, So I think Warhammer stole all their IDEA's from DnD. By the same logic your using saying Blizzard stole it from Warhammer, then the same is true about Warhammer stealing it from DnD. DnD had books with pictures from the 70's of Orc's, Goblins, and other creatures befor Warhammer was even a THOUGHT. The reality of it is, that an ORC will look like an ORC!!! Because Everyone can agree upon what Orcs look like. Blizzard started making Graphical games, a decade befor Warhammer, so Warcraft COULDN'T have taken ANYTHING from Warhammer that wasn't common accepted knowledge of the Fantasy world, (AND IF I CAN FIND THE QUOTE I'll link this later fron 3 years ago, befor WOW was released) Besides I'm not just talking about the looks of the mobs, Warhammers UI looks REMARKABLY like WoW's, The Mini Map, Quest Panes, Charactor Panes. Come on? Theres a lot of similarities here. This turned into another War looks like WOW looks like War, which isn't what this is about.
Warcraft 1 was originally supposed to be a computer version of Warhammer - Games Workshop did not like the game and pulled their name from it. Blizzard released the game anyway.
End of story.
OMG! will people stop banding that urban myth around.. there is NO evidence that WC1 was EVER supposed to be a WH game.
TOTALY TRUE.... IF it were true you could find it SOMEWHERE in Games Workshop's Financials. This is the kind of informations they'll have to report to shareholders.
Theres ABSOLUTELY no evidence that games workshop EVER had ANYTHING to do with Warcraft.
I'm excited because it has two key elements that an MMO needs, which are that the graphics aren't going to require a machine that 1% of the population thereby making the game available to almost everyone (which gave WoW it's numbers), and second because of the PvP focus.
Age of Conan lacks in both compared to War. Especially the graphics. Conan is going to require a much more hefty system. Bigger system requirements = less userbase.
Personally I love the PvP aspect of the game. However after watching several videos and interviews the game does look a bit like, auto attack, whack, whack wait for one player to go down. I am concerned that it will be another game that everyone races to level as fast as possible so your whacks do more damage. If its like this I wont play more than 5 minutes...
Personally I dont think 2 players whacking each other on autoattack is PvP. Because all you get is a player going, 'that orc is 5 levels higher than me. Run." Just thinking about it makes me wanna puke
I suspect that the best indication of what WAR's PvP will Actually be like is to re-examine DaoC... I may very well be wrong of course.. but I have to say I fear Chryses MAY be correct - hell i blogged about it- but they broke my heart when they implied the combat will be more "MMO standard" than it will be "WarHammer"...
And lets face it Badger the combat is not in the true Warhammer style. It looks like a bunch of solo players running around trying to get in range to whack something. When I heard this was coming out I did hope they would have some kind of squad, legion based system. Even being able to hire 12 mercenaries who you could send off and see them fight in rank and file. Either way I hope they have a 10 day trial because I am not brave enough to buy it outright.
I think you could say that WAR will be what WoW should have been.
Nah.. I think that subscriptions numbers show that WoW should of been what WoW is/was.
Popular opinion doesn't make something better, or more complex, and really that's all the subscription numbers are as indicators. I can give you a list of presidents who shouldn't have been elected, but the numbers.. eh yeah. How about popular music, or anything at the center of pop culture that's so dumbed for the mindless masses that anyone with a broader understanding could write volumes on "should have been." These volumes are often not written for reasons of futile knowledge, while the mindless masses put on their blinders, and get back in line with the rest of the sheep. Baaaaaaaaaahhhh
I think you could say that WAR will be what WoW should have been.
Nah.. I think that subscriptions numbers show that WoW should of been what WoW is/was.
Popular opinion doesn't make something better, or more complex, and really that's all the subscription numbers are as indicators. I can give you a list of presidents who shouldn't have been elected, but the numbers.. eh yeah. How about popular music, or anything at the center of pop culture that's so dumbed for the mindless masses that anyone with a broader understanding could write volumes on "should have been." These volumes are often not written for reasons of futile knowledge, while the mindless masses put on their blinders, and get back in line with the rest of the sheep. Baaaaaaaaaahhhh
respectfully submitted
What about popular opinion + critical professional opinion + sales? Sorry, but if that doesn't prove its better than most, NOTHING does. The minldess masses aren't the only ones who like WOW. Every legitimate website and every review in every magazine praises it. Everyone I've been playing games with since UO thought WOW was great. All of them. Even the ones I know who don't enjoy it still admit its a great game. The only ones who hate it are always bitter gamers who manage to hate almost everything and everyone who disagrees with them;) Thats never surprising. The only sheep are those too stupid to accept reality, thinking they know more than everyone else.
The reality is, WOW is a damn good game, a damn good MMO and has set a new standard all other developers in this genre strive for. Your personal opinion means NOTHING. 9 million opinions, veteran, new & professional, mean something. The fact, is everything that makes a game great, WOW has accomplished. Theres nothing you can say to dispute it, now and forever.
Britney Spears has never been acclaimed for having an amazing voice and classic songs. She's just popular. McDOnalds has never been acclaimed for excellent food compared to gormet resturants. NEVER. WOW has NEVER been refered to as just popular, except by a few freaks and geeks on a few forums. The few freaks and geeks will always hate something popular, because they're bitter and always will be.
I suspect that the best indication of what WAR's PvP will Actually be like is to re-examine DaoC... I may very well be wrong of course.. but I have to say I fear Chryses MAY be correct - hell i blogged about it- but they broke my heart when they implied the combat will be more "MMO standard" than it will be "WarHammer"...
I hate to tell you this, but its nothing like DAoC. I've been making a lot of posts recently on how the game is nothing like DAoC and its actually more like WoW. This is why im doing this. A lot of people are expecting something from the greatest PvP MMO of all time : DAoC, and im sad to say that after playing it myself it is nothing like it. That is all.
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why do u care about who copyed the game from? it's the game story wich makes a game, not the graphics. I play gamez becauze it's fun. "i don't play a game only because to see that a mage is creating an fireball or something like this" ... it's horrible if u read some posts in forum fom gamez wich "doesn't look like WoW" -_-'' it's always the same >_< WoW is the best game ever >_< it's horrible that people stop playing gamez cauze of the graphics .. then go and play WoW if u think it's so great .. but stop saying all looks like WoW .. maybe the characters in WAR look like in WoW ... but there isn't anymore that looks like WoW to me.. I just hate it that people are compairing all the new gamez with WoW -_-'' only because of graphics ...... it's a new game. another story . another gameplay and much other things .. every game has their own ideas .. but i agree that mostly gamez have the same things like others ... but that's normal .. cauze every mmorpg needs this.
If WoW didn't have orcs, elves or dwarfs these dumb questions would not be asked. As those are the only similarities between the 2 games. The world is different the story is different and the meaning is different.
WAR cannot claim the right to an art style. or to certain races.
But the fact remains WoW came b4 WAR.
I have opposite problem. I dont like Warcraft world and feel and WAR looks very similar to WoW. Even if WAR graphic seems to be much more advanced, I still have the similar feelings about it.
On the other hand WAR gameplay seems very interesting (I dont like WoW gameplay) and I probably didnt miss it only because of graphic. But the Warhammer lore and Warcraft graphic is something that makes game worse for me.
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Yes, and Warcraft I's art was based on Warhammer. The Warhammer franchise as a whole has been around a LOT longer than Warcraft, and the Blizzard developers have said on multiple occasions that they borrow art direction from Warhammer games.
Please, don't post if you don't know what you're talking about. Your "opinion" on where a game's art assets came from is not worth reading.
Yes, and Warcraft I's art was based on Warhammer. The Warhammer franchise as a whole has been around a LOT longer than Warcraft, and the Blizzard developers have said on multiple occasions that they borrow art direction from Warhammer games.
Please, don't post if you don't know what you're talking about. Your "opinion" on where a game's art assets came from is not worth reading.
POST THESE QUOTES SINCE YOUR CLAIMING THEY SAID IT.
2nd IF Your saying that BECAUSE they made ORC's GREEN they stole it from warhammer your a fool. Dungeons and Dragons was around befor warhammer, So I think Warhammer stole all their IDEA's from DnD. By the same logic your using saying Blizzard stole it from Warhammer, then the same is true about Warhammer stealing it from DnD. DnD had books with pictures from the 70's of Orc's, Goblins, and other creatures befor Warhammer was even a THOUGHT. The reality of it is, that an ORC will look like an ORC!!! Because Everyone can agree upon what Orcs look like. Blizzard started making Graphical games, a decade befor Warhammer, so Warcraft COULDN'T have taken ANYTHING from Warhammer that wasn't common accepted knowledge of the Fantasy world, (AND IF I CAN FIND THE QUOTE I'll link this later fron 3 years ago, befor WOW was released) Besides I'm not just talking about the looks of the mobs, Warhammers UI looks REMARKABLY like WoW's, The Mini Map, Quest Panes, Charactor Panes. Come on? Theres a lot of similarities here. This turned into another War looks like WOW looks like War, which isn't what this is about.
I totaly DISAGREE about the Orc thing. Warhammer orc's look cumbersom, and normaly very unproprtionate. Warhammers Orcs typicaly had smaller legs, and arms, and HUGE Torso's, and Giant heads. Warcrafts Orcs had HUGE thick legs, and Arms, Broad sholders and a very fitting size head, like a EXTREMELY Muscular Humaniod. Tolkens Orcs from LoTR's look the same, Very humanoid, but different color.
Now as you asked earlier, would there be a Warhammer mmo without WoW? You're damn straight there would be! It was already in the works and it is unlikely GW would drop it since mmos are the next big thing.
P.S. WAR is nothing like WoW even though the have similar artstyles. Again look at Van Gough. All his paintings use a similar art style yet none of the pictures are alike. Similar artstyles do not mean the games are even remotely similar. If you lik WoW go play WoW, we do not want you.
the info comes from Wiki where I link eariler. anymore questoins?
the fact is GW stop the production of WAR with Climax Online because of the expense and it's not until the success of WoW that WAR project is revive. You have to note that Blizzards' WoW was in production in 2001 where WAR begins at 2004? you are assuming in all your info where what I said are facts dude. it's funny how you compare a game which is in production to the date where a game is release...
o yes you want links?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhammer_Online
of course you can say wikipedia is inaccurate or lying...
being so stupid defensive on a game you like is just stupid. I like WAR better than WoW but I just want to clear one thing that those stupid fanboy are bitching about WoW copying WAR everytime a post involves blizzard. Saying WAR is nothing like WoW before you play the game is another stupid statment
You know we should just stop posting topics that involve WAR and WOW in the same topic, good or bad just stop.... I am just saying my opinion.
People need to calm down... As long as everybody knows Warhammer is the originator of the look Warcraft has been using. WAR probably wouldn't have came out if not for WoW. Warcraft probably wouldn't have came out if not for Warhammer. I guess they both owe each other some props.
Yes, and Warcraft I's art was based on Warhammer. The Warhammer franchise as a whole has been around a LOT longer than Warcraft, and the Blizzard developers have said on multiple occasions that they borrow art direction from Warhammer games.
Please, don't post if you don't know what you're talking about. Your "opinion" on where a game's art assets came from is not worth reading.
POST THESE QUOTES SINCE YOUR CLAIMING THEY SAID IT.
2nd IF Your saying that BECAUSE they made ORC's GREEN they stole it from warhammer your a fool. Dungeons and Dragons was around befor warhammer, So I think Warhammer stole all their IDEA's from DnD. By the same logic your using saying Blizzard stole it from Warhammer, then the same is true about Warhammer stealing it from DnD. DnD had books with pictures from the 70's of Orc's, Goblins, and other creatures befor Warhammer was even a THOUGHT. The reality of it is, that an ORC will look like an ORC!!! Because Everyone can agree upon what Orcs look like. Blizzard started making Graphical games, a decade befor Warhammer, so Warcraft COULDN'T have taken ANYTHING from Warhammer that wasn't common accepted knowledge of the Fantasy world, (AND IF I CAN FIND THE QUOTE I'll link this later fron 3 years ago, befor WOW was released) Besides I'm not just talking about the looks of the mobs, Warhammers UI looks REMARKABLY like WoW's, The Mini Map, Quest Panes, Charactor Panes. Come on? Theres a lot of similarities here. This turned into another War looks like WOW looks like War, which isn't what this is about.
Warcraft 1 was originally supposed to be a computer version of Warhammer - Games Workshop did not like the game and pulled their name from it. Blizzard released the game anyway.
End of story.
As a long time WoW player and having actually played WAR, I can assure you: They absolutly doesn't look the same. WoW is way more "cartoony" as WAR is. They really have nothing in common (speaking of graphics, here) and I don't say that just to make WAR sound more unique oder original, because I really do like the WoW Style alot.
It's like comparing Disney with Dali.
Yes, and Warcraft I's art was based on Warhammer. The Warhammer franchise as a whole has been around a LOT longer than Warcraft, and the Blizzard developers have said on multiple occasions that they borrow art direction from Warhammer games.
Please, don't post if you don't know what you're talking about. Your "opinion" on where a game's art assets came from is not worth reading.
POST THESE QUOTES SINCE YOUR CLAIMING THEY SAID IT.
2nd IF Your saying that BECAUSE they made ORC's GREEN they stole it from warhammer your a fool. Dungeons and Dragons was around befor warhammer, So I think Warhammer stole all their IDEA's from DnD. By the same logic your using saying Blizzard stole it from Warhammer, then the same is true about Warhammer stealing it from DnD. DnD had books with pictures from the 70's of Orc's, Goblins, and other creatures befor Warhammer was even a THOUGHT. The reality of it is, that an ORC will look like an ORC!!! Because Everyone can agree upon what Orcs look like. Blizzard started making Graphical games, a decade befor Warhammer, so Warcraft COULDN'T have taken ANYTHING from Warhammer that wasn't common accepted knowledge of the Fantasy world, (AND IF I CAN FIND THE QUOTE I'll link this later fron 3 years ago, befor WOW was released) Besides I'm not just talking about the looks of the mobs, Warhammers UI looks REMARKABLY like WoW's, The Mini Map, Quest Panes, Charactor Panes. Come on? Theres a lot of similarities here. This turned into another War looks like WOW looks like War, which isn't what this is about.
Warcraft 1 was originally supposed to be a computer version of Warhammer - Games Workshop did not like the game and pulled their name from it. Blizzard released the game anyway.
End of story.
OMG! will people stop banding that urban myth around.. there is NO evidence that WC1 was EVER supposed to be a WH game.
I think you could say that WAR will be what WoW should have been.
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Nah.. I think that subscriptions numbers show that WoW should of been what WoW is/was.
Yes, and Warcraft I's art was based on Warhammer. The Warhammer franchise as a whole has been around a LOT longer than Warcraft, and the Blizzard developers have said on multiple occasions that they borrow art direction from Warhammer games.
Please, don't post if you don't know what you're talking about. Your "opinion" on where a game's art assets came from is not worth reading.
POST THESE QUOTES SINCE YOUR CLAIMING THEY SAID IT.
2nd IF Your saying that BECAUSE they made ORC's GREEN they stole it from warhammer your a fool. Dungeons and Dragons was around befor warhammer, So I think Warhammer stole all their IDEA's from DnD. By the same logic your using saying Blizzard stole it from Warhammer, then the same is true about Warhammer stealing it from DnD. DnD had books with pictures from the 70's of Orc's, Goblins, and other creatures befor Warhammer was even a THOUGHT. The reality of it is, that an ORC will look like an ORC!!! Because Everyone can agree upon what Orcs look like. Blizzard started making Graphical games, a decade befor Warhammer, so Warcraft COULDN'T have taken ANYTHING from Warhammer that wasn't common accepted knowledge of the Fantasy world, (AND IF I CAN FIND THE QUOTE I'll link this later fron 3 years ago, befor WOW was released) Besides I'm not just talking about the looks of the mobs, Warhammers UI looks REMARKABLY like WoW's, The Mini Map, Quest Panes, Charactor Panes. Come on? Theres a lot of similarities here. This turned into another War looks like WOW looks like War, which isn't what this is about.
Warcraft 1 was originally supposed to be a computer version of Warhammer - Games Workshop did not like the game and pulled their name from it. Blizzard released the game anyway.
End of story.
OMG! will people stop banding that urban myth around.. there is NO evidence that WC1 was EVER supposed to be a WH game.
TOTALY TRUE.... IF it were true you could find it SOMEWHERE in Games Workshop's Financials. This is the kind of informations they'll have to report to shareholders.
Theres ABSOLUTELY no evidence that games workshop EVER had ANYTHING to do with Warcraft.
I'm excited because it has two key elements that an MMO needs, which are that the graphics aren't going to require a machine that 1% of the population thereby making the game available to almost everyone (which gave WoW it's numbers), and second because of the PvP focus.
Age of Conan lacks in both compared to War. Especially the graphics. Conan is going to require a much more hefty system. Bigger system requirements = less userbase.
I'm interested not because it looks like WoW but because it will be focused on PvP.
Personally I love the PvP aspect of the game. However after watching several videos and interviews the game does look a bit like, auto attack, whack, whack wait for one player to go down. I am concerned that it will be another game that everyone races to level as fast as possible so your whacks do more damage. If its like this I wont play more than 5 minutes...
Personally I dont think 2 players whacking each other on autoattack is PvP. Because all you get is a player going, 'that orc is 5 levels higher than me. Run." Just thinking about it makes me wanna puke
I suspect that the best indication of what WAR's PvP will Actually be like is to re-examine DaoC...
I may very well be wrong of course.. but I have to say I fear Chryses MAY be correct - hell i blogged about it-
but they broke my heart when they implied the combat will be more "MMO standard" than it will be "WarHammer"...
And lets face it Badger the combat is not in the true Warhammer style. It looks like a bunch of solo players running around trying to get in range to whack something. When I heard this was coming out I did hope they would have some kind of squad, legion based system. Even being able to hire 12 mercenaries who you could send off and see them fight in rank and file. Either way I hope they have a 10 day trial because I am not brave enough to buy it outright.
Nah.. I think that subscriptions numbers show that WoW should of been what WoW is/was.
Popular opinion doesn't make something better, or more complex, and really that's all the subscription numbers are as indicators. I can give you a list of presidents who shouldn't have been elected, but the numbers.. eh yeah. How about popular music, or anything at the center of pop culture that's so dumbed for the mindless masses that anyone with a broader understanding could write volumes on "should have been." These volumes are often not written for reasons of futile knowledge, while the mindless masses put on their blinders, and get back in line with the rest of the sheep. Baaaaaaaaaahhhhrespectfully submitted
Nah.. I think that subscriptions numbers show that WoW should of been what WoW is/was.
Popular opinion doesn't make something better, or more complex, and really that's all the subscription numbers are as indicators. I can give you a list of presidents who shouldn't have been elected, but the numbers.. eh yeah. How about popular music, or anything at the center of pop culture that's so dumbed for the mindless masses that anyone with a broader understanding could write volumes on "should have been." These volumes are often not written for reasons of futile knowledge, while the mindless masses put on their blinders, and get back in line with the rest of the sheep. Baaaaaaaaaahhhhrespectfully submitted
What about popular opinion + critical professional opinion + sales? Sorry, but if that doesn't prove its better than most, NOTHING does. The minldess masses aren't the only ones who like WOW. Every legitimate website and every review in every magazine praises it. Everyone I've been playing games with since UO thought WOW was great. All of them. Even the ones I know who don't enjoy it still admit its a great game. The only ones who hate it are always bitter gamers who manage to hate almost everything and everyone who disagrees with them;) Thats never surprising. The only sheep are those too stupid to accept reality, thinking they know more than everyone else.
The reality is, WOW is a damn good game, a damn good MMO and has set a new standard all other developers in this genre strive for. Your personal opinion means NOTHING. 9 million opinions, veteran, new & professional, mean something. The fact, is everything that makes a game great, WOW has accomplished. Theres nothing you can say to dispute it, now and forever.
Britney Spears has never been acclaimed for having an amazing voice and classic songs. She's just popular. McDOnalds has never been acclaimed for excellent food compared to gormet resturants. NEVER. WOW has NEVER been refered to as just popular, except by a few freaks and geeks on a few forums. The few freaks and geeks will always hate something popular, because they're bitter and always will be.
I hate to tell you this, but its nothing like DAoC. I've been making a lot of posts recently on how the game is nothing like DAoC and its actually more like WoW. This is why im doing this. A lot of people are expecting something from the greatest PvP MMO of all time : DAoC, and im sad to say that after playing it myself it is nothing like it. That is all.