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Is Richard Garriot an ego-maniac ?

Kaynos1972Kaynos1972 Member Posts: 2,316

I mean i know this guy is the creator of this game, but is it really necesseray to put his name on the game box ?  Today's games takes years and hundreds of peoples to develop.  It's not like in the 80's when it was possible for some nerd to develop a whole game by themself.

I mean if everyone was putting their name on their product, that would be weird !  Hey i bought the new Bill Gates Windows Vista operating system !!! 

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  • badgerbadgerbadgerbadger Member Posts: 148

     i did some playtesting for origins at their austin office in the 80's...

     and for me finally meeting Dennis Loubet was a bigger deal than Lord British.  And I got to muck about with Todd Porter.. but back to richard--

     He is/was "king" of the local sca folks or some such and has quite a few followers. At truth; i'm sure to some degree he IS an egomaniac...how could he NOT be? And how could he have even TRIED most of what he's succeeded in without an ego?

    but at least when i met him; he amicably chatted with a 15-yr old kid about doing tile-based wave graphics; and about crossbows.  He certainly doesn't come across as anything BUT a good fellow.  An act?

      I don't think his name on the box is about his ego - it's about marketing.

      Lord British - Richard - IS a brand. This project is so far from what tabula rasa started as (when i had acquaintances that were still developing it ); with so much turnover in people and ideas; i wonder if any outsider really has any idea how much of this is his; as opposed to the other financial backers'; idea - including slapping that brand on the box.

  • frijolesfrijoles Member Posts: 26

    I have a friend who's met him, and she thought he was pretty cool/nice. I agree with Badger.. it's all about marketing and was most likely the publisher's idea.

  • VolkmarVolkmar Member UncommonPosts: 2,501

    Sid Meyer do the same and for the same reason, both are pioneers of the gaming scene and their name is recognized by many older (and younger I would say) players.

    Why do you think "Tiger woods" golf game is called like that?

    same reason here.

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  • smartkidzsmartkidz Member Posts: 252

    Originally posted by Itanius


    It is about marketing.
    Whether you like it or not, Richard Garriott (and his brother Robert, who is the current CEO of NCsoft North America) is one of the pioneering fathers of computer RPGs and MMORPGs. He is an icon. Just look at his resume:
    Ultima I

    Ultima II

    Ultima III

    Ultima IV

    Ultima V

    Ultima VI

    Worlds of Ultima: The Savage Empire

    Ultima: Worlds of Adventure 2: Martian Dreams

    Ultima: Runes of Virtue

    Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss

    Ultima VII: The Black Gate

    Ultima VII: The Forge of Virtue

    Ultima VII Part Two: Serpent Isle

    Ultima VII Part Two: The Silver Seed

    Ultima VIII: Paga

    Ultima: Runes of Virtue II

    Ultima VIII: The Lost Vale Expansion Pack

    Ultima Online

    Ultima Online: The Second Age

    Lineage

    Ultima IX: Ascension

    Lineage II: The Chaotic Chronicle

    City of Heroes

    City of Villains

    Tabula Rasa
    He was either a programmer, designer, director, producer, or manager of those projects. Tabula Rasa is the only one with his name attached to it.
    So, yes, his name is worthy to be used as a marketing scheme. Whether it works or not is a completely different topic, and remains to be seen.

    wow i knew he made alot of games but i didn't know he made that much. Jeez he deserves his name on that box.

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  • MarkuMarku Member Posts: 452

    with his name on the box, i think you feel the game is up to his standard, which should be pretty high. the story seems well thought out, so far.

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  • Fat_BuddhaFat_Buddha Member Posts: 60

    I am in the closed beta... and lets just say... This game sucks ass.

     

    I was a die-hard UO fan for MANY years, and Richart Garriot is a legend, but Tabula Rasa Is bad.. really bad. I expected much more from such a legend.

  • BartDaCatBartDaCat Member UncommonPosts: 813

    Yeah, I'd have to say Richard "Lord British" Garriot is the mack-daddy, original gangsta godfather of the computer RPG world.  Ultima was the first PC-based RPG I ever played, and it made a convert of me back when I was a wee lad.

    I thought he had faded into the woodwork with his amassed Ultima franchise fortunes, but I cannot tell you how excited I am to see him back in the limelight again.  Although Tabula Rasa isn't exactly my kind of MMO genre, I'll probably give it a spin, mainly because it's got his name slapped on it.  Call me a sucker, I know, I admit it.

  • fozzie22fozzie22 Member Posts: 1,003

    Dear god yes..living on yesterdays dreams sadly..its chronic in the games industry

  • StellosStellos Member UncommonPosts: 1,491

    The only reason I read Tabula Rasa forums is because I found out the game was created by Richard Garriot.  I think it was an excellent idea for the man's name to be put on the box.  After what he did for MMOs with the creation of UO he really does deserve all the credit he gets.  I'm sure many, like I, will try the game based on his name.

  • TniceTnice Member Posts: 563

    Garriott is "The Man".  He can do anything he wants and deservingly so.

  • EstrusEstrus Member Posts: 357

    Doesn't he live in a castle in RL? 

    He always reminded me of the singer from Iron Maiden lol

  • Dionysus187Dionysus187 Member Posts: 302

    If he worked on CoH/V it must have been an extremely small part since hes not listed on any of the team lists.

    The whole "famous designer" crap needs to GO. they tried to do it with David Jaffe and he basically said "f**k off" cause he has the sense to know that crap is stupid, and we all know how Brad McQuaid's last project turned out. These aren't movies where a good director or producer can make or break it, and I would contest that about movies anyway.

     

    Since the NDA has been lifted, I can tell you I have been playing TR for months and at this point theres no way I'd pay $15 a month to play it. The spin on the features is really pissing me off too. This "ethical parables" stuff is stupid, I've played tons of MMOG's with similiar quests and missions and theres a reason why they don't have tons of them, their not that interesting. Battlefield Control Points, ooo haven't seen those used since 90% of the FPS games in existance.

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  • CarufinCarufin Member Posts: 92

    Originally posted by fozzie22


    Dear god yes..living on yesterdays dreams sadly..its chronic in the games industry
    Sorta like always seeing the name "Aristotle" in a discussion of philosophy....so sad.  /sarcasm off
  • KenzeKenze Member UncommonPosts: 1,217

    any grown man sporting rattails down to his ankles is most certainly a maniac

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  • ElikalElikal Member UncommonPosts: 7,912

    Kiddos, Richard Garriot is a friggin LEGEND! Much of the things ppl value in gaming today was first implemented under his leadership! I followed his career for 25 years now, and all I know about him since then tells me he is a modest man, despite his flamboyant manor and his showman style. The true thing is, of course its marketing and PR, but calling him an egomaniac... goodness, I think he has made more killer game and genre shaping games than ANY other developer! Ultima IV, VII and Underworld were HALLMARKS of gaming, and many ppl feel Ultima VII is still the unbeaten best RPG of all time! Ultima Underworld created first what we now feel as 1st person action games!

    Sure, there were always others too, and I dont know his acutal influence on TR. Trust me, in reality Garriot is quite a shy man, he only doesnt show, because he is able to play a showman. The fact alone he is the only slim gaming develovper is worth a pulitzer, haha.

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  • donaldduckdonaldduck Member UncommonPosts: 158

    Well one things for certain about having his name on the box, when this bombs hard as it will, he'll get the brunt of the blame and be lucky to work in the industry again...

  • nennafirnennafir Member UncommonPosts: 313

    Originally posted by donaldduck


    Well one things for certain about having his name on the box, when this bombs hard as it will, he'll get the brunt of the blame and be lucky to work in the industry again...

    Yeah, it's too bad.  I think he did a lot of great games way back when.  (I even played Ultima I when it first came out, and played most of the other Ultimas as well.)

    But I don't know what he's been smoking with this game.  It is a bland MMO without skill variety and a bland FPS with sticky aiming.  It is difficult to call it anything except average.  And "average"  subscription-pay-to-play MMOs coming out in the last year or so have done one thing:  fail.

    Having his name on all the boxes when it tanks isn't going to make him super-employable or anything.

  • FlummoxedFlummoxed Member Posts: 591

    I met Richard at a GenCon convention years ago, i was just attending the con as a fan and he was at the Origins booth and took the time to shoot the breeze for several minutes about games and development in general .  He just talked like some regular nerdy guy who liked computers and games, there was no sense that he thought of himself as a "legend" or some epic figure in gaming history.

     

    One charactreristic that describes him is one of the Virtues from Ultima: Humility. 

    People forget what a deeply profound philosophical adventure the Ultima series was - check it out:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtues_of_Ultima

    imo the Ultima series is a glimpse into some Life discoveries RG made when he was younger, answering for himself questions like what does it really mean to be Honorable, what really is Self Sacrifice, heavy stuff like that. 

     

  • TmacattackTmacattack Member Posts: 61

    I dunno, that many shitty games, maybe you don't deserve to have a job?

  • observerobserver Member RarePosts: 3,685
    Originally posted by donaldduck


    Well one things for certain about having his name on the box, when this bombs hard as it will, he'll get the brunt of the blame and be lucky to work in the industry again...

    You really think it will be as bad as Brad McQuaid's reputation? 

  • AbhinandaAbhinanda Member Posts: 56

    Originally posted by Itanius


    It is about marketing.
    Whether you like it or not, Richard Garriott (and his brother Robert, who is the current CEO of NCsoft North America) is one of the pioneering fathers of computer RPGs and MMORPGs. He is an icon. Just look at his resume:
    Ultima I

    Ultima II

    Ultima III

    Ultima IV

    Ultima V

    Ultima VI

    Worlds of Ultima: The Savage Empire

    Ultima: Worlds of Adventure 2: Martian Dreams

    Ultima: Runes of Virtue

    Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss

    Ultima VII: The Black Gate

    Ultima VII: The Forge of Virtue

    Ultima VII Part Two: Serpent Isle

    Ultima VII Part Two: The Silver Seed

    Ultima VIII: Paga

    Ultima: Runes of Virtue II

    Ultima VIII: The Lost Vale Expansion Pack

    Ultima Online

    Ultima Online: The Second Age

    Lineage

    Ultima IX: Ascension

    Lineage II: The Chaotic Chronicle

    City of Heroes

    City of Villains

    Tabula Rasa
    He was either a programmer, designer, director, producer, or manager of those projects. Tabula Rasa is the only one with his name attached to it.
    So, yes, his name is worthy to be used as a marketing scheme. Whether it works or not is a completely different topic, and remains to be seen.
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  • JetrpgJetrpg Member UncommonPosts: 2,347

     

    Originally posted by Itanius


    It is about marketing.
    Whether you like it or not, Richard Garriott (and his brother Robert, who is the current CEO of NCsoft North America) is one of the pioneering fathers of computer RPGs and MMORPGs. He is an icon. Just look at his resume:
    Ultima I

    Ultima II

    Ultima III

    Ultima IV

    Ultima V

    Ultima VI

    Worlds of Ultima: The Savage Empire

    Ultima: Worlds of Adventure 2: Martian Dreams

    Ultima: Runes of Virtue

    Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss

    Ultima VII: The Black Gate

    Ultima VII: The Forge of Virtue

    Ultima VII Part Two: Serpent Isle

    Ultima VII Part Two: The Silver Seed

    Ultima VIII: Paga

    Ultima: Runes of Virtue II

    Ultima VIII: The Lost Vale Expansion Pack

    Ultima Online

    Ultima Online: The Second Age

    Lineage

    Ultima IX: Ascension

    Lineage II: The Chaotic Chronicle

    City of Heroes

    City of Villains

    Tabula Rasa
    He was either a programmer, designer, director, producer, or manager of those projects. Tabula Rasa is the only one with his name attached to it.
    So, yes, his name is worthy to be used as a marketing scheme. Whether it works or not is a completely different topic, and remains to be seen.

     

    This is like saying the ceo of sony is an amazing game maker becuase sony has made a ton more games than Richard Garriott or NCSoft has. But really what has the ceo of sony done to MAKE these games, and in-turn what has Lord British done to make these listed games?

    That being said in the day he did develop and work on quite a few games, of late i know that he had his hands in TR, which is trash.  CoX had nothing to do with him , other than his company dropping some bills and selling it around the world. SAme as the CEO of sony mind you for many more games.

     

    Honestly other than ultima games what does he have they he really worked on. (played U1 U3 and U7 and you need not play the rest for sure).

    L1 and L2 he didn't even have a hand in hardly. More l2 than one.

    You can attach his names to all these games for sure, but if you wanted you could proably find an accountant or simpile programmer that has worked on more games than this.

     

    That being said, in the world of games he is famous and soon to be, if not already, infamous.

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  • prophetsprophets Member Posts: 16

    Originally posted by Jetrpg


     
    Originally posted by Itanius


    It is about marketing.
    Whether you like it or not, Richard Garriott (and his brother Robert, who is the current CEO of NCsoft North America) is one of the pioneering fathers of computer RPGs and MMORPGs. He is an icon. Just look at his resume:
    Ultima I

    Ultima II

    Ultima III

    Ultima IV

    Ultima V

    Ultima VI

    Worlds of Ultima: The Savage Empire

    Ultima: Worlds of Adventure 2: Martian Dreams

    Ultima: Runes of Virtue

    Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss

    Ultima VII: The Black Gate

    Ultima VII: The Forge of Virtue

    Ultima VII Part Two: Serpent Isle

    Ultima VII Part Two: The Silver Seed

    Ultima VIII: Paga

    Ultima: Runes of Virtue II

    Ultima VIII: The Lost Vale Expansion Pack

    Ultima Online

    Ultima Online: The Second Age

    Lineage

    Ultima IX: Ascension

    Lineage II: The Chaotic Chronicle

    City of Heroes

    City of Villains

    Tabula Rasa
    He was either a programmer, designer, director, producer, or manager of those projects. Tabula Rasa is the only one with his name attached to it.
    So, yes, his name is worthy to be used as a marketing scheme. Whether it works or not is a completely different topic, and remains to be seen.

     

    This is like saying the ceo of sony is an amazing game maker becuase sony has made a ton more games than Richard Garriott or NCSoft has. But really what has the ceo of sony done to MAKE these games, and in-turn what has Lord British done to make these listed games?

    That being said in the day he did develop and work on quite a few games, of late i know that he had his hands in TR, which is trash.  CoX had nothing to do with him , other than his company dropping some bills and selling it around the world. SAme as the CEO of sony mind you for many more games.

     

    Honestly other than ultima games what does he have they he really worked on. (played U1 U3 and U7 and you need not play the rest for sure).

    L1 and L2 he didn't even have a hand in hardly. More l2 than one.

    You can attach his names to all these games for sure, but if you wanted you could proably find an accountant or simpile programmer that has worked on more games than this.

     

    That being said, in the world of games he is famous and soon to be, if not already, infamous.

     

    I requote this, because it is accurate analysis.

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,069

    I don't know if RG is an egomaniac, but he gets far more credit than he deserves.  Some of the Ultima games were fun, specifically I liked VI, some of VII (they beat it to death) and Stygian Abyss was my favorite of the series.  Some were quite horrid and I was a much bigger fan of the Might and Magic/Wizardry game series back in the day.

    Most of the modern games people have listed like L1/L2 and COX he had little to do with.

    I won't buy a game based on his name.... he's bombed about as many times as he's had a hit.

    Even UO, revolutionary as it was, shipped as a bug filled, poorly implemented game, so much so that it won the Coaster of the Year at CGW..... and didn't fair much better a year later when it was re-reviewed.

    Sounds like he didn't learn from previous mistakes if initial beta reports are to be believed.....but hey, lets wait until its released and judge the game then for its merits and faults.....

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  • WaterVsAnchWaterVsAnch Member Posts: 15

    Honestly, TR isn't perfect, it's true.. But I'd say it has a lot more potential than Vanguard. At least TR won't be "broken" upon release (Though some may argue this). Richard is at least sticking with his project, unlike Brad who pretty much abandoned the game months before it even saw the light of day.

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