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Ahmadinejad Really Might Be Just Crazy...Flatout Crazy.
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My favorite (if you can call it that) exerpt from his musings:
"Asked about executions of homosexuals in Iran, Ahmadinejad said the judiciary system executed violent criminals and high-level drug dealers, comparing them to microbes eliminated through medical treatment. Pressed specifically about punishment of homosexuals, he said: "In Iran we don't have homosexuals like in your country."
With the audience laughing derisively, he continued: "In Iran we do not have this phenomenon. I don't know who's told you that we have this.""
I guess Denial is a river that runs through Iran as well now...
Tell you what things are getting shakier and shakier out there and this guy is just the one to push things over the top.
"It is easier to be cruel than wise. The road to wisdom is long and difficult... so most people just turn out to be assholes" Feng (Christopher Walken)
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I wouldnt say he is in denial. There are more than a handful of countries out there with no known homosexuals. Homosexuality is just something shunned upon in their culture, and Islam. I think killing them is wrong, but im not going to shit on the man for saying what he said, its just how they live. We live how we live, and they live how they live, who is the US to judge?
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Btw...It is not me as a US citizen judging him, it is me as a human judging another human. It is that type of ignorance from that man in a position of power that is going to lead to even more problems in the world than we already have. Did you even read the link, the other comments he made were just as ignorant if not more so.
"It is easier to be cruel than wise. The road to wisdom is long and difficult... so most people just turn out to be assholes" Feng (Christopher Walken)
Btw...It is not me as a US citizen judging him, it is me as a human judging another human. It is that type of ignorance from that man in a position of power that is going to lead to even more problems in the world than we already have. Did you even read the link, the other comments he made were just as ignorant if not more so.
Ive read the entire transcript/speach off CNN. What he said was more of a defensive response than a true answer. I really dont think he wanted to say "we kill gays in Iran because its against our religion and culture". If he said that he would be shot leaving the building.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
This sums up what the American people think of him. This guy probably believes that there are no homosexuals in his country because of their persecution. I mean, would you openly profess to be gay if you knew tomorrow you'd be shot/burned/hanged/whatever in the local stadium?--No. What he means to say is, "There are no homosexuals (that are alive) in my country...that I've seen." This, as well as the Holocaust statements, is what won't let me dismiss his idea on nukes and Israel.
If a person is born homosexual in his country then what are they going to do? They have to either live a secret life in fear of being imprisoned or executed or they can risk their life trying to escape. That is sickening. That's not a way of life, that is a way of entrapment of others.
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His statement about homosexuals reminds me of what the old timers say in the U.S. I've heard plenty of old people say there just weren't all these homosexuals around when they were younger.
Oh, Really?
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Ahmadinejad is a Holocaust Homosexuality Denier. Well, that clears things up. We in America like to rotate our hate of foreign dictators. At present, we're rotating out the Jews and bringing in the homosexuals. There's enough for everyone.
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Yea, he is like an Iranian version of Bush. Yea, two dumbasses + Nuclear Weapons + Populations that won't do shit = WAR!!!!! :O
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I don't get it. This is pretty simple. He states the holocaust did not exist. Er. by our educations, this is wrong. He stated that Homosexuals do not exist in his pocket. I think we all laugh at the idea. Most importantly, they call him president, but he is NOT the leader of Iran. Anyone with a base education in PS knows this...He is the figurehead. The speaker. The foreign face of reason if you will. So, if he can say these things and end up at Columbia University to give a speech. I just happen to know a chap from Indonesia who claims the US was never in Vietnam, the Kmer Rouge was a CIA mask, and no one has died since WWii, and they were all French!! Really, anyone who thinks for 1.2 seconds that this guy has any power whatsoever is a fool, and although his message of non-proliferation and non-violence is appealing, it does not reflect the opinion of the Ayatollah. I do not seek a war with Iran, and I fervently opposed a war with Iraq, but don't allow your sympathy to sink into agreement with a man who spreads layer upon layer of falsehood. We are Americans for fucks sake. Haven't we been lied to enough by our own to allow lies in from abroad.
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I dunno man, after you've been lied to enough, anything can happen. I mean, who can do you believe when your military, your government and your media just doesn't get it?
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I have to say that he gave an excellent speech and his intelligence is far beyond Bush's.
'Haven't we been lied to enough by our own to allow lies in from abroad.'
I think that foreign leaders, seeing how we take it from behind so willingly from our own politicians, figure that we're willing to take it that way from ANYone. I mean, we have become sheep, so we shouldn't be surprised when other countries' politicians treat us that way, too.
This is sooo ripe...
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at Columbia University, New York, demonstrates the futility of attempts at US-Iranian dialogue
September 24, 2007, 11:52 PM (GMT+02:00)
The Iranian president, clearly enjoying every moment of the uproar he provoked in American discourse, parried the tough questions posed him at the end of his speech to 600 students and faculty Monday, Sept. 24, by throwing questions back, longwinded evasions and barefaced lies.
From his first words, Ahmadinejad showed that, far from being a potential partner for dialogue, he incarnates the arrogant, intolerant certainty that there is only one correct path, the one pursued by the Islamic Revolutionary Republic of Iran. Even so, his glib, hectoring style of speech is known to grate on more than one of his colleagues at home.
As demonstrators rallied outside the campus, the Iranian president was asked if he supported terrorism. He replied that Iran was itself a victim of terrorism. He did not mention the US, but cited the camps in Iraq housing terrorists responsible for 4000 Iranian deaths, a transparent reference to the opposition Iranian Mujahedin Qalq. The Americans banned this group for many years, reactivating it last year in response to Iran’s massive aid to Iraqi insurgents fighting US troops.
Asked about his government’s nuclear program, Ahmadinejad said its intentions were peaceful. Therefore, he said: “Iran does not want the bomb.”
Ahmadinejad dodged the question about his declared wish to wipe Israel off the map by saying the Palestinians must have the freedom to self-determination. But at the end of his speech, he said: Iran has always sought friendly relations with all nations except for two, “the South African apartheid regime (which no long exists) and the Zionist regime.”
He thus obliquely reaffirmed his wish for the latter to go the same way as the former, off the map.
Regarding his denial of the Nazi Holocaust, he declared piously: “We academics must always pursue more research.”
Women are free and respected in Iranian culture, said the Iranian president with great solemnity, when asked why Iranian women were denied human rights. As to the execution of homosexuals, “We do not have homosexuals in our country like you,” said he with a straight face.
Interestingly, the Iranian president was not heckled or interrupted even once, even at his most outrageous. Some of his comments were greeted with applause. He clearly attained his main objective: a respectful hearing in the heart of a prestigious American center of learning in New York.
Ahmadinejad showed he was skeptical not only of the “Holocaust myth” but America’s affirmation of the “real hands” behind the 9/11 atrocities when he asked: “Who really did execute the attack?” This question will be understood in Arab and Muslim bazaars as echoing the anti-Semitic libel current there that the al Qaeda attack was a Zionist plot.
Even though Columbia University President Lee Bollinger greeted the Iranian visitor as “a cruel and petty tyrant and terrorist,” there his no gainsaying that he granted a coveted platform to a world figure who abused it to disseminate a creed which holds the Iranian race, culture and religion superior to any other and whose highest objective is the downfall of Big Satan America and Little Satan Israel.
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/video/stoning_video_100kbps.wmv
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Ok I did a quick search.
I do not hink I am allowed to link them but do a search for "arabic" at gamelink or channel69?
There must be a reason that most of the porn created around there is aimed at gays?
Fairly sure MR. Mhamujahedin has "bitten the pillow" on more the one occasion.
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Originally posted by Jerek_
I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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Anyhow, "in the old days" there were less in a sense. That being that society didn't just think of homosexuality as taboo, but worse. Those that even felt conflicted about their sexuality may have lived their entire life without actually performing a homosexual act. Or committed suicide, suffered "mental breakdown," etc.
BTW I don't mean to derail the real subject here. Ahmadinejad is pretty much out there. And as stated previously, he does not hold any actual power in Iran. He is a figurehead of a democratically elected official in a nation which all power runs through unelected officials.
Frodus, do you enjoy bias?
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At least Iran is doing one thing right.
This is sooo ripe...
You called this one daeandor....I almost picked it last night, but then I decided that I don't eat from the tree of uneducation. Just leave it for the crows.
"It is easier to be cruel than wise. The road to wisdom is long and difficult... so most people just turn out to be assholes" Feng (Christopher Walken)
Plain and simple: any leader (or figurehead or whatever fucking thing that idiot represents) that can flat out deny the Holocaust or any other tragedy documented and validated world wide, could easily deny any atrocities/injustices occuring in his own backyard without breaking a sweat or batting an eye.
Fuck Iran, just drop this guy in a nuclear reactor and call it a draw.
This is sooo ripe...
You called this one daeandor....I almost picked it last night, but then I decided that I don't eat from the tree of uneducation. Just leave it for the crows.
You don't like Bush and you wish the "population" would do something about him? Well, you know, he IS our duely elected president. So what would you suggest the "population" (by which I assume you mean the people like you who hate him) should do? Should you have a revolution? Just throw our democratic system out the window, overthrow the government and install a dictatorship headed by someone who thinks like you so that he could enforce true-think and abolish ungood political ideas?
You might want to think things through a little more before you start calling other people dumbasses.
In regards to the speach there was one kernel of truth in there: the Palestinian situation. Americans do tend to dismiss that a little too lightly. In all fairness we should at least acknowledge that there is an injustice going on there. They do have a legitimate grievance. I can't say that I love them or that I'm rooting for them in any way. But it is hypocrtical of people to sigh and moan about oppression and injustice perpetrated on other groups and then refuse to even admit that the Palestinians have any reason to be upset.
You guys realize what Iran is doing is none of our business, right? Yeah they punish homosexuals and are responsible for other human right's abuses, does this mean we need to drop bombs on them or do anything? Why are we allies with Saudi Arabia? They are a spitting image of Iran's human right's abuses. The Saudi Monarchy tortures and kills homosexuals. We don't do anything because they have oil and we want it so we overlook their shortcomings. Then there is China and Pakistan (which I won't get into). Morals have nothing to do with foreign policy, it's just BS that our leaders and media feed you to support them....and you eat it all up. Pity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykd-syzZ4ZY
He is more truthful and honest then our (USA) own government.
the "gay" comment was very honest. He says they do not have "gays" like there are in the US. For obvious reasons they aren't in the open - oppression & cultural differences, religous beliefs.
His "denial of the holocaust" is also very logical in the means he presents it. He does not doubt that many people were killed, nor does he doubt that many "jews" were or were not killed, he questions the authenticity of the "holocaust" being used as a defensive means for the creation of an Israeli state and continued persecution of Palestinians by the benefactors. Many millions of people died during WWII yet the creation of Israel has caused the most grief. Doubting or questioning the validity of State of Israel does not make one anti-semetic.
Media is too damned filtered in the US. There's a thin sliver of our population who ever gets to see anything remotely resembling the truth other then a media blitz to sell a new Xbox 360 game or a few magazines.
What I want to know about Mr Iranian President is: A full explanation of his views regarding and his envolvement with the Iranian Hostage Crisis in 1979. He was reported to be a main player in the hostage taking and was alledgedly part of reason which got him elected to the positiion in Iran. Yet he says "let's not return to the past"?