OP, i can see how you feel... but i still haven't found a good PVP MMO (GW is not an MMO IMO)... I played very little DAOC, but i heard it was/is probably the best for PVP ATM. Waiting on WAR.
EQ2 was not created around PVP. They introduced a PVP "system" after. But, i do play on a PVP server. I play on VOX (mostly because it's the only light server).
It's not perfect for sure. Garbage? No... Let's say it's just an OK pvp system.
I have fun. Sure, i get ganked. But the beauty is... you can go get revenge. Start a guild group and give em hell
I'm sorry, but there is no such thing as "civilized pvp".
Oh, and my main PVP guy is a Brigand so i'm only effective in group.
a brigand is a scout with stealth, tracking and evac. 3 of the some of the most important things on a pvp server. endgame brigs are a pain solo or grouped, not just endgame, any well played brigand can be a fearsome opponent. not sure how you play yours, but you have just as much chance in solo pvp as any class in the game.
a brigand is a scout with stealth, tracking and evac. 3 of the some of the most important things on a pvp server. endgame brigs are a pain solo or grouped, not just endgame, any well played brigand can be a fearsome opponent. not sure how you play yours, but you have just as much chance in solo pvp as any class in the game.
I PVP in groups, always. And always grouped with guildies. We group and go out adventuring... Now if the Qs want to mess with us, GL to them
thats great, and it also sounds like your an endgame player where pvp is in a much better situation. kudos to you for not farming green players that dont have a chance. however my post, is a warning to anyone that hasnt tried eq2 pvp servers. i will say, with all of my heart, eq2 is a great pve game.
You know what? After years of hearing people moan and complain like the OP, you get kind of sick to death of hearing it, and you get defensive. Join or not, its your choice, but it does have a great community. It also has a community that has seen far too many games ruined by the demands of PvP.
Just to back up this comment. I have to agree that regardless of what people like or dislike about the PVP in this game, the community is second to none. Don't let any comments in this post deter you from you starting this game. My one suggestion would be: Even if you are planning to play on a PvP server in EQ2, roll on a PvE server first so you can get the hang of the game and learn where to level and how to make money and use AA to your advantage. I rolled my first character on a PVP server and found out quickly that I needed to learn more before I tried to hang with the "cool kids" on Nagafen.
I played on Nagafen when it first came out. I came back and am playing again. What the OP says is exaggerated but factual.
EQ2's main problem is it encourages and rewards crap fights. Everyone who has any experience and knowledge of the title and status system knows this.
The main bone of contention is that you have a bunch of people fooling themselves that the game is challening all the while they kill what in PvE would con gray to farm status/faction and titles. They this makes the game hardcore and difficult those who are not wrapped up in the game recognize it is in fact the opposite. These people believe that since they have good stuff that took some effort they should therefore get good stuff for farming grays.
If this logic were applied to PvE and raids gave crap gear and down arrows gave great gear there would be riots in the streets
The situation is essentially insane. You have a constiuency of people who believe that by essentially hazing people the PvP is somehow "hard" and all the while viciously defend what makes the PvP painfully and boringly easy. They believe that punishment is what makes things and that this very "hardness" justifies them having it easy.
Its completely disfunctional. The amount of cognitive dissonance is amazing although not really surprising.
As for the community I am not certain what you guys are talking about 50% is complete trash, worse even than barrens chat on WoW the other half is pretty good.
I still dont understand why all those idiots with twinks are bashing the op telling him to go back to wow.
Go try some other games with real end-game pvp like shadowbane or daoc before u post crap like that. U think u r 1337 just cause u r killing newbs? U actually think having w/e title on a lvl 17 player means something? Go play with the big boys imo and prove your skill against them.
I dont play eq2 and havent tried it yet, but in my eyes forcing a new player to twink his first toon just so he can compete in starting lvls seems absolutely retarded to me!
I still dont understand why all those idiots with twinks are bashing the op telling him to go back to wow.
Go try some other games with real end-game pvp like shadowbane or daoc before u post crap like that. U think u r 1337 just cause u r killing newbs? U actually think having w/e title on a lvl 17 player means something? Go play with the big boys imo and prove your skill against them.
I dont play eq2 and havent tried it yet, but in my eyes forcing a new player to twink his first toon just so he can compete in starting lvls seems absolutely retarded to me! Flame away....
My thoughts exactly. They think they're tough because they play King in Candy Land. All those guys are the kind of people who would quit a real pvp game because they don't win ALL THE TIME, and due to unfair and crappy circumstances, which makes things even worse. It's ok if you people like EQ 2 PvP, but all your "hard work" means nothing apart from having wasted countless hours to remove all the fun out of the damn thing for people who want to join in. If the PvP was so awesome, then you'd see people like the OP going on without caring about doing all those silly things "required" to enjoy that aspect of the game.
As for the community I am not certain what you guys are talking about 50% is complete trash, worse even than barrens chat on WoW the other half is pretty good.
Do you have characters on any servers besides the PVP servers? I would agree that 50% of the PvP servers are less than desireable, but on all of my other servers the community is excellent. It's the PvP that brings down the quality of the community when you have people constantly battling to save their precious titles.
As for the community I am not certain what you guys are talking about 50% is complete trash, worse even than barrens chat on WoW the other half is pretty good.
Do you have characters on any servers besides the PVP servers? I would agree that 50% of the PvP servers are less than desireable, but on all of my other servers the community is excellent. It's the PvP that brings down the quality of the community when you have people constantly battling to save their precious titles.
I meant nagafen specifically.
As to someone who said they want to be king in Candy Land. Someone posted this in the EQ2 forum and some of the jobbers there basically said exactly that in different a way and rephrased to say they are "heroes" for slaughtering people. Its such an amazing amount of self absorbed insanity. They honestly believe that the game can both have people who can slaughter whole armies and also be "hard" or challenging. I mean that is beyond stupid. That is willfully disregarding contradictions.
These think they are so awesome and hardcore to, but all they are is jobbers. Its tragic.
I still dont understand why all those idiots with twinks are bashing the op telling him to go back to wow.
Go try some other games with real end-game pvp like shadowbane or daoc before u post crap like that. U think u r 1337 just cause u r killing newbs? U actually think having w/e title on a lvl 17 player means something? Go play with the big boys imo and prove your skill against them.
I dont play eq2 and havent tried it yet, but in my eyes forcing a new player to twink his first toon just so he can compete in starting lvls seems absolutely retarded to me! Flame away....
Ganking lowbies requires 0 skill IMHO and is not what I would consider real pvp , in fact most of the games I`ve played have the option to pk at low levels but most players don`t bother with it unti later on in the game.
I think the problem is that there isn`t a substantial consequence for pk in order to maintain a balance that would ensure that people don`t spawn camp or spend all of their time involved in pk at low levels. Sound like they didn`t think their system through very well.
This is far from being a true pvp system and it sounds like it more involves a bunch of kids who have yet to make it through puberty trying to flex their e peen by murdering lowbies .
I like EQ 2 overall but I have never tried the pvp aspect of the game ,which I was considering but after reading these posts it doesen`t sound like a very competitive environment , and IMHO gear based pvp success sucks anyway its all about money not skill.
They could never get away with this kind of nonsense in a real pvp based game , take 2 Moons ( Dekaron ) for example. There is no such thing as a seperate server for PVE and PK , and you can kill anyone anywhere at anytime and it`s brutal open pk.
But there is a catch , if you go around murdering players you start to aquire points , once you have over 500 points and another player kills you , you go to the castle dungeon which is an actual jail. There you will stand behind bars with other morons who like to go around ganking lowbies until you have put in enough time to reduce your points which could be 12 hours or more.
You can`t level up or do anything in jail . you have to be connected to the game also in order for your time to be served out so your prettty much screwed for a few days doing nothing. You also have the option to pay to get out but it`s such a huge amount of money most people can`t afford it. You also can`t use the npc`s or teleports either if you have to many pk points and if you try to go into the castle areas the guards will chase you down and kill you on site. There is no such thing as scrolls or soap to get rid of points either.
None of this applies to self defense pk or consentual pvp etc , it`s simply designed to keep higher level or better equipped players from killing lowbies over and over again , which they do often regardless of the system until they go to jail then they usualy change their ways after losing a few days of leveling time.
It`s a very well thought out system and it works quite well , the game overall has some of the best pvp , pk to date but unfortunately it`s popularity is on the fence right now with western players becuase of the typical asian exp problems which seems to be the ongoing dilema but there has been alot of talk bout it becoming more westernized in the future. Not for the faint of heart , you won`t find a Fairy land with lv 14 noobs ganging newbies yelling out " This is Spartaaaaa" over the shout every 5 minutes.
thats great, and it also sounds like your an endgame player where pvp is in a much better situation. kudos to you for not farming green players that dont have a chance. however my post, is a warning to anyone that hasnt tried eq2 pvp servers. i will say, with all of my heart, eq2 is a great pve game.
My "main" is lvl 26. I have other toons that i want to lvl also... To us (guildies), PVP is part of the game. We actually just started EQ2 and we can be pretty mean in PVP if Qs mess with us
I still dont understand why all those idiots with twinks are bashing the op telling him to go back to wow.
Go try some other games with real end-game pvp like shadowbane or daoc before u post crap like that. U think u r 1337 just cause u r killing newbs? U actually think having w/e title on a lvl 17 player means something? Go play with the big boys imo and prove your skill against them.
I dont play eq2 and havent tried it yet, but in my eyes forcing a new player to twink his first toon just so he can compete in starting lvls seems absolutely retarded to me! Flame away....
Right, END GAME PVP (which, by the way, Shadowbane doesn't fit into... you start PvPing in Shadowbane pretty early on and are in a world with PvP is FFA once you leave the beginning continent). If you're going to compare the PvP of EQ2 to something, then you need to compare it to similar concepts.
Let's compare DAoC's battlegrounds (start at very low levels now).
How different are they when it comes to equipment? None whatsoever. Both are heavily equipment based for most classes, though casters tend to rely on it a lot less.
How different are they when it comes to alternative advancement/realm points? None whatsoever. Both make players with these items more powerful.
To the OP, I have to say that if you think EQ2's PvP is the worst because of the time investment and ability to twink lower levels, then I'd have to completely disagree with your assumption that you've been playing similar PvP games in the last 7 years. You cannot compare EQ2's PvP to DAoC's end-game RvR (noticed it's called RvR, not PvP...) since you can PvE your way to the level cap without any problems. Compare it to DAoC's battlegrounds, which happen at much earlier levels, WoW's FFA servers, and other games with FFA servers. You will find in all situations that the problems you bring up occur in every single one of those situations and are not just an issue with EQ2.
The diference with EQ2 is that the twink squads tend to be in the first 20 levels and leveling past that is extremely easy. The concept of gankers lives in every single PvP game out there. Take your level 30 character in DAoC into the frontier and you can bet there will be plenty of level 50s out there that are RR5+ ready to kill you in one shot.
I still dont understand why all those idiots with twinks are bashing the op telling him to go back to wow.
Go try some other games with real end-game pvp like shadowbane or daoc before u post crap like that. U think u r 1337 just cause u r killing newbs? U actually think having w/e title on a lvl 17 player means something? Go play with the big boys imo and prove your skill against them.
I dont play eq2 and havent tried it yet, but in my eyes forcing a new player to twink his first toon just so he can compete in starting lvls seems absolutely retarded to me! Flame away....
Right, END GAME PVP (which, by the way, Shadowbane doesn't fit into... you start PvPing in Shadowbane pretty early on and are in a world with PvP is FFA once you leave the beginning continent). If you're going to compare the PvP of EQ2 to something, then you need to compare it to similar concepts.
Let's compare DAoC's battlegrounds (start at very low levels now).
How different are they when it comes to equipment? None whatsoever. Both are heavily equipment based for most classes, though casters tend to rely on it a lot less.
How different are they when it comes to alternative advancement/realm points? None whatsoever. Both make players with these items more powerful.
To the OP, I have to say that if you think EQ2's PvP is the worst because of the time investment and ability to twink lower levels, then I'd have to completely disagree with your assumption that you've been playing similar PvP games in the last 7 years. You cannot compare EQ2's PvP to DAoC's end-game RvR (noticed it's called RvR, not PvP...) since you can PvE your way to the level cap without any problems. Compare it to DAoC's battlegrounds, which happen at much earlier levels, WoW's FFA servers, and other games with FFA servers. You will find in all situations that the problems you bring up occur in every single one of those situations and are not just an issue with EQ2.
The diference with EQ2 is that the twink squads tend to be in the first 20 levels and leveling past that is extremely easy. The concept of gankers lives in every single PvP game out there. Take your level 30 character in DAoC into the frontier and you can bet there will be plenty of level 50s out there that are RR5+ ready to kill you in one shot.
uhh...
i never once said that the pvp in every game in the last 7 years was the same......
I said...
Ive played EVERY game that has been released in the LAST 7 YEARS that had PVP and EQ2 pvp is the WORST ive ever seen for EVERY reason, not just because of low level twinks. You *CLEARLY* didnt read the post so why do you feel compelled to comment? Why do people always do that? /sigh
Trust me, its not just low level pvp in eq2, eventhough that is the worst part about it. The whole damn system is complete trash and thats how i feel. Ive never even felt like i should warn others about a 100% total waste of money but in this situation, i did. This game is the bottom of the barrel when it comes to pvp. I would really rather play a F2P with item-purchase and thats about the biggest insulting remark i can give.
As soon as you hit level ten you will be pvp enabled for good....there will be level-locked twinks camping every griffon (flight path), city door, EVERY low level zone and just about anywhere you go thats not in your city. These level-locked twinks arnt like WoW twinks in BGs. The twinks in EQ2 can take out full groups of normal players solo.
Only at the lower levels. As opposed to a level 50 doing that from levels 1 to 40 or 50 in other games.
If you mess up and roll the wrong class...solo pvp is totally out of the question for you.
EQ2 is not a solo PvP game. It is a group-based PvP game. Much like other PvP games where you get killed quickly by groups when you solo. At the early levels you can level pretty fast even solo, but after level 20 you should have a guild or a group of friends and try and stick with them.
There are no battlegrounds and the only way to find pvp if you WANT to find it is run around aimlessly looking for an even fight.
Or... go to the dungeons appropriate for your level, which is where everyone goes for the best loot and experience.
Scouts have a skill called tracking so if they come anywhere near your area your name will pop up on their list and they (and their group of twinks) will come straight to you and 1-2 shot you instantly. This happens over and over and over and over and over.
And they must follow you through every single spot on every single continent. I understand that gankers exist, but to belittle what happens in EQ2 in comparison to other open PvP games is ridiculous. This happens must more often and on a much worse level in other PvP games, such as DAoC's FFA server and Shadowbane.
You will ask WTF in general chat and you will be met with rude comments about how you need to learn to "twink" yourself and fight back. So...thats what i did. I spent a month running around noob zones harvesting materials to sell on the broker.
Rather than just leveling up... in 10 levels you're going to want new gear anyway. And, do you really think most people are just saving up money to buy gear when they could just go and loot the gear themself in much less time? I mean, if everyone is just scrounging for money to twink themself, who's supplying all of the stuff that people buy and why aren't you out there contesting them for these items?
You cant really farm nameds if your not twinked (or the right class) because you will have to fight twinks for the nameds. In this game 90% of the instances your enemies can enter....now this sounds fun...but trust me...its total crap.
So... having to compete against people with better gear is something you don't want to do? Or, you can't just use tactics with the right friends to overcome their group? You're complaining that people are more organized than you?
About 1 or 2 times an hour normally you will harvest a rare that will sell for 20ish gold. That sounds great! well...to buy a level 12 mastercrafted chest piece it will cost you over 1 plat...that is over 100g....at level 12........ Thats just one piece of armor and you will need mastercrafted or legendary in EVERY slot if you want to kill ANYONE 1v1...no wait....if you want to have the CHANCE to kill anyone.
Again, 1v1? This game is far from being about 1v1. And, just to have the chance to kill anyone? Total BS. Yes, the game is focused on improving a character with spell levels and items, but it's not so great that a scout in not all legendary equipment and with adept I abilities couldn't take on others. Now, can he take on someone specifically designed for 1v1 as a class and equipment? No. But, that's not the whole game and it sounds like you're letting the few who want the game to be 1v1 bog down the game and drag you into their own game. They're going to win because they have created something specific for 1v1 or ganking. But get in a group, come back and kill them. One person isn't going to take on a small group of equal level players all on their own no matter how well equipped they are (well... unless the group has no idea what they're doing...).
If you cant find a group....your not going to do anything...because in this game, on pvp servers if your not grouped (no matter if your twinked or not) you have no chance...at all...period. Soloists consider yourself warned unless you choose to gank new players 24/7 like the rest of the total population. Back to the armor...after you come up with the ton of cash you need to buy the armor...then you will need full jewelery and adornments...so keep harvesting buddy.
We've found our issue! Of course you're going to need a group. And, as I mentioned above, by level 20, which is easy to get to, you should have a guild or at least some friends. If not, then you're missing the social aspect of the game and the fact that EQ2 in general is not designed for soloers but for groups and guilds
Now, in this game...everytime you get a new skill it will be apprentice 1. Here is the spell order of upgrades...
Apprentice 1 (given for free)
Apprentice 2 (player crafted and total crap)
Apprentice 3 (player crafted and total crap)
Apprentice 4 (player crafted and total crap)
Adept 1 (loot drop and crap)
there are no adept 2s....that makes sense.........not!
Adept 3 (player crafted very expensive and will be the minimum if you want to do any damage to a pvper whatsoever)
Master 1 (rare loot from named mobs)
Master 2 (every 15 levels or so you will get a popup on screen and you can choose 1 spell to upgrade to master2 for free)
You have to upgrade EACH and EVERY spell that you wish to use in pvp. This is not just combat arts, buffs, debuffs, ALL of it. So...keep harvesting buddy.
So freaking biased, it's not even funny. Everything but adept III+ is crap? Sure, if you plan on doing everything solo. But the majority of abilities will more than suffice at adept I, some even at app1. There is no 'need' except for a perceived need brought on by the want to be good at 1v1 PvP.
Ok....on to AAs (alternate achievment points) There are 2 AA pages and you need to have ALL expansions to unlock both. If you dont have these...do not even consider rolling on a pvp server. More about aa's in a second.
At level 10, if you wish to compete whatsoever, you need to disable your combat xp. That means when you kill a mob you get nothing but the crap loot it drops. No advancement. The only way you advance is to complete a quest or kill a named mob for AA xp. When you complete a quest you will still earn a small amount of combat xp so you will level very very slowly. Why would you do this you ask? Because your enemies will have their AAs maxed (i played fora month and no clue how they max them, its hard) and AAs are EXTREMELY Important.
Ok, lets say you made it to level 12...which wont be very fast, because you disabled combat xp at 10. By this time you may have...5-8 AAs if your lucky. Lets say you have done what your supposed to and harvested and crafted and done every single damn thing you could to earn money and buy the stuff you need (i doubt you even make it this far when you see what a total joke fighting the hundreds of twinks with level 70s backing them and feeding them cash)
So..lets say you made it. Your level 12 with a few aa's and you have mastercrafted or fabled gear/jewlery/and adornments on EVERY SINGLE PIECE thats allowed. You say...ok now time for revenge. Well, lol if you dont have a group to roll with 24/7 sorry bud...better go harvest and start earning money for the next teir. Take your time though, cus with xp disabled for maximum AA gain...its gonna take you one HELL of a time to get to level 22 for the next set of good crafted gear. And...while your harvesting lol have fun getting rolled every 2-3 min from people ganking you. Think you found a private space? Well scouts can exploit the tracking page and just fly around on griffons from point one to point two and as soon as they see your name on track...they just simply jump off the griffon...and send you back to a rez point......including taking 75% of the cash you had on you and an item or two. So...yep, you guessed it...get back to harvesting. In eq2 pvp you drop 75% of your money per death...so you better bank often..and i mean really often. God forbid you walk out of city gates after youve walked away from broker and forgot to go back to bank....ugh..it happens.
Ok...your level 12-14 by now...saved up some AAs, got some decent gear, youve now been playing for about 2-3 weeks. Dont listen to what others say about how they can do all that in a week. Of course they can. They know what named drops every single piece, they have guilds protecting them...and if it gets bad...they can just log on their alt. The amount of crap you have to learn as an average new player its not gonna happen in a week, sorry. OK, your 12-14 and its been engraved into your brain man...i cant do ANYTHING without a group...so....you ask in chat for a group. If your name isnt recognized you will be lucky to get an invite. 90% of the people playing are afraid of losing their pvp titles (more about this in a minute) so they are VERY cautious about grouping with anyone outside of their "twinked circle".
Lets say you find a group....well buddy, you better hope and pray they have went through the hell you have...because if they arnt twinked to the max too....your still gonna get rolled over and over.
Ok, lets say your a patient man, like myself. Youve made it to level 20. You have about 20-25 AAs racked up, good gear and you can at least live over 5-10 seconds in a 1v1 fight...well...that depends on who your fighting. In eq2 pvp there is a class called a fury. They nuke harder (yes harder) than wizards or any other mage class at that level bracket and they can heal very very well. Their class is a healing class...but for some reason...Sony decides to not care about balance on pvp servers. Id say, without exageration that 70% of the pvp server will be a fury..or maybe a warden (the exact same thing both are druids except wardens are more defensive)..so....umm...yea i wonder why. another 20% will be scouts...very very few will play a mage or tank...just because of the total crap you have to go through.
Ok, lets say you found a GOOD group. They have decent gear. You are all in your low to mid 20s and you say...well...guys lets go kill some heroic nameds for more AA xp. GOTTA GET THOSE AAs!!! Sure! everyone says. Lets take Stormhold instance for example. You and your group goes to stormhold.....well, guess what, the pvp range here is 8 levels...so you and your low level 20 group are going to get rolled over and over by low level 30 twinks. LOL and you thought all that work you put in would matter.
Wait a second......i was told if i put in all this work to earn gear/spells/adornments it would get better? Naa lol. Because ANY place you go thats designed for level 20 will be an exact repeat of what you went through at level 10...except this time...its not a 4 level range....its an 8 level range. Once again, you and your group have no chance whatsoever.
Before long you will start thinking...wow, ive played so many pvp games and ill admit im not the best...but ive never felt so worthless and incompetent in any game ever. This will continue for your whole career. I dont care who comes here and tries to sugarcoat it, its how it is. All of that time you have commited and finally found a good group of twinks to roll with and your only option is to go camp low level players like they done to you? Because if you go into zones your level the level 30s, 40s, 50s...well you get the picture.
Keep in mind there are NO battlegrounds. There is NOTHING to keep players busy so they have no choice but to twink out. After the mid 30s...the roving gank squads tend to slow down because 80% of the game (not an exageration) is pvping in teir 2 or 3. (levels 10-20ish). Why you ask? Because there is hardly any population at higher tiers. Anyone that stuck it out and got to 60 gets rolled by guess what...nope not twinks....raiders, super twinks. because by this time there is no level range.
Get this....lets say youve put in the time required to get the gear and you found a solid group and youve now found the enemy....all they have to do is run to a zone line and zone out and have full immunity from anyone for 30 seconds......you follow them? sure you will....they will just zone again for more immunity....this is called zone hopping and 99% of any players will just zone hop untill you go away because when you get killed in pvp you have a chance at losing your pvp (ganker) title.
Why doesnt sony see these problems? lol this is sony. if you dont already know about sony look up SWG and what they did there...or vanguard.
I cannot believe a company that large with that many games under their belt lets this happen...but i said the same thing when i logged onto SWG and found my class's were no longer in game..........................................
So, by this time you are SO mad about all the time youve wasted you just ending camping players lower level than you just like what was done to you......is this what i call pvp? Nope. My idea of pvp is a totally different thing. Why didnt i post this on the eq2 officail boards? lol it gets even better...
The forums on EQ2 officail page dont allow any negative posts. I met someone that was banned from forums for saying antonia bayle was ugly.......(shes the queen.just an npc..) So, dont go to the forums and address your issues because anyone who has a real life to attend to and likes pvp quit this game long ago, so you will be mobbed with disgruntled players because they dont want to end their "god trip" in the game.
All in all, i can see why every pvp server other than 2 across 2 countries have been merged and 1 of those is in DIRE need of more players.
Everything ive described to you i had to go through twice because i made a mistake and rolled on venekor first...put in my time...and then had nobody to fight...so i went to nagafen..and oh yea theres population....but i think you know what population im talking about. There are serious issues in any game if your population would rather stay at level 14 to gank level 10s coming into game than level up and play with the big boys. Its really really a sad situation and i will never purchase another SoE product...ever. After this joke and the travesty that happened to SWG i will not do it.
You may say can i have your stuff...go back to WoW...whatever. Ive played every MMO that was released in the last 7 years thats had pvp and ive never ever seen a pvp rule-set in such a sad sad state. I want the last month of my life back but thats not gonna happen. I suggest you dont let that happen to you either.
Screw it, I'm going to skip to the end of this post since I see what the problem is. You want EQ2 to be like the other PvP games out there that you've experienced without realizing that there are many ways to play PvP. You say EQ2 is the worst PvP game out there, but what you fail to see is that you can't compare it to all of the PvP game options out there.
For you, which was better in DAoC - PvP server or RP/Normal server? I'm going to have to say you were partial to the Normal/RP server and, heck, you may never have even played on the PvP server. If you had, you would see that the normal servers had RvR, which was restricted PvP by areas and realms whereas the PvP server had PvP without restrictions. Sure, both allowed you to kill other players, but they were vastly different and aimed at different types of PvP.
EQ2 is probably the fairest form of open PvP you're going to get. They have ranges for attacking people within your level range. They have fast leveling, lots of land within which to level, and other things to do other than just combating other players. Are there people who have been there since the beginning, have the best gear they can get, tons of abilities, and max out all that they can? Yup. Can these people mentor down to lower level people to form a strong group within which to fight? Yup. Does it suck to get rolled by one? Yup.
But, is that any worse than other games of open PvP (WoW PvP servers, Shadowbane, Lineage I/II, and DAoC PvP servers for example)? Heck no. In every single one of those games and many more not listed, instead of even having a chance against that group, I'd get one-shotted by some high level toon in the best gear, with the best abilities, etc. Is what EQ2 provides a hard fight? Yes, but it's damn better than what you're going to get in the other open PvP games.
Don't compare this game to battlegrounds of WoW or the frontier of DAoC. They are two completely different beasts and they're not called PvP servers for a reason. These are very limited, situational forms of player versus player action, but do not embody the concept of a full PvP game.
Essentially, don't join a PvP server in a game, any of them, expecting a fair shake at equality when all MMORPGs equate power to who has the most time to spend gaining the most levels, items, and abilities.
So from what I read basically the OP says that the twinked guys beat him senseless and pretty much he didn't stood a chance. Ok tell you what, go to a PvP server at WoW and when your cute 12 level toon gets ganged constantly all the way to the kalimport and back by virtually every player with a month of seniority you can come back and whine. PvP in games such as in EQ2 is not supposed to be made easy since their main focus is PvE to begin with.
So a simple advice either suck it up and find a guild or a group of players to level and do your PvP or just roll on a PvE server where you can play however you want. Open PvP is not for everyone in the sense that it requires a specific attitude to play.
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The big difference between Daoc Shadowbane and EQ 2 is the end game pvp. I dont think u understand the meaning. Yes there is pvp in every lvl but your ultimate goal is to reach the lvl cap (or something close to that) so u can enjoy the game's pvp in full aspect.
I have not seen a single individual stop lvling in those games so he can kill lowbies, hell from my experience every1 is trying to get the pve part out of their way in order to get involved in those 2 games amazing siegefare.
Yet in eq2 people LVL LOCK and stop advancing so they can grief. Tbh i dont mind higher lvls griefing me, i even expect it to happen. But some1 in eq2 thought he should prevent that, so players now have STOPPED lvling and they do is grief.
Maybe EQ2 doesnt have end game pvp content, as i have pointed out i havent played it yet, but i bet killing lvl 70's is funnier and more rewarding then griefing new players from whom the game will eventualy benefit.
p.s. in sb neither me nor my guild and most of the people i know have any interest in roaming from zone to zone in order to kill lowbies, not when we can kill people our lvl which is challenging, the least to say.
I have not seen a single individual stop lvling in those games so he can kill lowbies, hell from my experience every1 is trying to get the pve part out of their way in order to get involved in those 2 games amazing siegefare.
Yet in eq2 people LVL LOCK and stop advancing so they can grief. Tbh i dont mind higher lvls griefing me, i even expect it to happen. But some1 in eq2 thought he should prevent that, so players now have STOPPED lvling and they do is grief.
How is it you can have a problem with a limited method of griefing and then say you don't mind being griefed by the highest level players? Wouldn't you be here complaining about all the high level people griefing all the low-level people instead, as it typical with PvP servers?
Don't look at a mechanic that at least gives you a greater chance at survival as well as the ability to level beyond the occurrence fairly quickly and ignore the fact of what it has removed. Is it 50/50? Probably not most of the time in those situations, but it's much better than the next to nil chance you'll experience in other games. And the chances of survival only increase as you level, not decrease.
Honestly, I'm not a hardcore PvPer and I don't really care for the lack of dishonor for certain actions in PvP today (thank you Blizzard for caving in to the concept of rewarding people for poor gaming behaviors), but when I play EQ2 PvP I don't experienced as many issues as I have had in DAoC (Andred, not RvR), SB, and Lineage II. Truthfully, it's a huge breath of fresh air and there are guilds out there who discourage such actions and like other PvP games end up policing areas when things get out of hand and they have the manpower.
The difference which displeases me is that all those twinks or w/e they r called dont log on their lvl 70 to pvp with the big boys, they just talk sh*t and grief noobs. If a lvl 70 kills me in sb i wont care cause when i reach that lvl i have an equal chance of kiling him back to get my revenge (if i want, which i usually dont but meh) hell i can even burn his city if i want to.
In eq2 thanks to that stupid lvl lock i have to farm and roll a twink of my own which not only is retarted but forces me to do something i despise. Can i call my friends to help me? probably not because a lvl 70 guy cant kill a lvl 20. Will they roll twinks to protect me? tbh i dont know, my current guild in sb wouldnt. And yea i can outlvl the twinks but if i understand correctly i need to farm AA and stuff so i wont gimp myself at higher lvls.
To sum it up: the big difference is if i am in a party of alts in another game, we can log our main toons and clear the area up to continue lvling in order to hit the max lvl goal.... in eq2 i need to find twinks to help, or twink myself.
My grudge though is not against game mechanics, its how it is take it or leave it. Its against all those idiots out there who think twinking takes skill and improves the game by making it more "hardcore" or "rewarding" etc. Reread the thread, i m sure u ll see that there's 5-10 people bashing the op cause he finds this pvp not to his liking.
The difference which displeases me is that all those twinks or w/e they r called dont log on their lvl 70 to pvp with the big boys, they just talk sh*t and grief noobs. If a lvl 70 kills me in sb i wont care cause when i reach that lvl i have an equal chance of kiling him back to get my revenge (if i want, which i usually dont but meh) hell i can even burn his city if i want to.
Nothing has changed. You can get to level 70 and kill other level 70s. Why you care about people who refuse to play at their level bafles me. One of the first rules of PvP is that you don't let how others decide to play get to you. In the end, all things even out on their own. Don't stop at the beginning.
PvP in EQ2 is as good as you make it..The twink problem exists, and won't go away..
However,,If you disregard the stupid twink problem, EQ2 PvP is actually good..In groups it's even very good higher up in level..
So,,If you would like to make a characther on the PvP server, you have to have tons of stamina to get over the initial levels up to 20+..On the other hand it won't take long to level to 20ish even thou you are constantly ganked..
After that, there is several places you could go to level your characthers in peace, like Bllodmoon(Instance) and Gnoll instance
ive played SB and the other pvp games youve mentioned....did you even read the title? i also made twinks of my own and leveled past them...did you even read the post?
im telling ya...there is a reason why every pvp server across 2 countries have been merged...
its because the pvp sucks. most games require a tad bit of skill...just a little, and the other 80% is gear. in eq2 pvp...there is no skill whatsoever. if your twinked a non-twink can come up to you and spam EVERY move he has on you untill he runs himself to 0 power/mana and the twink will still be over 80% health...
yea you read that right...
a twink can be afk and you still cant kill him. wow now that sounds like fun.......now imagine roving groups of these pricks and their sole purpose is targeting new players on trials or anyone not twinked. period. like i said, i gave eq2 pvp ample time to be fun and interesting...however, i found that as a pvp fan i wasted a huge amount of money for little enjoyment. they call it "hard core"...........pac-man is more hard-core than eq2 pvp....at least in pac-man you have a chance to die or win, vice versa. in eq2...all you gotta do is twink....and the ONLY thing that will kill you is a twink/group of twinks.
OK , after reading and contributing to this thread , I decided to start a brand new char on Nagafen and see what all the fuss is about. So starting with the little pk squads , yes their running around murdering anyone they chance upon that happens to be soloing , in one day I was killed by these noobs maybe 10 times or so.
Is character advancement or any other aspect of the game unplayable? No , the bottom line is that you can play and enjoy the game just fine as long as your willing to be a little flexable and choose where you play wisely . There aren`t level locked pkers in every nook and cranny of the game , they pretty much stick to certain areas and it`s not all together hard to avoid them if you go through the trouble. They will hunt you however but , one thing I noticed is that there were plenty of high levels coming in and hunting them as well so for the most part , the level locking noobs have to watch their back as much as the solo players do .
Are they strong? Yes it`s true , I was 1 hit killed more than once by players within my level range. According to my observations they were ganking people for coin more than anything else , maybe some cheesy title like "slayer" which probably makes them feel important among the other noobs that they hang out with. Overall I`m finding the whole experience to be quite amusing primarily because these guys aren`t skilled pvpers , their a bunch of lowbies that never get anywhere in the game and have to rely on grouping to go around murdering other players without any provocation. Very pathetic . A clear waste of time and resources to be king of the low level pker`s.
Their entire game really has no purpose because with a little preserverence , anyone can level past them get AA and deal severe consequences to them later especially if they join a high level group that likes hunting level lockers. Now to me the system isn`t that hard but then again I`m used to playing games with open pk and kill or be killed while leveling so it really hasen`t bothered me , but for someone thaty`s not used to it they might have a problem until they can level past the BS.
You can still do whatever you want to in the game , its just a little more trouble is all. EQ 2 is still one of the best games out there pvp server or not . In every game there are always issues with inbalances as far as certain players or classes being overpowered , I have never played one that doesen`t have some type of user rant about it. At least this game`s devs are willing to test on a pvp test server and make tweaks to the system accordingly , over time I`m sure they will balance things out.
I just hate these PvP threads where people cry about getting killed. PvP is about the fact that you can get killed by another player. Over and over and over. Taste it.
The fact that the original poster has been playing games for 7 years....big deal. So many of us who post on this site have played multiple games. Lineage 2, WOW, EQ1, Eve......
The bottom line is PvP is hard. Step up to the plate or move on to another server/game. I think Eve is the game for you. Get your 100 million ISK ship blown out from under you while your trying to mine your precious ore in non-secure space. Then go post about the TWINKS!!!!
Oh the twinks!!! Someone save me from the twinks!!!!! Help me!!!!!! Fix the game so I don't have to get hurt by the twinks!!!!!!
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OP, i can see how you feel... but i still haven't found a good PVP MMO (GW is not an MMO IMO)... I played very little DAOC, but i heard it was/is probably the best for PVP ATM. Waiting on WAR.
EQ2 was not created around PVP. They introduced a PVP "system" after. But, i do play on a PVP server. I play on VOX (mostly because it's the only light server).
It's not perfect for sure. Garbage? No... Let's say it's just an OK pvp system.
I have fun. Sure, i get ganked. But the beauty is... you can go get revenge. Start a guild group and give em hell
I'm sorry, but there is no such thing as "civilized pvp".
Oh, and my main PVP guy is a Brigand so i'm only effective in group.
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a brigand is a scout with stealth, tracking and evac. 3 of the some of the most important things on a pvp server. endgame brigs are a pain solo or grouped, not just endgame, any well played brigand can be a fearsome opponent. not sure how you play yours, but you have just as much chance in solo pvp as any class in the game.
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thats great, and it also sounds like your an endgame player where pvp is in a much better situation. kudos to you for not farming green players that dont have a chance. however my post, is a warning to anyone that hasnt tried eq2 pvp servers. i will say, with all of my heart, eq2 is a great pve game.
I played on Nagafen when it first came out. I came back and am playing again. What the OP says is exaggerated but factual.Just to back up this comment. I have to agree that regardless of what people like or dislike about the PVP in this game, the community is second to none. Don't let any comments in this post deter you from you starting this game. My one suggestion would be: Even if you are planning to play on a PvP server in EQ2, roll on a PvE server first so you can get the hang of the game and learn where to level and how to make money and use AA to your advantage. I rolled my first character on a PVP server and found out quickly that I needed to learn more before I tried to hang with the "cool kids" on Nagafen.
EQ2's main problem is it encourages and rewards crap fights. Everyone who has any experience and knowledge of the title and status system knows this.
The main bone of contention is that you have a bunch of people fooling themselves that the game is challening all the while they kill what in PvE would con gray to farm status/faction and titles. They this makes the game hardcore and difficult those who are not wrapped up in the game recognize it is in fact the opposite. These people believe that since they have good stuff that took some effort they should therefore get good stuff for farming grays.
If this logic were applied to PvE and raids gave crap gear and down arrows gave great gear there would be riots in the streets
The situation is essentially insane. You have a constiuency of people who believe that by essentially hazing people the PvP is somehow "hard" and all the while viciously defend what makes the PvP painfully and boringly easy. They believe that punishment is what makes things and that this very "hardness" justifies them having it easy.
Its completely disfunctional. The amount of cognitive dissonance is amazing although not really surprising.
As for the community I am not certain what you guys are talking about 50% is complete trash, worse even than barrens chat on WoW the other half is pretty good.
I still dont understand why all those idiots with twinks are bashing the op telling him to go back to wow.
Go try some other games with real end-game pvp like shadowbane or daoc before u post crap like that. U think u r 1337 just cause u r killing newbs? U actually think having w/e title on a lvl 17 player means something? Go play with the big boys imo and prove your skill against them.
I dont play eq2 and havent tried it yet, but in my eyes forcing a new player to twink his first toon just so he can compete in starting lvls seems absolutely retarded to me!
Flame away....
I have to agree with you Fantaros.
I do play EQ2 though. I play on a pve server and it`s the best MMO I have ever played.
My thoughts exactly. They think they're tough because they play King in Candy Land. All those guys are the kind of people who would quit a real pvp game because they don't win ALL THE TIME, and due to unfair and crappy circumstances, which makes things even worse. It's ok if you people like EQ 2 PvP, but all your "hard work" means nothing apart from having wasted countless hours to remove all the fun out of the damn thing for people who want to join in. If the PvP was so awesome, then you'd see people like the OP going on without caring about doing all those silly things "required" to enjoy that aspect of the game.
Do you have characters on any servers besides the PVP servers? I would agree that 50% of the PvP servers are less than desireable, but on all of my other servers the community is excellent. It's the PvP that brings down the quality of the community when you have people constantly battling to save their precious titles.
Do you have characters on any servers besides the PVP servers? I would agree that 50% of the PvP servers are less than desireable, but on all of my other servers the community is excellent. It's the PvP that brings down the quality of the community when you have people constantly battling to save their precious titles.
I meant nagafen specifically.As to someone who said they want to be king in Candy Land. Someone posted this in the EQ2 forum and some of the jobbers there basically said exactly that in different a way and rephrased to say they are "heroes" for slaughtering people. Its such an amazing amount of self absorbed insanity. They honestly believe that the game can both have people who can slaughter whole armies and also be "hard" or challenging. I mean that is beyond stupid. That is willfully disregarding contradictions.
These think they are so awesome and hardcore to, but all they are is jobbers. Its tragic.
Ganking lowbies requires 0 skill IMHO and is not what I would consider real pvp , in fact most of the games I`ve played have the option to pk at low levels but most players don`t bother with it unti later on in the game.
I think the problem is that there isn`t a substantial consequence for pk in order to maintain a balance that would ensure that people don`t spawn camp or spend all of their time involved in pk at low levels. Sound like they didn`t think their system through very well.
This is far from being a true pvp system and it sounds like it more involves a bunch of kids who have yet to make it through puberty trying to flex their e peen by murdering lowbies .
I like EQ 2 overall but I have never tried the pvp aspect of the game ,which I was considering but after reading these posts it doesen`t sound like a very competitive environment , and IMHO gear based pvp success sucks anyway its all about money not skill.
They could never get away with this kind of nonsense in a real pvp based game , take 2 Moons ( Dekaron ) for example. There is no such thing as a seperate server for PVE and PK , and you can kill anyone anywhere at anytime and it`s brutal open pk.
But there is a catch , if you go around murdering players you start to aquire points , once you have over 500 points and another player kills you , you go to the castle dungeon which is an actual jail. There you will stand behind bars with other morons who like to go around ganking lowbies until you have put in enough time to reduce your points which could be 12 hours or more.
You can`t level up or do anything in jail . you have to be connected to the game also in order for your time to be served out so your prettty much screwed for a few days doing nothing. You also have the option to pay to get out but it`s such a huge amount of money most people can`t afford it. You also can`t use the npc`s or teleports either if you have to many pk points and if you try to go into the castle areas the guards will chase you down and kill you on site. There is no such thing as scrolls or soap to get rid of points either.
None of this applies to self defense pk or consentual pvp etc , it`s simply designed to keep higher level or better equipped players from killing lowbies over and over again , which they do often regardless of the system until they go to jail then they usualy change their ways after losing a few days of leveling time.
It`s a very well thought out system and it works quite well , the game overall has some of the best pvp , pk to date but unfortunately it`s popularity is on the fence right now with western players becuase of the typical asian exp problems which seems to be the ongoing dilema but there has been alot of talk bout it becoming more westernized in the future. Not for the faint of heart , you won`t find a Fairy land with lv 14 noobs ganging newbies yelling out " This is Spartaaaaa" over the shout every 5 minutes.
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Right, END GAME PVP (which, by the way, Shadowbane doesn't fit into... you start PvPing in Shadowbane pretty early on and are in a world with PvP is FFA once you leave the beginning continent). If you're going to compare the PvP of EQ2 to something, then you need to compare it to similar concepts.
Let's compare DAoC's battlegrounds (start at very low levels now).
How different are they when it comes to equipment? None whatsoever. Both are heavily equipment based for most classes, though casters tend to rely on it a lot less.
How different are they when it comes to alternative advancement/realm points? None whatsoever. Both make players with these items more powerful.
To the OP, I have to say that if you think EQ2's PvP is the worst because of the time investment and ability to twink lower levels, then I'd have to completely disagree with your assumption that you've been playing similar PvP games in the last 7 years. You cannot compare EQ2's PvP to DAoC's end-game RvR (noticed it's called RvR, not PvP...) since you can PvE your way to the level cap without any problems. Compare it to DAoC's battlegrounds, which happen at much earlier levels, WoW's FFA servers, and other games with FFA servers. You will find in all situations that the problems you bring up occur in every single one of those situations and are not just an issue with EQ2.
The diference with EQ2 is that the twink squads tend to be in the first 20 levels and leveling past that is extremely easy. The concept of gankers lives in every single PvP game out there. Take your level 30 character in DAoC into the frontier and you can bet there will be plenty of level 50s out there that are RR5+ ready to kill you in one shot.
Right, END GAME PVP (which, by the way, Shadowbane doesn't fit into... you start PvPing in Shadowbane pretty early on and are in a world with PvP is FFA once you leave the beginning continent). If you're going to compare the PvP of EQ2 to something, then you need to compare it to similar concepts.
Let's compare DAoC's battlegrounds (start at very low levels now).
How different are they when it comes to equipment? None whatsoever. Both are heavily equipment based for most classes, though casters tend to rely on it a lot less.
How different are they when it comes to alternative advancement/realm points? None whatsoever. Both make players with these items more powerful.
To the OP, I have to say that if you think EQ2's PvP is the worst because of the time investment and ability to twink lower levels, then I'd have to completely disagree with your assumption that you've been playing similar PvP games in the last 7 years. You cannot compare EQ2's PvP to DAoC's end-game RvR (noticed it's called RvR, not PvP...) since you can PvE your way to the level cap without any problems. Compare it to DAoC's battlegrounds, which happen at much earlier levels, WoW's FFA servers, and other games with FFA servers. You will find in all situations that the problems you bring up occur in every single one of those situations and are not just an issue with EQ2.
The diference with EQ2 is that the twink squads tend to be in the first 20 levels and leveling past that is extremely easy. The concept of gankers lives in every single PvP game out there. Take your level 30 character in DAoC into the frontier and you can bet there will be plenty of level 50s out there that are RR5+ ready to kill you in one shot.
uhh...
i never once said that the pvp in every game in the last 7 years was the same......
I said...
Ive played EVERY game that has been released in the LAST 7 YEARS that had PVP and EQ2 pvp is the WORST ive ever seen for EVERY reason, not just because of low level twinks. You *CLEARLY* didnt read the post so why do you feel compelled to comment? Why do people always do that? /sigh
Trust me, its not just low level pvp in eq2, eventhough that is the worst part about it. The whole damn system is complete trash and thats how i feel. Ive never even felt like i should warn others about a 100% total waste of money but in this situation, i did. This game is the bottom of the barrel when it comes to pvp. I would really rather play a F2P with item-purchase and thats about the biggest insulting remark i can give.
Only at the lower levels. As opposed to a level 50 doing that from levels 1 to 40 or 50 in other games.
EQ2 is not a solo PvP game. It is a group-based PvP game. Much like other PvP games where you get killed quickly by groups when you solo. At the early levels you can level pretty fast even solo, but after level 20 you should have a guild or a group of friends and try and stick with them.
Or... go to the dungeons appropriate for your level, which is where everyone goes for the best loot and experience.
And they must follow you through every single spot on every single continent. I understand that gankers exist, but to belittle what happens in EQ2 in comparison to other open PvP games is ridiculous. This happens must more often and on a much worse level in other PvP games, such as DAoC's FFA server and Shadowbane.
Rather than just leveling up... in 10 levels you're going to want new gear anyway. And, do you really think most people are just saving up money to buy gear when they could just go and loot the gear themself in much less time? I mean, if everyone is just scrounging for money to twink themself, who's supplying all of the stuff that people buy and why aren't you out there contesting them for these items?
So... having to compete against people with better gear is something you don't want to do? Or, you can't just use tactics with the right friends to overcome their group? You're complaining that people are more organized than you?
Again, 1v1? This game is far from being about 1v1. And, just to have the chance to kill anyone? Total BS. Yes, the game is focused on improving a character with spell levels and items, but it's not so great that a scout in not all legendary equipment and with adept I abilities couldn't take on others. Now, can he take on someone specifically designed for 1v1 as a class and equipment? No. But, that's not the whole game and it sounds like you're letting the few who want the game to be 1v1 bog down the game and drag you into their own game. They're going to win because they have created something specific for 1v1 or ganking. But get in a group, come back and kill them. One person isn't going to take on a small group of equal level players all on their own no matter how well equipped they are (well... unless the group has no idea what they're doing...).
We've found our issue! Of course you're going to need a group. And, as I mentioned above, by level 20, which is easy to get to, you should have a guild or at least some friends. If not, then you're missing the social aspect of the game and the fact that EQ2 in general is not designed for soloers but for groups and guilds
So freaking biased, it's not even funny. Everything but adept III+ is crap? Sure, if you plan on doing everything solo. But the majority of abilities will more than suffice at adept I, some even at app1. There is no 'need' except for a perceived need brought on by the want to be good at 1v1 PvP.
Screw it, I'm going to skip to the end of this post since I see what the problem is. You want EQ2 to be like the other PvP games out there that you've experienced without realizing that there are many ways to play PvP. You say EQ2 is the worst PvP game out there, but what you fail to see is that you can't compare it to all of the PvP game options out there.
For you, which was better in DAoC - PvP server or RP/Normal server? I'm going to have to say you were partial to the Normal/RP server and, heck, you may never have even played on the PvP server. If you had, you would see that the normal servers had RvR, which was restricted PvP by areas and realms whereas the PvP server had PvP without restrictions. Sure, both allowed you to kill other players, but they were vastly different and aimed at different types of PvP.
EQ2 is probably the fairest form of open PvP you're going to get. They have ranges for attacking people within your level range. They have fast leveling, lots of land within which to level, and other things to do other than just combating other players. Are there people who have been there since the beginning, have the best gear they can get, tons of abilities, and max out all that they can? Yup. Can these people mentor down to lower level people to form a strong group within which to fight? Yup. Does it suck to get rolled by one? Yup.
But, is that any worse than other games of open PvP (WoW PvP servers, Shadowbane, Lineage I/II, and DAoC PvP servers for example)? Heck no. In every single one of those games and many more not listed, instead of even having a chance against that group, I'd get one-shotted by some high level toon in the best gear, with the best abilities, etc. Is what EQ2 provides a hard fight? Yes, but it's damn better than what you're going to get in the other open PvP games.
Don't compare this game to battlegrounds of WoW or the frontier of DAoC. They are two completely different beasts and they're not called PvP servers for a reason. These are very limited, situational forms of player versus player action, but do not embody the concept of a full PvP game.
Essentially, don't join a PvP server in a game, any of them, expecting a fair shake at equality when all MMORPGs equate power to who has the most time to spend gaining the most levels, items, and abilities.
So from what I read basically the OP says that the twinked guys beat him senseless and pretty much he didn't stood a chance. Ok tell you what, go to a PvP server at WoW and when your cute 12 level toon gets ganged constantly all the way to the kalimport and back by virtually every player with a month of seniority you can come back and whine. PvP in games such as in EQ2 is not supposed to be made easy since their main focus is PvE to begin with.
So a simple advice either suck it up and find a guild or a group of players to level and do your PvP or just roll on a PvE server where you can play however you want. Open PvP is not for everyone in the sense that it requires a specific attitude to play.
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The big difference between Daoc Shadowbane and EQ 2 is the end game pvp. I dont think u understand the meaning. Yes there is pvp in every lvl but your ultimate goal is to reach the lvl cap (or something close to that) so u can enjoy the game's pvp in full aspect.
I have not seen a single individual stop lvling in those games so he can kill lowbies, hell from my experience every1 is trying to get the pve part out of their way in order to get involved in those 2 games amazing siegefare.
Yet in eq2 people LVL LOCK and stop advancing so they can grief. Tbh i dont mind higher lvls griefing me, i even expect it to happen. But some1 in eq2 thought he should prevent that, so players now have STOPPED lvling and they do is grief.
Maybe EQ2 doesnt have end game pvp content, as i have pointed out i havent played it yet, but i bet killing lvl 70's is funnier and more rewarding then griefing new players from whom the game will eventualy benefit.
p.s. in sb neither me nor my guild and most of the people i know have any interest in roaming from zone to zone in order to kill lowbies, not when we can kill people our lvl which is challenging, the least to say.
How is it you can have a problem with a limited method of griefing and then say you don't mind being griefed by the highest level players? Wouldn't you be here complaining about all the high level people griefing all the low-level people instead, as it typical with PvP servers?
Don't look at a mechanic that at least gives you a greater chance at survival as well as the ability to level beyond the occurrence fairly quickly and ignore the fact of what it has removed. Is it 50/50? Probably not most of the time in those situations, but it's much better than the next to nil chance you'll experience in other games. And the chances of survival only increase as you level, not decrease.
Honestly, I'm not a hardcore PvPer and I don't really care for the lack of dishonor for certain actions in PvP today (thank you Blizzard for caving in to the concept of rewarding people for poor gaming behaviors), but when I play EQ2 PvP I don't experienced as many issues as I have had in DAoC (Andred, not RvR), SB, and Lineage II. Truthfully, it's a huge breath of fresh air and there are guilds out there who discourage such actions and like other PvP games end up policing areas when things get out of hand and they have the manpower.
The difference which displeases me is that all those twinks or w/e they r called dont log on their lvl 70 to pvp with the big boys, they just talk sh*t and grief noobs. If a lvl 70 kills me in sb i wont care cause when i reach that lvl i have an equal chance of kiling him back to get my revenge (if i want, which i usually dont but meh) hell i can even burn his city if i want to.
In eq2 thanks to that stupid lvl lock i have to farm and roll a twink of my own which not only is retarted but forces me to do something i despise. Can i call my friends to help me? probably not because a lvl 70 guy cant kill a lvl 20. Will they roll twinks to protect me? tbh i dont know, my current guild in sb wouldnt. And yea i can outlvl the twinks but if i understand correctly i need to farm AA and stuff so i wont gimp myself at higher lvls.
To sum it up: the big difference is if i am in a party of alts in another game, we can log our main toons and clear the area up to continue lvling in order to hit the max lvl goal.... in eq2 i need to find twinks to help, or twink myself.
My grudge though is not against game mechanics, its how it is take it or leave it. Its against all those idiots out there who think twinking takes skill and improves the game by making it more "hardcore" or "rewarding" etc. Reread the thread, i m sure u ll see that there's 5-10 people bashing the op cause he finds this pvp not to his liking.
Nothing has changed. You can get to level 70 and kill other level 70s. Why you care about people who refuse to play at their level bafles me. One of the first rules of PvP is that you don't let how others decide to play get to you. In the end, all things even out on their own. Don't stop at the beginning.
PvP in EQ2 is as good as you make it..The twink problem exists, and won't go away..
However,,If you disregard the stupid twink problem, EQ2 PvP is actually good..In groups it's even very good higher up in level..
So,,If you would like to make a characther on the PvP server, you have to have tons of stamina to get over the initial levels up to 20+..On the other hand it won't take long to level to 20ish even thou you are constantly ganked..
After that, there is several places you could go to level your characthers in peace, like Bllodmoon(Instance) and Gnoll instance
hey im the OP!
ive played SB and the other pvp games youve mentioned....did you even read the title? i also made twinks of my own and leveled past them...did you even read the post?
im telling ya...there is a reason why every pvp server across 2 countries have been merged...
its because the pvp sucks. most games require a tad bit of skill...just a little, and the other 80% is gear. in eq2 pvp...there is no skill whatsoever. if your twinked a non-twink can come up to you and spam EVERY move he has on you untill he runs himself to 0 power/mana and the twink will still be over 80% health...
yea you read that right...
a twink can be afk and you still cant kill him. wow now that sounds like fun.......now imagine roving groups of these pricks and their sole purpose is targeting new players on trials or anyone not twinked. period. like i said, i gave eq2 pvp ample time to be fun and interesting...however, i found that as a pvp fan i wasted a huge amount of money for little enjoyment. they call it "hard core"...........pac-man is more hard-core than eq2 pvp....at least in pac-man you have a chance to die or win, vice versa. in eq2...all you gotta do is twink....and the ONLY thing that will kill you is a twink/group of twinks.
OK , after reading and contributing to this thread , I decided to start a brand new char on Nagafen and see what all the fuss is about. So starting with the little pk squads , yes their running around murdering anyone they chance upon that happens to be soloing , in one day I was killed by these noobs maybe 10 times or so.
Is character advancement or any other aspect of the game unplayable? No , the bottom line is that you can play and enjoy the game just fine as long as your willing to be a little flexable and choose where you play wisely . There aren`t level locked pkers in every nook and cranny of the game , they pretty much stick to certain areas and it`s not all together hard to avoid them if you go through the trouble. They will hunt you however but , one thing I noticed is that there were plenty of high levels coming in and hunting them as well so for the most part , the level locking noobs have to watch their back as much as the solo players do .
Are they strong? Yes it`s true , I was 1 hit killed more than once by players within my level range. According to my observations they were ganking people for coin more than anything else , maybe some cheesy title like "slayer" which probably makes them feel important among the other noobs that they hang out with. Overall I`m finding the whole experience to be quite amusing primarily because these guys aren`t skilled pvpers , their a bunch of lowbies that never get anywhere in the game and have to rely on grouping to go around murdering other players without any provocation. Very pathetic . A clear waste of time and resources to be king of the low level pker`s.
Their entire game really has no purpose because with a little preserverence , anyone can level past them get AA and deal severe consequences to them later especially if they join a high level group that likes hunting level lockers. Now to me the system isn`t that hard but then again I`m used to playing games with open pk and kill or be killed while leveling so it really hasen`t bothered me , but for someone thaty`s not used to it they might have a problem until they can level past the BS.
You can still do whatever you want to in the game , its just a little more trouble is all. EQ 2 is still one of the best games out there pvp server or not . In every game there are always issues with inbalances as far as certain players or classes being overpowered , I have never played one that doesen`t have some type of user rant about it. At least this game`s devs are willing to test on a pvp test server and make tweaks to the system accordingly , over time I`m sure they will balance things out.
I just hate these PvP threads where people cry about getting killed. PvP is about the fact that you can get killed by another player. Over and over and over. Taste it.
The fact that the original poster has been playing games for 7 years....big deal. So many of us who post on this site have played multiple games. Lineage 2, WOW, EQ1, Eve......
The bottom line is PvP is hard. Step up to the plate or move on to another server/game. I think Eve is the game for you. Get your 100 million ISK ship blown out from under you while your trying to mine your precious ore in non-secure space. Then go post about the TWINKS!!!!
Oh the twinks!!! Someone save me from the twinks!!!!! Help me!!!!!! Fix the game so I don't have to get hurt by the twinks!!!!!!
AFAIK PvP in any Everquest game has always been an 'afterthought', the games are primarly PvE.
If you wanna see a game that ends before it has really started because of ganking, etc - go play EVE.
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