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Got robbed and Concord protects the thief, wtf?!
RadiationStorm
Member Posts: 120
Hi, first post on this great site, I like it here and hope for great MMOG's in future.. and well bla bla I need too improve my standing thus write something so I can rate games. 
In any case I wanna tell you guys a little story;
I got robbed yesterday. Now I don't mind the fact I did get robbed even if it was frustrating, the more choices one has the better it is for the MMOG in my opinion. What I do mind though is that f**king Concord actually protected the thief! I was mining, had about 4.5m³ of Scor in a jettison can, had to fly back to station to get my indy, when I got back I saw some freighter at my can I targeted him but could not fire because of Concord (.9sys). When I finally got to the container it had been looted. It was a good 40mins work and I wanted revenge so I waited for this guy with my Rifter. I didn't care if Concord would kill me aslong as I took him with me. It did surprise me somewhat that this guy just happened to be passing through and with a indy at that but I had a feeling he'd go for cans again. When I found him I fired, had him like 3/4 damaged then Concord came. I made a run for it but was destroyed within a sec (doh) and he just picked up whatever there was left.
Seriously, what the f**k?! I mean okay so I had used an unprotected can, that's not the issue but it's a joke that Concord intervened I had every right to shoot this guy. What sort of justice is it when you can loot other peoples containers, get protected by the police for it but the ones who got robbed can't even take care of it or file charges with this so called police?! In any case I think AI sucks and should have no place in online games. I do understand that some zones have to be protected for the new people but this is ridiculous and is simply protecting the wrong ones. As if all of this wasn't enough, I couldn't even place a bounty on this guys head because officially... he had a clean reputation! -.1 geez, lmao.
This isn't the first AI I see ingame running the show and usually they play a too bigger role which they shouldn't, apart from a noob zone it should be the players doing the policing imho and the makers (CCP I believe) should do something about it. Anyone else have a problem with this issue?
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there was this guy who stole my unlocked bike so I went and brought my gun and shot at him, and the the police came and arested me...I mean..wtf??
Mine in secure cans if you dont want ore-theives to steal from you
Hi
This is my first post as well. I am quite sorry that you got a pretty rotten deal. But you were mining in a system with a security rating of greater than 0.5, meaning it's gonna be alot harder to protect your cargo. I have never mind anywhere greater than 0.5. And I have never left my corp buddies' cans unprotected.
I'll repeat that I agree you got a crappy deal, but at the end of the day, you agreed to the terms of that deal, so to speak:
You chose to mine in a 0.9 security system.
You chose to go mining alone, and then leave your cargo unprotected.
You the chose to shoot someone in CONCORD patrolled space, and got blown up in the process.
The fact that the police are far from perfect makes perfect sense. They killed someone who disturbed the peace. I've been playing the game for a week now, and I haven't done any of those things, and I'm still making alot of money. Join a corp if you ain't in one already, and never do mining ops alone, at least not in space where you cant blow any can thieves up!
Good luck
Death'sHand
Locked or unlocked since when is theft legit?
I said the issue is not the unlocked container nor the theft but the fact that police defended him, where were they for me? I could not file charges, I had to watch him loot the container, I wasn't able to place bounty...
Don't pull that real life card on me, first of all it's a game, secondly in reality you would not watch anyone steal your things nor would the police help him load you bike into a truck now would they? Doh.
Death'sHand thank you for you sympathy but like I said above it's really not the theft which bugs me but the way the AI protects those doing unjust. It's exactly what you've said security rating, seriously if you would leave this notorious unlocked bike from the first post where else would you leave it if not near a police station?! Shouldn't that be the safest place around?
In game terms this may be normal but this is the first time that I've heard that stuff is safer with crooks than with the police, somewhat contradictory unlesss Concord ofcourse is a part of police state which batters people to stay inline but close a blind eye on every economical crime there is. That's really sad.
Oh and btw, my friends weren't online, I'm a trialplayer like you so only have like five buddies but even if they had been there, he still could have looted the can without anyone being able to do anything about it. As I said there is nothing one can do and that is wrong, if you allow active theft in gameplay you must allow some active coutnermeasures. Not only are cans passive but decent cans cost like 300k, lot of money for a noob coming outta the bronx part of space.
Ok let me touch on this so your not discouraged.
Concord, the galactic guards, you might call them, does NOT patrol in asteroid belts. When you are mining in an asteroid belt, your on your own. That is the risk miners take when they wish to extract, refine and sell their lucrative minerals. Concord only patrols areas around Stargates and Stations within 0.1+ Security Status. (Sometimes they are not present in 0.1 Systems)
In your situation there are methods to combat ore theives including but not limited to, secure containers (cargo containers you can place a password on), a buddy to guard the asteroid belt your mining in from pirates or thieves etc etc.
If you need any help in the future, let me know.
- Malkavian
"When you find youself sinking into Madness, dive" - Malkavian Proverb
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ok ok..I see that my "real life" example is a little lame
I think that all jettisoned cargo is reguarded as that, and now you know and wont do the same mistake twice. When you jettison ore into space, you are no longer the owner of that ore. At least not in the eyes of the Police.
I do feel your pain but the fact is that this game is fueled by thives and backstabbing pirates and other shady characters, and corps. An oretheif is a pretty low thing to be and they are hated and hunted down, when possible but the thing you must remember is that If the police were perfect and all injustices were stamped down by NPCs, It would be a pretty booring and much more limited game.
As much as it might seem hard to understand, It is tensions like this that really make the game interesting.
Ore thieves are a part of life in EVE I'm afraid. If you visit any fansite you will see hundreds of posts dedicated to the fact they are so well hated. I have seen one of them create his own website - he calls himself and "Ore Removal Technician" (his webby is quite funny actually, especially the guest-book
). It still doesn't hide the fact he is basically a thief, but it is as much a viable trade as any other in the EVE universe.
A fwe people have mentioned secure containers which is an option, but there is another way around it. Not 100% foolproof but it's FREE and that's by using bookmarks
. They speed up your travel time both to and from a station, thus allowing you to spend more time mining, and that means more isk/hour. The principle behind them is that when u warp to something u land 15km away from it, so to land on top of it u need to mark a spot 15km further away... If a tief comes to your belt in a slow-ass industrial, then you should be able to warp to station, change ship, warp back to belt and collect your ore before he's even got near it
If you are going to use bookmarks, then you need to plan ahead a bit. When I pick a system to mine in, I try to find a planet that has at least 3 asteroid belts around it and at least about 3au from the station so that all belts surrounding it are all in the same direction. Hop in your fastest ship and have 1 item in your cargo hold to use as the marker.
Fly to the belt you want, and zoom right out so your ship is just a speck - you should now a great view of the whole belt so you can see which is the best place to mine with the most roids around you. Pick a small roid right in the centre of this clump and fly towards it. When you get there, stop the ship and activate the scanner down the bottom (looks like a radar). Go to the 'range' tab and put in the max range of your mining lasers - about 10km i think for miner 1's. This will show you everything that is now in range of your lasers. Jettison the item you have in cargo so u have a nice marker, and now fly exactly AWAY from the station. Stop at 15km and look back towards your jettisoned can - a perfect bookmark will be created if the can is directly in line with your ship and the station. Now open People&Places and create a bookmark with the button down the bottom (name it sensibly so u know what it is eg: "Yulai - Belt 7-1 / point 1". Go collect your item again and fly back to the station. This time you do the same again but fly 5km past the station so that it's in line with the belt you've just come from. Make another bookmark and name it "Yulai - Belt 7 to station".
Now test the bookmark. Right click on the 1st BM and warp to within 15km - you should be within 100m of where u dumped the old can
Now test the station one - right click it and do the same. You should land righ on top of it - just right click station and dock. Rinse and repeat for all the mining spots near that planet. I tend to pick about 3 spots or so in each belt. The station BM should work for all of them near it.
Note: Ideal bookmarks are created at different distances. For a roid be 15km away, for a stargate be 8-10 away, and for a station be 5km away. Also note that they only work from the direction you came from.
Even if this doesn't stop some thief stealing your ore on occasion, at least it will speed up your travel and earning potential
"Feel free to hate me, but hate me for the right reasons."
"Your still ignorant if you believe the first thing you see when the blindfold is removed."
"Be smart enough to know I'm smarter than you."
Cool Dien - now u know how to use it, then make sure u abuse it
Bookmarks can be used for mining aswell as travelling from A to B as fast as possible. Just remember to make the journey back aswell as the journey there
Also use the "create folder" option so that u can group them together and keep it tidy. My P&P scrolls off the page and that's with all of my bookmarks in their own folders.
I have 2 naming conventions so far so I know what's what - 1) "Fast Warp - XXX to YYY" and 2) "Mining - XXX"
That way I know folder to open to use the bookmarks that are in there, but whatever works for you
If you need help creating BM's then message me in game - it is an art form, but it pays off in the end
Jippy
BOMB
Bookmarks can be your saviour against Blockades and unexpected emergencies where you need to move quickly. I definately would advise using them.
- Malkavian
"When you find youself sinking into Madness, dive" - Malkavian Proverb
- MMORPG.COM Staff -
Forum Stalker
Malkavian@mmorpg.com
"When you find yourself sinking into Madness, dive"
"Feel free to hate me, but hate me for the right reasons."
"Your still ignorant if you believe the first thing you see when the blindfold is removed."
"Be smart enough to know I'm smarter than you."
hehe the bookmarks saved my ass a couple of times. its great to have in wars!
And i also used it to get pass gatecampers... My friend had a Crow interceptor and he went trough a gate and there were about 5 scorpions standing there
one of them locked him in 1 sec just because the other scorps were boosting the guy who locked him...
Some options for mining:
1) mine in groups so there is someone to guard your can.
2) use a secure can
3) last choice mine with your Indy. This is not the fastest way but there is no can for someone to steal
from. It is also a good way to mine when you have RL things to do
Argean...... Caldri
Rebel Mining Guild
Eve-Online
Eve-Online
The allegory he used you did not understand so let me explain.
The cops didn't know he stole your stuff and you can't prove he did.
Since the cops believe the guy not to be a thief, you attacking an "innocent" person makes you a criminal.
I know it stinks but you just have to be careful when you mine. I personally never left ore in containers unless there was nobody around and/or my partner in the indy was next to me.
Actually I did understand why the police reacted the way they did. Think you might have quote my wrong reply because I wrote that on WarCriminals post and Deaht'sHand made the other one while I was writing that. For me WarCriminal's reply sounded as though I had overreacted, thankfully he straightened it out and I'm glad he did because I see it the same way as him. Theft, piracy and all the other possibilities are good for a game. They make it exciting and worthwile but if one does have these options one must also be able to counter theses situations with the appropiate means. And personally I don't see any fun in letting the police (even if they would) or locked containers deal with, I wanna take care of it myself as do most I'm sure.
Keep in mind it's not the theft I'm angry with but the limited amount of countermeasures which upset me. Maybe this will soon belong to the past though because someone told me that Shiva might add a feature were a person looting a container who is not in your gang, corp or your buddy list will be marked as a thief and can be attacked at will without Concord intervening. That would be grand because that's exactly what I'm asking for. Go ahead steal but be prepared that someone might blow your brains out for doing so.
As for the Malkavian, I really don't mind taking care of myself in those belts just give me the possibilty. Because on one hand the police does not registrate an obvious theft taking place at the troids but on the other react immediately to any fire occuring and take care of the so called "aggressor" and believe me they wasted no time in doing so. As for the buddy thing, we're a bunch of noobs so we don't have BS and the like and that is afaik the only ship capable of dealing with an orethief and incoming Concord. Yesterday for isntance the three of us were at it again, suddenly a freighter popped outta nowhere and looted our can (was only 1t of scor so not that bad) but although our mining ships were armed we were just forced to watch because of bloody Concord. Imho that's in no doubt a game flaw which needs to be addressed by CCP and hopefully they will.
Anyway, thanks for the help and all the replies. I'll try that with the bookmarks, it might not save my ore but docking the freighter faster sounds good to me.