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CPmmo
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news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070920/ap_on_re_us/school_fight
This is the most ridiculous thing I have heard lately. People are standing up and protecting a bunch of hooligans. The 6 of them beat a kid. They only beat him for one reason. They beat him because he was white. If the reverse had happened the 6 of them would of been charged with a hate crime and would all go to prison for a long time. But for some reason the opposite is happening because the 6 people who did the beating are black. So for some reason they are getting a ton of support for this horrible crime that they commited. The victim in this case did nothing wrong. His only crime was being a white person. He was not involved in hanging up the nooses, nor was he taunting the black kids. He was chosen because he was white and then beaten extremely badly.
This is an injustice. It is an injustice that those 6 are not getting charged with hate crimes. They commited a cold blooded act movitated strictly by hatred.
Yes what the 3 students that hung the nooses up did was wrong. Instead of being suspended they should of been expelled like the Principle of the school was going to do. No what those 3 students did was not illegal because there is currently no Law that they could be charged under.
Even having a place where the white kids hung out isn't racism and it isn't illegal. In every school certain clicks end up hanging out together. Back when I was in Highschool (12 years ago) everyone broke up into their respective seperate groups and hung out in the same places. People from that group weren't welcoming to people from other groups. Guess what that is Highschool. There was places where the black people hung out at my school and they wouldn't of liked me sitting there. Just like there was a place where the goth kids hung out, skater kids hung out, the jocks hung out, and then I hung out with all the "advanced classes" kids. Cliques happen in school, they aren't going to stop that. People naturally want to hang out with people of similar interests.
I hate seeing criminals like these kids are getting all of this support over a non issue. The media is all over this story and talking about the injustices.
Where was the media and Rev Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, etc when the Duke lacrosse team was being treated unjustly? Why weren't they there marching for the civil rights and asking for a fair trial when the Duke guys weren't getting one? When it turned out they were innocent where were the appologies from the NAACP and the global media to the students at Duke. They were never treated fairly yet it wasn't considered racism.
What about the victim? Where is his justice? Why doesn't he matter?
In America Today we have a very real problem with racism and injustice and unfortunately it has swung the opposite way. The media and the "civil rights leaders" will jump over ever case of perseved injustice against a black person, but will totally ignore when a White person is being treated unfairly.
This whole case reminds me of those killings in the midwest a while back. The ones where two black individuals tortured and executed a bunch of white people. That wasn't considered a "hate" crime either. Even though they surely treated them in a hateful way.
The legal system needs to either universally apply hate crimes to all matters of prejudicial crime or they need to do away with it all together. Because Hate and racism go both ways.
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Two words.
White priviledge.
It's that boys priviledge to get his ass stomped to jelly because of the color of his skin.
I mean, we can't reasonably expect minorities to actually take responsibility for their actions. Hey, they're disadvantaged financially, what are they supposed to do? So it's ok for them to do these things, because they don't have to live up to the standards of civilized humans.
Your missing part of the story
"On August 31, 2006 at Jena High School in Jena, Louisiana a small group of black students asked if they could sit under a tree on the traditionally white side of the Jena High School square. The students were 'granted' permission, and proceeded to sit under the tree. On the following day, three nooses were found hanging from the tree in which the black students were sitting under. Throughout the semester, tension around the school began to mount as a result of the incident. Both parents and students staged protests, but the city's concern was mainly to keep everyone 'calm' threatening to "...make their lives disappear with the stroke of a pen." Racial incidents continued to occur in the town of Jena.
In one incident, a black student was assaulted by a white adult as he entered a predominantly white party. After being struck in the face without warning, the young black student was assaulted by white students wielding beer bottles and was punched and kicked before adults broke up the fight. It has been reported that the white assailant who threw the first punch was subsequently charged with simple battery (a misdemeanor), but there is no documentary evidence that anyone was charged"
Its not about the fight, its about the fact that a white student or students did the exact same thing and got a lesser charge for it. That is what the protest is about.
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I like how you think its right that when White kids beat up a black kid.. they get a small charge but when the black kids beat up a white kid the next night.. All of them are being charged as adults and one has been given 20+ years in prison...
Yupp.. WHERE IS THE JUSTICE for the poor white kid ....
I also love how This is considered attempted murder in Jena "The beating victim, Justin Barker, was knocked unconscious, his face badly swollen and bloodied, though he was able to attend a school function later that night."
Lets not forget about the nonsense robbery charge:
"A student who had attended the party encountered Bailey and several friends. An argument ensued, after which the white student ran to his pickup truck and produced a 12 guage shotgun with a laser sight. In the court transcripts, the gun owner states that as he was walking towards the convenience store, Bailey and his friends ran towards him after shouting, "We've got action."[14] Bailey then ran after the white student and wrestled him for control of the gun. Bailey's friends intervened in the scuffle and took the gun away. Bailey refused to return it and ultimately took it home with him. Local police reported that the accounts of the white student and black students contradicted each other and formed a report based on testimony taken from eyewitnesses. This resulted in Bailey being charged with three counts: theft of a firearm, second-degree robbery, and disturbing the peace. The white student who produced the weapon was not charged."
Since you know... Its perfectly normal for a person to pull out a shotgun on someone just after an arguement... But if the black kid grabs the gun before he is shot.. then its robbery..
THere is much much more going here then your retarded hatred for Crowds of black people..
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I'm White.
I'm gonna hold my opinion for now because it seems with every post I'm hearing about new information and its obvious i don't have enough of the story to go on.
If its your opinion that the black kids deserve 20 years in prison for beating up a kid or if its anything about the jena 6 case itself then fine.. speak your mind..
If its your opinion is about you hating the Reverand and the NAACP and groups of black people ... then .... hold your opinion
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If its your opinion that the black kids deserve 20 years in prison for beating up a kid or if its anything about the jena 6 case itself then fine.. speak your mind..
If its your opinion is about you hating the Reverand and the NAACP and groups of black people ... then .... hold your opinion
I think I used the wrong words. I mean I'm not going to even develop an opinion with all this new information I'm reading. I was going to give my thoughts on the news story buts its obvious that the news story didn't have the whole story. Giving any opinion right now would make me look like a douchebag simply because I don't have the whole story.
They were charged as adults, because under Louisiana law they are adults*.
Other than that, way to cherry pick your arguments from a Wikipedia article.
* Minus the 14 year old, and after the fact, Bell, who was charged as an adult due to his 4 prior convictions for violent crimes. His charges, as far as I've read were overturned.
Yo that's messed up. For doing that they get a week of suspension?! Yeah, I'd be furious too.
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Finally I don't see how the different incidents are related. Why should these kids get off for the horrible crime they committed? If they think the other kids got off to easy then protest that, but when a mother says her boy is a good kid and he has 4 prior convictions including one for assaulting a girlfriend. Wow, I must of been the second coming of Jesus if he was a good kid.
If that part in red was true then why do the protesters call for the black kids to get released? Shouldn't they instead be protesting the lesser punishments that the white kids received? Or shouldn't they be calling for the DA to be fired for letting them off? But there is no denying that what these 6 kids did was wrong and that they should be sent to prison. and I would say the same for the kids who attacking the black kid with beer bottles.
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So you think its right that when a white guy beats up a black guy he gets to spend one night in jail and gets out..
But when a white guy gets beat up 6 black guys go to jail for a year awaiting a trail for attempted murder?
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What's your Wu Name?
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I think it's ludicrous that they were given "attempted murder". At school? Get real..
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I don't have a problem with the harsh treatment they're getting. What I have a problem with is the lenient treatment the whites in this town have gotten. If you attack someone with a beer bottle it can be conceived as attempted murder, just the same as six people beating a guy into unconciousness is. Perhaps circumstances maneuvered this incident into occuring, perhaps if there weren't a tragic and unequal standard applied it wouldn't have happened. Perhaps the kid they beat up was a proud KKK member. But, the fact is that even murdering a child molester in prison is still murder. The crime here is no less severe just because the target may not have been a decent human being, or because similar crimes perpetrated by whites had gone unpunished.
The disparity in the law is the leniency shown to the whites, not the severity shown to these six. Have you ever seen someone beaten unconcious? It's not pretty, and it's not easy to watch. And let's not forget, Mychal Bell, the first convicted, is not exactly an angel. He has an extensive criminal record. Not exactly martyr material.
I mean a broken beer bottle can slice your right up.
When the fact remains that those kids committed a horrible crime and should be punished just like anyone else who commits a horrible crime should be.
I am still waiting for find out where Rev. Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, and the rest of the "civil rights" leaders were when the lacrosse team was being treated so poorly at Duke university. That was a bigger injustice then we have here, because at Duke they people arrested were actually innocent.
Yet there weren't any marches held to protest this injustice. There wasn't any media or stars saying why were those young men treated unfairly. Talk about racism.
What about Jessie Jackson's comment about Barack Obama? He said that "Obama was acting white because he wasn't focusing more on this issue." Acting "white"? Hmm I guess Jessie Jackson isn't racist either? Some of these supposed "civil rights" leaders are some of the most racist people in this country.
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Read some article about whites protesting in WV that they are going to be outnumbered by 2040 and whites aren't going to get the fair deal. Then there was a crowd of counter prostesters about them being racist white redneck nerds or something like that. Things like this happen every once in a while no doubt about it, but they need to reform the government on this issue it seems. Yes I know the white ancestors did inexcusable things to the ancestors of the blacks and indians, but it was the ancestors fault not the whites of todays fault. It seems they are just trying to get back at white people. Luckily im hispanic and hispanics have no ancestral problems with whites other than the mexican american war, but they helped us repel the french... Of course theres always the racist mexican jokes, but that doesn't mean im ganging up with 5 other hispanic buddies to beat up this white boy. Ok sorry for my pathetic post in a constructive thread such as this one, but hey at least I tried to make a good post.
EDIT: Not to mention.. Do you ever see a famous black guy go to jail? Look at Kobe Bryant he deserved to go to jail the day he set foot in the NBA... And then look at Michael Vick and everyone on his back. Ok one guy thats white that didn't go to jail for a serious crime... Michael Jackson. And not to mention sometimes ordinary blacks don't go to jail such as these 6 punks.
The trick is not to get caught.
Lets see what happened after the Protest.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2007/09/21/bpr.charges.noose.cnn
Gotto love those folks over in louisianna
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This whole thing is a media frenzy and a national issue for all the wrong reasons...let me explain why.
As we all know there is always two sides to a story (sometimes more). Information from both sides of the crimes (white and black side) have differences in them and there is no 100% irrefutable evidence that says that the white kids viciously beat a black kid, or that the 6 black boys viciously attempted to murder a white kid or why either of these things occurred (hanging of the nooses, racial tension, school yard fights). Neither of the sides will agree to everything that happened that night because it will incriminate them so they spin the truth to their favor (it's human nature). The court testimonies could also not be valid because the boys were given an unfair trial (no jury of their peers, the judge could have been racist, the judge could have been pressured by other people, someone along the chain of command could have had a personal connection to the white boy beaten).
There are plenty of websites, news channels, and newspapers that caught wind of the story and printed the story that they got, there are plenty of different stories. I've heard that after the noose hangings the black student body held a protest under the tree then later in the day white students beat up black students which drove the 6 boys to beat the white boy. I've heard the black boys were just acting up "like they always do". I've heard the beating of the white student was out of self defense. There are plenty of versions of the story and thus it's hard to be able to pass judgement on something that is not accurately depicted. That's like someone watching a person play a video game for 30 minutes then kill themself so they blame the suicide on the video game, when it could have been multiple factors that led to the suicide.
The people protesting in Jena may have a noble intent in that the Jena 6 were unfairly treated, and they want someone to pay for the injustices suffered. They are there for the wrong reasons in that they may want to string up all of Jena as a racist town, the white students should get harsher punishments for the same crime, they want to make a public display of the white students.
I will put my opinion this way, if it was after the hanging of the nooses and the white students beating up black students that the Jena 6 beat a white student severely, but not severely enough to stop him from going to a school function on the same night, they should drop the charges to misdemeanor battery or assault. If the Jena 6 had the intent of killing the white student and the white student was beaten severely enough to justify it, then the Jena 6 should go to prison for attempted murder. The punishment should be fitting for the crime, and the punishment should also be decided by unbiased, unaffiliated parties.
Since there is plenty of different stories and information about the case I will reserve full judgement until I read a story that is agreed upon by all parties involved and ascertain all the correct information. You really shouldn't judge things without all the information because in the end it makes you look like a fool. In it's current state, with the facts I have now in this point in time, I believe that the Jena 6 should have their sentences lessened and all guilty parties involved should pay for their crimes (including the people with power who got off the white students be it may).
P.S.~ If it turns out to be that the Jena 6 were treated unjustly then it will set us back yet again as a nation, and it will yet again another day that I am sad to call myself an American. It will create more insecurities in the black community and make it harder for honest, caring, respectful people like myself to be able to gain the black communities trust and friendship.
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My opinions:
1. There is definitely a lack of equal justice, on both sides. Those black adults ( tired of seeing them portrayed as poor teens when they were all over 18 except for one or two) should be sentenced to the maximun allowed. Those white kids who hung the nooses in the tree should be charged with either a hate crime, incitement to riot, or both; and should be sentenced to the maximum allowed.
2. Al Sharpton is a racist bigot, and does nothing unless it gets his face and loud mouth on the news or in papers.
3. Jesse Jackson, who does have faults, for the most part tries to be a mediator between parties and tries to find a peaceful solution.
4. Although I respect the NAACP for what it is stated to stand for, it has become a political tool for the Sharpton's and Farrahkan's of the world to use in their agendas. Also, if I were to start the NAAWP or the NAAHP, I'd automatically be labeled a racist and refused permission for my foundation to exist. Last time I checked, white people can't get a scholarship from the NAACP.
I think these guys should be let free. Why? Because when I was growing up, I got in some fights that were way rougher and far larger in scale and no one got convicted of anything. Yeah, we had to spend a few nights in the county jail with real criminals, but the law never had to get any more involved than that.
The problem with today's society is that it seems to think that violence is something that can be eliminated rather than an integral part of human nature. Violence is a part of nearly every young man's life and the generations before this one made room for that within some very clear and common sense guidelines. Fist fights were nothing more than business as usual, but once weapons came into play it would be assault. Simple no?
On top of that, these young men had been antagonized by the white students at this school and the "authority" turned a largely blind eye. Sure, they paid lip service, but letting a kid go after he came at you with a broken beer bottle? Even in my day that would have been crossing the line? In this kind of situation, when you and yours are being threatened and the "law" is doing nothing about it, you have to take matters into your own hands. When law men break the law, there is no law.
This was a case of boys being boys and the law doesn't need to get any more involved.
If you cant obey the laws in your country, you should be put in jail. No matter what color your skin is.
And beating up some kid, is down right stupid... Oh cry more about a fucking tree, seriously get a life.
If you think this is a matter to discuss, then get a life.
You voted for a government. And that government happen to have rule against hate crimes and what not. If you dont agree with your government, or cant cope with it. Find another country where you can live as you want. Yes, there are incidents where one could argue for the sake of one party, and other arguments that could favor another party. But if the white parents beat up some black kid, why didnt they get put in jail?
Both goes to the black kids, the white kids and the white parents.
Dude, you should just be put away emmidiately...
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The kids at the party who beat up the black kid and these 6 should all go away for the maximum. They are hooligans and nothing more. They will all end up in jail eventually anyways and they will never be a successful member of society.
Violence has never been a integral part of human nature. It is one of the worst things that humans are capable of and brings up back to the level of animals. The ability to rise above the usage of violence is what makes us human beings. The people that are incapable of doing so are nothing more then animals. (and that goes for them no matter what the color of their skin is)
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Dude, you should just be put away emmidiately...
Get a job hippie!
ya, they beat someone up, he was released from the hospital later that day and attended a "social event" that evening. That is not attempted murder under any circumstances. Fights happen all the time, and its especially ridiculous when the same thing happened in reverse and they got off fine. Im honestly not looking at this as "black vs white" thing, its just two groups of kids did the same thing to each other and one got attempted murder and one got basically nothing.