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That did it for me...
zspawn
Member Posts: 410
Hey guys,
I will not flame WoW. I really loved it, kept me company when I was studying in a foreign country with no friends due to hard studies and language I didn't know and I really invested 3 years in it.
I am currently in a guild that does Mt. Hyjal and I just got hacked 5 days ago.
Yeah, I keep a safe PC with firewall and a firewall router, antivirus, I scan my PC daily for keyloggers etc.
However, 2 days ago I logged in to find my character naked and poor.
Funny thing is, out of 3 accounts I own (one belongs to my GF the other to a close friend that quit and plays casually so I help him with his rogue) that all have the same pass to make them easy to remember, only one got hacked.
Then a friend calls me from another country to tell me he got hacked. It's odd that both our usernames start with "M". I'm not sure how the hack was done however we did not share our info with anyone, we didn't play on same PCs or even in same country. I'd say that would rule out a keylogger.
So my thought is - Either some hacking group started doing it A to Z and it was the day for "M" or there's smthn elaborate going 
Don't let me cloud ur thoughts for now,
I moved on to the usual procedure of restoring my character and the GM said that they will try to bring it back however NO GOLD - NO GEMS - NO ENCHANTS.
You realise that being in Mt.Hyjal I got a fair amount of gems + enchants that cost a lot of money. Hell, the scope on my bow alone cost me 300g.
So I said to the GM : "You are returning me a character without gems, or enchants, or gold to get them back. So what you are suggesting is I start farming 2000 gold for enchants, gemts etc. alone JUST to be what I was before the hack?"
(Not to mention all the gold I had or the bank full of consumables for raids which I spent hours farming).
The reply was a "Yeap."
My obvious reply was "Aren't you kind of FORCING me to ebay gold if I wanna stay in the game and in my guild ? Weren't you supposed to act AGAINST gold sellers?"
The reply was "That's how the game goes 
"
In anger + frustration I replied "So wtf is this some kind of controlled resetting of characters to keep the gold selling flowing and make us waste more time to get back to our original status?!?"
The reply was a worrying " " before he closed the ticket.
After emailing Blizzard to complain about the GM and to request help, I received NO reply.
My character STILL is naked.
...5 days later going to the 6th.
The game is not the best ever, its quite accessible tho and easy to get into.
It has it's flaws however I loved it and spent my precious time with it.
I can't understand why they are acting like that since we all KNOW they CAN restore everything if they want to. If the server doesn't keep record, how do they know ur gold/items/enchants/gems everytime you login ?
This just killed the game for me.
Endless raiding, wiping, farming to have income to spent on wipes just to end it all due to Blizzard's refusal to help a dedicated player.
I am paying for this game and I at least require support and safety.
I am seriously in search of different games right now even if they are not better or with better support, I owe it to myself not to be part of this mockery.
Regarding the behavior and worrying response of the GM and the suspicious silence of Blizzard, I will not say anything bad about them. To each their own, you can assume whatever you wish and draw your own conclusions.
I am only sad it had to end this way since I was really enjoying myself getting closer to Illidan and having plans about a kill before Xmas.
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They have responded up to 2 weeks later for me ...goodluck on gettign the rest of your things back.
I am sorry you got hacked and had to deal with such a retarded GM. My husband got hacked and his things (including gold and enchants) were restored within 24 hrs. I suggest making another ticket just to make sure they didn't forget about you, and I wouldn't worry too much, I am sure you will get 100% of your items returned.
Sounds like my story but when i got hacked and the guy transfered the toon off my account i go to report it and get banned...
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Played: DAoC,AC2,EvE,SWG,WAR,MXO,CoX,EQ2,L2,LOTRO,SB,UO,WoW.
I have played every MMO that has ever come out.
To all WoW players, please use the " remember user name" box on your left bottom corner when you log in. So you no need to enter your user ID everytime, thus lowering the risk. And even if you are being hack, they will only have your password.
RIP Orc Choppa
It is a sad fact that it will never be easy to recover accounts for one very good and simple reason, it would be an easy way for people to make money!!
If people knew that if their chars are hacked and stripped they will get everything back with just a simple call to a GM what is to stop anyone just logging in and stripping their own chars from another IP address then reporting it to a GM after they have given the money to a guild mate???
Blizzard make it very clear that the security of our ID's and passwords are our resposibility and although i do feel for your loss, i would be more worried about how it was hacked in the first place as it could happen again to one of your other accounts.
It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.
So your statement about Blizzard not be responisable is not true. Alot of thinks company's say will not hold up in court but since many people dont know any better nobody challenges them. Like a sign that says "play at your own risk" will not stand up in court.
OP I feel for you, that sucks and that is a crazy GM who should get fired. Blizzard can and will restore everything you lost. I know they can, they keep full track of your Char on their server. That is why you get the little saved messages every now and then. I would put in another support ticket, then i would log in one of the other accounts and put in a support ticket, then I would log in the 3rd account and put in a support ticket. I would also have everyone in your guild put in a support ticket. This way Blizzard and the GMs will know that it is important and if they delete them I would put it in again.
Sooner or Later
Sending someone i dont know 4000 gold and then saying my account was hacked is much easier to investigate (freezing the recipient of the gold for further investigation) Not doing anything for a couple of weeks investigating hacked account and then partially restoring his destroyed gear is stupid way of handling hacked accounts.. Just of the fear of exploit from players, not caring about hacked accounts is a bad excuse.
REALITY CHECK
If you have "no idea" how you got hacked and you are in the process of getting a restore, be prepaired to get hacked again.
My guess is
a) you use internet explorer
b) the account you login to your computer has administrative privileges
if so, then no amount of anti-virus and firewall is going to keep you safe and in most cases won't even detect the loggers.
You both most likely surf the same sites and clicked the same links or did something in a similar fashion. Maybe someone got into one of your email accounts and gained enough information from that. The list is pretty big about how to get into accounts from keylogging to social networking to packet sniffing. Directly hacking accounts from the blizzard server is about the least viable option someone has to actually succeed let alone get two accounts from the same person. It has also been my experience that when people share accounts with friends, it is almost always the "friend" that did it, but that is changing with the masses of unsafe surfers from WoW. Who knows.
Consider how many account names must start with the letter M out of the 9 million customers WoW has and compare it to your two accounts. Then consider that you do share your information with multiple people, use a weak password scheme (the same for all accounts) and you are restoring your accounts without fixing the problem (something I have seen 2 other people I know do, only to get hacked again the next day)
Seeing all that I can be fairly certain that you are the cause of your own problems even if you don't think you are. I'm not saying this to be mean or troll. Just that you fit a certain pattern and getting mad at the GMs is not a very good way to handle it. I remember how Sony used to do it back in the day. They would hand you a bag full of terrible "leg up" gear, pat you on the head and you would be out everything you ever had. Blizzard is doing a pretty good job of restoring stuff for people who are not only unsafe but violating the terms of service.
i feel for you m8 losing all your items and gold,Everyone knows how long it takes to get kited out well in end-game not to forget the time it takes to get a nice sum in gold.The fact is I also have had a few things I needed help with from GMs and more than once I had 1 GM saying they couldnt help so I would send in another ticket and the next GM saying nps I can do that for you.I think if you get 1 with a headache/bad-day they really cant be arsed and that sounds like the 1 you had.Like a few have posted I would send in another ticket till you get your gear back,Though I must admit I know quite a few ppl in game that have been hacked and never heard of anyone getting there gold back
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
Ops forgot to say that its not MY two accounts as u noticed.
But mine and a friends with I only talk through msn regularly.
Keep in mind that my pass is a 12 character string with random numbers and letters.
I also requested from my ISP an access log of my email saying some very valuable financial information might have been compromised. After some pressure and being stubborn and yelling a bit, they sent me one.
The usual email activity of myself, checking 2-3 times a day (morning/lunch/when i get home) for the past 2-3 weeks and all from the same IP. Mine.
Email was not compromised, PC was not compromised.
I know that some will still troll and say 'noobs get hacked' but I do believe every now and then there's something fishy going on.
This in conjuction with the lack of willingless of GMs to help only raises an eyebrow.
" Easy way to make money?" - In a game where gold selling and character trading/selling is thriving I'm really curious how being strict with a compromised account is gonna help. As if the 500g or so that could be made from my vendored character would influence the game's economy and I'd exploit it, however the millions of gold flowing through the game from gold farmers and sites are not.
Please, at least respect the subscribers intelligence Blizzard, as someone said before in this thread, thats lame :P
Those keylogger programs can be absolutely insidious. They can hide them in anything. I have had several friends hacked from downloaded keyloggers they got from mods. Curse gaming tries to run a clean site, but they can't catch everything.
Just to make sure that I got the keylogger, I would reformat my hard drive and reinstall Vista. It is really the only way to be sure. Change the usernames and passwords for all of your accounts. Make sure each is at least 8 digits, both letters and numbers. If they are using a random username generator after acquiring your password with a keylogger, this will help. Go to Blizzard's technical forums and ask for help in making your account more secure. They will help you.
"Those who dislike things based only on the fact that they are popular are just as shallow and superficial as those who only like them for the same reason."
So your statement about Blizzard not be responisable is not true. Alot of thinks company's say will not hold up in court but since many people dont know any better nobody challenges them. Like a sign that says "play at your own risk" will not stand up in court.
OP I feel for you, that sucks and that is a crazy GM who should get fired. Blizzard can and will restore everything you lost. I know they can, they keep full track of your Char on their server. That is why you get the little saved messages every now and then. I would put in another support ticket, then i would log in one of the other accounts and put in a support ticket, then I would log in the 3rd account and put in a support ticket. I would also have everyone in your guild put in a support ticket. This way Blizzard and the GMs will know that it is important and if they delete them I would put it in again.
Nope your wrong.. read WoW's EULA and TOS (any other MMO's for that matter), they all basicly say "its your responsibility to keep your account details safe", we are not talking about some 1 hacking WoW servers to get these details.. only in that regard would blizzard be responsible and if they ever happened we would hear about it.
If you lose your keys to your rented appartment and some 1 steals all your stuff.. is the landlord to blame? no your are for not keeping your keys safe.
The OP got hacked, there are so many ways to get hacked these days, so ultimatly the OP is to blame... his actions (what ever they were) lead to his details beening stolen... it means nothing that he had anti-virus + firewall + firefox + daily checks.
I am sorry, but that is the most stupid statement i have ever heard in my life. Blizzard is responsible if your machine gets keylogged? Blizzard is responsible if you give your username and password to a power leveller?? Blizzard is responsible if you just give your account away and then decide that you want it back???
WE are responsible for our own security. If someone hacked Blizzards servers and stole all of our usernames and passwords you may have a case, but other than that all of your legal squawking is just mad!
It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.
Well, I have to ask, because I didn't see it in your post: Are you on EU or US? I was on the US version of WoW, and never had any problems with the GM. They were always really nice about things (this was back in late 2006), of course now I wouldn't know, since I no longer play. However, when I was a victim of my account being hacked, I contacted the hijacked support and I had to go through a week long ID verification that they make you fax in or send through the mail. I wasn't too sure about going through with it at first, because you have to send in some pretty meaty information about yourself. It wasn't pretty, but it took about "5" faxes of my information to Blizzard, before getting my account reactivated from it being suspended, so they could investigate further.
I'm not certain how they run thing as of late, since again, I no longer play. I'm really wondering how your account managed to get hacked, if you have all of that protection, and you weren't in an internet cafe at the time. All I can think of is a Keylogger or a Trojan that is currently undetectable, sadly, there are some out there as such. All I am getting at is, don't underestimate what you download or click on, even if you're using Firefox (which is already a smart move on your end) or are sure of what you downloaded and installed. I have another question: Are you on LAN? Network of some kind? My brother and I were talking the other day, and he mentioned that someone hacked into his Network from WiFi access. You can be protected from it, but you would need to turn off a certain option in your Router. All routers are different, so I can't really tell you the exact option. So, the person that hacked into the network pretty much stole most of his information, files, etc.
You can never be too safe out there. Someone can be sitting outside your home, and just log right into your LAN with out you knowing, regardless of how much protection you have. No matter the firewall, anything can be bypassed with knowledge. Yes, in some places, there are people that go around and scour neighborhoods for access to certain WiFi nodes to hack into. You said you have a router? Well, that right there somewhat makes me wonder. You may not think it can happen where you are, but you would be surprised. I'd say go into your router preferences (usually access from: 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1 in your browser, you'll need to consult your router manual) and turn off anything that mentions "WiFi", "Remote connect", "Wireless 'Anything'." Be sure you don't have the "DMZ" active for any LAN IP address. Make sure you have a Username and Password set for your router, and not the factory default.
You may already know these things I've mentioned above. And I know it isn't really helping you get your WoW account back, though, I'm just helping you to be more protected for the next time something like this happens. Because it could've not been a group (as you mentioned) hacking into all WoW accounts from A-Z. It could have very well been someone on your network, or from your friends network, and found you. I know you mentioned the other accounts didn't get hacked, that had the same passwords on them. However, did those accounts have anything REALLY important on them? How are you sure they didn't get hacked? Someone could have hacked into the accounts, and not care about a single item or gold on them. I did find it strange that your main account was hacked and you were left naked/poor. Are you very sure that your friends/girlfriend are telling you the truth? They could've stripped your character naked of its belongings, and not even peep a word of it, like it never happened. I'm being serious here. Look at all the possibilities first, then go to the conclusions, then the hard evidence.
I'm not trying to start anything between you and your friends. However, I'd go back and check them out again. As for Blizzard being that way, well, again I don't know if you are on EU or US, or what. I guess they're all different though, and have different ways of doing things? Don't quote me on that, as I've only experienced the US version. And have had a good experience with Blizzard when I was playing. You aren't the only one with this experience though, I've surely seen other people that have problems with Blizzard support. I mean, they're good with solving most issues, though, when it comes to "Hijacking" reports, they have to investigate everything. Sometimes they don't know who to trust right then and there, until they look further into the problem at hand. I do agree, that GM was being an asshole, I don't see how Blizzard can hire such people. It's like they don't believe you, and you're left with trying to figure out everything on your own. That isn't support! "Support" means to HELP someone, hello? Not leave them hanging.
This is obviously getting too long. I'll just leave it at: I'm really sorry to see that happen to your account, and it does happen to a lot of people. If you decide to quit, well, that is your choice. I personally played since release, up until about 5 months ago, and I've felt like a better person since I quit WoW. I'm waiting for Warhammer Online, which will hopefully win over the hearts of some ex-WoW players, like me. If you continue with WoW to get back on your feet, well good on you for the continued dedication. Decide your fate, and follow on to it.
Good Day!
I agree.
If account information is stolen from Blizzard, then they should/would be responsible.
If their code created a security vulnerability to their clients, then they would also need to assume some responsibility.
In the end, we are responsible for our own security, however.
If their client code does not natively provide the keylogger or malware (and is solid) and they are secure on their side (user/account information), then they have pretty much done what they are required to do.
IF they choose to recover 'stolen' in game property/currency for you, then that's an act of 'good will' on their part. It's customer service. More than likely, this will be the choice of the customer service rep that you come in contact with.
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All in all, you need to know what you are doing when you attach you connect to the internet. That's all on you.
lol you should play LOTRO, if you put a ticket up the time you have to wait for a response is 5 to 10 minutes. it takes 2 days for blizzard? LOL
Ok starting from first question.
I'm on EU.
Anyhow all these things you mentioned (router bla bla bla) are all CHANGED and setup for ultimate security. Even my network isn't something like 192.168.x.x cause of how all routers are that and it's a violator's first guess if you wanna hack into some router.
Wi-fi disabled, bla bla bla don't wanna get into details I know what you mean and it's already done.
Anyhow none of my friends that play WoW live in the same country and they don't even know my username (i use a completely different one and got a special email setup for this account from my ISP used for WoW alone to maximize security).
I did this since I was really into the game and serious about it so I wanted maximum security for what I was spending so much time on.
In fact if I had any loose ends I'd just shut up about it. However my system, my accounts and everything here is setup as it should be as safe as possible.
I'm pretty sure it's quite safe (unless really someone needs to get to me then everythin is possible) but from random attacks I'm pretty bulletproof. I might seem certain about this but I am since I myself built several gaming centers in different countries and the oldest one is operating for the 7th year now and never had -1- similar situation (keep in mind that more than 200 people visit it a day and play MMORPGs and no one ever complained abt something going wrong).
The reason it is so strange about my accounts is that, the one that got hacked ONLY had my lvl 70 hunter which I'm raiding and some level 13 warlock toon which was also stripped naked (yay someone earned around 50s with this one!).
However the other accounts were, in my opinion more valuable!
One actually has 2 level 70s (rogue and druid) that I help my mate get them PvP specced so they are both like 2 gladiators and 2 merciless and stacks of heavy knothide leather and ore since its what he does for income on his characters.
This account also had a lvl 49 twinked mage!
Now the 3rd account belonging to my GF that quit the game 2 months ago has a Karazhan geared resto shaman and a bank full of herbs and pots/flasks!
(No before you say smthn we are still together no reason for her to get back at me
)
The funny thing is
out of 3 accounts, my own was the safest. No one knew about its details, I never shared it with someone bla bla
The other two at least me and someone else knew about them yet they are still safe and their passes remain unchanged.
In conclusion, if you were to STEAL my character, you'd go for the tier5 hunter.
If you were to make money out of me you'd go for the other accounts...
That's what makes it even weirder.
I also wanted to mention that I just checked out my other MMO accounts.
Yes Lotro is untouched (got lifetime membership at it won it somewhere), Guild wars is also untouched the rest I can't be bothered since you can't login unless you renew them :P
From where I'm standing the game is too much of a fuss to get back on track unless I get fully restored.
I still await for any kind of response in game or via email from Blizzard
So your statement about Blizzard not be responisable is not true. Alot of thinks company's say will not hold up in court but since many people dont know any better nobody challenges them. Like a sign that says "play at your own risk" will not stand up in court.
OP I feel for you, that sucks and that is a crazy GM who should get fired. Blizzard can and will restore everything you lost. I know they can, they keep full track of your Char on their server. That is why you get the little saved messages every now and then. I would put in another support ticket, then i would log in one of the other accounts and put in a support ticket, then I would log in the 3rd account and put in a support ticket. I would also have everyone in your guild put in a support ticket. This way Blizzard and the GMs will know that it is important and if they delete them I would put it in again.
Nope your wrong.. read WoW's EULA and TOS (any other MMO's for that matter), they all basicly say "its your responsibility to keep your account details safe", we are not talking about some 1 hacking WoW servers to get these details.. only in that regard would blizzard be responsible and if they ever happened we would hear about it.
If you lose your keys to your rented appartment and some 1 steals all your stuff.. is the landlord to blame? no your are for not keeping your keys safe.
The OP got hacked, there are so many ways to get hacked these days, so ultimatly the OP is to blame... his actions (what ever they were) lead to his details beening stolen... it means nothing that he had anti-virus + firewall + firefox + daily checks.
well check LOTRO, DDO, and other games forums, i don't see anyone there complaining about getting hacked, while on WOW forums it happens everyday someone getting his account hacked, doesn't this means the problem, is a blizzard security issue?
So your statement about Blizzard not be responisable is not true. Alot of thinks company's say will not hold up in court but since many people dont know any better nobody challenges them. Like a sign that says "play at your own risk" will not stand up in court.
OP I feel for you, that sucks and that is a crazy GM who should get fired. Blizzard can and will restore everything you lost. I know they can, they keep full track of your Char on their server. That is why you get the little saved messages every now and then. I would put in another support ticket, then i would log in one of the other accounts and put in a support ticket, then I would log in the 3rd account and put in a support ticket. I would also have everyone in your guild put in a support ticket. This way Blizzard and the GMs will know that it is important and if they delete them I would put it in again.
Nope your wrong.. read WoW's EULA and TOS (any other MMO's for that matter), they all basicly say "its your responsibility to keep your account details safe", we are not talking about some 1 hacking WoW servers to get these details.. only in that regard would blizzard be responsible and if they ever happened we would hear about it.
If you lose your keys to your rented appartment and some 1 steals all your stuff.. is the landlord to blame? no your are for not keeping your keys safe.
The OP got hacked, there are so many ways to get hacked these days, so ultimatly the OP is to blame... his actions (what ever they were) lead to his details beening stolen... it means nothing that he had anti-virus + firewall + firefox + daily checks.
well check LOTRO, DDO, and other games forums, i don't see anyone there complaining about getting hacked, while on WOW forums it happens everyday someone getting his account hacked, doesn't this means the problem, is a blizzard security issue?
No it just means that WoW is far more popular with millions more people to hack than DDO and LOTRO put together. Plus we aint talking about WoW being hacked or being insecure, some 1 got hold of the OP's details and logged into WoW using those, mostly likey via a keylogger.
Have a little patience and your problem will be resolved in a thorough manner. Demand that it gets fixed immediately and you will get just that, a "quick" fix that simply gets you off their back. Put in 3 or more tickets is a SURE way to make sure that GM's do the minimum to help you. Trust me, I work for a support team and while the squeeky wheel gets the grease, it gets the cheapest grease we can find that just stops the squeek and does nothing to fix the root cause. Give us the time we need to fix the root cause and we'll find it and fix it.
Sounds like the OP was up to date on his security, so if I had to guess a root cause I'd say it was the mods he downloaded (since he said he was a hardcore raider, they all use them to some extent)
Even your virus scanners won't catch a keylogger hidden in a mod because you give the mod permission to execute everything inside of it when you agree to install it.
My son has picked up keyloggers on several occasions from mods and recently lost all his gold (but not his gear) from what we believe to be one of his "friends" who he shared account info with. (I had strongly encouraged him never to share his account info)
He turned in a ticket but the Blizzard GM who contacted him said they would not restore his gold. (I'm sure from their perspective it probably looked like a scam since the gold probably went to someone who he had previously traded with)
Unfortunately, they won't share who the gold went to...so he's out of luck and starting over at earning his gold back all over again....(he lost about 3 plat)
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Have a little patience and your problem will be resolved in a thorough manner. Demand that it gets fixed immediately and you will get just that, a "quick" fix that simply gets you off their back. Put in 3 or more tickets is a SURE way to make sure that GM's do the minimum to help you. Trust me, I work for a support team and while the squeeky wheel gets the grease, it gets the cheapest grease we can find that just stops the squeek and does nothing to fix the root cause. Give us the time we need to fix the root cause and we'll find it and fix it.
Well If GMs did what they need to do to fix the issues the first time around then we would not have to do this. I played WoW for 2 years and I know that I need 2 or more tickets in the system to get any kind of GM support. If you put in one and just wait it will be days before anything is done. If you put in more then one support ticket with the same issue, it gets looked at faster.
Also for the most part GMs are helpful but there are some that dont do anything at all for the players, this is why putting in more then one ticket helps and for this issue after the first GM did little to help this player, then yes I would recommend putting in as many support tickets as possiable. GM have a job to do, if they dont do them then they should be held accountable which they rarely are.
Most WoW GMs are GMs only so they have the special GM powers, not to help players anyways, so if we can make their life a living hell i am all for it. I have more then once been told, so sorry I can help you, when it was a simple fix that needed to be done.
Second EULA is not an end all be all, it has failed to stand up in the court system in the past and it has won in the past. EULA is just something that will keep most of the player base from doing anything as most believe that it is set in stone and will work for anything, which is simply not true.
Everyone has seen those signs that say "We are not response for any lost items in your car" that will NOT hold up in court but it is put there because most people will just assume it is true.
Sooner or Later
On the GM issue.. i have had to talk to maybe 3 GMs in my 2.5 years in WoW all been nice as pie. GM's are there todo a job and are no doubt on quota's to help x amount of people in a day, so getting several tickets for the same issue probably does upset them to a degree.. not that its acceptable ofc.
As a coincidence I talked to a GM the other night (see pic), even at 2.30am my ticket was answered in less then 10 minuets.
I was hacked once playing WOW and it was the reason, well one of the reasons I quit playing as well. The GM was nice and professional and helped me as much as he could. In the end I got back my gold, but lost my gear. I found myself playing less and finally just canceled my account. I may start it up again once the snow starts flying here in North Dakota, but I will cut and paste my username and password from a random document to further secure my info.
I got the keylogger from a mod, if I play again I will go mod-less, I dont pvp or raid so it shouldnt be too rough. haha
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