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horde = good guys?
thanos1313
Member Posts: 183
ok now im only on the 10 day trial and have only been playing for like 4 or 5 days but it seems the allience are the bad guys and the horde are really the good guys or atlest they both are good but heres some reasons why ....btw im only going to list reasons why the horde should be considerd good guys cause i dont want to list anything about the allience
orcs - misunderstood aliens come on now there not really evil there just not from this world
undead - used to be evil when under the rule of the lich king but got free and even helped stop the lich king
tauren - a tribal race dedicated to say it with me now BALANCE not evil not good BALANCE
trolls - pushed out of there homeland by war....now come on whouldent you be just alittle upset if you where forced to leave the home you love because of that
breaking news, a brawl broke out between the hogger and arthas the lich king downtown gadgetzan. there where no survivers
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Well I haven't taken the time to read all the WoW lore, but I do know this:
The Burning Legion forced the Orcs to fight the humans, thus creating an eternal hate for one another.
Trolls allied with orcs somewhere along the line (after the fight with the humans I think). Tauren allied with them too to get help with the centaurs.
Undead allied with the horde to fight against the Lich King I think, but if you read the Undead info you'll find they don't care about anybody they just want to demolish the Lich King.
Dwarves and Gnomes were allies from the beginning and they're brotherhood allied with the humans.
I know nothing about night elves, mainly because they're so boring.
Draenei crash landed on Azeroth and the Alliance welcomed them in.
Blood Elfs were no longer trusted by the Alliance so they joined the horde.
It's really all a misunderstanding, both factions have good intentions. Again, I haven't read WoW lore at all, so this is probably at least a bit innacurate.
Also, blood elfs are really the only "evil" race, and they arent evil as so much easily corrupted by foul magics.
Any more questions about lore, just ask :]
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hey to me "not of this world" mean alien so :P im just wondering WHY the horde are considerd evil
breaking news, a brawl broke out between the hogger and arthas the lich king downtown gadgetzan. there where no survivers
cuz they're ugly and look like monsters... lol. that's why everyone considers them to be evil, but none of the races actually are. It's just like real life, most people, no matter what race, have their good and bad guys.
I was JUST talking about this in game... Its typical blizzard PC bogus shit
The game really needs to be good vs evil like in the old days. EQ2 for all its rotten stinking convoluted lore actually does this. Give the Horde DEATH KNIGHTS and the Alliance CRUSADERS. If I see a Gnome "death knight" im cancelling my sub
I mean, if it were AT LEAST ugly vs "pretty" id be ok with it except they put the most sexually ambiguous-lets leave it at that-looking and acting race out there the-blood elves- on the orc side along with a bunch of peacepipe indian types(tauren) omgwtf. Only thing done right on the horde side is undead...its a work of art, all those zones.
they softened yall up with warcraft 3(hated it). If they tried to pull this shitty lore coming off warcraft 1 or even warcraft 2 the game wouldnt have been recieved so well.
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the horde is not evil perse, but forsaken and blood elves are quite near that mark.
The first are renwon for being very good at making plagues.. to kill the living... ALL the living, not just the alliance guys.
The second make clear use of demonic energy and are addicted to it.
trolls on the other hand are reportedly cannibals and one of the most savage race around, completely unable to trust even each other. Now dakspear, the trolls on the horde side are supposed to be a bit better.... but still!
The orcs are still savage and brutal, only not anymore demon influenced, but they are still orcs! didn't transform to herb gathering bunnies overnight, did they?
Taurens are pretty peaceful and ecologists, yeah, but as all good native american tribes, piss them off and they coming for your scalp.... or tusks.
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice.
forsaken=group of undead humans killed by maurfactured plague transformed into the scourge only to break away from scourges controll and welcomed into the arms of the horde= anything but evil
orcs= originaly peacefull living in harrmony with the dreanei in dreanor but then infuenced by the burning legion to kill thousands of peacefull dreanie then again influenced again by the burning legion to go to azeroth forced to fight with humans then orcs break away from the burning legions control become less savage and form the horde=still savage but not theyre fault
trolls=savage headhunting canibals kicked out of theyre homeland and welcomed into arms of the horde=naturely savge but not perticualy evil
blood elves=originaly the high elves allied with the allince all is fine and dandy until the the high elves source of power (the sunwell) is destroyed and most of their race is killed of by the scourge the remaining high elves rename themselves the blood elves and with the sunwell gone they become addicted to magic and join the horde in search of more power to feed their addiction=not completley evil some chose the path to light and some chose the path of darkness
tauren=peacfull nomadic race ravaged by marauding centar then the horde come aid tauren in driving the centar away tauren are so gratefull they join the horde who helped them=not evil
dreanei=originaly the eredar two thirds of theyre race join the burning legion the rest move to dreanor and rename themselves the dreanei thousands then get killed of by the fel orcs dreanie then move to azeroth and join the alience=probably the least evil race in the game
dwarves=as part of the alience they embrace light,they are the backbone of the alience and they have a strong passion for mining and alcahol=not evil just a just a load of drunks
humans=quite battered about realy theve had to cope with disaster after disasterlike the scourge the orcs and the fall of lorderonbut they are probablythey main race in the alience=the humans may look like a load of goodie goodies but their not as good as they look but not evil
the night elves=the night elves play a key part in the allience they are very druidic explained by their love of nature=not evil
the gnomes=the most inteligent race in the allience the gnomes suplie wonderous new tecnology tho the allience as well as iteligent they have a love for magic=not evil but some can be very corupted
Actually I much prefer the world as it is, where both sides contain elements of good and evil. A little ambiguity makes for a complex world and gives far more opportunities for interesting developments.
If you want to you can play an idealistic young ork. Or you could play a corrupt and depraved dwarf. You can even, if you choose, role-play through transitions in your characters views, as the chivalrous young knight becomes corrupted by cynicism or the assassin's heart melts when he befriends a young girl.
I'd rather play in a complex world than the cliches you seem to prefer.
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Orcs were once a great shamanistic society. The Burning Legion(demons) came in, and F-ed things up as they are wont to do. Long story short, they corrupted the orcs making them crazy, blood lusting beast, and they invaded the human realm by using a portal between the two worlds. Once the portal to Azeroth was closed by the Alliance the orcs were captured and put into camps. Eventually they lost their bloodlust, and escaped their human camps to Kalimdor.
Some humans actually helped the orcs out, and orcs helped the humans when the Burning Legion attacked Lordaeron. Horde is good nor evil now. Horde is actually a bad description. As the Horde ended once the orcs were uncorrupted by the Burning Legion, and Thrall began to change Orc society back to its former state.
Undead and trolls are as*holes. period.
the blood elves arn't that good.
In WoW both sides are combatting the "true evil" factions, and neither of the playable factions are considered evil. In past lore, the two sides banded together to defeat invading demons and the Scourge. I'd really like the chance to play a "true evil" faction in WoW, that would be awesome.
for the last time forsaken are not evil they just look evil they are just as good as humans cause thats wot they r
yea everyone knows the undead(forsaken) arent evil people are just racist ageinst dead bodies
breaking news, a brawl broke out between the hogger and arthas the lich king downtown gadgetzan. there where no survivers
i have an undead character and some of the quests say that you need to gather the following:bla bla blaaaa bla bla to create an evil plague to destroy all living things..... whats not evil about that. but then again, Undead are my favourite race and i like them because they are the most sinister race.
there's two types of undead the scourge and the forsaken... the forsaken are the race you play as and the scourge are the reall really really really really evil ones, the ones that all the races united to fight against. so actually all the races aren't good or bad, it's the other undead that is evil.
spazzy BogAn
Well, as of Warcraft III (before the Frozen Throne, when things made sense), it was:
Horde (Orc, Tauren, Troll) + Nightelves + Humans following Jaina Proudmoore = Good guys
Humans that didnt follow Jaina/followed Arthas + Undead Scourge/Followers of the Lich King = Bad Guys
The Forsaken = Neutral with Chaotic or Evil tendencies
Centaurs = tendency towards evil, but more of a nuisance
Blood Elves = Insanity
Illidan = see above
The Burning Legion = Major, Planet-destroying Evil, ONLY kept at bay by the presence and awakening of the Lich King
Medivh = the one and only Guardian left, the closest thing to a God and a pure Good Guy, but in a Chaotic Good way.
Then as off WoW it was "Lore? Who needs lore? We've got MOOONEEEEYYY!"
The Humans are the real bad guys. They enslaved the Orcs for years in interment camps, they drove the trolls out of their homeland, and forced the High Elves (now called Blood Elves) out of the alliance.
As far as the only true good guys that would be the Tauren. All the other races are just shades of gray.
Hehehe!
I like the idea of the Horde being the "Good Guys" specially since I have almost entirely Horde toons.
I believe technically they ARE aliens since they are from another planet!
Orcs = human haters
Humans = Ocr haters
There both good/evil i say
Paladin : "The official title has come out of fashion, but the word "paladin" is still used to describe a heroic champion, or the defender of a noble cause." So, where in there do you get evil? Misguided maybe, a liitle extreme is some historical cases perhaps, but to be honest, an evil paladin is no longer a paladin but more of a death knight for example. In my opionion Pally's are inherently good. Being an evil paladin would be like a greedy buddhist! (LOL)
Warlock : "In the Warcraft series, warlocks are sorcerers who chose to enter into a path of darkness, drawing their powers from demonic sources in exchange for their souls." Are you kidding me? Offering up your soul for power? This could possibly be considered good? Again, in my opinion, 'locks cannot be good. The lose the possibility of ever being considered good the day they choose to BE a 'lock. Any race considering themselves good would have to exile one of their own that turned to the dark sid... I mean became a warlock.
So on that note, with the addition of Blood Elf Paladins, the Horde, by definition, can no longer be treated as evil. And as always, neither side can be treated as good (not just because of the Warlock class but because they have both done horrible things to eachother!) This is a typical battle between 2 sides who are unwilling to communicate, understand, listen... you know, the typical things that cause marriages to fail!
Well if Blizzard would let characters learn other languages then maybe they could communicate!
Well if Blizzard would let characters learn other languages then maybe they could communicate!
I believe that, in the MMO setting, "paladins" are often considered servants of a god. If their god is "good" they are good; if their god is "evil", they are evil. Same thing with clerics!
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Actually I much prefer the world as it is, where both sides contain elements of good and evil. A little ambiguity makes for a complex world and gives far more opportunities for interesting developments.
If you want to you can play an idealistic young ork. Or you could play a corrupt and depraved dwarf. You can even, if you choose, role-play through transitions in your characters views, as the chivalrous young knight becomes corrupted by cynicism or the assassin's heart melts when he befriends a young girl.
I'd rather play in a complex world than the cliches you seem to prefer.
thats good for RP and bad for PVP....
Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice.