I guess something important to consider is the fact that 'some' players do like the NGE. The population is made up of new players who never knew the old system as well as old players who simply grew to like it. If SOE made changes now, they would really upset the NGE fans.
Of course, there is a simple, obvious and proven way to have to both ways: classic servers.
This is EXACTLY what needs to be done and I never played pre-CU or CU and even I can see it.
They are changing the game, now, on the NGE player base making moves back to what was before but are severlly limited in what they do and probably what they can do. They are now alienating another player base because of these moves to try and entice vets back. There has been posts on their forums of players stating that SOE is not interested in "new players" anylonger, just getting vets to return.
They have several (SEVERAL) servers with almost NO population on them. It should be a fairly easy job to move what is left of the population of these servers to the 3 decent population servers thereby freeing up at least 10 existing servers for classic servers. The low population servers are screaming for free transfers and would empty out fairly quickly. But SOE is milking the paid server transfer system and will not put out free transfers as this is 1 of the sure fire ways they can maximise their profits from what little player base they have left.
From what I understand, They could empty 10 servers, install classic code, and double their base almost overnight. Makes no sence to me why they don't.
We almost had a SWG convention last night on Entropia Universe. 14 recent former/currant subscribers running around the noob area in EU, with more coming tonight. If this keeps up, Kauri will empty even if they don't do free server transfers. What I think is the big draw / reasoning for the holding on of SWG is the community, not the game. It was nice to run with all those people again.
I've always wanted to see classic servers, once I saw that a new group of gamers had started investing in the NGE. I don't want new gamers to lose their progress and what makes things fun for them, but I've always wanted to see others have their game/community/fun restored via classics.
I understand the stated rationale for not doing this (not enough resources to support 2 versions of the game), but I've often wondered if there's more to that story that can't be shared publicly. Also regarding cost issues, you might even get volunteers to maintain the classic servers--so many people are so passionate about the original game.
Anyways I "get" that SOE/LA took a different approach, trying to keep the simplified mechanics of the NGE, fewer professions etc., and at the same time, trying to win back some vets by restoring things that were removed. I get it, but I've always thought it's a shaky solution. Too much NGEness and you lose the vets, too much oldschool and you lose the NGE crowd. Also, a lot of vets aren't all too excited about waiting for stuff to be brought back piece-meal over the course of years, and the game modifications to try to cater to both target audiences can come across as a never ending beta session. For others, the restored things like creature handling just don't compare to what they once knew and loved.
So, I think I understand the rationale behind the current approach, and some of my friends are glad to have some of the old things back in some form, but I would have preferred a classic server option.
I can certainly tell that you are concerned about all the customer bases that SOE has created. As far as I can tell, SOE has created at least 4 different player bases, at 4 different occasions, since the inception. 1 at pre-CU, 2 at CU, 3 at NGE, (maybe 4 at GCW revamp which I was there for) and definatly 4 at C6 Combat Downgrade. The thread, at the SWG dev boards, over the diss-mayed of C6 continues to grow. Last time I looked it was around 72 pages with over 1024 posts, all with deafening silence from SOE.
SOE has made these groups all with massive changes to their single game, in effect creating 4 different games. You can see it here on the refuge forums. Many vets saying they would return to only pre-CU, others saying that CU was OK, expecially just before the NGE, others (although very small percentage) saying that NGE was somewhat OK, and then there are the people like me that left over C6CD. And your also right, vets, of each change, want their game back. Not a rehashed version of what once was. I seen that with Beast Master. Most vets, still on game, were making post after post of "we want to tame animals", "give us back creature handler" instead of just what BM contained.
BM was just fine for me. (I started just after NGE) It was an addition. I could go for it or choose to opt out of. No1 had to go BM. But the combat downgrade and the "WoW-ification" of the combat stats was a like it or leave it. Perhaps if they are going to bring in these changes, for whatever reason, the best way to have done it was to make it an option. But, SOE producer/development makes tweaks with a sledge hammer even after saying in the interview here that they would not re-create the mistakes of the past. Great interview Dm and Blix. I just wish you would have listened to your own words.
This is EXACTLY what needs to be done and I never played pre-CU or CU and even I can see it.
They are changing the game, now, on the NGE player base making moves back to what was before but are severlly limited in what they do and probably what they can do. They are now alienating another player base because of these moves to try and entice vets back. There has been posts on their forums of players stating that SOE is not interested in "new players" anylonger, just getting vets to return. They have several (SEVERAL) servers with almost NO population on them. It should be a fairly easy job to move what is left of the population of these servers to the 3 decent population servers thereby freeing up at least 10 existing servers for classic servers. The low population servers are screaming for free transfers and would empty out fairly quickly. But SOE is milking the paid server transfer system and will not put out free transfers as this is 1 of the sure fire ways they can maximise their profits from what little player base they have left. From what I understand, They could empty 10 servers, install classic code, and double their base almost overnight. Makes no sence to me why they don't.
We almost had a SWG convention last night on Entropia Universe. 14 recent former/currant subscribers running around the noob area in EU, with more coming tonight. If this keeps up, Kauri will empty even if they don't do free server transfers. What I think is the big draw / reasoning for the holding on of SWG is the community, not the game. It was nice to run with all those people again.
hahaha, sorry dude but it seems you actualy don't even know Star Wars Galaxies, trust me even disgrunted VETS wil tell you it absolutly no EASY JOB, now i understand why this section is so confusing with serten persons. Try and think next time, try and use your mind and not in that close minded way you mostly do it but try and actualy look at what would be needed to do this EASY JOB as you state it. I have no problems with people who would like transfers but i have a problem if people are so ignorant in thinking it could be done easyly as that wil proof that these individuals absolutly have no idea what they are talking about. Sorry to say.
Don't even have a clue, do you? Again with just a personal attack, no reasoning, no valid arguement, just hahaha, sorry dude............
This is an excerpt of the GCW and those, currantly in game, taking part in it. With these number being just about the only numbers that SOE devs are not "playing with" now, these are about the only numbers that any1 can rely on, ATM. 8 servers with GCW of under 400 people on a single server taking part. This number also includes alts and many have alts in the GCW also. The playing with numbers, like the forums are what I have posted on before. 2000 (paid) accounts online and 49,000 visitors. Woooohoooo 51,000 people online! Right! ( /sarcasm )
They already have a medium for server transfers. They do it everyday, just they collect $50 to $100 for it now ,so they can do it. The only problem discussed via their boards is resources and there has been several suggestions made to rectify that. They simple choose not to.
Go ahead and stick your perverbial head in the sand if you want. With the new MMORPGs, (STO, SGW, and others) coming out next year and very possibly a SWG2, your game could very well be on the chopping block unless they (and you) do something, and quick, to save it and draw a loyal base. I know for a fact that Entropia Universe has now 16 subs that SOE USED to have, just last month. (and I'm doing everything in my power to make it even more)
There is a very strong probability that SWG will be on the chopping block before too much longer. I do know that they have NOTHING on their development schedule past CH8 at the moment.
There is a very strong probability that SWG will be on the chopping block before too much longer. I do know that they have NOTHING on their development schedule past CH8 at the moment.
Sure am gonna miss my business. I primarily used SWG as a means to divert my compulsive shopping addiction in RL.
More I played in-game (Buying rares to resell) less I spent in RL.
Anyone recommend another MMO that allows for your own shop/decor/vendor's?
or am I SOL with SOE SWG?
I don't think any player on any server has the amount of crap I have.
I'll have to take screenies for memories I suppose.
There is a very strong probability that SWG will be on the chopping block before too much longer. I do know that they have NOTHING on their development schedule past CH8 at the moment.
Sure am gonna miss my business. I primarily used SWG as a means to divert my compulsive shopping addiction in RL.
More I played in-game (Buying rares to resell) less I spent in RL.
Anyone recommend another MMO that allows for your own shop/decor/vendor's?
or am I SOL with SOE SWG?
I don't think any player on any server has the amount of crap I have.
I'll have to take screenies for memories I suppose.
I collected too in SWG. I wish I'd have taken more screenshots. Entropia Universe has npc vendors, shops, player houseing, just about all of what SWG used to have and does have atm. MASSIVE World, space (although I haven't got there yet), they advertise 600K subs, single server, free to play, etc etc. It is alot harder to progress in all of these features due to the "real cash economy" tho. Just takes longer.
<snip> I collected too in SWG. I wish I'd have taken more screenshots. Eutropia Universe has npc vendors, shops, player houseing, just about all of what SWG used to have and does have atm. It is alot harder to progress in all of these features due to the "real cash economy" tho. Just takes longer.
Not what I need then... like letting a fat kid loose in a candy store
Don't need to spend RL money for in-game items... Monthly/Yearly flat-fee. Period.
Would defeat the purpose for a compulsive shopper to join such a game.
SOE's unethical behavior, regarding SWG CUNGE and the deliberately borked and gated EQ expansions is business as usual for the corporation that brought you CD price collusion (busted twice for that), secret rootkits, etc...
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Of course, there is a simple, obvious and proven way to have to both ways: classic servers.
This is EXACTLY what needs to be done and I never played pre-CU or CU and even I can see it.
They are changing the game, now, on the NGE player base making moves back to what was before but are severlly limited in what they do and probably what they can do. They are now alienating another player base because of these moves to try and entice vets back. There has been posts on their forums of players stating that SOE is not interested in "new players" anylonger, just getting vets to return.
They have several (SEVERAL) servers with almost NO population on them. It should be a fairly easy job to move what is left of the population of these servers to the 3 decent population servers thereby freeing up at least 10 existing servers for classic servers. The low population servers are screaming for free transfers and would empty out fairly quickly. But SOE is milking the paid server transfer system and will not put out free transfers as this is 1 of the sure fire ways they can maximise their profits from what little player base they have left.
From what I understand, They could empty 10 servers, install classic code, and double their base almost overnight. Makes no sence to me why they don't.
We almost had a SWG convention last night on Entropia Universe. 14 recent former/currant subscribers running around the noob area in EU, with more coming tonight. If this keeps up, Kauri will empty even if they don't do free server transfers. What I think is the big draw / reasoning for the holding on of SWG is the community, not the game. It was nice to run with all those people again.
I've always wanted to see classic servers, once I saw that a new group of gamers had started investing in the NGE. I don't want new gamers to lose their progress and what makes things fun for them, but I've always wanted to see others have their game/community/fun restored via classics.
I understand the stated rationale for not doing this (not enough resources to support 2 versions of the game), but I've often wondered if there's more to that story that can't be shared publicly. Also regarding cost issues, you might even get volunteers to maintain the classic servers--so many people are so passionate about the original game.
Anyways I "get" that SOE/LA took a different approach, trying to keep the simplified mechanics of the NGE, fewer professions etc., and at the same time, trying to win back some vets by restoring things that were removed. I get it, but I've always thought it's a shaky solution. Too much NGEness and you lose the vets, too much oldschool and you lose the NGE crowd. Also, a lot of vets aren't all too excited about waiting for stuff to be brought back piece-meal over the course of years, and the game modifications to try to cater to both target audiences can come across as a never ending beta session. For others, the restored things like creature handling just don't compare to what they once knew and loved.
So, I think I understand the rationale behind the current approach, and some of my friends are glad to have some of the old things back in some form, but I would have preferred a classic server option.
I can certainly tell that you are concerned about all the customer bases that SOE has created. As far as I can tell, SOE has created at least 4 different player bases, at 4 different occasions, since the inception. 1 at pre-CU, 2 at CU, 3 at NGE, (maybe 4 at GCW revamp which I was there for) and definatly 4 at C6 Combat Downgrade. The thread, at the SWG dev boards, over the diss-mayed of C6 continues to grow. Last time I looked it was around 72 pages with over 1024 posts, all with deafening silence from SOE.
SOE has made these groups all with massive changes to their single game, in effect creating 4 different games. You can see it here on the refuge forums. Many vets saying they would return to only pre-CU, others saying that CU was OK, expecially just before the NGE, others (although very small percentage) saying that NGE was somewhat OK, and then there are the people like me that left over C6CD. And your also right, vets, of each change, want their game back. Not a rehashed version of what once was. I seen that with Beast Master. Most vets, still on game, were making post after post of "we want to tame animals", "give us back creature handler" instead of just what BM contained.
BM was just fine for me. (I started just after NGE) It was an addition. I could go for it or choose to opt out of. No1 had to go BM. But the combat downgrade and the "WoW-ification" of the combat stats was a like it or leave it. Perhaps if they are going to bring in these changes, for whatever reason, the best way to have done it was to make it an option. But, SOE producer/development makes tweaks with a sledge hammer even after saying in the interview here that they would not re-create the mistakes of the past. Great interview Dm and Blix. I just wish you would have listened to your own words.
Don't even have a clue, do you? Again with just a personal attack, no reasoning, no valid arguement, just hahaha, sorry dude............
500 Ahazi (4.42%), 831 Bloodfin (7.35%), 723 Bria (6.4%), 510 Chilastra (4.51%), 454 Corbantis (4.02%), 393 Eclipse (3.48%), 694 Europe-Chimaera (6.14%), 507 Europe-FarStar (4.49%), 492 Europe-Infinity (4.35%), 522 Flurry (4.62%), 574 Gorath (5.08%), 500 Intrepid (4.42%), 228 Kauri (2.01%), 289 Kettemoor (2.55%), 412 Lowca (3.64%), 322 Naritus (2.85%), 439 Radiant (3.88%), 394 Scylla (3.48%), 491 Shadowfire (4.34%), 464 Starsider (4.1%), 348 Sunrunner (3.08%), 258 Tarquinas (2.28%), 307 Tempest (2.71%), 322 Valcyn (2.85%), 317 Wanderhome (2.8%)
(RIP Kauri, I will remember it well)
This is an excerpt of the GCW and those, currantly in game, taking part in it. With these number being just about the only numbers that SOE devs are not "playing with" now, these are about the only numbers that any1 can rely on, ATM. 8 servers with GCW of under 400 people on a single server taking part. This number also includes alts and many have alts in the GCW also. The playing with numbers, like the forums are what I have posted on before. 2000 (paid) accounts online and 49,000 visitors. Woooohoooo 51,000 people online! Right! ( /sarcasm )
They already have a medium for server transfers. They do it everyday, just they collect $50 to $100 for it now ,so they can do it. The only problem discussed via their boards is resources and there has been several suggestions made to rectify that. They simple choose not to.
Go ahead and stick your perverbial head in the sand if you want. With the new MMORPGs, (STO, SGW, and others) coming out next year and very possibly a SWG2, your game could very well be on the chopping block unless they (and you) do something, and quick, to save it and draw a loyal base. I know for a fact that Entropia Universe has now 16 subs that SOE USED to have, just last month. (and I'm doing everything in my power to make it even more)
There is a very strong probability that SWG will be on the chopping block before too much longer. I do know that they have NOTHING on their development schedule past CH8 at the moment.
Sure am gonna miss my business. I primarily used SWG as a means to divert my compulsive shopping addiction in RL.
More I played in-game (Buying rares to resell) less I spent in RL.
Anyone recommend another MMO that allows for your own shop/decor/vendor's?
or am I SOL with SOE SWG?
I don't think any player on any server has the amount of crap I have.
I'll have to take screenies for memories I suppose.
If you do not stand-up for what you believe in... No one else will.
BBB=Useless see why:
http://www.sandiego.bbb.org/sponsors/major.html
Sure am gonna miss my business. I primarily used SWG as a means to divert my compulsive shopping addiction in RL.
More I played in-game (Buying rares to resell) less I spent in RL.
Anyone recommend another MMO that allows for your own shop/decor/vendor's?
or am I SOL with SOE SWG?
I don't think any player on any server has the amount of crap I have.
I'll have to take screenies for memories I suppose.
I collected too in SWG. I wish I'd have taken more screenshots. Entropia Universe has npc vendors, shops, player houseing, just about all of what SWG used to have and does have atm. MASSIVE World, space (although I haven't got there yet), they advertise 600K subs, single server, free to play, etc etc. It is alot harder to progress in all of these features due to the "real cash economy" tho. Just takes longer.
Not what I need then... like letting a fat kid loose in a candy store
Don't need to spend RL money for in-game items... Monthly/Yearly flat-fee. Period.
Would defeat the purpose for a compulsive shopper to join such a game.
If you do not stand-up for what you believe in... No one else will.
BBB=Useless see why:
http://www.sandiego.bbb.org/sponsors/major.html
SOE's unethical behavior, regarding SWG CUNGE and the deliberately borked and gated EQ expansions is business as usual for the corporation that brought you CD price collusion (busted twice for that), secret rootkits, etc...
Sony is the Enron of the technology industry.