The 12 sky beta....thing

ulberon · September 2007

So before getting a key, I decided to check out the website. I just have to say this, why is every single freakin Asian MMO look exactly the same? The UI looks exactly like L2, which looks exactly like RYL. Do they all use the same artists? Are they out of ideas? And why are the translations always horrible. When WoW was shipped to their market were our translations just as bad?

Why do Asian MMO's just plain stink?

9216544 · September 2007

For the same reason why Asians love hot dogs.

ulberon · September 2007

what!?

Maggotscream · September 2007

Originally posted by ulberon

So before getting a key, I decided to check out the website. I just have to say this, why is every single freakin Asian MMO look exactly the same? The UI looks exactly like L2, which looks exactly like RYL. Do they all use the same artists? Are they out of ideas? And why are the translations always horrible. When WoW was shipped to their market were our translations just as bad?

Why do Asian MMO's just plain stink?

Ok first things first, Asian MMO's have more features then the Western market atm so asking if they're out of ideas is silly. When you compare Blizzard who are massive to a group of say .. 10 to 20 people then it's obvious to see why the translations aren't 100%. I think most Asian MMO's are quite fun and keep me playing alot longer then LOTRO/WoW/EQ2/VG etc...

BobRoss · September 2007

Hmm , I signed up for this and dl'ed the client. will they be sending the keys by email?

Just asking. Have a nice day.

Ozmodan · September 2007

".....Asian MMO's have more features then the Western market atm ........."

Were you actually lucid to make such a incomprehensible statement like that?

If you remove the two subscription MMO's, FFXI and Linage, the rest of these Asian MMO's have almost no content and far less features. They all use the same engine and very similar graphics. Character customization is almost nil and usually class determines your sex. That is what the fellow above was referring to. While they are all different to some degree, the look and feel of the games are almost all the same.

And it seems every week a new one pops up.

ariwins · September 2007

When you sign up through this site, if you actually read the text afterwards, it states that they don't send the account list out immediately, and that in can take 24-48 hours for your account to be activated.

megaflux · September 2007

the UI is there because we are too dumb to control our computers with our minds alone. i cant think of very many mmog's that DON'T have the same row of boxes. to look at THAT and say all the games look the same is like looking at just the cone part of an ice cream cone and saying they all taste the same.

i am really getting sick of killing dogs (wolves)/pigs (boars)/bears and spiders tho. you would think they would be shot in the genitals if they DIDNT put the same boring animals in their games... to infinity. the lack of creativity is killing gaming in general (not just online).

unherdninja · September 2007

Originally posted by Maggotscream

Ok first things first, Asian MMO's have more features then the Western market atm so asking if they're out of ideas is silly. When you compare Blizzard who are massive to a group of say .. 10 to 20 people then it's obvious to see why the translations aren't 100%. I think most Asian MMO's are quite fun and keep me playing alot longer then LOTRO/WoW/EQ2/VG etc...

Wow Maggot I almost have no comment for this post. I usely let people state there opions and dont hate on them for it but come on man. Do you really think a game like Scions of Fate or maple story is better then World of Warcraft or Lotr or EVEonline. You have to do more research my freind.

Pale_Fire · September 2007

Originally posted by Ozmodan

".....Asian MMO's have more features then the Western market atm ........."
Were you actually lucid to make such a incomprehensible statement like that?
If you remove the two subscription MMO's, FFXI and Linage, the rest of these Asian MMO's have almost no content and far less features. They all use the same engine and very similar graphics. Character customization is almost nil and usually class determines your sex. That is what the fellow above was referring to. While they are all different to some degree, the look and feel of the games are almost all the same.
And it seems every week a new one pops up.

QFT.

Superman0X · September 2007

The first round of invites went out yesterday. The servers opened at ~12:00 PST.

I would expect invitations to be sent out daily for the next few days. This is still a closed beta, so the focus is not on load, but on identifying the problem areas. For example, don't make an Aeria Games account with a space, underline, dash or period. It seems that the 12 Sky Client cant handle those (yet). Closed beta is about finding the bugs.... Open Beta will be about load testing.

Gameloading · September 2007

Originally posted by Ozmodan

".....Asian MMO's have more features then the Western market atm ........."
Were you actually lucid to make such a incomprehensible statement like that?
If you remove the two subscription MMO's, FFXI and Linage, the rest of these Asian MMO's have almost no content and far less features. They all use the same engine and very similar graphics. Character customization is almost nil and usually class determines your sex. That is what the fellow above was referring to. While they are all different to some degree, the look and feel of the games are almost all the same.
And it seems every week a new one pops up.

There, point 1 "all of them look the same" disproven.

"usually class determines your sex"

Completely incorrect, the vast majority of them does not determines your gender.

And you mention a difference in content.

what difference? Oh wait, you must mean the 50000's "GO kill XX" quests or "go find XX by killing XX quests" that make up for the vast majority of the "content" of western MMO's.

Gameloading · September 2007

Originally posted by DefiledF

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Ozmodan

".....Asian MMO's have more features then the Western market atm ........."
Were you actually lucid to make such a incomprehensible statement like that?
If you remove the two subscription MMO's, FFXI and Linage, the rest of these Asian MMO's have almost no content and far less features. They all use the same engine and very similar graphics. Character customization is almost nil and usually class determines your sex. That is what the fellow above was referring to. While they are all different to some degree, the look and feel of the games are almost all the same.
And it seems every week a new one pops up.

There, point 1 "all of them look the same" disproven.

"usually class determines your sex"

Completely incorrect, the vast majority of them does not determines your gender.

And you mention a difference in content.

what difference? Oh wait, you must mean the 50000's "GO kill XX" quests or "go find XX by killing XX quests" that make up for the vast majority of the "content" of western MMO's.

Gotta love cookie cutter troll behaviour. Or just a serious lack at understanding understatements. :P

I'm sorry, troll behaviour? The only one who hasn't contributed to the topic of this thread in any way is you, so who exactly is trolling around here?

BlackMoon · September 2007

Despite the rare exception shown by one poster, I agree that the vast majority of asian MMO's are way too similar. And I refer to a greater similarity than the majority of western MMO's have, since all MMO's do have similarities.

Sure, they aren't all exactly the same. That was obviously a slight exaggeration. However, the MMO's I happen to have seen advertised on this website and others generally lead to the same Ragnarok/Silk Road/Whatever feel, which is more or less the same game repackaged with a different name.

kythik · September 2007

Originally posted by megaflux

the UI is there because we are too dumb to control our computers with our minds alone. i cant think of very many mmog's that DON'T have the same row of boxes. to look at THAT and say all the games look the same is like looking at just the cone part of an ice cream cone and saying they all taste the same.
i am really getting sick of killing dogs (wolves)/pigs (boars)/bears and spiders tho. you would think they would be shot in the genitals if they DIDNT put the same boring animals in their games... to infinity. the lack of creativity is killing gaming in general (not just online).

Soon we will be able to control our computers with just our minds. http://www.emotiv.com/2_0/2_1.htm

Zarraa · September 2007

Originally posted by BlackMoon

Despite the rare exception shown by one poster, I agree that the vast majority of asian MMO's are way too similar. And I refer to a greater similarity than the majority of western MMO's have, since all MMO's do have similarities.
Sure, they aren't all exactly the same. That was obviously a slight exaggeration. However, the MMO's I happen to have seen advertised on this website and others generally lead to the same Ragnarok/Silk Road/Whatever feel, which is more or less the same game repackaged with a different name.

Yes and the vast majority of Western MMO's are either a UO, EQ, AC, or DAOC clone or shameless rip off..

So while many Far Eastern or Asian MMO's mimic each other, fact is the majority of Western MMO's are follow our same basic formula as well.

It all comes down to you're taste but blindly claiming only Asian MMO's are clones is silly and shows true bias.

Umbrood · September 2007

Originally posted by Maggotscream

Ok first things first, Asian MMO's have more features then the Western market atm so asking if they're out of ideas is silly. When you compare Blizzard who are massive to a group of say .. 10 to 20 people then it's obvious to see why the translations aren't 100%. I think most Asian MMO's are quite fun and keep me playing alot longer then LOTRO/WoW/EQ2/VG etc...

Mate, that is just not true.

I to have played, and even liked quite a few of the Asian MMO's, but they all have one thing in common.

They are seriously lacking in content and features.

Wether you think they are bad or good the above statement is is way over the top.

It like saying "Ok first thing, the Fiat Ritmo is faster then the Ferrarri F50", It does not matter how much you love that Fiat Ritmo, it will never ever be faster then the Ferrarri.

Gameloading · September 2007

Originally posted by Umbrood

Originally posted by Maggotscream

Ok first things first, Asian MMO's have more features then the Western market atm so asking if they're out of ideas is silly. When you compare Blizzard who are massive to a group of say .. 10 to 20 people then it's obvious to see why the translations aren't 100%. I think most Asian MMO's are quite fun and keep me playing alot longer then LOTRO/WoW/EQ2/VG etc...

Mate, that is just not true.

I to have played, and even liked quite a few of the Asian MMO's, but they all have one thing in common.

They are seriously lacking in content and features.

Wether you think they are bad or good the above statement is is way over the top.

It like saying "Ok first thing, the Fiat Ritmo is faster then the Ferrarri F50", It does not matter how much you love that Fiat Ritmo, it will never ever be faster then the Ferrarri.

So, what kind of features are lacking?

BlackMoon · September 2007

Originally posted by Zarraa

Originally posted by BlackMoon

Despite the rare exception shown by one poster, I agree that the vast majority of asian MMO's are way too similar. And I refer to a greater similarity than the majority of western MMO's have, since all MMO's do have similarities.
Sure, they aren't all exactly the same. That was obviously a slight exaggeration. However, the MMO's I happen to have seen advertised on this website and others generally lead to the same Ragnarok/Silk Road/Whatever feel, which is more or less the same game repackaged with a different name.

Yes and the vast majority of Western MMO's are either a UO, EQ, AC, or DAOC clone or shameless rip off..

So while many Far Eastern or Asian MMO's mimic each other, fact is the majority of Western MMO's are follow our same basic formula as well.

It all comes down to you're taste but blindly claiming only Asian MMO's are clones is silly and shows true bias.

Seems you pretty much restated the exact same thing I said, except added some rediculous attempted 'insults' at the end.

As I said in my post, there are of course always going to be a similarity in all MMO's. You can say western MMO's are a shameless rip off, etc, whatever you like. The topic wasn't even about western MMO's, but of course it was thrown in.

I'm of the opinion that western developed/targeted/oriented MMO's have more of a variance of style/gameplay/mechanics than that of asian MMO's, which appear to have less of said variance ON THE WHOLE.

Now that I have basically rehashed everything, yes, it does come down to taste. Please point out where I "Blindly" claimed ONLY asian MMO's are clones. First off, I never "blindly" said anything as I indicated in my unedited post that "the MMO's I have seen advertised..." -- I base it off of that said experience, never do I claim to have tried every single asian MMO in existance and I am not certain why you felt the need to take my opinions so personally.

Geesh, practically have to be a lawyer to post on forums these days.

Gameloading · September 2007

Well the reason why it may seem like that asian MMO's clone each other more often is because the MMORPG market in Korea and to some extent China is a lot more advanced than the western market. MMORPG's in Korea are what First Person Shooters are in the west, every company, many with a low budget, wants a piece of the pie.

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