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Why a Eve PVE server is work
Stumpy26
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Hi
Im sure many of you have seen the Eve video interview and the heated discussion that followed that in the comments section. Well I would like to explain from my (our) point of view. I dont want to be arogant or rude I would just like to explain it from my point of view.
First of all Eve is a single sharded universe, which makes it special since every action you take will affect the rest of game, splitting this into 2 shards will remove this. It wont stand out from the rest and it will lose its magic. We may come across as cold blooded killers that take pleasure in ganking noobs, I assure you this is not the case, sure we have pirates that prey on inexperienced players which isnt very honourable. But this is another feature that we love, the possability to be ANYTHING you want to be, a ebil pirate, a trade tycoon that makes his money off the market, a mission runner (NPCing), a scientist, I wont go on but theres alot you can do and its not all pvp.
There is also a very real sense of danger in the game, you are never safe (exept in a station 
), we do have safe space which is patroled by NPC police but you can still be attacked although your attacker will be almost instantly destroyed by the cops and thier über weapons. Other corperations can declare war against you even if you dont concent (exept if you are in an NPC corp then you are imune to war). This constant sense of danger gives the game a special feeling which is why I play it.
So in a sense yes you cant relly escape pvp in EvE and if you are only into raiding/killing NPC's all day it is a very rude surprise when you get ganked out of the blue I admit.
This is basically why myself, many eve players and (according to CCP's stance till now) are against have a seperate pve server, you wont be playing eve you will be playing hello kitty online in spaceships.
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So if they wouldn't really be playing EvE and would apparently be more interested in a playstyle that you can't help but insult .... would you really miss them from the "real" EvE server?
EVE isn't a single server though since they opened one in China right? I meant all the subscribers aren't on one server anymore anyway, so what would it matter if they made a third server? It would certainly reduce lag and improve PvP since large fleet battles have been nothing but slide shows for a long time, often ending in a node crash which causes a cascade failure throughout the entire server!
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War dancer I didnt insult PVE playstyle tbh I tried to to be polite and diplomatic, the other guy the chinese server is there cos of the Gallante Nation (which are democratic) which wasnt allowed there. The rules are the same on the chinese server they are also blowing each other up like we do on tranquility.
First 2 replies are flames .. great
For me at least its readily apparent why you don't want CCP to offer a PVE server where players can go and simply enjoy what Eve has to offer without having to constantly look over the shoulder. You'd loose all your would be victims, you know the guys that cross the boundary of relatively safe zones for zones less so just to try and get ahead only to find the sociopaths waiting to shove the dagger into their backs. CCP has demonstarted that they are more than willing to open Eve up to other markets, is it really so far fetched that they give the PvE style player an equal shot at playing their game.
Like guy said on the Eve video thread, its okay not to get that the PvE player would find that kind of server a good thing. The PvP player would still have Tranquility to play on with all the intrigue and suspense they crave.
a big part of the PvE content is in missions. the introduction of lvl5s, and teh soon to be added lvl6s are stricktly being added where the PvE players are going to be more exposed to PvP harm.
to me it seems that the devolopers want more people to be thinking about the sandbox nature, that there are people throwing sand in your face, that you need to think of how you are going to handle that. The key here, is that you will need to think and work in teams to get the greatest rewards at great risk.
It would be nice for them just to open another server so that new people could get stuck in and have a chance at taking 0.0 and being up there with skills.
Unlikely though seeing as so few subscribers opening another server would just dilute an already small userbase
Yeah, it will only be a small change, not like it'd effect you or anything. I mean, look what happened to Ultima Online when they opened a safe realm...
Seriously, why don't developers look at fucking history and stop making the same mistakes over and over.
Was the first game of many that EA drove straight into the ground.
The developers at CCp are too lazy to create PvE content. They would actually have to do something. Not much fear of PvE in Eve. And not much fear of a PvE server taking all the players from PvP.
Although I do agree with the two earlier posts, If you don't want people to play PvE, and people don't want to play PvP, a seperate server is the best idea.
As long as their is enough of either to fill a populated server, it's all good.
It's not like the Eve server I played on wasn't a totally overburdened crash monkey in the first place.
It's alright imagining that you are actually playing with tens of thousands of other people, but as soon you have any game contact with more than a handful of them the server crashes.
Maybe the Chinese one is better. Who knows.
(I didn't find that the extra tens of thousands of people on my server affected gameplay in anyway. It was a purely intellectual hit. I was impressed by the network code and hardware being used. Not the difference it made to the game, which for me was precisely none).
For someone like me for whom the PvP was never an attraction and for whom the lag/server crashes was the single and only reason I unsubbed, a PvE server doesn't sound so bad.
But then since I've played the Eve PvE content, it doesn't sound so good either.
why not just offer a miner/crafter/diplomat class that can fly ships but cant attack or be attacked. no pvp on/off switch either..all or nothing.
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I know that if they ever open a new server i'd be in the first to get in there. Not having to worry about getting owned by peoples who've been playing the game for years would be really nice. BUt they will never do that ....
Be honest a PVE server would be so horribly broken it wouldn't be funny. The economy would be shit since players would rarely lose ships so the industrial side of things would slowly grind to a halt. With out the fear of losing anything gaining, the reward of gaining anything shortly goes out the window. The reason for even having a corp goes out the window as there is little to no reason to work with people as you can do most of it by yourself and being in a corp actually causes you to have a risk of someone stealing something from your corp hangers. All in all I don't think that the game will be quite as enjoyable as you think on a PVE server.
Now the Chinese server was created due to china's internet laws(not that I think many of their private citizens follow them). China requires the connections to be intra-country which is why CCP, Blizzard, etc.. have another corp managing thier servers in country. And while it did illustrate some problems with starting a new EVE server(POS Death stars before dreads are available for instance) the major problem it had was massive Chinese meta-guilds. Pre-organized multi-thousand player groups did not help EVE China. However it did show that a new server would not help the average new player that much, The main benefactors from a new server would be the people who are already organized into corps and alliances and have teh game knowledge to exploit that organization. What this means is that even if the server was reset Tomorrow on tranquility the major players would still be the same. because the likes of BoB, Red, and MC would still be there and would still be major players.
I have to agree with this. Eve, for better or worse, is a game that, by design, does not appeal to everyone. The devs don't measure success in sub numbers - as long as they're making enough money to keep the doors open and keep developing new content they seem to be happy.
I have to agree with this. Eve, for better or worse, is a game that, by design, does not appeal to everyone. The devs don't measure success in sub numbers - as long as they're making enough money to keep the doors open and keep developing new content they seem to be happy.
Yep. Designed as a FFA PvP game and wouldn't work without it. Same goes for MMOs not designed with it in mind and when they do open servers with FFA they usually suck.And anyway, seems they're making more than enough if they can buy White Wolf. :P
I can see why a game like City Of Heroes is PVE they encourage grouping for PVE.
But EVE- a PVE server I'm mystified. I never been ganked in safe space ever. I guess maybe its PVEers hauling around a fortune in cargo getting ganked in safe space?
I dont understand what PVE does this game really got beside the Agent missions. and those are in Instances so no one can be ganked in those.
weird they can get their own server but didnt realize people wanted that. I guess i can only speculate but that sounds like a really boring server too me.
crafters make so much ISK due to the corps getting their stuff blown up cant the PVEers see this?
I can understand the reasons for a seperate server [not a pve one] but its been said before that for now it is not needed as the current server can just be expanded to accomodate more people [the lag is primarily software based]. As for a PvE server well it just wont work with eve for the above reasons already stated.
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EVE does not need another "universe", (its not all on one server despite belief to the contrary) for either all PVE or to give people a chance to start over.
A new player can join today and be competitive in 3 months or less, I know, I'm doing it now.... just got to learn how to play the game properly. And the PVE aspect of EVE supports the PVP portion, neither can really survive w/o the other.
EVE is a brilliantly conceived and constructed game, and achieves remarkable balance for all its complexity.... no reason to screw with that for the sake a single niche market.....
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so the basic upshot is that if you want a space MMO with no PvP, EvE isn't for you. the game is not written with you in mind and ccp doesn't want your money.
is this so hard to understand?
i like EVE, i activate my acount to play every now and then, usually alone or with a small(3-4) group of friends, and all of us enjoy the PVE aspects of EVE much more then the occasional PVP we have to endure, so for me at least a PVE server would mean i can do my mission/RP/rat killing without the hassle of having to watch my back for some "friendly" jack who's out to do away with my fun.
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Well EvE has one server, there are just several Blades on that server. That would mean that CCP would need to make another server with several blades to support PVE combat. Not to mention figure out a way to fuel the economy on the server (since the economy is mainly PVP based) Good luck doing that again with savvy EVE players out there.
i like EVE, i activate my acount to play every now and then, usually alone or with a small(3-4) group of friends, and all of us enjoy the PVE aspects of EVE much more then the occasional PVP we have to endure, so for me at least a PVE server would mean i can do my mission/RP/rat killing without the hassle of having to watch my back for some "friendly" jack who's out to do away with my fun.
the people talking about opening a PvE server were not ccp.
[edit] the tension created by the PvP, the need to to look over your shoulder is a real, active and important part of the game. I find it amazing that people are reticent to acept this as a very important part of the game that will not change. CCP has repeatedly stated, go play "hello kitty online" if you don't like it.
there are ways you can minimise your exposure to PvP, that is the only consession that ccp offers, and if that what you want, you miss out on a lot of the fat loot.
Yeah. CCP has never said they will open a PvE server, or even considered it.
A PvE server would NOT work. The game mechanics do not allow it to work. Without the constant destruction of items/ships there would be virtually NO economy. Not to mention all there would be to do in the game would be mission running.. killing NPC pirates, and mining. That's all. The most major perk of the game is instantly taken out. There goes half the game right there.
Eve already is a pve server. Do you guys not play the game? Stay in an NPC corp, they have 0.0% tax. You mission run all day, AFK mine in 0.5, loot everything, sell it, you'll never lose a single ship unless you fall asleep during a mission. If people want 0.0 pve, well, I just don't get it? The only thing fueling the pve empire economy is all the people in 0.0 constantly replacing their ships. If noone is dieing, you're not selling jack jolly.
Isen't PvP the main part of EvE if you took that away what would you be left with? empty space and flying around doing absolutly nothing, no contests over space area, first guild to own most of the land would have it forever, that sounds pretty lame to me...
Maybe all you people that don't like the pvp side of the game, really don't like the game at all...
How can you have a space mmo without player interaction that just sounds rediculus to me
I don't play EvE personally because I couldn't make it long enuff in the boring PvE side of the game to get to the fun player interaction... So maybe I don't understand, but it seems to me like it would be the most boring game ever without PvP.
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As for the chinese server.. what people such as our learned friend Agricola1 keep forgetting is that its not owned or run by CCP.. its only up due to the change in the internet gaming laws that china brought in to combat gaming addiction. and the last reports was that the whole server is run by an isk faming alliance and has basically become a pve server. But due to the price of things (frigates there costing the same as battle ships cost on TQ from the last reports thanks to this farming alliance controling the markets) the lack of pvp and such.. the server is going under.. after all the game promiced so much and no because pvp is basically outlawed delivers not a lot.
What people don't seem to understand, or refuse to understand is that PVP and PVE are directly tied together.. without PVP the market would fail.. as no-one would be dying that much therefore the sale of ships and equipment would pretty much stop.. however without PVE, PVP would just grind to a stand still as the market prices would sky rocket due to the lack of supply. Both need each other its as pure and simple as that.. its nothing to do with "lawlz ... pvp rawks.. all carebearz r effin nubz" or "teh grifers r scared dat if a pve server was opened every1 wuld run to dat." Opening up a PVE server would just kill Eve.. The game was created as a PVP game with some very basic PVE stuff attached and over the years the PVE side of the game has grow but the game remains true to its PVP and one server roots.